Military Housing Improvement Act of 2004
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Read twice and referred to the Committee on Armed Services.
September 7, 2004
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Introduced in House
July 21, 2004
Mr. Hunter moved to suspend the rules and pass the bill.
July 21, 2004 • 4:12 PM
Considered under suspension of the rules. (consideration: CR H6489-6495; text of measure as introduced: CR H6489)
July 21, 2004 • 4:13 PM
DEBATE - The House proceeded with forty minutes of debate on H.R. 4879.
July 21, 2004 • 4:13 PM
At the conclusion of debate, the Yeas and Nays were demanded and ordered. Pursuant to the provisions of clause 8, rule XX, the Chair announced that further proceedings on the motion would be postponed.
July 21, 2004 • 5:01 PM
Considered as unfinished business. (consideration: CR H6498)
July 21, 2004 • 5:45 PM
Passed/agreed to in House: On motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 423 - 0 (Roll no. 406).
July 21, 2004 • 5:53 PM
On motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 423 - 0 (Roll no. 406).
July 21, 2004 • 5:53 PM
Received in the Senate.
July 22, 2004
Read twice and referred to the Committee on Armed Services.
September 7, 2004
Voting History
1 vote recorded • Roll call available
Floor Debate
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Floor Debate
20 membersWhat members said about H.R. 4879 on the floor
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word. Mr. Chairman, I would like to bring Members back up to date on what has happened on the legislation which we started considering yesterday. This bill…
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
Mr. Chairman, I would like to bring Members back up to date on what has happened on the legislation which we started considering yesterday.
This bill funds military construction, which includes a lot of quality of life programs for our military men and women and their families. The funding level is $10 billion, and I am disappointed that the actual funding level is only a 1.6 percent increase over military construction last year, which after inflation is actually a real cut in military construction funding during a time of war.
I think that is inexcusable given our war in Afghanistan and Iraq. This bill appropriates $489 million below what we actually spent for military construction 2 years ago before the Iraqi war even began. And even worse, it is $900 million below what President Bush said would be needed this year, just 12 months ago when he made that prediction.
Despite the fact that we are actually increasing military construction, not even enough funds to make up for inflation, we have 39,000 Army families living in inadequate housing, 34,000 Army barracks are inadequate, 70 percent of Army facilities are C-3 or C-4, which means they are mission impaired, 16,000 Navy and Marine Corps families live in inadequate housing, 31,000 Air Force families live in inadequate housing.
Given this inadequate allocation to address the real priority of military housing and construction and quality of life programs, I commend the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Knollenberg). He has worked in a thorough and fair manner to take what is a wholly inadequate amount of funding for military construction and to spend that money as wisely and fairly and as carefully as possible, and I salute him in that effort.
The best thing about this bill, at least in this moment, is it prevents a looming crisis in military housing construction. That crisis is, if we do not allow an amendment passed by the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Knollenberg) in this bill to stay in this bill, this November we are going to put a freeze immediately on 24,000 new military homes throughout the United States, and that will delay by another year homes for another 26,000 military families next year.
So we are going to basically either freeze or delay new housing for 50,000 military families across 22 States, even recognizing some of those families have loved ones serving in Iraq and Afghanistan.
To recap further, unfortunately yesterday the House leadership strong-armed an atrocious rule through this House, a rule that I consider to be a slap in the face of every military family in America, a rule that took 20 to 25 minutes of extra arm twisting so it could pass by one vote. That rule, pushed by the Speaker and the majority leader, will allow one Member out of 435 in this House in the next few moments to basically kill our effort to resolve the military housing crisis, and every Member of the House who voted on that rule knew exactly what was going to happen when they voted for it.
I find it unbelievable that the same House leadership that just 2 months ago on the day that the Armed Services bill put a cap on this bill at the same level that will force this crisis, on that very same day the House leadership supported a $69 billion tax cut that will give Members of Congress a tax cut.
So here we are, the leadership is pushing tax cuts for Members of Congress, they can find time to rename dozens of post offices, they can find the money to push the $69 billion tax cut, but when it comes to protecting a promise of better housing for our military men and women and their families, the House leadership sadly and unfairly said, no, we cannot do that.
I yield to the gentleman from Washington.
Mr. Chairman, I yield to the gentleman from Washington (Mr. Dicks).
