Madam President, I thank the chairman for his outstanding work. Madam President, I call up amendment 3819. On behalf of Senators Sununu, McCaskill--who is presiding--McCain, Durbin, and Schumer, I am proud today to offer the Reduction of…
Madam President, I thank the chairman for his outstanding work.
Madam President, I call up amendment 3819.
On behalf of Senators Sununu, McCaskill--who is presiding--McCain, Durbin, and Schumer, I am proud today to offer the Reduction of Excess Subsidies to Crop Underwriters--or the RESCU-- amendment to the farm bill.
Our bipartisan amendment takes dollars from where they do not belong, from oversubsidized crop insurers, and invests them in priorities with a return for the United States of America, such as nutrition programs and conservation programs and initiatives that create sustainable economic development in other countries and our own, which, after all, is the key to strong export markets and also to deficit reduction.
The RESCU amendment is based on a simple premise: When resources are limited, we simply cannot afford to waste them. We cannot afford to overpay crop insurers with tax dollars while underinvesting in programs that pay for themselves, programs that preserve farmland and deploy U.S. resources strategically in the global arena.
Our amendment does not increase the cost of crop insurance for any farmer. I repeat: Our amendment does not increase the cost of crop insurance for any farmer. In fact, it has no effect on premiums at all. It does not, as some will claim, dramatically reduce the margin for crop insurers, jeopardizing access to crop insurance. It draws from huge, bloated overpayments and astounding profit margins, making them a little less huge and a little less astounding.
Crop insurers will have no incentive to leave a business that continues to reward them so generously, as this Federal program does with these tax-dollar subsidies. They will have no incentive to leave a business that continues to reward them so generously for their involvement. I can assure you that before and after this amendment, if it is enacted, crop insurers will continue to be generously rewarded for their activities.
This amendment simply seizes an opportunity to do some good while doing no harm. It is a fiscally responsible amendment that reroutes insurance overpayments to accomplish several beneficial goals. Some of the dollars go toward deficit reduction, some of the dollars honor faith-based missions throughout the world by contributing to a like program that feeds hungry children in developing countries, and some of the dollars help family farmers become better stewards of our land and our natural resources. This amendment is not glamorous or earth- changing; it is simply an opportunity to move forward and to do the right thing.
I know some of my colleagues do not want to take any money from crop insurers. They want to continue to shovel more taxpayer dollars to crop insurers. As I mentioned, some of them are worried that taking these dollars will put crop insurers out of business. They are not really worried; that is what they will say. But you just can't get there from here. This amendment is not going to break the backs of those insurers; it is just going to mean slightly less huge profits for those insurers. Let's face it, this amendment does not take crop insurers to the cleaners; this amendment takes a little drop from their rather large bucket.
Federal crop insurance is an essential part of the farm safety net, as it should be and as it will continue to be. However, billions of dollars that are intended to benefit farmers are instead siphoned off by large crop insurance companies.
Listen to this number for a moment. Since 2000, farmers received $10.5 billion in benefits from the Crop Insurance Program, but it has cost taxpayers $19 billion to provide those benefits--$10 billion in benefits for farmers, $19 billion in taxpayer subsidies to get that $10 billion to the farmers. That is because the crop insurance companies have had such huge overpayments, huge profits during those 7 years.
So where does the difference go? According to GAO, crop insurance companies take 40 cents out of every dollar that Congress appropriate to help farmers. Think about that, 40 cents out of every dollar. No place operates that way. Medicare does not operate that way, Medicaid does not operate that way. No other insurance company does that well.
Look at this chart. Private property and casualty insurance profits, 8.3 percent; Federal crop insurance profits more than double that, 17.8 percent. So slicing a little off here, they are still going to be close to double the profits of other private property insurance companies, property and casualty insurance companies.
In the same report, GAO found that crop insurance--this was a GAO report--company profits are more than double insurance industry averages. Again, over the past 10 years, crop insurance companies have almost an 18-percent return, while most of the rest of the private insurance market has an 8-percent return.
