Madam President, I wanted to say that as the overnight proceeded, there are a number of people who want to come down and speak on our side, so I wish to ask that on our amendment we have at least an hour and a half, perhaps two. I hope not…
Madam President, I wanted to say that as the overnight proceeded, there are a number of people who want to come down and speak on our side, so I wish to ask that on our amendment we have at least an hour and a half, perhaps two. I hope not to use it, but I think this is going to be a significant debate.
Madam President, I suggest the absence of a quorum.
Madam President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Madam President, I have consulted with the chairman of the Armed Services Committee, Senator Levin, and the ranking member, Senator McCain, and they have urged me to go forward and call up my amendment on the alternate engine and begin debating it to expedite matters while we are awaiting Senator Bayh to come over. I call it up at this time.
Madam President, I ask unanimous consent that reading of the amendment be dispensed with.
This amendment I am introducing with Senator McCain as my lead cosponsor, and with a strong bipartisan group of cosponsors, including Senator Reed of Rhode Island, and Senators Snowe, Schumer, Inhofe, Dodd, Hutchison, Collins, Kyl, and Cornyn. I am very grateful for that support.
To state it briefly, and then to go into some detail, this amendment would remove funding from this bill that was added by way of amendment in the Armed Services Committee for $439 million to build a second engine for the Joint Strike Fighter plane.
I will argue, on behalf of the amendment I have introduced with Senator McCain and others, that it is a waste of $439 million to build for a plane a second engine, which we don't need. In fact, estimates are that continuing acquisition of this second engine will cost over $6 billion of taxpayer money that we don't need to spend because there has been a competition for the engine to be used in the Joint Strike Fighter, which is now the heart and soul of America's hopes for the future when it
comes to tactical aviation--particularly after the Senate terminated the F-22 program the other day.
So there was a competition to build the engine for the Joint Strike Fighter. General Electric, in its proposal, lost that competition. Pratt & Whitney won that competition.
Now, by way of legislation, the proponents of the second engine for this plane are trying to achieve, by legislation, what they could not achieve by competition. It is not only that it is an unnecessary expenditure of $439 million in the coming year, and more than $6 billion, for a second engine that we don't need for that plane, but it has consequences. It is not just that we are spending taxpayer money, but I will go into this in some detail in a moment.
Regarding putting that money to use on that second engine, a general from the Air Force overseeing this Joint Strike Fighter program told our committee it would delay the Joint Strike Fighter, which our services are desperately waiting for. They need this tactical fighter. So it would delay the program and, in fact, this Air Force general testified to our committee that putting money into the bill for the second engine, and continuing to fund it, would result, over the next 5 years, in a reduced capacity to build Joint Strike Fighters by 53 planes.
So to spend the money to build a second engine for a plane, when we don't need a second engine--because the first one won the competition and is performing very well--we are going to reduce the buy of this tactical fighter that our military needs by 53 planes over the next 5 years.
How do my friends who support the second engine pay for it? Well, in the Armed Services Committee bill, which is before us, which Senator McCain, I, and others are trying to remove, they defund the acquisition of helicopters, which are desperately needed by our marines, particularly those fighting in Afghanistan.
There will be an alternative proposal made this morning in the amendment Senator Bayh will introduce, I presume, because there has been so much protest to defunding this acquisition of helicopters that the marines need in battle in Afghanistan, in order to pay for a second engine, which is unnecessary, for the Joint Strike Fighter. Instead, the amendment will defund the acquisition of C-130s, which are specially fitted for our special operations forces. Again, they are carrying out extremely dangerous and critical missions in Afghanistan, Iraq, and other places, where they are courageously taking on particularly the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11.
That is the essence of the argument. This second engine is a program President Obama has described as ``an unnecessary defense program that does nothing to keep us safe, but rather prevents us from spending money on what does keep us safe.''
That warning from President Obama about the consequences of funding the second engine for the Joint Strike Fighter is realized already in the part of the bill Senator McCain and I and others are trying to withdraw and in the amendment my friend from Indiana will introduce because it takes money from the Marines and the Air Force special operations community in areas they and we desperately need.
I wish to add that, this morning, I was grateful and honored to receive a letter from Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, in which the Secretary of Defense strongly and clearly expresses his opposition to the alternate engine, the second engine, an unnecessary engine--the $6 billion unnecessary engine for the Joint Strike Fighter--and his support for the amendment that Senator McCain and I and others have introduced.
I ask unanimous consent that the letter from Secretary Gates be printed in the Record.
I will read from the letter. It is three paragraphs:
The Department of Defense supports striking from
legislation any provision that would require the development
or procurement of an alternate propulsion system for the F-35
Joint Strike Fighter.
The current engine is performing well with more than 11,000
test hours. In addition, the risks associated with a single
engine provider are manageable as evidenced by the
performance of the F-22 and F/A-18/F, both Air Force and Navy
programs supplied by a single engine provider. The Air Force
currently has several fleets that operate on a single engine
source.
I draw back from the letter. What is unusual is to have a second engine. Logically, if we want to buy a car, it would be nice to have a second engine in the garage but would we pay the extra money for it if we had a perfectly good engine in the car? Back to the letter:
Thus, further expenditures on a second engine are
unnecessary and will likely impede the progress of the
overall F-35 program.
It is my belief that the JSF program presented in the
President's budget request is in the best interests of
national security. If a final bill is presented to the
President containing provisions that would seriously disrupt
the F-35 program, the President's senior advisors will
recommend that the President veto the bill.
