Madam Speaker, pursuant to House Resolution 1372, I call up the bill (H.R. 8873) to amend title 3, United States Code, to reform the process for the counting of electoral votes, and for other purposes, and ask for its immediate…
Madam Speaker, pursuant to House Resolution 1372, I call up the bill (H.R. 8873) to amend title 3, United States Code, to reform the process for the counting of electoral votes, and for other purposes, and ask for its immediate consideration in the House.
Madam Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that all Members may have 5 legislative days in which to revise and extend their remarks and insert extraneous material on H.R. 8873 into the Record.
Madam Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Madam Speaker, I rise today in strong support of H.R. 8873, the Presidential Election Reform Act.
This bipartisan bill is a product of over 2 years of work, first on the Committee on House Administration and subsequently on the January 6th Select Committee.
Working in partnership with Representative Liz Cheney, we have had extensive consultation with bipartisan law professors, former judges, and other experts. We have engaged in a fulsome, thoughtful, nonpartisan process, and where Ms. Cheney and I didn't always agree, we compromised, in the great tradition of the legislative process.
I thank my friend, colleague, and the vice chair of the January 6th Committee, Liz Cheney. Her partnership, leadership, intelligence, and, frankly, her courage have been invaluable to the select committee's work and to the development of this bill.
I want to be very clear: In revising the Electoral Count Act and related laws, that in no way condones the actions of the ex-President and his allies. Indeed, Dr. John Eastman openly admitted that his plan violated the Electoral Count Act. President Trump was told the same.
But this bill will make it harder to convince people that they have the right to overthrow the election. Here are a few things the bill does.
First, this bill reaffirms that the Vice President's authority at the electoral count is ministerial. The Vice President's authority has always been ministerial and always will be ministerial, but as we saw in 2020, former President Trump and his allies sought to unlawfully exploit the ECA to suggest otherwise.
The bill will also enact new electoral counting rules for Congress. Previously, just a few Members of each House were able to derail the proceedings with frivolous objections. That will no longer be the case.
Under this bill, no objection will be heard unless one-third of each House supports it, and the only objections that will be permitted are those that are rooted in the Constitution itself, a narrow set of issues.
The bill also prevents State and local election subversion. For example, Governors will be required to submit their State's lawful certificate of appointment, and Federal courts will be empowered to force them to do so if they refuse.
Ultimately, this bill is about protecting the will of the American voters, which is a principle that is beyond partisanship. The bottom line is this: If you want to object to the vote, you better have your colleagues and the Constitution on your side. Don't try to overturn our democracy.
Madam Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Madam Speaker, on January 6, the President had whipped up a mob, told them that the Vice President could overturn the election, and a majority of the Republicans in this House voted to reject the decision made by American voters as reflected in the electoral college for no reason whatsoever, other than sham fraud claims.
Madam Speaker, I yield 5 minutes to the gentlewoman from Wyoming (Ms. Cheney), the vice chair of the January 6th Select Committee.
Madam Speaker, I yield an additional 1 minute to the gentlewoman.
Madam Speaker, the January 6th Committee has as its obligation to recommend legislative changes that would make the country safer. We have done that.
I will say that the partisan split in the House Administration Committee has always been six majority, three minority. On the select committee, it is not that far off, seven majority, two minority.
We have worked together, and I hear Mr. Davis' concern that he didn't participate. It wasn't me. It was Leader McCarthy that withdrew his name. Had his name been left in, he would have been a member of the committee, and he would have been able to participate in the obligation our committee has undertaken.
Madam Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from Maryland (Mr. Hoyer), our majority leader.
Madam Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Madam Speaker, just a quick correction. Right now and in the 2020 election, we had States that said, gosh, there is fraud. It was completely bogus, but they tried to monkey with the system. This bill prevents that.
It defines a major natural disaster as any natural catastrophe, including hurricane, tornado, historically significant widespread snowstorm, historically significant widespread flooding, historically significant destructive fire, tidal wave, tsunami, earthquake, or volcanic eruption that prevents a large sector of a State from voting enough that it could impact the election.