This amendment also reduces the exorbitant--I mean exorbitant administration fees crop insurance receives. For each policy they sell, the GAO report shows that the per-policy subsidies to insurance companies will be triple what they were less than 10 years ago. This is the money crop insurance companies receive. A&O is administration and operations. So whatever the premiums are, the Government then--already profitable for the crop insurance company--the Government then pays them a percentage--roughly 20 percent, slightly more than that--in addition so that they can administer and operate this insurance program.
Look, as prices have gone up, as the price of corn, for instance, and soybeans--which I have a huge growing crop, huge corn and soybean production in my State, one of the leading States in the country--the crop insurance companies make more and more money the higher the prices are because the premiums are then higher. If you think the price of corn is high, you are going to buy more insurance, the premiums are going to be higher, and
the A&O--administration and operations--subsidy is 20 percent of an increasingly higher number. That is why you see from $497 million, to $591 million, to $700 million, to 830 million, to, in 2007, $1.172 billion for these administrative bonuses, if you will. These delivery subsidies have tripled because they are linked, as I said, to the total premiums and thus the rising price, particularly of corn and soybeans.
This amendment will reduce the administrative subsidies for each policy to the national average of 2004 and 2006. This level is still well above every year prior to 2006. We are not taking them back to these numbers; we are just modestly bringing them back to this number. This number still was historically the highest ever. It is historically very generous to the crop insurance companies as a subsidy.
This amendment, I repeat, is no threat to the crop insurance industry. It is a threat to something--it is a threat to complacency. Instead of taking the painless route and leaving the crop insurance industry be, we can simply apply a dose of reason and do a world of good. We can help feed children in impoverished nations. We can help restore the McGovern-Dole Program--two of the most respected Members to have served in this distinguished body. We can help bring down, by hundreds of millions of dollars, something near and dear to the heart of Senator Conrad, I know--we can bring down the Federal deficit.
Simply put, we can do the right thing. I hope Members on both sides of the aisle will support the amendment.
I yield the floor, and I suggest the absence of a quorum.
Madam President, how much time do I have?
Madam President, I reserve my right to object. Rather than have three or four speeches in a row in support of this amendment, I would like to--particularly since I have more time remaining--at least use a couple minutes now. I will not give a long speech, but I would like to use a couple minutes responding to Senator Roberts and then go back and forth, if that would be acceptable to the Senator from Iowa, or if the Senator from Iowa has somewhere to go, I am fine with him speaking now. But I would like to speak afterwards.
Madam President, I am fine with that. I would like to be recognized after Senator Grassley, if that is OK with the Senator from Georgia.
I thank the Senator. I certainly will reserve my time.
Madam President, I thank the Senator from Iowa for adding his knowledge to this debate.
After listening to the Senator from Kansas, I think we might think the sky is falling in Kansas or in Ohio or in Iowa or in Georgia, that the sky is falling on the crop insurance companies.
But when I hear the opponents of this amendment say crop insurance companies may go out of business because of this amendment, or a new argument today, that the reinsurer might go out of business-- reinsurance companies that insure the crop insurers--I think you should, again, look at this chart.
On this chart is shown the number of dollars per policy that the crop insurance companies are paid. In the last 10 years, it slowly went up, until about 2004. So a crop insurance company writing a policy would get $591, 4 years ago. They would get this A&O subsidy, this administrative and operating subsidy. Then it went to $700, stayed around $700. Then it went up to $800 in 2006, the highest number in crop insurance program history. Then, this year, it is close to $1,200 per policy of the subsidy. In addition to everything else with crop insurance, we don't need to get into the inner machinations of the subsidies in other ways. But this over-the-top subsidy--I have been very involved in Medicare issues. Medicare is about 2 percent of administrative costs that the Government pays them to operate the Medicare Programs in the 50 States. I don't make the comparison, generally, because it is a very different program. But we give them $1,100 for every policy they write--almost $1,200. Our amendment simply says: Let's go back to the last record-setting year, which is $830 per policy.