I intend to show in my argument this morning that, in fact, this Armed Services Committee bill--if the amendment Senator McCain and I are proposing is not adopted--will seriously disrupt the F-35 program, the Joint Strike Fighter program and, therefore, will be occasion for the President's advisers to recommend he veto this entire and critically necessary bill.
I thank Secretary Gates for expressing support for the amendment Senator McCain and I and others--Senator Schumer, Senator Dodd, Senator Kyl--have offered to strip this unnecessary expenditure of money from the bill.
Our amendment, as I have said, would restore funding that was taken from the U.S. Marine Corps helicopter, the Huey, when the committee voted to fund the alternate engine. The vote to cut 10 Marine Corps helicopters comes at a time the Marines are conducting a major offensive in the mountains of Afghanistan where the high altitudes and hot weather require the best capabilities Congress can provide them, including these Hueys.
In fact, in recent statements from the Joint Staff and Marine Corps leadership, it is clear how urgently the Marines need the enhanced capabilities of the UH-1 Huey on the battlefield. Speaking before the Armed Services Committee of the Senate on Thursday, July 9, the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, General Cartwright, said to the members of the committee:
Those helicopters are, in fact, critical.
He continued:
The helicopter for the Marines is one of their most lethal
weapons. They are the most effective in the battlefield,
particularly in the counterinsurgency arena.
They are effective in built-up urban areas and in compounds because they can be discreet, so the value of those helicopters is significant.
The day after General Cartwright appeared, I received a letter from the Commandant of the Marine Corps, GEN James Conway.
Madam President, I ask unanimous consent to have printed in the Record the letter from General Conway.
Madam President, in his letter, General Conway writes:
Procurement of less than the optimum ramp up of 28 H-1s in
fiscal year 2010 will lead to continued reliance on aging
helicopters that should have been retired from the inventory
years ago. As we focus on operations in Afghanistan,
sustaining the introduction of the H-1 is vital for our
future success.
He continues:
Because of the severe operational limitations of the Corps'
legacy helicopters, the Marines are transitioning toward the
significantly improved capabilities of the UH-1Y.
General Conway points out that the Corps has already sent three UH-1Y to Afghanistan and will deploy its full squadron of them this November. This is a plane the Marines desperately need in combat today.
I also want to read from a letter I received from Major General Bockel, retired, Army Reserve, now acting director of the Reserve Officers Association. General Bockel says in his letter to me:
The Reserve Officers Association, representing 65,000
Reserve Component members, supports the Lieberman-McCain
Alternate Engine Amendment. This amendment restores critical
funding to procure helicopters that the United States Marine
Corps urgently needs in Afghanistan.
I suspect the Reserve Officers Association will no more support an effort to ask our special operations forces, as the second-degree or side-by-side amendment Senator Bayh will offer, to pay the bill for an unnecessary second engine than he was to see our Marines foot the bill.
I ask unanimous consent to have printed in the Record Major General Bockel's letter.
Madam President, let me talk now about what this amendment would do. It would essentially remove the funding for the second engine, but it does it in a way that I think is thoughtful. It requires that there be no obligation of any funds on the development of a second engine for the Joint Strike Fighter unless and until the Secretary of Defense certifies to Congress that the development and procurement of such an engine will reduce the total life-cycle costs of the program, improve the operational readiness of the F-35 fleet, and avoid either disrupting the Joint Strike Fighter Program or resulting in procurement of fewer Joint Strike Fighter aircraft during the life cycle of the program.
Why do we propose these conditions? Because they are the benefits the proponents of the second engine claim it will deliver. So we ask that the second engine be judged on its alleged merits. And I hope my colleagues will agree that this is a fair way to go at this.
I have spoken already at the outset about the fact that there was a competition for the engine for the Joint Strike Fighter that took place in 1996. Ultimately, one engine won the competition while the other lost. Understandably, but not acceptably, the makers of the engine that lost have come back to achieve by legislation--or attempt to--what they could not achieve by competition.
The proponents of the second engine have also claimed that it would lower costs on the Joint Strike Fighter Program overall. I have cited numbers that come from the Pentagon and elsewhere arguing on the other hand that this program will cost over $6 billion of taxpayer money without any showing, really, that it will save money. Developing a second engine, quite logically and following common sense, would require the Department of Defense to maintain two logistics operations to support it--tails, as it is called in the military, two tails, two sets of training manuals, two sets of tooling component improvement parts. These additional and unnecessary expenses would raise operations and sustainment costs for the Joint Strike Fighter throughout the life cycle of the program.
I want to get to the impact funding a second engine--an unnecessary engine, a costly engine--would have on the Joint Strike Fighter Program.
On June 9, the Armed Services Committee Subcommittee on Air and Land, which I have the honor of chairing, heard testimony from LTG Mark Shackelford, Military Deputy Officer to the Secretary of the Air Force for Acquisition. He is in charge of acquisition. I asked General Shackelford whether development of a second engine would disrupt the Joint Strike Fighter Program. His explanation is detailed but important to hear. It has a very strong message:
The fiscal year 2010 production quantity for the joint
strike fighter is 30 aircraft, split between three variants.
That means with three different services.
If forced to pay for the alternate engine, we would have to
reduce that to two to four, depending on which of the
variants. That has a negative effect on the unit cost of the
remaining aircraft if you are buying fewer. It also ripples
into next year's quantities, and then as we take that 2010
increment of dollars and extend that out through the future
year defense program--
Which is the 5-year so-called fit up that the Pentagon does planning on--
there are equal decrements in terms of the numbers of
aircraft that we can buy with the remaining dollars.