Then it limits how long you could accommodate that disaster. The decision isn't made by partisans. It is Federal judges who would make that determination.
Madam Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from California (Mr. Aguilar), an esteemed member of the January 6 Select Committee.
Madam Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentlewoman from Massachusetts (Ms. Clark).
Madam Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentlewoman from California (Ms. Pelosi), the Speaker of the House.
Madam Speaker, just a correction. What I actually said in the Rules Committee is I hope we pass this bill. The Senate will pass a bill. They are doing a markup in the Rules Committee next week. If they are different, there is generally a conference committee.
Madam Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from New York (Mr. Jeffries).
Madam Speaker, I yield 1\1/2\ minutes to the gentlewoman from New Mexico (Ms. Leger Fernandez).
Madam Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from Rhode Island (Mr. Langevin).
Madam Speaker, I am pleased to yield 2 minutes to the gentlewoman from Wyoming (Ms. Cheney), the vice chair of the January 6th Select Committee.
Madam Speaker, we are prepared to close, and I reserve the balance of my time.
Madam Speaker, may I inquire how much time remains?
Madam Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
I think it is important to talk about the January 6th Select Committee. Since its creation more than a year ago, the select committee has given substantial attention to the issues related to the Electoral Count Act and its need for reform.
Let's recall that in addition to finding out all the facts of the events leading up to January 6, the select committee is tasked with recommending changes in the law or in procedures that will prevent such an occurrence in the future.
The select committee has devoted multiple public hearings, over more than 4\1/2\ hours, to issues related to the Electoral Count Act and the former President's efforts to overturn the election on January 6.
During these hearings, the committee heard from at least four witnesses regarding the electoral college votes and other issues related to the act.
Importantly, conservative judge, Michael Luttig, who is a legal expert and served in the Reagan administration and was appointed by President H.W. Bush to the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit, testified
before the select committee that the Electoral Count Act, `` . . . is not only a work in progress for the country, but at this moment in history an important work in progress that needs to take place.''
He testified with reference to the Electoral Count Act that, `` . . . Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present danger to American democracy.''
Now, why is that?
Because even though the presiding officer of the Senate, the Vice President, has never had more than a ministerial role to play in the counting of the votes, the former President told people that he could change the outcome. He said so in his speech. He said so in tweets. He threatened the Vice President. And we saw that that armed mob that came here to attack us believed what the former President said.
In fact, they read allowed the tweets as he delivered them, and how Mike Pence had disappointed him.
Madam Speaker, Judge Luttig said this about the bill that Ms. Cheney and I have introduced: ``Had this bill, the Presidential Election Reform Act, been the law during the 2020 Presidential election, there never would have been the fateful January 6 that the country witnessed and experienced that day.''
He also went on to say this bill is masterfully drafted. Now, why would he say that?
Well, it is. But we also sought his considered judgment and expertise as we crafted this bill.
Madam Speaker, I include in the Record his remarks on this:
This week, Congresswoman Liz Cheney and Congresswoman Zoe
Lofgren introduced a bipartisan bill in the House to reform
the Electoral Count Act of 1887. This bill represents a
comprehensive and compelling Rule of Law overhaul of the
anachronistic ECA.
Had this bill, the Presidential Election Reform Act, been
the law during the 2020 Presidential election, there never
would have been the fateful January 6 that the country
witnessed and experienced that day.
Indeed, had this bill been the law before the 1876
presidential election, which was the impetus for the current
Electoral Count Act, the country never would have experienced
the election upheaval of that quadrennial presidential
election.
The Cheney-Lofgren bill is masterfully drafted so as to
require the state governors to transmit to Congress only what
are defined by the bill as the `conclusive' electoral votes
for the presidency representing the popular vote of the
states, a transmittal that will only occur after any and all
disputes over those votes have been resolved by the state and
federal courts.
