Thank you, Mr. Akin. I appreciate your yielding me some time. As you know, I just walked in a moment ago. I wanted to bring out something that you may or may not have talked about. The American people need to understand something. They've…
Thank you, Mr. Akin. I appreciate your yielding me some time. As you know, I just walked in a moment ago. I wanted to bring out something that you may or may not have talked about. The American people need to understand something. They've been promised that if they like the private health insurance that they have today, they can keep it.
No. In fact, that's what I wanted to bring up. If you like what you have today, you're going to lose it. Thank you, Dr. Fleming, for giving me this chart. But if you like what you have today, the American people are going to lose it.
Well, that's correct. And the reason that people are going to lose their private health insurance that they have today is because the bill requires the health care czar, they call it a ``commissioner'' in the bill, is going to set the health care plan for every single individual in this country.
They call him a ``commissioner.''
No, they don't call him a ``czar.'' They call him a ``commissioner'' in the plan, but this fits the pattern of the czars that the President has established. The funny thing is this President has set up more czars than Russia did throughout its history through 200 years. We have more czars in the last 6 months than Russia has ever had.
Well----
The bill calls him a ``commissioner.'' But he fits the pattern of this health care czar because he is not confirmed by the Senate. He has no one to answer to but the President of the United States. Congress has no control over what he does.
Absolutely.
Absolutely. It is kind of like a dictatorship.
Absolutely, because what it is going to do is this health care commissioner, I won't use the word ``czar,'' but that's what he is going to be, this health care commissioner is going to set every single private plan in this country, and the employer is not going to have a choice about it, and neither is the employee. If the employee doesn't want that plan that's set by this health care commissioner, established by the President, appointed by the President, then that individual is going to be fined through the Tax Code, and they're going to be fined by having to pay higher taxes for just not accepting the mandated coverage that this health care commissioner and this administration is going to put upon them.
Let me point out a specific here. Particularly with this administration, which is the most pro-abortion administration that we have ever seen, obviously what this plan is going to include, if Barack Obama has anything to say about it, is taxpayer-funded abortions. And people are not going to have a choice. They're going to have to be buying a plan and help support a plan, even if they disagree with abortions, that will pay for abortions.
And it may be, there's a very high potential that that plan to cover everybody within an employee of a particular business, it may be that a single male is going to have to pay for OB coverage. It may be that a person who is past, a couple, for instance, who works for a particular company who is past the childbearing ages are going to have to pay for OB coverages, because this health care commissioner is going to mandate to every single business, every single private insurance company, whether it's individually purchased or whether it's purchased through the company that they work for, this health care commissioner is going to mandate coverage to every single human being in America.
The American people need to understand that, that this plan, though it is silent on abortions, amendments to the plan have been presented to make sure that the plan does not make taxpayers pay for abortions.
It has been offered in the committees. And those amendments have been defeated. In other words, the Democrats, and it has been pretty much party line--
That's exactly right.
That's correct.
There have been two other medical groups that have endorsed ObamaCare. One is the American College of Surgeons, and the other one is the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology. Well, ACOG, the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology, have been promoting abortion. So go back to your pro-life group; they wouldn't sign on to a plan if we pay, with taxpayers' funds, abortions. That's one thing. Secondly, back to the AMA; I don't think they represent but about 20 percent of doctors here in this country.
That's right. In fact, AMA represents very few doctors in this country. I'm a member of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons. Dr. Jane Orient is the executive director. It has very ardently opposed a government takeover of health care for years and years, and looking to the marketplace, has presented ideas about how to lower the cost of health care for everybody in this country to make it more affordable. But the liberals in Congress won't hear of that type of philosophy. So the AMA's endorsing this plan, actually I think they have been very shortsighted, because as Dr. Fleming said, they cut a backroom deal by just a little handful of the leadership in they AMA.
They didn't consult any doctor here in Congress that I can find. Neither did any of the other two groups. They didn't consult any of us who serve here in Congress, and cut these backroom deals on the SGR, sustained growth rate, or what we have called ``doc fix'' here.
But they're being very shortsighted because, the thing is, the taxes for all those doctors is going to go up above what they have been promised to be given in not cutting their fees. And so net income for the doctors is actually going to go down, and the doctors ought to understand that the AMA has sold them out.
Thank you, Mr. Akin.
I just want to talk a little bit more about something that Dr. Fleming brought up is this comparative effectiveness research that was funded through the stimulus bill; got a ton of money to set up this commission or study group to look at comparative effectiveness research. Age is one of the parameters. What happens in Canada today, if you need coronary bypass surgery, you just go on a waiting list and you just stay there till you die, if you're past a certain age. If you're diabetic and develop renal failure and need dialysis, I think the age is 55. I'm not certain of the age up there. In Great Britain it's the same way. They say, well, that's fine. We'll put you on the list for a renal transplant, or even for dialysis. You just never get off the list. You just die there. And very quickly.
Will the gentleman yield?
