Mr. President, one of the great privileges of being a Member of the Senate is to recommend to the President names of people who should be members of the Federal judiciary--that is either the Federal district court, circuit court of…
Mr. President, one of the great privileges of being a Member of the Senate is to recommend to the President names of people who should be members of the Federal judiciary--that is either the Federal district court, circuit court of appeals, but certainly not the U.S. Supreme Court because that is out of the purview of recommendations by a single Senator.
Since I have been in the Senate, I have been able to recommend to a Democratic President at least two. We are not a large State so we have the opportunity to only recommend two people to the Federal bench.
The first one I was able to recommend was a circuit court of appeals judge and the second was a district court judge. This decision was so important to me that I went out of my way to make sure whoever I recommended to President Clinton at the time would be someone the President would want to nominate to be confirmed as a member of the circuit court of appeals. In this case it was the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. Montana is included in the Ninth Circuit.
What did I do? First, I went out of my way to put together a group of Montanans--6, 7, 8, 10 Montanans--and I selected the best folks I could find in my home State to represent a cross-section, a broad array of interests and points of view. Some were lawyers; some were not lawyers.
I said to each one of them: I want you to suggest to me the very best three people in the State of Montana who should serve on the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. I do not care whether they are Republicans. I do not care whether they are Democrats, liberals, conservatives; I just want the best, the most solid people, the people who have deep common sense, have a tremendous sense of history in our country, the highest integrity. I just want the best.
The committee I appointed came back to me several weeks, maybe a month later with three names. I sat down with each of the three for an interview, and I spent about 3 hours with each of the three to try to determine for myself who was the best person that President Clinton could nominate from Montana to sit on the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.
It was a very difficult process. It was very difficult because the three the group suggested to me were all very good. I made a selection finally. It was Mr. Sid Thomas, who President Clinton appointed and who now sits on the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.
He has been a tremendous credit to not just the State of Montana and the Ninth Circuit, but the Nation. In fact, many members of the judiciary, including the U.S. Supreme Court, talked to me specifically about Judge Thomas and indicated to me they are very proud of him. He is a ``solid person,'' a very solid man, a solid judge.
The second instance was virtually the same. I put together another group. There was an opening in the Federal district court in Montana. I put together seven, eight, to nine people I thought would do a terrific job in coming up with the very best person to sit on the Federal district court in Montana.
I interviewed each of the three persons the group gave me. I had the same criteria for the committee: I want the best. I do not care if they have brown eyes or blue eyes. I do not care if there is any acid test. That is not relevant to me. I want the very best, most solid, thoughtful people with the highest integrity and a deep sense of the law and history of our State and our Nation.
I do not care whether they are Republicans, Democrats, liberals, conservatives--that does not mean anything to me. I just want the best.
They came up with three names. I interviewed the three people. I, again, had the excruciating choice to make because they were all very good. I made a selection finally, and I recommended to President Clinton a person who I think has done great credit to the U.S. Federal district court in Montana, Judge Don Malloy.
I can tell you, the bar in Montana thinks he is terrific. The plaintiffs bar, the defense bar--they all have the highest regard for him. Why? Because he is smart, he is hard working, and he does not play favorites. He is what a Federal district court judge should be.
Why do I say all that? I say that because we are now faced with whether or not the Senate should confirm to the DC Court of Appeals Miguel Estrada. Should we or should we not? Let me roll back history a bit.
Several years ago, I was on the Judiciary Committee. In fact, it was quite a few years ago. At that time, Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, not then a Justice, was nominated by the President to sit on the U.S. Supreme Court. With all deference to Justice O'Connor, that was the first time, at least in my memory, when a nominee essentially did not answer very many questions.
I asked her questions, other members of the committee asked her questions, and she essentially began this tradition of not answering the questions. Again, I have the highest regard for Justice O'Connor. I think she has been a great Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court. It bothered me as a member of the Judiciary Committee that a nominee was not answering questions. It just did not seem right.
We at that time decided, OK, she seems like a very good person. She was in the State senate in her home State of New Mexico, so let's vote to confirm her.
We are now faced with the situation where Mr. Estrada is not answering any questions whatsoever, and he is not providing other information to the committee. I am not now on the Judiciary Committee but I take this responsibility of whether or not the Senate should confirm a nominee to the circuit court of appeals, Federal district court, or the U.S. Supreme Court very seriously. I know all of us in this body do.
There are not very many decisions we can make that will be more important. There are not very many. Why is that? That is because these are lifetime appointments.