Then, during the Joint Session, Congress will be allowed
only a few, very narrow grounds to object to these
`conclusive' votes, all of which grounds are related to the
technical constitutional qualifications of the electors or
their electoral votes.
Thirty percent of each, the Senate and the House, must
concur in an objection in order for it to be put before the
two Chambers of Congress for resolution and decision. An
objection must be agreed upon by fifty percent of both
chambers in order for it to be sustained.
With the Cheney-Lofgren bipartisan bill scheduled to be
voted on in the House tomorrow, it now appears that there is
not only bipartisan, but also bicameral, support for the
desperately-needed reform of the ECA.
I urge the Senate and the House to quickly conference and
resolve their differences in a law that will ensure there
will never again be another January 6 in America.
Madam Speaker, this is a bill that has been well received across the political spectrum.
Now, we have got a Wall Street Journal report saying: ``The good news is that the House now has a bill to update the 1887 Electoral Count Act. . . . '' They go on to say, ``There's no excuse for Congress's delay in fixing this invitation to political trouble.''
Madam Speaker, I include in the Record an article from the Wall Street Journal and an article from the Washington Post.
[From the Wall Street Journal, Sept. 20, 2022]
Liz Cheney's Electoral Count Act Bill to Stop a Jan. 6 Repeat
(By the Editorial Board)
The good news is that the House now has a bill to update
the 1887 Electoral Count Act, the antiquated law implicated
in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot. Even better, the legislation
unveiled this week by Republican Liz Cheney and Democrat Zoe
Lofgren reads like it's an improvement, in some respects, of
the Senate version.
The House plan says the Vice President's role when Congress
tallies the Electoral College ``is ministerial.'' The VP
can't on his own ``order any delay in counting.'' This
responds to President Trump's claim in 2020 that Mike Pence
could seize control of the joint session. Mr. Trump's legal
argument relied on a lack of clarity in the 12th Amendment,
which can't be fixed by statute. Still, it would be helpful
to have Mr. Trump's theory contradicted by the law and
Congress's explicit procedure.
The House bill says Electoral College certificates ``shall
be accepted as conclusive'' if submitted by a state's
Governor, unless a court orders otherwise. If a rogue
Governor refuses to certify the real winner, federal courts
could ``direct another official of the State'' to complete
the job. A three-judge panel would preside, with appeal to
the Supreme Court. The date for electors to vote would be
pushed to Dec. 23, providing more room for challenges to play
out.
Where the House bill might be an improvement is in making
it harder for partisans in Congress who want to get C-Span-
famous to lodge phony Electoral College objections. Only a
specified set of complaints would be heard, such as if a
state sends too many electors; if electors vote on the wrong
day or are ineligible; or if the presidential or vice
presidential candidate is ineligible. No whining on the House
floor that somebody had a funny feeling about the vote totals
in west southeastern Pennsylvania.
The Senate bill offers similar finality to the Governor's
certificate. Yet it would continue to permit Congress to
object vaguely that an elector's vote wasn't ``regularly
given.'' That's the same phrase Congress has abused for
years, and in 2020 an alarming 147 House and Senate
Republicans objected. An ideal reform would stop this
grandstanding. Hence, the House bill's idea to enumerate
specific grounds for legitimate objections.
Ms. Cheney and Ms. Lofgren also propose to lift the
threshold for objections. Under the current Electoral Count
Act, a single Senator working with a single Representative
can force Congress to debate their wild claims. The Senate
bill would require signatures from a fifth of each chamber.
The House bill raises that to a third. How about they keep
going and compromise at two fifths? More is better, but
requiring 33 Senators is better than needing only Sen. Josh
Hawley or Rep. Jim Clyburn.
The best approach remains for lawmakers to get out of this
objection business and leave such disputes to the courts. The
House bill retains a purported authority to reject Electoral
College votes if Congress decides that the incoming President
is constitutionally ineligible. But isn't 14 days before
Inauguration Day a little late for that, folks? Imagine if
President Trump wins a landslide in 2024 and then Democrats
move to invalidate his electors, saying that Mr. Trump led an
``insurrection'' as defined under the 14th Amendment.