Six thousand new Army homes.
Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman for his eloquent comments and his leadership and strong support for better quality housing for our families.
I want to summarize where we are. Basically, the same House leadership that said just 2 months ago on the same day we refused to increase the cap so 50,000 new military families over the next 2 years could get new housing, in the same day they push through a $69 billion tax cut that is going to give me a $2,000 tax break.
We could afford the tax break for Members of Congress but we could not afford to take care of our promise of better housing for military families.
Now, the gentleman talked about a poke in the eye. The final poke in the eye is this is not the only bad news that the servicemen and women and veterans are going to hear today, because the same leadership that could support the tax cuts for Members of Congress could not find a way to improve housing and fund that program for military families, the most important effective housing improvement program for our military in our Nation's history. Guess what, in the Committee on Appropriations today we voted out a veterans' health care appropriations bill that basically, well, let me tell you what the National Commander of Disabled American Veterans says about it.
``To the veterans of this Nation it is incomprehensive that our government cannot afford to fund their medical care and benefits programs at a time it can afford generous tax cuts costing hundreds of billions of dollars more.''
The American Legion, the DAV, the VFW all went on to say that the leadership-pushed veterans' health care bill today is going to cut, after inflation, real veterans' health care services by $1.3 billion.
Now with the action of the leadership yesterday on the rule and one Member of the House today, we will say to 50,000 military families, we will break our promise to you of better housing.
I think that is a terrible message for us to send our military families. While we go on a month long recess and vacation they are sitting there looking at veterans' health care cuts and frozen programs.
Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
Let me put a face on these people.
We are talking about 1,194 military families at Elmendorf Air Force Base in Alaska will next year have their housing delayed. In New York at Fort Drum, 2,272 military families, many of whom had loved ones that had already served in Iraq, will have their housing program this year frozen. In Florida, Eglin and Hurlburt Air Force Bases 2,739 military families will have their housing promises broken. In Virginia 1,268 families at Langley. In Texas, Sheppard Air Force Base 1,288 families.
This is one more broken promise to our military families at a time when they are making incredible sacrifices to our country.
What it does, we talked about a 1.6 percent increase for military construction in this bill, but the truth is that once this objection is raised then that will not allow us to even spend that meager amount of funding for our housing program. So we could end up with an actual cut not only in veterans' health care during a time of war this year, we could end up with an actual cut in military construction during a time of war. That is unconscionable coming from a leadership that said we could afford to give Members of Congress a tax cut just 2 months ago.
Mr. Chairman, let me first say that I worked for 6 months on a bipartisan basis, talking to everyone from the gentleman from Iowa (Mr. Nussle), the chairman of the Committee on the Budget; and the chairman of the authorizing committee to try to solve this in a bipartisan manner behind the scenes. At every step of the way for 6 months people said, well, it will get done, it will get done.
The problem is, we are about to take our August recess and it is not done.
Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman for yielding.
First, let me respond to the gentleman from California's (Mr. Lewis) comments that both parties, every Member cares about our troops. I absolutely agree with that. In fact, let me repeat the statement I made on the floor yesterday on this subject, and I quote myself, ``Every one of us, Democrat and Republican alike, genuinely respects the service and sacrifice of our troops and their families. No one should doubt that fact, but I strongly believe our budget priorities should better reflect that respect.''
Those were my comments. Let me talk about partisanship.
It was the Republican leadership that shoved through a rule last night or on the floor yesterday that was done on a partisan basis. In fact, it was so partisan they had to leave the vote open an extra 20, 25 minutes to, on a partisan basis, force Republicans or convince Republicans to vote against their own interests in their own districts to support a rule that is allowing 50,000 military family housing to be put at risk.
Secondly, the Committee on the Budget, as I last recall, and I am a member of that committee, put together its budget on a partisan basis. That is where the partisanship came in, if it came in at all.
But to totally put to bed any idea that this is a partisan issue, I have letters.
Mr. Chairman, the Air Force Association sent a letter to the chairman of the Committee on Rules asking them to not pass the rule that they did.
The Association of the U.S. Army, a letter signed by General Gordon Sullivan, former chief of staff for the Army, put in there that ``RCI,'' the Army's housing program, ``has a tremendous positive impact on quality of life for our soldiers.
``I would ask that you work to ensure the amendment'' to protect housing ``is protected by the Rules Committee and reaches the House floor.''