Mr. President, you run for reelection, I do, everybody in this body, every few years, every 6 years. Everybody in the other body runs for reelection every 2 years. Every Governor runs every 4 years, sometimes 2 years. Every President runs every 4 years, except those who cannot run because of the constitutional requirement. We face voters. We are held accountable. Voters have a chance to either reelect us or not. But boy, once someone is put in the U.S. Federal judiciary, an article III position, that is for life.
I believe that is the way it should be. Why? Because these are the people we want to be totally impartial to do what is right and not be swayed by temporary whims and vogues of the moment. We try not to as elected officers. It is our job to represent people in our State. If they want something, we should give that to people, given what we think makes sense and is right for our home States and right for the country.
Federal judges are held to a different standard. State judges are not lifetime appointments. I do not know any who are. Federal judges are appointed for life. That is a huge responsibility they have.
We have to make sure we get the right people. It is our responsibility. When voters elect us, they basically say: Senator, we do not know all the ins and outs of what goes on in Washington, DC, but we want you to do the right thing. Just do not do something nutty or crazy, but, basically, do the right thing.
Most people give us a lot of latitude. So long as it sounds right, fits right, and smells right, it really is all right.
It does not sound right, it does not fit right, it does not smell right, it does not seem right, for this body to confirm somebody who will not answer any questions, who will not give us relevant information, and who has no prior history so it is hard for us to know.
I will bet this: At that Justice Department and perhaps at the White House, they sat down with Mr. Estrada and asked him a lot of questions. I bet he gave them a lot of answers. I bet there is somebody in this operation who is supporting his nomination in the executive branch who knows a lot about Mr. Estrada, who had long conversations with him. If they did, which is entirely proper--in fact, it is imperative and an obligation they have to ask him questions, particularly before the President suggests a nominee for the DC Court of Appeals. If they do, so should we have the information in the Senate. We have an equal responsibility to know how he feels about certain issues.
I am not saying he should address how he feels about certain cases decided by the Supreme Court or cases decided by even the court of appeals. I am not asking for that because judges have to be impartial. I am saying we have a responsibility to know who this fellow is: What makes him tick? What does he really think about? What are his values? What does he stand for? Will he be impartial? What does he think about our Constitution? What does he think about the court as the third branch of Government? There are tons of questions one could come up with, and we have that responsibility.
Why do I say we have that responsibility? I have already said it is a lifetime appointment, but in addition the Constitution tells us we have that responsibility. The advice and consent provision is in the U.S. Constitution.
When our Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution, they debated the advice and consent clause. They did not know what it should provide. There are various interpretations, but they knew it was very serious. One interpretation, that is one view, that was advanced very seriously when our Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution, was this: That the Senate should send a selection of three, four, or five names to the President and then the President makes the decision. The Senate would give the names to the President and then the President would decide. It is kind of like what I did a little bit when I was interviewing people in Montana. I got a bunch of names of the best people, and I made a decision who I thought was the best person.
Why did our Founding Fathers really wrestle over this question over what the proper mechanism would be for the Senate to jointly decide with the President who should or should not be on the Federal judiciary? It is pretty simple. It is our third branch of Government. It is the third of the three branches of Government, and it is not right that one branch of Government should dictate who does or who does not sit on the U.S. Supreme Court. That is not right. Rather, it is a joint decision. It is a decision which, just as the President took very seriously, we have an obligation to take equally seriously.
It reminds me a little bit of a number of years ago when an earlier President, President Franklin Roosevelt, decided he did not agree with the Supreme Court decisions. What did he do? He came up with an idea to add more Justices to the U.S. Supreme Court. It is colloquially referred to as court packing by President Roosevelt.
The Senate stood up. It said: No, that is the wrong thing to do. I am very proud to say that the Senator who stood up was from Montana. It was Senator Burton Kendall Wheeler. He said: No, it is not the right thing to do.
Just as he stood up, I think we have an obligation in the Senate to stand up when it is the wrong thing to do; that is, to pass judgment on--to agree with the President's nominee where we have no information, where he will not answer questions, he will not tell us what he thinks. What is this person really all about? What is the sense of the man? Where is he? Where is his soul? Who is he? That is what we have to determine in deciding whether he should be placed on the DC Court of Appeals. And I say that very respectfully.
