Probably 7 or 8 minutes. I will try to cut it off by 2:45. Madam President, as chairman of the subcommittee which reviewed this proposal and included this proposal on the Endangered Species Act, I want to spend a couple minutes to educate…
Probably 7 or 8 minutes. I will try to cut it off by 2:45.
Madam President, as chairman of the subcommittee which reviewed this proposal and included this proposal on the Endangered Species Act, I want to spend a couple minutes to educate our colleagues on why it is important to defeat this amendment that has been proposed.
First of all, we held two hearings--Senator Akaka and I did--and we worked beautifully together. Senator Akaka is a wonderful person to work with. Our staffs worked really well together. On several of the proposals the administration had put up on the environment, we held hearings. We brought in experts from both sides. Everybody was represented. We had very fair hearings. I think everybody who was in attendance would agree the hearings were fair and balanced.
Out of those hearings came a couple of findings: One is that over the last 20 years the military has done a fabulous job with its ranges in protecting habitat as well as endangered or threatened species. I think there is no disputing that.
In the past, I think there certainly were some mistakes that were made by the military. But in the last 20 years or so we have done a really good job with our armed services protecting the habitat and the species on these various ranges.
What has happened now is we are in a situation where the courts, instead of allowing what has happened with some of these what are called Integrated Natural Resource Management Plans, which are in place and have done a great job protecting the species and the habitat--what the courts are threatening to do, and it looks as if it is going to happen, is those will no longer be able to be used. We will have to go with much stricter definitions, much more costly ways of doing business, and a lot of the ranges will be shut down.
I am the chairman of the Readiness Subcommittee. We are in charge to make sure our armed services are ready when they are called upon to defend the United States of America.
I have a letter I would like to have printed in the Record. I ask unanimous consent that be the order.
This letter pretty much sums up what we try do in this bill. We
are balancing environmental protections with military readiness. Sometimes these are competing concerns.
We did not overreach in this bill. We struck a balance. We struck a very delicate balance, but we think we have struck a balance.
If anybody has any questions, they just have to go visit our military ranges in Southern California, in the Carolinas. Wherever you go across the country, visit our ranges and you will see some of the most pristine areas you can find, some of the best protected habitat you can find, and these endangered and threatened species are flourishing.
It is not a question of this bill rolling back environmental protections. We do not want the courts putting such limits on the military that they cannot go forward in this balance in the future, where we protect species and habitat and we ensure military readiness for our armed services.
A couple of specific problems with this amendment: The INRMP sites and the Endangered Species Act are complementary statutory frameworks that together ensure protection of endangered and threatened species. The Lautenberg amendment introduces an unnecessary and complicated requirement, and we believe--the Department of Defense and the Department of the Interior believe--it will lead to more lawsuits, not less. We are trying to get away from the lawsuits and make sure we are spending the money instead of fighting legal battles in protecting the species and making sure we are ready for what our armed services are called to do.
I ask our colleagues to seriously take a look at this. We just saw the results of great readiness in Iraq. The arguments were made: We are ready; there is not going to be a problem.
We were ready because our ranges were able to be used. If we roll back the ability to use our ranges, we will not be ready. We will not have the kind of military readiness we need in future conflicts. That is why it is so important that we do as the language in the bill suggests, protect the balance between environmental protection and military readiness.
I reserve the remainder of my time.
In response to the EPA administrator's quotes we have before us today, I spoke to the administrator. We had testimony from the EPA following this to try to clear up any kind of confusion. As I mentioned, we have not had problems with readiness up to this point because the Integrated Natural Resource Management Plans have been working well as a balance, making sure habitat and species are protected, but also where readiness could go forward and be maintained at a high level. What the military is concerned about is the court decisions that look like they are going to go against the military to where they will not be able to use the ranges in an effective manner. The statement that was made by Administrator Whitman, 5 years from now, whoever the EPA administrator would be at that time, would not be able to be made.
People are very concerned that readiness will be severely affected if the court decisions are allowed to go forward. This bill language says to the courts, balancing environmental concerns with military readiness is working. Let's keep with what is working instead of putting huge requirements on to the military where they will not be able to use the ranges.
I reserve the remainder of my time.
Madam President, I suggest the absence of a quorum.
Madam President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Madam President, have the yeas and nays been ordered on the amendment?
I ask for the yeas and nays.
Madam President, I applaud the senior Senator from Arizona for offering this second-degree amendment in the nature of a substitute. To characterize this amendment and this whole debate, we are getting down to where this is truly a referendum on the people who supported us in the recent war. Our closest allies--people we are going to continue to go forward with in a very uncertain world--are they people we are going to continue to work closely with when it comes to times of conflict?
The waiver is only for those six countries that worked with us very closely in the recent Iraq conflict. We are probably limiting it down too far, but we are doing that to try to at least say to the people who want the underlying Dayton amendment that we are going to at least limit it to those six countries that worked with us most closely in the last conflict.
Right now, we sell to them and they sell to us. We sell to them in much greater numbers than they sell to us. Normally, when we are talking trade around this body, most countries are selling more to us than we are to them. Yet we are still trying to lower tariffs on a lot of those countries to try to increase more trade back and forth. But in this case, we dominate the defense industry in the world.
This amendment could threaten the domination we have of the defense industry in the world. This amendment would say to our allies we want to sell you our products, but we are not willing to buy your products. This, in effect, sets up a trade war with our closest allies. Do we want to do that? No one wins in a trade war. Everybody loses. This would send a very poor message at exactly the wrong time to set up a trade war.
Our closest allies worked with us, as we saw, in Iraq. They were working so well together in training, with our equipment, so that when we go into a conflict, our communications devices could talk to each other. If we set up this kind of a trade war, we can threaten that type of integration in our training.
I fully support this amendment the Senator from Arizona has proposed today. I think the underlying amendment is faulty, and we need to have this second-degree amendment in the nature of a substitute to make sure we do not go down the wrong path.
I want to inform the rest of the Senators what we are trying to do time-wise, as far as the schedule is concerned. We are trying to work out a unanimous consent agreement now to have a vote, hopefully somewhere around 6 o'clock, if that is possible tonight, on the underlying amendment, and then possibly on the second-degree amendment, and possibly after that have a side-by-side vote on the Dayton amendment. We don't know whether or not that is possible. We are trying to work that out and to alert people of the potential schedule for tonight. There is no agreement worked out yet.
With that, Madam President, I suggest the absence of a quorum.