After hearing that--decrements, decreases, reduction in the number of aircraft we can buy--I asked General Shackelford how many fewer Joint Strike Fighters would be purchased over that 5-year period if we went ahead with the second engine. He responded:
Over the 5-year period, it would be 53.
I cannot emphasize that enough--53 fewer aircraft that we otherwise would have purchased for the Air Force, Navy, and Marine Corps that are desperately in need of them over the next 5 years; 53 fewer planes because we are going to spend that money buying a second engine we do not need. That really would be a major disruption to the Joint Strike Fighter Program. But it is avoidable, and it is avoidable by adopting the amendment Senator McCain and I, Senator Schumer, Senator Dodd, Senator Kyl, Senator Hutchison, Senator Collins, and Senator Snowe--a very broad bipartisan group--have offered.
I close this opening statement in support of our amendment and in opposition to the amendment my friend from Indiana will offer with this quote from President Obama when he sent the defense budget to us on May 15. Here is the quote from the President:
We're going to save money by eliminating unnecessary
defense programs that do nothing to keep us safe but rather
prevent us from spending money on what does keep us safe. One
example is a $465 million program to build an alternate
engine for the joint strike fighter. The Defense Department
is already pleased with the engine it has. The engine it has
works. The Pentagon does not want and does not plan to use
the alternate version.
President Obama concludes:
That is why the Pentagon stopped requesting this funding 2
years ago.
That is why I respectfully ask my colleagues, in the interest of the taxpayers, in the interest of the Joint Strike Fighter Program, to protect funding for the Marines, for the Hueys, the special operations forces of the Air Force, for the C-130s, to protect the Navy, Air Force, and Marines, who are waiting for the Joint Strike Fighter. I ask you to vote against the amendment offered by my friend from Indiana and for the amendment I have the honor to offer.
I thank the Chair, and I yield the floor.
I wanted to speak very briefly because I note the presence on the floor of the Senator from Ohio. I want to speak simply to thank Senator McCain for his very strong and thoughtful statement. I am honored that he is the cosponsor of the amendment.
Senator McCain has enormous credibility in two areas that have come together in this amendment. The first is his support of the men and women of our military. The second is his opposition to wasteful spending of taxpayer dollars. And the two come together here.
Of course, as he has argued so compellingly, there are a lot of times when the wasteful spending of taxpayer dollars for military acquisitions is not only harmful in itself because it is wasteful, but it takes money away from things we need more.
That is the case here. The money that will be spent, $5, $6, $8 billion over the next 6 years by various estimates, will result in 50 to 80 fewer Joint Strike Fighters produced in that time. The Navy, Air Force, and Marines are waiting with anxiety for these tactical fighters.
In addition to that, the folks who want to fund this second engine have to find the money somewhere. They find it not only by delays in the Joint Strike Fighter Program, but by either, as the amendments today give the alternative--the first one was to take it from the Marine Corps for helicopters that are needed in Afghanistan.
The one that Senator Bayh has before us will take the money from the Air Force special operations community for C-130s that they need for Iraq, Afghanistan, and throughout the world. It is not worth it.
I thank Senator McCain for his strong statement and for his cosponsorship.
I yield the floor.
Madam President, I yield myself such time as I need from the time allotted.
Let me respond to a few points made in this debate.
First, as was clear, the original place that proponents of this second engine, which I believe is an unnecessary engine or unnecessary expenditure of taxpayer money, the place from which they would take the money originally for the Huey helicopters for the marines, I think there was a lot of upset about that. So the choice that Senator Bayh has put before us today would cut the HC-130 and MC-130 aircraft which would seriously impact both the Air Force's air combat command and the special operations command. This is a late-breaking development this morning, the change of source of the funding, but we asked for a response from the office of the Secretary of Defense and it was this, that this ``take'' from these two variants of the C-130s that the Air Force special operations command is using in Afghanistan, Iraq, and elsewhere, wherever they are needed in the world, the Secretary of Defense says this would slow down the rate at which the aircraft would be delivered.
The argument Senator Bayh made is that in the supplemental we adopted earlier, three additional MC-130s and four HC-130s were included, seven planes. But the Air Force says to us this morning: Based on the JROC validation requirements--that is the joint operating committee that determines acquisition--the Air Force has validated requirements for 37 MC-130s and 78 HC-130s.
The Air Force, including the Air Force special operations command and air combat command, is grateful for the seven the supplemental gave them, but they need many more. They need 115 total, and so far we have given them 7. Removing the nine planes that were in the President's budget for the Air Force to fund the unnecessary second engine is not a costless move. It would do damage to the Air Force and its program.
I know Senator Reed is here and wants to speak on the amendment before us.
I yield the floor.
Madam President, I thank my friend from Rhode Island, Senator Reed, for taking the time to come over to the Chamber. I know the schedule changed. We had to adjust things. His presence and the strength of his statement--he is a senior member of the Armed Services Committee--and his support mean a lot to this cause.
Madam President, I yield to the Senator from Georgia, Mr. Chambliss, such time as he requires.
Madam President, I wish to respond to a few of the statements that have been made by the proponents of the second engine which I feel very strongly is a costly waste of taxpayer money and is unnecessary.
The argument has been made: why stop competition? I can't say it often enough that there has been competition. There was a competition in the 1990s between these two great engine manufacturers: Pratt & Whitney and General Electric. Pratt & Whitney won the competition fair and square. They did it, as Senator Chambliss said, with an engine that has now had an enormous amount of experience. The Air Force has had experience with it in the F-22, and it has worked extraordinarily well.