So for Senator Roberts to claim they may go out of business--all we are doing is going back to the very profitable year they had when they were getting $830. This is all taxpayer dollars. These are private insurance companies making huge profits--making huge profits from our tax dollars. Again, I go back to the profit levels of these Federal crop insurance companies. These are private companies getting financing profits from taxpayers--twice the profits of the average private insurance property and casualty companies.
Then I hear my friend from Kansas, Senator Roberts, talk about how business is going to be bad for farmers. Understand, no premium increase. This amendment increases no premiums; it doesn't touch premiums for farmers. But then he makes the case that--he does the oldest trick in the book, making the farmers' interests coincident with the insurance company interests. If you buy car insurance as a driver, you don't think your interests are always the same as the car insurance companies. When you get your health insurance plan, you don't think your interests are exactly identical with your health insurer. So to believe our taking some of the oversubsidized profits--taxpayer dollars--from the private crop insurance companies, that that means we are going after the farmers or that is going to hurt the farmers simply doesn't pass the straight-face test, and here is why.
We spent, if you recall from my earlier comments, $10 billion in subsidies in the last few years which go to the farmers for crop insurance--a $10 billion benefit for farmers, but it took $19 billion of taxpayer dollars to get them those $10 billion. So in other words, a majority of crop insurance spending, this spending is taxpayer dollars. A majority of crop insurance spending goes to insurers, not the farmers. The farmers and the insurance companies don't have identical interests. I am very supportive of family farmers in my State. Most of the agriculture in my State is corn and soybeans. Most of the crop insurance premium dollars are insuring corn and soybeans in this country. Some 75 percent, if I recall, of crop insurance is about corn and soybeans. I am very supportive of those farmers. I will continue to be. I don't want to see taxpayers, whether they are taxpayers in rural Lexington, OH, or whether they are taxpayers in more urban Youngstown, OH, I don't want to see them giving all of these subsidies to insurance companies.
Again, more than half the spending on crop insurance--more than half the spending--goes to the crop insurance companies, not the farmers. We are not touching the 46 percent that goes to farmers. We are not touching those dollars. We don't want those premiums to increase. We are saying, take a little bit away from the crop insurance companies. Go back to their 2006 levels of $830 per policy. They had huge profits in 2006. The crop insurance companies were thriving. The farmers were benefiting from these programs. Why give them the extra $342 per policy when that money could go to programs such as conservation for farmers; EQIP--an important program in Kansas--or go to McGovern-Dole or go to hundreds of millions of dollars in deficit reduction.
So we are taking those taxpayers' dollars, giving them to these private insurance companies so their profits can absolutely go through the roof. Instead, I want those dollars to be used wisely. We are stewards of taxpayer dollars, as my farmers are stewards of their land. I want to support the farmers. I want to support the conservation programs. I want to support the feeding programs. I want to help reduce the Federal deficit. That is why the Brown-Sununu-McCaskill amendment makes so much sense.
I reserve the remainder of my time.
Mr. President, will the Chair let us know how much time remains on each side?
I thank the Chair.
Will Senator Roberts take his last 2 minutes?
I have a good bit of time left. You have a couple of minutes. I want to close, but I want to make some comments first.
I thank the Senator. I think we should wrap this up.
I appreciate the comments of my friend from North Dakota, who has fought more effectively and passionately for his farmers in North Dakota than perhaps anybody in the Senate. But this debate is not about how much money has gone to conservation, to nutrition, or in or out of direct payments. This amendment is the subsidies, the taxpayer dollars, that go directly into crop insurance, the huge, bloated subsidies, the taxpayer dollars, that go to these companies that, by any measurement, are the most profitable insurance companies in America--Federal crop insurance, with 17.8 percent profits; and private property and casualty insurance, with 8.3 percent.