I might add that the DC Court of Appeals is no ordinary, garden variety appellate court. It is a special appellate court, and that is because so many decisions made by Federal agencies go to the DC Court of Appeals as opposed to the Ninth Circuit or the Fourth Circuit. There are so many of them. There are environmental laws, for example, and labor laws that go primarily to the DC Court of Appeals, for which Mr. Estrada has been nominated, much more than to other courts. These decisions affect all of us around the country. They do not just affect the DC Circuit or people who reside in the DC Circuit. They affect all Americans. The DC Court of Appeals jurisdiction extends to the National Labor Relations Board, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, the Federal Communications Commission, the Federal Elections Commission, the Environmental Protection Agency.
Obviously, decisions made by those agencies have a great effect on all Americans. When they are reviewed by the DC Court of Appeals, the decisions the DC Court of Appeals makes certainly have the same effect upon all Americans. Those rulings affect our workers, our businesses, our national environment, our families, and our homes. They affect political elections. They affect directly the present occupant of the chair, just as they affect me directly.
About 50 percent of the DC Court's caseload consists of appeals from regulations or decisions made by Federal agencies. Fifty percent of the DC Court of Appeals caseload is appeals of Federal agencies. In many cases, the DC Court of Appeals is the last word, too, on Federal decisions. We all know this.
The U.S. Supreme Court is taking fewer cases on appeal. The caseload of the U.S. Supreme Court has fallen off dramatically in the last couple or 3 years, which means that the courts of appeals' rulings are that much more important. They are almost like a supreme court in many respects because the U.S. Supreme Court is taking fewer cases.
I will give an example of the power of the DC Court of Appeals in my State of Montana. This is Montana. Don't forget we are in the Ninth Circuit--not
the DC Circuit--as is the State of the Presiding Officer. The DC Court of Appeals has exclusive jurisdiction over cases brought against the Environmental Protection Agency, particularly regarding the Superfund.
I know in the Presiding Officer's State there are huge Superfund issues. They are dramatic. Superfund is tremendously important to my home State of Montana as well. In the town of Libby, MT, for example, they have suffered from decades of asbestos contamination at the hands of W.R. Grace. It is just tragic. It happened to the people of Libby, MT. As a result, Superfund cleanup efforts are now taking place in an attempt to make the town and its residents whole again. It is a gigantic undertaking.
Libby is not the only Superfund site. As the Presiding Officer knows, we have Superfund sites around the country. In Montana, for example, we have the largest Superfund site in the Nation. It is called the Clark Fork Basin. It starts up in Butte and ends up eventually down in the State of the Presiding Officer. It is huge. These sites threaten the health and well-being of so many people not only in my State but in other States as well.
When Congress created the Superfund, our goal was to ensure that the public health and environment were protected and made whole, particularly the cleanup. So decisions made by the DC Court of Appeals overseeing the Environmental Protection Agency obviously greatly influence whether the intent of the law is actually fulfilled on the ground; that is, in Montana or any other State in the Nation, because EPA is all over America. It is not only the Ninth Circuit where the Presiding Officer and I live. There is no question that in the State of Montana we have a terrific interest, a big interest, in who sits on the DC Circuit Court, given that court's influence over our Nation's health, safety, and welfare laws.
Different Members may disagree with different decisions made by the DC Court of Appeals, but we do agree we want a very thoughtful, fully considered, and impartial decision. That is what we want. That is what we expect. That is why, in my judgment, this body has to go to extraordinary lengths to determine whether nominees to the courts of appeals, district courts, and the Supreme Court, are the right people. It is our duty.
We cannot just pass it off and say, oh, the President appointed him. We cannot stop there. It would be irresponsible. When we are elected, we are elected by people in our States to hold up the Constitution of the United States. Certainly the President can appoint, but just as certainly the Senate has the right and, indeed, the obligation to advise and consent and, given the tradition of the advice and consent clause and balance of powers, give it the same weight as the President.
That is why I think at the bare minimum the Senate has the right to ask for more information. Who is this man? Find out more about him. Look at his writings. What is he hiding? What is there to hide? We all know the more information in the public arena, the more likely it is we will make the right decision. We know that. It is only proper the White House ask Mr. Estrada to answer some questions and give some information. This is not rocket science. This is pretty easy. This is simple stuff.
I do not feel it is proper for the Senate to confirm Mr. Estrada. This is very important. I cannot think of many decisions we make that are ultimately more important, particularly regarding the DC Court of Appeals. We may have different conclusions when he gives us information, but at least he should talk to us.
(The remarks of Mr. Baucus pertaining to the submission of S. 396 are located in today's Record under ``Submission of Concurrent and Senate Resolutions.'')