Mr. President, under the rules, technically someone on the minority side would manage the time, theoretically, in opposition to this amendment. I do not see anyone here. Not to be too formal about this, I will speak anyway. I thank the…
Mr. President, under the rules, technically someone on the minority side would manage the time, theoretically, in opposition to this amendment. I do not see anyone here. Not to be too formal about this, I will speak anyway.
I thank the Senator from Ohio, as well as the Senator from Michigan, for working out this amendment. Very basically, they have a very good point; namely, that many businesses, particularly in some parts of the country, are not able to take full advantage of bonus depreciation or so-called 179 expensing. That is because these are companies that have no profits. They do not have the ability to take advantage of these depreciation write-downs.
So they have come up with an amendment to address that problem. The first version was a bit expensive. We have worked very closely together with the Senators, as well as with the Joint Committee on Tax, to find the proper amount that makes some sense, and it has been tailored down to about $1.3 billion. That is the modification which was sent to the desk by the Senator from Ohio. I think that is a proper amount. I think it is very helpful and ought to help these companies in these very stressed parts of our country that very much need the benefit of this provision. So I accept the amendment.
Mr. President, a number of Senators wish to speak and offer amendments. I ask unanimous consent that Senator Ensign be recognized for 5 minutes and then I be allowed to follow him; following him, Senator Nelson of Florida recognized for 5 minutes and I be allowed to follow him. We will lock those two in at this point. There may be others throughout the day.
That is on the Bill Nelson of Florida amendment.
A better procedure is not to line up second degrees because nobody's second-degree rights are ever denied anyway on any amendment. That is automatic. For example, when Senator Ensign's amendment is offered, if somebody wants to offer a second-degree amendment, that is certainly in order. The unanimous consent request would not preclude someone from offering a second-degree amendment. The Senator always has that right.
I don't want to get in the position of getting UCs for one second- degree amendment or another at this point, especially when, I say to my good friend from Tennessee, it is not necessary in any way. He will be fully protected when the amendment of the Senator from Nevada is up. He is protected to offer a second degree.
That is absolutely this Senator's understanding, and I will protect that Senator's right as best I can.
Mr. President, so the Senator from Louisiana does not have an amendment?
Not to the housing bill?
Later on today.
As far as this Senator is concerned, it is fine if this Senator is added.
Mr. President, as far as I am concerned, that is perfectly OK with me.
Mr. President, I would like to address the underlying Ensign amendment. I think most Members of this body believe very strongly we need to be much more self-sufficient in the production of energy. We are way too reliant on OPEC. We have made several attempts in this Congress in the last several months to try to pass tax incentive provisions to accomplish that objective. They have not been successful, for various reasons. Some because they are paid for, and people don't like to pay for this, and others because it was not paid for.
For example, last February we passed an energy tax incentive package very similar to the Ensign package, which was not paid for, and that did not survive. So we are in a difficult position. I agree with the impetus of Senator Cantwell and Senator Ensign, but we also know the other body is probably not as friendly toward passing this because it is not paid for--not as friendly as this body.
We hope the President signs this package. I am not terribly sanguine that will happen, but nevertheless let's at least try to see if the other body will in fact adopt it. This is a housing bill; it is not an energy bill. We want to get a housing bill passed very quickly, and now that we have an energy provision in it, that is a bit problematic as to whether we are going to get the housing bill passed as it is, especially when the energy provisions are not paid for.
The Finance Committee has other options to pass this package. All Senators on the committee know what we have been working on. I am committed to getting these tax incentives passed this year. They are so important, so vitally important, for reasons everyone has mentioned. And, in fact, I am even more worried about it than probably some other Senators. I am as worried as the Senator from Washington about getting this passed. So I am committed to finding a way. If this approach is not successful, I am committed to finding a way, to finding a successful approach so these energy provisions are in fact enacted into law this year.
I will be happy to yield.
Mr. President, frankly, I think this is a good discussion. There is merit for both, for those who want to amend the law so IRAs can be used to help people finance their homes, but I also think the Senator from Connecticut, the chairman of the Banking Committee, makes a very good point. We don't want to let the lenders off the hook either.
From a tax perspective, we in the Finance Committee believe--I can speak for myself anyway--that the purpose of this amendment is close enough to the nature of the purpose of the IRAs and the savings vehicles in the first place to warrant an exception that will last for 2 years because, after all, a home is pretty close to retirement. People should be saving for retirement in these retirement programs. If saving their home means dipping into their retirement savings, then I think that would be appropriate, as to avoiding the 10-percent penalty. Also it is in effect for only 2 years, so from a tax perspective I think it is appropriate. However, I think the chairman of the banking committees makes an excellent point and I would join with the Senator to see if he can find some way to incentivize lenders to do what they should be doing, at least with respect to the principal on a lot of these mortgage loans.
I think we should. I will devote my staff to that effort.
That is correct.
I appreciate that. Earlier, when the Senator from Minnesota talked about silver bullets I was smiling because it is my view there are never silver bullets. It is always a major effort to find lots of different pieces, different steps to address the difficulties.
The occupant of the chair might remember this. There is a famous journalist, H.L. Mencken, of Baltimore, who said: For every complicated problem there is a simple solution--and it doesn't work.
I guess that is true of this situation, too.