Health Care
I thank the gentleman for yielding, and I appreciate your hosting this very special Special Order this evening. Where I come from in Ohio, we are very, very hard hit. Our unemployment rate is one of the highest in the State in our…
I thank the gentleman for yielding, and I appreciate your hosting this very special Special Order this evening.
Where I come from in Ohio, we are very, very hard hit. Our unemployment rate is one of the highest in the State in our district. I represent the largest manufacturing district in Ohio. I represent the largest agricultural district in Ohio. At this time last year, we were, according to the National Manufacturers, about the ninth largest in manufacturing.
We were at this time last year, but we've slipped to 15th now.
Yes.
Absolutely.
Well, I'll tell you. You know, when we were all home during the August work period, I went through I don't know how many different factories, and I went through lots of small businesses.
As one example in particular, I had a gentleman walk up to me. He was a factory worker. He said, You know, I'm really not sure what you all are talking about there in Washington. He says, If I can't put a roof over my family's head, if I can't put food on the table, health care is not the top issue for me.
People are all concerned about health care, but as to where it is in the priority ranking, it's at survival right now. We've got a lot of folks out there who need to survive. At the same time, you have a lot of these smaller businesses--you know, when I talk about
smaller, it could be a factory of about 150-170 which is now down to 29-35 people, and they're just hoping they can keep the lights on. When they see and hear that Washington might impose a mandate on them, especially at that 8 percent level, they say, Well, we're not going to survive.
Absolutely.
Absolutely. You hit the nail on the head.
All of these companies that are out there struggling right now look at everything. Health care is a huge issue to them. Cap-and-trade is an issue out there--the electricity costs to keep the machines running. Then we had the second highest corporate tax rate here in the United States.
If you put these all together, plus you throw in the EPA and the environmental things that have to go on at these companies, and if they're owned by a parent company that has a plant someplace else in the United States, they can say, as in our situation, Well, you know what? Your costs go up too great in Ohio. You're just going to have to move.
There are some companies out there that are multinational and they've said, You know what? We're to the point that, with any more costs, it would be cheaper for us to actually make it on the Pacific Rim and ship it here, and then we won't have to worry about all of these costs, and there's the product.
Yet, you know, health care is one of those things that everybody wants to make sure that we have; but at the same time, we've got to do it in the right manner, and that's what a lot of folks back home are very concerned about, because I don't care if you're a senior citizen and you're on the Medicare side or if you're a businessowner. Again, these businessowners are the ones who are very frightened because they're the ones who keep people employed on Main Street.
In talking about Main Street, not too long ago, I was out on one of my Main Streets in my district. One of the businessowners asked, Bob, you know, is this thing going to pass? He said, You know what? You're looking at my business right now, and I will not be able to survive, with the numbers that I'm seeing from Washington right now, under this legislation.
If the gentleman would yield.
You hit on a very important point right here. One of the things they're talking about right now is that we've been coming out of this recession into a jobless recovery. When you have these unemployment rates----
It's the way they define when you're coming out of a recession.
Back in 1982, when I look at that recession, one of the things that a lot of people point to is that it was very, very tough. We all remember coming out of the Carter administration with double-digit unemployment, with double-digit inflation and with a 21\1/2\ percent interest rate. A lot of people also said the same thing: You know what? It's tough, but at the end of the day at some point, that factory down the street is going to reopen, and I'm going to get my job back.
In this case, we've got so many companies out there, especially in my district, that are saying, You know what? We've cut as much as we possibly can. We're going to do as much as we possibly can to make sure we can just keep the doors open, and we find right now that we can survive with what we've got.
When they say ``what we've got,'' it's the employees who are on the floor right now. They say, We're not going to hire anybody else.
That's the scary thing because now, all of a sudden, we're going to have all of these young people coming out of high school, coming out of trade schools, coming out of community college, and coming out of college. Where are they going to go? Because we've got more and more people saying, I can't retire. I've got to keep working because I'm not sure what I'm going to have down the road.
There are all of these things that, I think, have got to really be looked at. That's why, I think, the American people have said to us, especially in my district, We all agree. There's not one person in this body right here who would say we should not do something about health care in this country; but it's how we do it, how we proceed. It's slowing it down. The American people
want it to be the best thing, not something that's rushed through, not something that's in a 1,990-page bill.
I thank the gentleman for yielding.
Again, that's what happened during the month of August and when we were back home. We were out in our districts, and the people got to see us and talk to us face-to-face, and that's what they really want to do. They want that opportunity to say, I want a piece of my voice to be heard on this.
One of the things, I think, that has been missing in this is that I came from the Ohio legislature, and I chaired a couple of committees in the house and the senate. One of the things that, I think, is very important is that we have people come in, be able to testify and be able to face the members.
I think what we ought to have been doing during this whole period of time here is that we should have taken this back onto the road, and we should have had committee hearings across this country so that Americans could have gone to their States and to wherever it would be that the Members would be holding the hearings for the three different committees here in the House which were hearing this piece of legislation. I think that's what we should have been doing because, again, people feel left out. The most dangerous place for me to go, for my wife to send me, is to the grocery store after church.
Well, it's the grocery store.
Because what happens is that people come up to me, and they want to talk. I go home every weekend, and I don't care if it's at the grocery store or at the gas pump. You know, it could take 45 minutes to an hour sometimes.
The American people want to be heard, and I think that is one of the things they are really saying here is wait a minute, I don't think we are being heard in this discussion.
If the gentleman will yield, when we are talking about punitives, we are not going to say to people limit the economic damages. It is the noneconomic damages. Because it took us quite a few years in the Ohio legislature to finally get a small portion of that passed, but we saw changes almost within a year in what was happening out there.
That is one of the things we had to do on some of the noneconomic damages, and, again, it was only a small portion, because we had to pick certain areas and we picked the one area, and we watched those things come down. Because what happened was as soon as we passed the legislation, as soon as it was signed into law, it was challenged in the Ohio Supreme Court and it was upheld for being constitutional. But those are the things you have to do.
Those are the things when you are talking about doctors not having to practice that defensive medicine, instead of running four, five or six tests, maybe they only have to run the two. But they are going to run the four, five or six tests. Why? Because if it is in your neighborhood and the courts have been saying why haven't you done this, you have got a problem. That is why these doctors say I have to do it, because otherwise I am going to get sued and my malpractice insurance is going to say you didn't do what you should have done, and now you are in trouble.