Secretary Gates, in his letter to us today, says the current engine is performing well with more than 11,000 test hours. So there has been a competition. General Electric, which manufactures the second engine which lost the competition, is trying, in my opinion--I love this company. I respect them. They are headquartered in Connecticut, but they are trying to achieve through legislation what they could not achieve through competition, and it is costly.
It is costly. It delays the Joint Strike Fighter Program. Earlier this week, we terminated the F-22 technical air fighter program. That means we are all in the Joint Strike Fighter Program. This is our single hope and the specific program to take us to the future for American tactical air war combat.
This second engine--the money for it--according to testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee will cost the Air Force between 50 and 83 fewer Joint Strike Fighters for the Air Force, Army, and Navy over the next 5 years. That is a lot to pay for.
There has been competition and it is over. This engine that has been selected is a good one, and it will continue to perform well and not delay the program.
I want to say a few other things about what has been said. There has been some citing of a GAO report issued in May of this year that suggested that, in the long term, a second engine might result in savings. I think it is important to say that the opinion of the GAO is not documented in their report on that matter, and it is not shared by other authorities who have done independent analyses.
The Institute for Defense Analyses says flat out that GAO underestimated the required government investment to develop an alternative engine by nearly $4 billion. One of the supporters of the second engine earlier said that we have already spent over $2 billion on it, and there is only a need to spend another $1.5 billion or $1.8 billion. Of course, any dollar we spend on an engine that I believe we don't need should go to other programs in the Department of Defense. It is a waste of dollars.
In the GAO report itself, which is cited by proponents of the second engine, it is quite clear that they say an additional investment of $3.5 billion to $4.5 billion in development and production costs may be required for this program.
That means an additional $3.5 billion to $4.5 billion, in the coming years totaling over $6 billion--some say even more--for a second engine, which would be nice to have, like it would be nice to have a lot of things, but we cannot afford it.
The fact that we cannot afford it is demonstrated by the amendments introduced by the proponents of the second engine. We will have to cannibalize, or take from the Marine Huey helicopters and from the Air Force C-130s being used by the special operations and Air Force combat command in battle today.
Let me go to this GAO argument. My friend from Massachusetts cited an Institute of Defense Analyses statement offered in testimony before the House in March of this year. There is another line in that that makes a very powerful point on the question of savings from the second engine. To break even financially, according to the Institute of Defense Analyses--I am quoting from that:
To offset fully the estimated $8.8 billion investment to
establish the alternative JSF engine would require a savings
rate, during the production phase, of 40 percent on a net
present value basis.
That is a little complicated. Here is the key from the independent Institute of Defense Analyses:
Savings of this magnitude are implausible, considering the
11 to 18 percent savings realized in other competition.
So it is way beyond what we have seen before. I want to quote from testimony received in our committee, a very interesting exchange between Senator Begich, a member of our subcommittee, and the representative of the Navy and the Air Force. Senator Begich, in reference to the GAO report cited, indicated that the F-136, the second engine, had better efficiency and opportunity, ``but you seem to disagree with that,'' the Senator says to the witnesses, and I believe that the current Joint Strike Fighter engine is the course you are taking. Vice Admiral Architzel of the Navy says:
While we generally support competition, the cost of
continuing to develop a second engine versus being able to
use that in procurement dollars for aircraft or in the cost
also to maintain the 2 engines, the Navy supports the
Department of Defense in just having this one F-35 engine.
Lieutenant General Shackleford, from the Office of Acquisition of the Air Force, says a very important quote regarding the GAO report that has been cited by proponents of the second engine:
In this particular case, the analysis that the Office of
the Secretary of Defense did to look at the costs associated
with a second engine yielded a different result from what the
GAO reported, which basically says the costs associated with
development of a second engine would be something that we
would consider unaffordable in the current timeframe, while
we would be doing the development. That benefit down the
road, in terms of comparative costs, would be more of a wash
than the more optimistic version of what the GAO report said.
So when we look at balancing the risk of having one engine versus the costs of paying for the second--be it costs within the program, which would be taken out of production aircraft with a negative effect in terms of unit
costs, or even having to source these dollars someplace else within the Air Force--we don't consider the purchase of a second engine to be an affordable solution.
Again, competition has occurred. It is over. We have to really go forward with the Joint Strike Fighter Program, not delay it, or waste money on it or take money from other programs to fund this one.
I will introduce this for the Record. I ask unanimous consent to have printed in the Record two letters, one from Military Families United, and another from the Vets for Freedom.
This is from Bryan Wise, executive director of Military Families United:
. . . I am writing today in support of funding to the
FY2010 National Defense Authorization Act to procure
additional UH-1s and HC-130s.
. . . Providing the necessary funds for the procurement and
recapitalization of both the UH-1 and the HC-130 will afford
our Armed Forces the ability to successfully execute our
military engagements overseas.
. . . Military Families United aggressively supports this
effort to restore funding for the procurement and
recapitalization of these vital weapons systems. We must
never forget the sacrifices the brave men and women of our
Armed Forces make every day in the service of our Nation and
for the cause of freedom.
The second letter, from the Vets of Freedom, is signed by Pete Hegseth, a distinguished and decorated veteran, who is chairman of Vets for Freedom. He says:
Vets for Freedom has always fought for the success of the
mission and fielding the needs of war-fighters serving our
country in harm's way. Recently, we've seen attempts made in
Congress to strip funding from the Marine Corps H-1Y Huey
helicopter program and from the Special Operations Command's
C-130 fleet.
