The Problem With U.S. Policy In The Middle East
Mr. Speaker, I also want to extend my sympathies to the family of the prisoner on behalf of myself and my family and the citizens of the 17th Congressional District in Ohio, and really all Americans. We are reminded, unfortunately, daily…
Mr. Speaker, I also want to extend my sympathies to the family of the prisoner on behalf of myself and my family and the citizens of the 17th Congressional District in Ohio, and really all Americans. We are reminded, unfortunately, daily about the struggles that we do have here and how real they are, and when you see the kind of torture and the kind of treatment and the kind of abuse and the murdering that go on every day in Iraq, in Afghanistan and, unfortunately, now in Saudi Arabia and many other countries, I think we are all beginning to question more and more and I think at deeper and deeper levels about the policy of our government and its effect on the credibility of this country.
I think ultimately we come to this House floor with a certain amount of humility. President Reagan had his peace through strength, and I think it is easy for the bully to go around and kick people around, and we have had to do that on a number of occasions. We needed to do that in Afghanistan, and we did it in Iraq to a certain extent; but we have now gotten ourselves bogged down in a situation that I believe is making the American people less safe than they were before we went to war in Iraq.
I just want to share some thoughts. We are wrapping this congressional session up here for the week. We are on our way to catch some planes back home. But we wanted to come down here and share some of our thoughts, because there is this growing amount of frustration among many of us, not only those of us who sit on the Committee on Armed Services, those of us who have consistently backed the troops with the defense appropriations bills that I voted for and the gentleman voted for. No one can come to you orally and say you are not supportive of the troops. We put the money where our mouth is, and we are saying we support the troops, and we voted for the defense appropriations. We worked it through committee; we made sure there were the proper modifications after the war already began.
But the question we have here is really of two different strategies. The one strategy was take the $200 billion that you are going to spend in Iraq, and take that money and not only invest it in the United States, but use it like we passed today the Homeland Security bill, use more of that money to secure our ports, to make sure people are looking through the cargo that is coming into the country.
One or two out of 50 ships that actually come into the ports actually get checked. If you ask the American people, would you rather spend $200 billion in Iraq or would you rather spend that money looking through and hiring people to work at our cargo ports, I think the decision is clear.
We put ourselves in this predicament that it is going to be very, very difficult for us to get out of. I am not saying we should cut and run. We have to do the best we can there.
Another point that I want to make is that we had the opportunity. If we wanted to set up an Arab democracy in the Middle East, we could have done it with Afghanistan. Talk about a tragedy, is what we have done in Afghanistan.
We went in there, and now we only have 10,000 to 12,000 troops in Afghanistan, when in fact we have 130,000-some in Iraq. Osama bin Laden was in Afghanistan; the Taliban that was the home of al Qaeda was in Afghanistan. That is where we needed to be.
If you wanted to set up an Arab democracy, we had the opportunity to do that in Afghanistan. As we learned a couple weeks ago in committee with the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Myers, when we began to talk about the drug production in Afghanistan, which is the funding mechanism for al Qaeda, billions of dollars in heroin is grown in Afghanistan, is sold, the money goes to al Qaeda and these different terrorist organizations, and they use that money to fund terrorist attacks all around the world.
So we need to go to the heart of it. We need to cut out their financing. We did that through the special organizations and the nonprofits, and a lot of these that people had here in the United States, but we also needed to go into Afghanistan and we needed to rid them of the poppy and get rid of it. And the answer we got from the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, when I asked him directly what are we doing about drug sales, drug production in Afghanistan, because it seems like at least at this point that is the only crop that they can grow, and the answer was stunning. I think the American people need to know this. The answer was: they harvested the crop early this year, and so we did not have the opportunity to stop them.
Let me repeat that. The answer from the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and the policy of the United States in response to a question by a Member of Congress as to what are we doing about getting rid of the drugs in Afghanistan, the answer is: they harvested the crop early.
Mr. Speaker, we want to include our good friend, the gentlewoman from Cleveland, Ohio (Mrs. Jones), from the good old Buckeye State, but before I yield to her, I
want to say that obviously we do not have enough troops in Afghanistan. So here we are in Iraq doing what we are doing with 130,000 troops, we only have between 10,000 and 15,000, I do not know the exact number, I think it is about 13,000 troops in Afghanistan right now. Now, just imagine if we took some of the money that we are spending in Iraq and we used it for homeland security and we took some of the money and some of the troops that we are using there and we had them in Afghanistan, Afghanistan has natural resources we could be developing, the water infrastructure we could be developing in Afghanistan, and setting up an Arab democracy. Is that not what we want to do? Was that not the goal after hearing about weapons of mass destruction, hearing that al Qaeda is tied to Iraq, and Iraq is tied to 9/11 and they have weapons pointed at us, there is an imminent threat and all of this other nonsense that we heard before the war. But then the story eventually changed, and there is always that undercurrent of: we need an Arab democracy in the Middle East for stability purposes. Why did we not do that in Afghanistan?