The Military Officers Association of America asks that the House leadership not shove through a partisan rule that would be unfair to military families.
So did the National Military Family Association.
I do not think any of our colleagues would suggest that the Association of the U.S. Army and the Military Officers Association of America and these other military organizations are acting out of a partisan basis. This does not have anything to do with partisanship. It has to do with standing up for fairness for military families who are making an incredible sacrifice for the American family during a time of war; and in doing so, I will not hesitate to stand up to the Republican leadership of this House which shoved through a rule that is going to allow this housing to be put at risk, and I will not hesitate to stand up to any Democrats who would hesitate in fully supporting military housing.
We all support our troops, but we have an opportunity by passing this bill without a point of order to do something tangible about it. Good intentions, goodwill do not provide better housing for 50,000 military families. Passing this bill, as we passed it out of committee in a bipartisan fashion, that is the way to make a difference for military families who are so deserving of this support.
Mr. Chairman, I do.
Mr. Chairman, what a difference 1 hour makes. Less than 1 hour ago on this floor the House of Representatives passed a rule for the defense appropriations bill which waives all points of order against that bill, and yet because the House leadership instructed the Committee on Rules and twisted arms to force many Republican House members to vote on a bill that does not protect a point of order on this, because of that decision, inconsistent with a rule we just passed in this House by unanimous vote less than 60 minutes ago, because of that we are basically going to put at risk the most important military housing improvement program in American history, a program that does not only improve housing and show respect in a tangible way to men and women and families, to children who are making incredible sacrifices for our country, but a measure that is saving taxpayers billions of dollars by building these houses more efficiently.
In a House that ignores technicalities every single day to carry out priorities much less important than quality military housing for our families during a time of war, we are going to put this incredibly important program at risk.
Finally, I want to say this. Let us be clear, this is not today just an action of one person, the gentleman from Iowa (Mr. Nussle). I respect the gentleman. He is a person of principle. I might disagree with the debate on fiscal responsibility when we voted 2 months ago for a $69 billion tax cut that helps Members of Congress and today we cannot afford to take care of a few thousand military families' housing, but I do respect him. He is a person of deep principle.
This is not just an action of the gentleman from Iowa (Mr. Nussle). This was an action which was allowed and encouraged by the House leadership by forcing an unfair rule through this House, a rule that was opposed by the Military Officers Association of America, the Association of the U.S. Army, the Air Force Association, and the National Military Family Association.
This action is also something that was allowed by 212 votes, a passage of that rule by one vote, 212 to 211. One Member changing his or her vote, and we could have prevented this tragedy from happening today.
Mr. Chairman, I would urge the gentleman to consider not recognizing the technicality raised here that will harm tens of thousands of military families during a time of war.
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
Mr. Chairman, I would just like to read into the Record the States and the specific military installations that have just had a guarantee of new housing for their military families taken away from them. Perhaps we will solve this another day. I have been trying to work for 6 months on a bipartisan basis to get this resolved. I am not sure this late in the Congress I have tremendous confidence that it will get resolved, but the real pity is that we could have resolved it today if the leadership had let go through the Committee on Rules the exact same rule we unanimously approved on the military appropriations bill just an hour ago.
The States that have just lost a chance because of this technicality that were allowed by the rule pushed by the leadership that will lose a guarantee to have new military housing for their service men and women are Alabama, Alaska, California, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Mississippi, Missouri, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Texas, Virginia and Wyoming.
To add to the military installations I had already mentioned a few moments ago that will either have their housing frozen this year and, in fact, a promise broken to those military families or have their housing expected in 2006 to be delayed a year would include Fort Knox, Kentucky, 3,380 military families affected by this technical ruling. Fort Rucker in Alabama, 1,516 military families. Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, 1,580 military families. Keesler Air Force Base in Mississippi, 1,682 military families. New Mexico, Holloman Air Force Base, 1,440. Fort Gordon, Georgia, 872 families. Scott Air Force Base in Illinois, 475. MCB in Hawaii, Phase 1, 1,377 families will have their hopes for better housing dashed or delayed for a year or more. Camp Lejeune, an important Marine Corps installation in North Carolina, 838 families. In addition to an additional 3,516 families at Camp Lejeune that this year will have their new housing put on hold.