Both pieces of equipment play a key role in making our
troops more effective and lethal on the battlefield: by both
transporting Marines into the fight and allowing our Special
Operations Forces to take the fight to the Taliban and al-
Qaida around the country. Both of [these programs] are
mission critical assets for the fight we are in today and
tomorrow--and the Secretary of Defense and Commandant of the
U.S. Marine Corps agree.
I appreciate these letters. They speak volumes, and I hope they will lead my colleagues to oppose the Bayh amendment and support the amendment we have introduced.
I yield the floor.
Might I ask my friend from Oklahoma how much time he needs?
I yield to the Senator from Oklahoma up to 5 minutes of my time.
Madam President, first, I ask unanimous consent that the Senator from New Hampshire, Mrs. Shaheen, be added as a cosponsor to the amendment Senator McCain and I and others have offered.
Madam President, I thank my friend from New Hampshire for joining us on this amendment. We have a dispute about whether there was competition. I guess it depends on what you describe as competition.
There clearly was competition for the Joint Strike Fighter plane engine in the 1990s. In 1996, Pratt & Whitney and General Electric each submitted engine proposals to the three airframe manufacturers that were competing for the Joint Strike Fighter contract: Lockheed, Boeing, McDonnell Douglas. Two of the three selected the Pratt & Whitney engine, and it happened that those two airframe manufacturers were down-selected for the final competition. Ultimately, in 2001, Lockheed was selected to start the design and development with the Pratt & Whitney engine.
I believe there was a competition. General Electric lost. It has gone the other way on other occasions. And this is a legislative attempt to achieve by legislation what could not be achieved through competition.
Secondly, my dear friend Senator Levin, the chairman, and I may have an effectual disagreement on how much more going for the second engine will cost. He believes it will be $1.8 billion. I cited earlier in this debate statistics that show it will be between $4.5 and $5.5 billion. That is not the main point. Madam President, $1.8 billion is a lot more to spend on an engine I have submitted to my colleagues we do not need. Not only do we not need it, the Air Force testified before our committee that if we spend this money on a second engine, we are going to get, by General Shackelford's testimony to us, 53 fewer Joint Strike Fighters in the next 5 years. We will not be able to afford them. That is a serious consequence.
What about this engine that has been selected? The F-135 engine has flown over 11,000 test hours and delivered 12 flight test engines. The F-135 uses a core that has been delivered and is being used in the F- 22. It will have close to 1 million flight hours by the time this selected engine, the Pratt & Whitney F-135, enters operational service in 2012. That is quite a remarkable record and one that justifies what Secretary Gates said to us in a letter he sent to us this morning: ``The current engine is performing well with more than 11,000 test hours.'' I think the record is a clear one.
I, again, respectfully thank my friend from Indiana. Senator McCain said he has argued well. He is a dear friend. We would rather be on the same side on issues. We both feel strongly about this issue. Therefore, I respectfully urge my colleagues to vote against the Bayh amendment and for our amendment which would end funding for a second unnecessary engine.
I thank the Chair, and I yield the floor.
I ask my friend from Arizona if there is anything more he would like to say.
Madam President, I will say very briefly, to wind up, the Bayh amendment does remove the 130s from the Air Force. It is true they got money in the supplemental, but statements we got this morning from the Air Force and the Office of the Secretary of Defense, the 130s they got in the supplemental, which are critically needed, leave open-- in other words, they are nowhere near their requirements for that plane which is critically important to the Air Force and particularly to our special operations forces in Afghanistan, Iraq, and throughout the world in the war on terrorism.
I would just close by reading a statement from President Obama, when he introduced his defense budget on May 15.
We are going to save money by eliminating unnecessary
Defense programs that do nothing to keep us safe but rather
prevent us from spending money on what does keep us safe. One
example is a $465 million program to build an alternate
engine for the Joint Strike Fighter. The Defense Department
is already pleased with the engine it has. The engine it has
works. The Pentagon does not want and does not plan to use
the alternate version. That is why the Pentagon stopped
requesting this program funding 2 years ago.
And then from Secretary Gates, just today:
It is my belief the Joint Strike Fighter program presented
in the President's budget request is in the best interest of
national security. If a final bill is presented to the
President containing provisions that would seriously disrupt
the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program, the President's senior
advisers will recommend that the President veto the bill.
That is from Secretary Gates' letter.
So I submit to my colleagues, I believe we have shown today that the second engine funding will seriously disrupt the Joint Strike Fighter Program. Again, I respectfully ask my colleagues to oppose the amendment from our good friend from Indiana and support the amendment we have offered.
I thank the Chair, and if there is no one else who wants to speak, I yield back the remainder of my time.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent to call up amendment No. 1744.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that further reading of the amendment be dispensed with.
I thank the Chair, and I thank the chairman of the committee.
Mr. President, I rise to offer this amendment, along with the Senator from Alabama, Mr. Sessions, and a broad bipartisan group of cosponsors. This amendment concerns the deployment of missile defenses in Europe.
I am very pleased to say, as Chairman Levin suggested, that there has been a lot of work done on this issue by a lot of people, including Chairman Levin, Ranking Member McCain, their staff, and our staff. I think we have reached a very important agreement here which holds up some standards of what is most important to our national security regarding the deployment of missile defenses to Europe.