Perhaps it's unrealistic to expect lawmakers to give up the
power they arrogated in 1887, but the madness of Jan. 6,
2021, should have made a convincing case. It's asking for
trouble to enshrine any political process for overturning the
will of the voters two weeks before the transfer of power is
scheduled to take place. Last time it was voting machines in
Michigan, and before that it was Russian interference, and
before that it was voting machines in Ohio . . . but it's
always something for Congress's partisans.
Nevertheless, a bill to make that prospect less likely goes
in the right direction, especially if it cuts off the
microphone for the sour grapes and conspiracy theories that
marred the counting after 2000, 2004, 2016 and 2020.
This reform should have been the top priority for Congress
and the Jan. 6 committee from the beginning, but their
priority has been replaying the riot rather than trying to
prevent the next one. Let's hope it isn't too late in this
Congress to get this done at last.
Madam Speaker, I was very happy to get that support from the organization, from The Wall Street Journal, but we also got kudos from Cato, that well-known conservative institution, that they say this bill is actually more conservative and originalist as compared to other measures.
It is not every day that the Center for American Progress and the Cato Institute see it the same way. But they do in this case. Both organizations, right to left, agree that this is an appropriate step to take and that it will help make our country safer.
Madam Speaker, I would address a couple other issues before closing.
First, it is unfortunate that my friend, Mr. Davis, has said something that is clearly inaccurate. In the bill itself it defines what is a disaster. It is not somebody saying, gosh, there's COVID. It is a tightly defined set of catastrophes that will be decided by a Federal three-judge panel and will be limited just in time and scope so that people could have their votes cast and counted.
I also want to address something I think is very unfortunate, the suggestion that somehow I had a role in trying to overturn the election in Iowa. Nothing could be further from the truth.
The Federal Contested Election Act says this:
A candidate challenging an election, is required within 30
days after the result of their election, to file with the
clerk and serve upon the contestee written notice of the
intention to contest an election.
Once that is done, it is assigned to the House administration committee. It wasn't my idea. That is what our rule says. And there is a process that has to be undertaken.
Now, we didn't finish that process because the contestee withdrew, which was her right, and frankly, I was glad that the matter was terminated. But that is just what the law requires.
Madam Speaker, I would make a final comment about the objections under this proposed law. It is true that Members of both sides of the aisle have randomly objected to certification of the electoral college. I think, honestly, that is unfortunate. But we never saw a majority of one party vote to overturn the election as we did on January 6 of 2020.
What this bill would do would be to make sure you could never have those kinds of objections in the future. We did some research. We believe that under our bill, not a single objection in the last 100 years would have been allowed under this bill. The last example was a disagreement in 1873 about whether a candidate who passed away after the election still qualified as a person for Article II purposes. That would be covered under the limited set.
But this would put an end to using frivolous challenges to the electoral count. And that is another good reason why we should pass this bill today.
Madam Speaker, 234 years ago, the authors of The Federalist Papers asked this: ``Who are to be the electors of the Federal Representatives? Not the rich, more than the poor; not the learned, more than the ignorant; not the haughty heirs of distinguished names, more than the humble sons of obscurity. . . . The electors are to be the great body of the people of the United States.''
That is the message that resonates to this day. This bill will ensure that the voice of the American people is the final word on the future of our Republic.
All told, the reforms in this bill confine Congress to its true narrow role in Presidential elections under the 12th Amendment.
I hope and trust that my colleagues on both sides of the aisle would join us in this critical effort to protect American democracy and to ensure, in President Lincoln's words at Gettysburg, ``that government of the people, by the people,'' and ``for the people'' long endures.
Madam Speaker, I urge all my colleagues to support this bill, and I yield back the balance of my time.