Legislative Session
Madam President, reserving the right to object, anybody who follows the Finance Committee knows that I very much enjoy working with our colleague from North Carolina. We have worked together on a variety of issues here. However, we have…
Madam President, reserving the right to object, anybody who follows the Finance Committee knows that I very much enjoy working with our colleague from North Carolina. We have worked together on a variety of issues here. However, we have got a big disagreement, and I hope we can work it out.
More than 90 percent of North Carolina's Members of Congress voted in favor of our bipartisan bill to improve the lives of 16 million kids and assist scores of small businesses trying to better compete with China. This carefully crafted bipartisan bill will significantly also increase the supply of affordable housing, which is badly needed from one end of our Nation to another. If the Senate approves the request of our colleague from North Carolina, it would essentially kick out one of the legs of this carefully crafted bipartisan tax agreement. The entire bill topples.
Here is a little background.
After 4 months of negotiations, including many meetings over several months and in working with our colleague from Idaho, Senator Crapo; our colleague from Massachusetts, Congressman Neal; Chairman Smith, of the Ways and Means Committee, and I agreed on a bill that brings together Republican and Democratic priorities. Republicans wanted a set of tax cuts for business. Democrats were willing to accept those because many of those tax cuts will help small businesses and help our country compete with China by promoting research and development. So Democrats said we will work with the Republicans on those proposals in exchange for an equal investment in kids and families. We fought for the largest expansion of the child tax credit we could get. Our bill immediately helps 16 million kids from low-income families.
The laws on the books--I think the Presiding Officer and I talked about this when she came to the Senate to join us. The laws on the books today discriminate--they discriminate--against so many of our large families of modest means. This bipartisan bill changes that. They will get to claim the child tax credit for each of the kids just like middle- and high-income families get to do.
The analysis from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities shows what a transformational change this would be for so many families of modest means. For example, a parent of two young kids who works as a home health aide or a food server could see their child tax credit nearly double. They could get close to an additional $2,000 to help those families--to help them pay for diapers, baby food, and schools supplies--you name it. For families with three or more kids, the benefits are even greater, and in both cases, they will do even better next year.
These are families who walk the economic tightrope every day. They need the help. They are going to keep working hard regardless because raising a child in America is expensive for everybody--working class, middle class, even those who are more fortunate.
Our bill also includes other bipartisan priorities. I particularly want to thank colleagues on both sides. Senator Maria Cantwell, my colleague from the Pacific Northwest; our colleague from Indiana, Senator Todd Young; and a number of Senators came together to support the low-income housing tax credit, which will help to build more than 200,000 affordable housing units across the country. All of these priorities are paid for by sunsetting a pandemic-era tax program called the employee retention tax credit.
The program, which technically expired in 2021, has become overrun with fraud. I think my colleague remembers because we were there together, and all of us were kind of slack-jawed. We had the Commissioner of the Internal Revenue Service, Mr. Werfel, whom Senator Tillis and I both enjoy working with--a straight shooter.
I said: I got a tip from a whistleblower. What is the story on this employee retention tax credit? I hear that 95 percent of the current claims are fraudulent. Let me repeat that: 95 percent of the current claims are fraudulent.
He looked at his shoes and said: Yes, that is the case, Senators.
So that is what we are looking at for our pay-for.
The Joint Committee on Taxation are the people--you know, I know they are not exactly a household word, but they are the official nonpartisan experts. As my friend from North Carolina and I know, we kind of use them as the gospel before everybody starts running around and twisting the politics. The Joint Committee on Taxation tells us that cutting off the ERTC claims pays for nearly the entire tax bill that Chairman Smith and I introduced. So it makes a lot of sense to cut off an out-of-date program that is overrun with fraud and redirect those dollars to low- income families and priorities like research and development and small business.
Now, I know that my colleague from North Carolina is raising objections to this as being an offset, and he certainly has a right to do that. But I want to take a minute to kind of walk through the implications.
First, my colleague's request from the Senate right now would shut down these employee retention claims, but it doesn't include the rest of the bill that Chairman Smith and I introduced. So there would be no help for low-income kids and families, no boost for R&D, no boost for small business.
I know my colleague thinks that this is some kind of gimmick, and he would like to wait and pass the business pieces of the tax package without any offset. Now, I am not sure--because he and I have not really talked about it--but there is this old saw that corporate tax cuts pay for themselves--essentially, that the tax breaks favored by
Republicans never need to be offset, regardless of the proof they will add to the deficit, and that is wrong. That was shown in 2017 when Republicans added trillions of dollars to the deficit to pass the Trump tax law, which overwhelmingly benefited large corporations and the wealthy. The pricetag on that deficit buster was growing even higher with the increase in interest rates.
So my colleague, as I indicated, hasn't had to get involved in those kinds of issues in the past, but I just think that, if we are unwinding deficit finance tax laws, we ought to go back a little further and repeal the deficit-financed handouts to corporations and the wealthy that Donald Trump and the Republicans passed in 2017.
The fact is the chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, from Missouri, who I think would call himself a strong conservative--he and I negotiated a bipartisan proposal. Nearly the entire bill is paid for, and it came after months and months and months of discussions with Democrats and Republicans. If the Joint Committee on Taxation tells the Finance Committee that that is an offset--the one we have that works-- that, to me, is always the end of the debate.
So I would just hope that we not do something--and I know my colleague well enough at this point that this is not his intent, but this is essentially a poison pill to a bipartisan effort on the child tax credit, research and development, and low-income housing, and we shouldn't do it this way.
I will just say publicly what I said to my colleague from North Carolina: I am very interested in working with him and with the ranking member, Senator Crapo, because we have always done it that way. We have always found common ground. My goodness, there is a lot to work with here. It got 357 votes in the other body. I have been here long enough to know you can't get 357 votes to go order a Dr Pepper. That is a big, big effort at bipartisanship.
So I close by way of saying that I am going to object here in a minute officially so that is clear, but I want to again extend an olive branch to my colleague from North Carolina and to the ranking member, Senator Crapo. Let's do something good for low-income kids, particularly the big families, the small businesses, research and development. Let's get that low-income housing tax credit that Senator Cantwell and Senator Young and a whole group of us on the Finance Committee have been for. Let's get going on that so we can work on it together and get it up in short order after we come back.
So, with that, I object.
Madam President, just very briefly, my sense is that, after we are done voting on the piece of legislation that is in front of us, we will have, I would say to my friend from North Carolina, a crucial period where we can come together and start looking at ways to find common ground and get this passed.
The reality is it has been weeks now since the chairman of the Ways and Means Committee and I brought forward our proposal--the one that got 357 votes. I have been saying to folks on the Republican side of the aisle: My door is open. Tell me what you want in terms of a couple of these provisions I have heard mentioned, but we haven't heard anything.
So I want, as chairman of the Finance Committee, to again extend an olive branch to say: The door is open. Have you got ideas on pay-fors that both sides can go along with that we can get passed in the other body? Have you got issues--I mean, we have had a discussion about the work requirement, for example, and I have looked at all of these experts and this fellow from the tax organization, Grover Norquist, who is certainly one of the more conservative people in this town, who says this doesn't discourage work. But he doesn't have an election certificate, and Republicans do. So we are going to all sit down and work this through, but we have to get it done quickly because people are filing their returns now. We want those small businesses and we want those families to get a fair shake.
So to all Senators who are listening to this: My door is open. Let's move quickly after we get through this bill and be ready to go when we get back and move this legislation to do something significant, which, by the way, also has an added benefit because it will set the table in a responsible way for the bigger tax debate come 2025.
I thank my colleague.
I yield the floor.