If I may, the administration, as we know, is now evaluating alternatives to the planned European deployment of a Ground-based Midcourse Defense, or GMD, system to Poland and the Czech Republic. In the context of that policy review, this amendment states that any alternative to the GMD deployment to Poland and the Czech Republic must be as effective and affordable as the current plan. We think this is a reasonable standard by which to judge any alternative and I am hopeful and grateful my colleagues seem to agree.
Let me now go forward to explain why Senator Sessions and I and others think it is so important to set a standard for the alternatives that are now under consideration, and why the growing Iranian threat requires us to deploy an effective missile defense in Europe.
Last year the United States reached a pair of groundbreaking agreements with two of our closest European allies on the deployment of elements of a Ground-based Midcourse Defense, GMD, system to protect Europe and the United States from Iran's growing ballistic missile threat.
When I say ``and the United States,'' they don't have the ability now, or the ballistic missile, to reach the United States, but they are clearly investing in a ballistic missile program whose range they hope will grow and grow to a point where they will be able to reach the United States.
Specifically, on July 8, 2008, the United States and the Czech Republic agreed on establishing an American ballistic missile defense radar site on Czech territory. Two months later, on August 20, the United States and the Government of Poland reached a similar agreement under which we would deploy 10 ground-based interceptors to Poland. Just less than a year after these agreements, at a June 16 hearing at our Senate Armed Services Committee, Deputy Secretary of Defense Bill Lynn told the members of the committee:
We think there are a number of ways to address [the
Iranian] threat and one of the options is to deploy the
missiles in Poland and the radar in the Czech Republic, and
we are certainly evaluating that option as well as other
possible options.
We heard other testimony before our committee, including from the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, General Cartwright, along the same lines, that though the agreements were entered into with Poland and the Czech Republic, the administration is evaluating other options.
To help place the other options that are under consideration into perspective, and to explain why Senator Sessions and I and the others who have joined us as cosponsors introduce this amendment today, I want to go to a Congressional Budget Office study that was released earlier this year, in February. It is titled ``Options for Deploying Missile Defenses in Europe.'' This study was requested by then-Congresswoman Ellen Tauscher, in her capacity as Chair of the House Armed Services Strategic Forces Subcommittee. It examined the potential cost and defense capability of the European ground-based defense system in Poland and the Czech Republic, as well as alternatives to it.
What are the alternatives? These include deployment of sea-based interceptors on Navy ships around Europe, or using mobile land-based interceptors in Europe. The study also considered the possible benefits of closer cooperation on missile defense with the Russian Federation.
The findings of this report clearly demonstrate that the Ground-based Midcourse Deployment in Poland and the Czech Republic is the most effective and affordable option that is before us today. I am particularly struck by the report's conclusion that the alternatives to the GMD system in Poland and the Czech Republic would significantly reduce America's ability to provide a layered defense for our American homeland against the eventual threat of intercontinental ballistic missiles launched by Iran or anyone else in that region against the United States of America.
I want to be clear about this and what it means. Whereas the GMD deployment to Poland and the Czech Republic would provide, according to the report, a so-called shoot-look-shoot capability for the defense of the entire continental United States, the alternatives that the Congressional Budget Office considered would leave most of our country without such a layered defense.
Let me explain. Shoot-look-shoot is an operational concept that is actually the cornerstone of our increasingly successful missile defense program. It is the idea that we should be able to shoot at an incoming missile, assess whether that shot was successful, and then shoot again. This shoot-look-shoot capability dramatically increases the effectiveness of our missile defense system.
You might say it is redundant. Most of our military systems are redundant because of what is on the line. I cannot think of a place where I would rather have redundancy than the situation we are dealing with, with an incoming ballistic missile, presumably containing a nuclear weapon, perhaps chemical or biological. I know people watching this debate may think this is far off and unrealistic, but these are the realities we do have to deal with in our world because we know a country such as Iran, whose leaders regularly lead tens of thousands of their citizens in shouting ``death to America'' is in fact investing in a growing intercontinental ballistic missile system.
What does shoot-look-shoot mean with regard to this amendment? If you have a GMD system in Europe and a missile that is fired from Iran, we have
a first opportunity to take a shot at that missile. We then obviously have a chance to look and see whether we hit it. If we did not, we have a second opportunity utilizing the ground-based missile defense system that we have now installed in California and Alaska. That is an important redundancy in the God-awful circumstance that a rogue nation, an anti-American nation, is actually firing missiles at the United States.
I want to draw the attention of my colleagues to a pair of maps that I think indicate the differences as CBO found them between the planned GMD system in Poland and the Czech Republic and the proposed land-based SM-3 block IIA system that I think is a favored alternative--a possible alternative--I don't mean it is selected, but one looked at with great interest by the Defense Department.
Incidentally, these maps were prepared by the Congressional Budget Office and included in the study I just mentioned, which I would commend to my colleagues to read in full.
On the first map here we can see the planned GMD system in Poland and the Czech Republic would provide a layered defense for the entire continental United States. In other words, this is the area that would be defended. Most of Europe, if a missile were fired from Iran, and all of the United States would be covered. That means the concept of shoot- look-and-shoot would be in effect a defense for our entire population.
The second map shows the capabilities of a prospective land-based SM- 3 IIA block system, which is quite different. You can see that this one, as the CBO estimated, only covers a portion of the United States. I note it does cover Connecticut, but there is a lot of the rest of the United States--even though there are those of us who love this small State--a lot of the rest of the United States we do not want to leave unprotected by this redundancy.
In fact, on a population basis, because there is a concentration of population, of course, on the east coast, almost 80 percent of the population would be left uncovered by this redundant defense. All States west of the Mississippi, for example, would not be defended by this system.