Well, you're not going against what I was saying. In Canada, it happens that way. But they have a relief valve, and that's called the United States and the excellent quality of care that they can get here on demand. But in the Canadian system, in the British system, if they stay there, they just die. They don't get the care that they need to save their lives.
And so you and I agree. You, in Michigan, have seen that first and foremost in your communities in places like the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor.
How's that?
Will the gentleman yield?
I want to point out a chart that Dr. Fleming pulled up. The one that Mr. Akin is looking at here is about all cancers. But if you look at prostate cancer and breast cancer, it's absolutely phenomenal at the difference in the rate. For instance, in the U.S., which is the purple bar here----
I was looking at the word prostate, so I apologize. But breast cancer, actually, with the new technology we have of imaging and the diagnosis to try to diagnose this
early, as well as some of the new drugs that are coming out on the market today that will all be denied actually under care because it's not cost effective. But 5-year survival rate for women is way over 90 percent in the United States. But look in England, it's hard to tell, but it's much lower.
Not in his daughter.
Almost 100 percent. Five years.
Yes. I was going to talk about that with prostate cancer in a minute or two.
Will the gentleman yield?
I'd like to go back to what Governor Hoekstra, Pete Hoekstra, our friend, just said from Michigan about Mayo Clinic and the innovative techniques that they're developing. And they're being developed at the Medical College of Georgia in Augusta, Georgia that I represent. Innovative techniques are being developed all over this country for all sorts of health problems.
But now let's take the cancer that you have, prostate cancer. That's the most common cancer in men. With the new techniques that we've done and the stereotactic surgery and some of the things that go on today, we have developed surgical techniques to take care of prostate cancer that by and large will prevent men who have prostate cancer from having what in medicine we term incontinence which means urine leaks out and they don't have any control of the urine and have to wear a condom catheter with a bag on their leg to catch the urine because they can't control it. That is almost a thing of the past because of these new techniques that have been developed.
Absolutely. And in the past, people who had prostate cancer, there are many of them following that surgery were sexually impotent and could not perform sexually. With these new techniques, we've developed these new surgeries that prevent the impotence, prevent the incontinence, but the types of research and the innovative efforts that doctors make in this country today are going to be totally--
Government does fund some research through NIH and other entities, and thus there is--
Yes, sir. It's private sector and it's doctors all over this country; but when we go to rationing care, then what we're going to do is demand the lowest quality of care for everybody in this country.
So those techniques will not continue to be developed.
Absolutely.
We don't know how many illegal aliens are here. They're not immigrants. They've committed crimes so they're criminals. They not only come here illegally, which means they're criminals, but virtually all of them have illegal documents, forged documents so they're guilty of many law infractions. But this health care plan, ObamaCare, is going to give every single one of those illegal aliens in this country free health insurance at the cost of taxpayers.
And what that means is as we ration care to everybody in this country, that means American citizens, American taxpayers are going to have less care provided to them because we're funding these illegal aliens. And when we hear this number that 47 million people don't have health insurance--they say don't have health care. Everybody has health care. They have access to health care in this country today. Everybody has access--that 47 million people don't have health insurance, of that is at least 10, if Dr. Fleming's right, it could be up to 15, even 20 million illegal aliens in this country. So it's a huge part of that 45, 47 million people that don't have insurance.
They will get free health insurance.
They will get it, yes, absolutely.
Let me bring up another category of folks if you don't mind, if you will yield just for a second, and that's employees.
If you work for a company, you shouldn't like this, and the reason for that is that mandated coverage directed by the health commissioner--
The health czar, the health commissioner that is going to mandate to the employee's employer what kind of care that they're given, it's going to do two things at least to the employee and maybe even more.
Number one, the employee has to accept the insurance provided by the employer. Now, of the 47 million people who are not insured today, some of those are eligible for insurance through their employer, but they just choose not to take it. But they're going to be mandated to take the insurance through their employer, and if they don't, they're going to be fined through the tax system. It's a 2 percent tax or fine for them not taking employee-mandated----
That's correct. And another thing that's going to happen to that employee, because the employer is going to be taxed or have to pay more for the plan--in fact, a lot of companies are saying already that it would be better for them to just pay the 8 percent tax on those employers than it is to continue to giving them the insurance.
So it's going to force those employees off of their private health insurance that the employer's giving and force them on this so-called public option, the socialized medicine, Medicare-lite or Medicaid-lite that already has huge problems, but they're going to be forced into that. And a lot of them aren't going to want to do that either.
That's correct.
Or the Senate.
Will the gentleman yield?
Even if you're employed, you won't like this bill, because what's going to happen is millions of people are going to be put out of work. They're going to lose their jobs because of this ObamaCare plan.
They're going to lose their jobs because of the increased taxes and burden.
It's going to lose millions of jobs. And those that are working are actually going to have a lower take-home pay because of the increased cost and the mandates on the individual as well as on their business.
So incomes literally are going to go down if you're employed and you keep your job, but there are millions of Americans that are going to literally lose their jobs because of ObamaCare.