We have many, many other points to make here, but I would like to begin to include our good friend here from Cleveland, Ohio into the discussion, and I am happy to yield to the gentlewoman, who is my surrogate mother here in the United States Congress.
Mr. Speaker, if the gentlewoman would yield, as the gentlewoman brought up, this is the latest with the Red Cross, that we first said that this was just an isolated incident. This is just a few wild folks we have working with us and it is an isolated incident. Now we find out that the Secretary of Defense is the one saying pull him aside over here and put him back here and do not put a number on him.
It is the same with the Halliburton contract. Vice President Cheney for months and months said, I do not have anything to do with it. My office does not have anything to do with this Halliburton contract. Well, we find out earlier this week, it has been a long week, earlier this week that Scooter Libby, the Chief of Staff of the Vice President of the United States, okayed the contract to Halliburton. It went right through his office. You cannot tell me that the Vice President did not know anything about it.
So when you keep looking, we see the subversion of the Geneva Convention. All of a sudden in the United States of America, we have lawyers saying, well, Mr. President, you do not have to follow the Geneva Convention. Why would you want to follow the Geneva Convention? Some people out there are saying, yes, we would like to get these guys and treat them maybe the way they deserve to be treated. But when we look at what has happened today with the beheading and the murder that happened today in Saudi Arabia, where is the moral high ground in the United States? Where do we come out, and what can we possibly say? I yield to the gentleman.
Mr. Speaker, I want the gentleman to repeat that, because that is a very important point and we need to share this with the American people. Reiterate that point, about the man doing the investigation.
So the gentleman is saying that if there was a 3- star or a 4-star or any officer above a 2-star, General Taguba could not investigate?
That is the way the military runs. You cannot have someone low on the chain of command investigating Jack Nicholson, the top dog.
As I begin to wrap up here, I want to make a final statement that maybe next week, to the gentleman from Florida, I have about 6 pages here that a member of my staff put together for me, Dean Thomas who does my military work, that has about 6 pages' worth of claims by the administration, President, Vice President, different Secretaries; and then it has the facts.
Let me suggest that maybe next week the gentleman and I come down here, whether it is with our 30-something hour or maybe another Special Order, and we go through these because it is astonishing to me that in the United States of America we can have a commission put together, a bipartisan commission, the likes of Lee Hamilton and Senator Kerry and the distinguished group that we have with the 9/11 Commission, and the commission issues a report and the report says what we have known for many, many months, and that is that there is absolutely no connection between Iraq, Saddam Hussein, and al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden, two separate entities that did not want to work together.
And to have the administration just come out and just keep repeating the fact that they have a connection is a slap in the face to the American people. And that is not the only claim. We talked about the Halliburton claim that was denied and found out to be true. We found out the claim, it was only a couple of soldiers; now we found out it is more of a systemic problem.
The American people need to know what the facts are, and just because the administration wants to keep repeating what they want the world to be like and what they want the situation to be like, as opposed to what the truth is; and hopefully next week and over the course of the next few weeks and the next few months we can really try to shape the debate here and move the ship back to the truth. Because I get very, very frightened when the majority of the American people think that Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11 and Iraq has connections, direct connection, military connections and terrorist connections with al Qaeda, when everyone is saying it is not true, when the experts are saying it is not true, when the CIA is saying it is not true, when the 9/11 Commission says it is not true.
And the administration keeps repeating it just to muck up the waters, just to make it unclear, just because people are working two or three jobs and they are worried about getting their kid a pair of tennis shoes and some health care, and they do not have time to pay attention.
So, hopefully, over the course of the next few months, the gentleman and I and maybe other Members of this Chamber, we can try to establish what the truth is and what the facts are and let the American people make the kind of decision that they want to make it, and they can make it at least in an informed way.
Then when we get this information through the newspapers or through some other entity where we can get it, and then when we get the information and we try to share the information, people were questioning, why are we doing this? And I think the short answer is with the war and all the preliminaries of the war, with the weapons of mass destruction, and the ties to 9/11 and greeted as liberators and we do not need 200,000 troops, we are going to use the oil as revenue to fund the war, all of these things that have been said and now denial of Halliburton, and then saying it is an isolated incident when in fact it seems like more of a systemic problem that we have, detaining prisoners and keeping them away from the Red Cross.
Why are we bringing this up? Because it is wrong. That is wrong. It is not right that you do that. The way we got into the predicament right now, I just could not disagree more with how this all transpired. And if the original reason was you wanted to go to the Middle East to set up an Arab democracy, tell the American people that and let them answer yes or no with their support for or against it. But do not give us all those reasons that there is going to be a mushroom cloud in Cincinnati when we have a dictator that is writing romance novels, boxed in in the fly zone and the sanctions were working.
So do not mislead the American public with this. This is wrong, and we have to say it is wrong. We have to call a spade a spade here.
Hopefully, over the hours of the next few weeks and months, we can be able to do that.