In terms of operational capability, it is also important to note that the components of the proposed GMD system for Europe are much farther along in their development and purchase closer to being proven to work than the proposed SM-3 Block IIA interceptor, which may not be available until close to 2020. So the consequences of pulling away from the Poland and Czech Republic system are serious in the near term.
As for the question of cost, the Congressional Budget Office in this study estimates that the two alternate systems would cost nearly the same to develop, deploy, and operate. In other words, if we opt for an alternative to ground missile defense, CBO will be telling us we will be paying the same amount of money but for a less capable defense and a dramatically less comprehensive coverage of the population and territory of the United States.
Another question under consideration, I know by the administration, is the possibility--and was with the last administration, too--the possibility of partnership between the United States and Russia through the joint use of two Russian radar stations, as well as the sharing of information and data. I support very much the exploration of this opportunity of cooperating with Russians on missile defense, but I believe we have to have a clear understanding of its potential benefits and limitations.
Let me begin with some of the benefits. Obviously, closer cooperation with Russia on missile defense could increase our early warning detection capability for missile launches from the Middle East, based on their radar. With this capability we could send a clear message to Iran that not just the United States but the world, including Russia, is opposed to its weapons of mass destruction and intercontinental or continental ballistic missile systems. So I support the objective of negotiating and discussing this with the Russians.
But I want to say there are also limitations that are in this proposal. The Russian radar stations that are most discussed as part of a joint United States-Russian ballistic missile system as a technical matter cannot be a substitute for a European-based GMD system. Although these radars would give us additional early warning capabilities, as I indicated, they would not provide any additional targeting capability which, of course, is a critical component to reducing threats. Radar helps to target, sends the message to the interceptors in Poland and to the other system, and that facilitates an accurate shoot-down.
As the CBO pointed out in its February report, the radars face south and any missiles facing south and any missiles targeted toward Europe and the United States would, according to the report, ``tend to fly through and out of the Russian radar's field of regard very early in their trajectories.'' Though this system would provide us with early warning, it is also very important, really critical, to have targeting capability.
The amendment Senator Sessions and I and the others have proposed would not in any way prohibit the possibility of cooperation, or even deter the possibility of cooperation with the Russian Federation-- certainly not with regard to sharing radar data, and I hope we can all agree we should not seek an agreement with Moscow that leaves the United States more vulnerable to the threat from Iran.
Very briefly, what about that threat? Some may ask, Why do we still need to be investing so much in missile defense? The answer, simply put, is because our most unpredictable and irresponsible adversaries, in particular rogue states such as Iran and North Korea, are investing very aggressively in ballistic missiles. That is why we need ballistic missile defense. The investments we make in missile defense will quite literally provide greater personal security to the coming generations of Americans, our children and their grandchildren and beyond. As LTG Mike Maples, then Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, testified before our Senate Armed Services Committee earlier this year:
The threat posed by ballistic missile delivery systems is
likely to increase over the next decade. Ballistic missile
defenses with advanced liquid or solid propellant propulsion
systems are becoming more mobile, survivable, reliable,
accurate, and possess greater range.
That is the end of the quote from the former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency.
In the last few months we have seen graphic reminders of the progress our enemies are making toward fielding intercontinental ballistic missiles. In February, Iran launched its first satellite into orbit using the same technologies that Tehran can draw upon to develop the capacity to build an intercontinental ballistic missile that could strike the continental United States.
In May, Iran carried out its first successful test flight of a two- stage solid fuel ballistic missile, a development that the White House Coordinator for Arms Control and WMD Terrorism, Gary Seymour, warned was ``a significant step forward in terms of Iran's capability to develop weapons.''
Iran's growing ballistic capabilities are made, of course, even more threatening when coupled with its nuclear weapons development program. Of course, we all hope the United States and the rest of the international community can persuade Iran, through diplomacy and economic sanctions, to abandon both its nuclear and ballistic ambitions and programs.
Missile defense is an important component of that effort on the premise that we may be able to convince Iran it is not worth spending those countless millions of dollars on perfecting these weapons if its leaders come to realize that we in the West are determined to stay one step ahead of them in neutralizing their strategic impact with a missile defense system.
As the Department of Defense now undertakes its review of the planned GMD deployment to Europe and possible alternatives, this amendment would express the Senate's opinion of what we expect our missile defenses in Europe to deliver, generally.
It would state that the United States expects those missile defenses to be the most capable and affordable and give a defense in the short term, not just to our allies in Europe but to our fellow citizens throughout the United States of America.
I yield the floor.
Mr. President, very briefly, I want to thank Senator Levin and Senator McCain for their very thoughtful statements in support of this amendment. I thank their staffs for the work that has been done with all of my staff, Senator Sessions, and others to reach this agreement. It is an important statement of policy about our national security in the years ahead. I appreciate all that has been done by everyone here in the spirit of unity.
I thank the Chair, and I yield the floor.
Mr. President, I call up our amendment No. 1650, as modified.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the reading of the amendment be dispensed with.
Mr. President, I thank Senator Graham for his overly generous words in my direction. It is always a pleasure to work with him on matters of this kind. Really more than anyone else in the Senate, he knows military law because he practices it in his capacity as a member of the JAG. I thank him for cosponsoring this amendment with me.
Also, I thank Chairman Levin, Senator McCain, and Senator Graham for the extraordinary work they have done in improving the military commission system that has been set up. It is the basis for the amendment that Senator Graham and I put in this evening.