I know crop insurance is different; they have Federal rules. But in the end, this profit is all about taxpayer subsidy. This is the same kind of profit that a private property and casualty insurance company has. It is taxpayer dollars from taxpayers in Providence, RI; Topeka, KS; Columbus, GA; and Mansfield, OH.
I heard Senator Conrad's discussion of a Grant Thornton analysis over the last dozen or so years. I don't know who paid for that study. It doesn't matter. I know who paid for the GAO study, and I know about the professionalism, even though called into question by my friend from Kansas, when the audits don't come out the way some people want them to. I know about their professionalism and what they said about crop insurance, and I know what they said about overpayments and profitability.
Most importantly, that study from Grant Thornton looks over a period of many years. I probably would not have offered this amendment in 1999, 2000, 2001, or 2002. But look at where we are today. Look at the subsidies we provide to crop insurance from taxpayer dollars. I repeat that these are taxpayer dollars, the subsidies to these crop insurance companies: $723, $696, $830 per policy with the subsidy, leading up to this year, when the policy jumps to a $1,172 subsidy.
All we are saying is to take this huge overpayment from this year and go back to the already very profitable year in 2006. This is not a debate about what farmers get. Farmers' premiums don't increase. They will get the same services. Farmers will still have the same access, in spite of what some people say, to these crop insurance policies. So it is a matter of whose side you are on. Are you on the side of the farmers or the taxpayers and the side of conservation and nutrition? Or are you on the side of a very small number of crop insurance companies that are reaping huge profits, getting huge subsidies, getting bloated numbers of dollars from taxpayers in their pockets? Whose side will you be on? We should be on the side of the family farmers and taxpayers.
I reserve the remainder of my time, and I will close after Senator Chambliss uses his last couple of minutes.
Mr. President, I will not use all my time. I have a couple of points. Several of the speakers have said that the committee already made substantial cuts in crop insurance subsidies from the Government. That is not quite true. There was a bit of a cut, but the cuts were much less than the House of Representatives had in their bill. The House made cuts in the shared risk and the A&O, the administration and operating expenses. They say the crop insurance companies were already cut by $3.5 billion. The vast majority of these savings were due to the sleight of hand, the shifts in time. The CBO cost estimate indicates that only $700 million were actually cut.
According to the CBO, the supplemental disaster package adds an additional $2.1 billion to crop insurance. So they took a little here and added more there. It adds up to a net gain of $1.5 billion to crop insurance companies. Their lobby is strong and they are doing well. They have a lot of influence on this body. But the fact is, in the end, this is about one thing: This chart shows that the majority of crop insurance spending goes to insurers, not family farmers or large farmers--not to farmers, period. A majority of this money--the underwriting gains paid to companies was $840 million. Administrative subsidies paid to companies was $960 million. Fifty percent of crop insurance spending goes to crop insurance companies, not to farmers.
About $10.5 billion in the last 7 years has gone to farmers benefiting from the crop insurance program, but it took $19 billion from taxpayers to pay them that $10 billion. What kind of program is that? We get $10 billion in public benefits, but it takes $19 billion to provide those public benefits. No other Federal program does it that way. If it were Medicare, we would bring them in here and have hearings and destroy them if they were spending that much of the services they are supposed to provide, with that much in administrative costs. Again, over 50 percent--more than half--of crop insurance spending goes to insurers, not farmers.
The Brown-Sununu-McCaskill amendment will do what we need to do. It will say no more bloated, oversubsidized spending, no more taxpayer dollars of this magnitude will go to the crop insurance companies. Let's use that money for nutrition, for conservation--and, again, don't forget, hundreds of millions of dollars from the Brown-Sununu-McCaskill amendment will go to reduce the national debt. Taxpayers save, family farmers are better off, and the natural resources in this country-- something Senator Harkin has worked so effectively on for so many years--will make all of the difference in this. I ask my colleagues to vote for the Brown-Sununu-McCaskill amendment.
I yield the floor.
Mr. President, I will yield whatever time I have left to Senator Harkin.
Mr. President, I yield back our time on the amendment. I thank the Senator from Iowa.