The fact is that military commissions, by one name or another, have played a time-honored role in our country in bringing war criminals to justice. The use of military tribunals dates all the way back to the beginning of our country. Our first President, GEN George Washington, relied on them during the Revolutionary War for the trial of violations of the laws of war.
The United States has continued to utilize military commissions or tribunals for the trial of people accused of violations of the laws of war and related crimes throughout our history.
The fact is we are once more at war today against those who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. There is an existing authorization for the use of military force. Military commissions, in my opinion, and Senator Graham's, are, therefore, the appropriate forum for the trial of war criminals captured during this conflict, as they have been throughout our history. And all the more comfortable should we be in saying that after the amendments to the Military Commissions Act have been adopted as part of this National Defense Authorization Act.
I remind our colleagues, because it was done without a lot of debate, that the package of amendments to the Military Commissions Act that has been adopted as part of this legislation, offered by Senators McCain, Levin, and Graham, would ensure lawful, fair, and effective trials by providing a series of protections to the accused for the military commissions, including a prohibition on the use of statements obtained through cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment, access to exculpatory evidence, and meaningful appellate review of legal and factual findings.
As distinguished witnesses and authorities have testified at a hearing Chairman Levin led before the Armed Services Committee on this issue 2 weeks ago, according to these witnesses, including people who work as general counsel in the Defense Department, for instance, the military commission provisions in the bill before us not only meet but surpass by far the fundamental standards of fairness and due process required by our Supreme Court, the Geneva Conventions, and the rules of the International Criminal Court.
Given those robust procedural and substantive rights provided by the system of military commissions established in this bill, I must say that I have been surprised, troubled, and I would even go so far as to say astounded that officials of our administration have now made clear that they prefer prosecuting war criminals in Federal district courts here in the United States as opposed to before the military commissions we have established. That was testimony given before the Armed Services Committee in response to questions of the General Counsel of the Defense Department.
Just this week, an interim report was issued by a Department of Defense and Department of Justice task force on the legal questions associated with the detainees. In that report there is this sentence:
There is a presumption that, where feasible, referred cases
will be prosecuted in an Article III court, in keeping with
traditional principles of federal prosecution.
Article III courts, of course, are federal courts.
So it is the testimony of the General Counsel of the Defense Department, and now this interim report from the Department of Defense and the Department of Justice, that has led Senator Graham and me to offer this amendment, because we simply disagree, as we think most Americans and most Members of the Senate do, with the idea that there is a presumption in favor of trying prisoners of war before our Federal courts instead of before military commissions, as has been done throughout our history.
This realizes the worst fears of people that we would begin to criminalize the war on terrorism instead of treating it and its perpetrators as war and criminals of war. This change in direction departs from our history and, in some sense, diminishes the extraordinary work that has been done by Chairman Levin, Senator McCain, Senator Graham, and others to create and improve these military commissions. It may, in fact, cast unfounded doubt on the legitimacy of the convictions obtained by military commissions on the strength of the evidence used to secure convictions in those proceedings and the procedural protections accorded to defendants by the military commissions process.
Our amendment is very simple. It is a long sentence, and I read it, as follows:
It is the sense of Congress that the preferred forum for
the trial of alien unprivileged enemy belligerents subject to
this chapter for violations of the law of war and other
offenses made punishable by this chapter is trial by military
commission under this chapter.
So we adopt wording in the military commissions section of this legislation regarding violations of the law of war and other offenses made punishable by this chapter, and we say that it is our preference that people accused of such crimes of war be tried before the military commissions.
We have created a system of military commissions that I believe offers remarkable protections--perhaps the best ever offered to people in the status of alleged war criminals against our country or any country, against our citizens or the citizens of any country. And, I repeat, obviously we are at war, and therefore we should use these military commissions we have created and preference should be in their direction.
The fact is, where to bring charges against people accused of violating laws of war or, as we have said in the legislation, other offenses made punishable by this chapter is a decision made by the executive branch. It is not one we can control. But we can express an opinion. We can express an opinion to the executive branch, respectfully, that we think they have made a mistake in stating a presumption to try prisoners of war in Federal district courts. Such an approach would cast doubt, as I have said, on the use of military commissions but I think would also set an unfortunate, even dangerous, precedent for the trial of war criminals today or in future conflicts in Federal courts rather than our Nation's time-honored use of military commissions for the violation of the law of war.
I hope we can unite across party lines to adopt this expression of opinion on a most important question.
I thank the Chair, and I yield the floor.
Mr. President, I thank Chairman Levin for his statement. It is always a very thoughtful and mutually respectful process when you work with Senator Levin, even on matters of disagreement, and I appreciate the resolution.
I would just like to say in response to the comments of my friend from Rhode Island--and there is nothing here intended to in any way disparage the work of the Federal prosecutors, and I appreciate the record he cited of the prosecutions, but the point Senator Graham and I are trying to make, and I hope the whole Senate will, is that violations of the laws of war are inherently different. Regardless of the outcome--how many people are convicted or put in jail or not--those allegations of such crimes belong before military commissions, or tribunals as they have been called throughout our history, not in Federal criminal courts where other violations of our domestic criminal law are handled. Part of that is just an appropriate allocation of responsibility. Part of it is that I think it is important we not fall into a misunderstanding that we are not involved in war. It is a very different kind of war, but it is a war, and we know that from the casualties we suffered on 9/11 and people around the world have suffered before and since in a lot of other cities and countries. So we are making a point of an appropriate forum for the trial of cases, not based on outcome but based on where these allegations are best tried.
I thank the Chair.