These are not just numbers and names, these are real men and women, real military families making unbelievable sacrifices in behalf of every family in this House and in our Nation that have just lost the opportunity because of an unfair rule opposed by numerous military organizations exercised, as the gentleman had the right to exercise, just a moment ago a technicality to kill that dream of a new home.
It is a shame that dream has been killed today. I certainly urge those who perhaps did not want it to be taken care of today to work together, and I will pledge to work together in good faith with them to try to solve it in the months ahead, but there was no reason not to give this promise today to our military people. They do not ask to be delayed when they are asked to serve their country. When they are asked to go to combat, they go. When we had an opportunity to stand up for them, we should not have been AWOL. We should not have delayed. We should have taken action. That is what is the most shameful thing about what has happened today on this bill.
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding to me.
Just a few minutes ago my colleagues on the other side of the aisle said we should work together in the days and months ahead to try to ensure the promise to our military families of better housing. I suggest we start right now, and it would be very simple, and we can send a clear message out to our families who have loved ones in harm's way that right now we are going to guarantee them the quality housing they are expecting.
All we need to do is take basically the exact same language that the gentleman from Iowa (Mr. Nussle) put together in the bill he wrote yesterday and passed yesterday, which, by the way, was an example of what the leadership in this House can do when it wants to do something. Let us just adopt that same language in the gentleman from Wisconsin's (Mr. Obey) motion to recommit. It is the same language. What is the difference?
I tell the Members what the difference would be. If we would work together on a bipartisan basis right now not to object to this, we can send an important message to our troops out there and their loved ones that we are going to support them with better housing, especially during this time of war.
The language is the same. The gentleman's bill, H.R. 4879, that we passed yesterday that he talked about says we strike the number $850 million and insert $1.350 billion. The gentleman from Wisconsin's (Mr. Obey) motion to recommit that is now before the floor says let us go from $850 million to $1.3 billion on the limitation of military housing privatization programs. What is the difference?
Let us work together right now. Let us do the right thing. Let us not let a technicality prevent us from doing the right thing for tens of thousands of military families. We can do it together. We do not have to wait a week, a month, and the possibilities of what might or might not happen then. We can doing it right now. I urge this House to do so.
Mr. Speaker, I move to suspend the rules and pass the bill (H.R. 4879) to increase the military housing private investment cap. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that all Members may have 5…
Mr. Speaker, I move to suspend the rules and pass the bill (H.R. 4879) to increase the military housing private investment cap.
Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that all Members may have 5 legislative days within which to revise and extend their remarks on the bill under consideration.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
(Mr. HUNTER asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong support of H.R. 4879, the Military Housing Improvement Act of 2004. We have spent the last several hours debating points of order and budgetary implications of a provision in the Military Construction Appropriations Act to address the housing privatization program. H.R. 4879, I am pleased to say, goes straight to the heart of the matter by raising the cap on the housing privatization program by $500 million, enough to permit DOD to continue the program through fiscal year 2005.
As Member after Member has pointed out today, the Military Housing Privatization Program has been an unqualified success. By leveraging the interest of private sector developers and property managers, housing privatization improves and manages military family housing better, more quickly, and at lower cost than our traditional military construction model.
To date, the housing privatization program has leveraged a government cash contribution of only $500 million to build approximately $5.6 billion in housing construction. Furthermore, privatized housing is a tremendous improvement over existing DOD housing facilities.
Privatized homes are often equipped with new appliances, built to modern standards, well-maintained, and are parts of communities. This is in stark contrast to the patchwork of poorly maintained housing for which DOD is known.
Despite the success of the housing privatization program, a legislative cap will soon bring a halt to the program by preventing DOD from entering into new privatization contracts after November 2004. The FY 2005 National Defense Authorization Act contains a partial fix to this problem. It eliminates the cap in fiscal year 2006. However, it leaves a gap between November 2004 and October 2005 during which DOD would be unable to sign any privatization contracts that would count against the cap. As a result, most projects DOD plans to begin in fiscal year 2005 would be delayed until October 2005. This would affect approximately 24,000 family housing units at at least 16 installations nationwide.
H.R. 4879 addresses this problem by increasing the cap on the program by $500 million, enough to allow DOD to proceed with its privatization program through FY 2005. The program is a success. I urge my colleagues to join with me in ensuring that it continues by supporting this bill.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the distinguished gentleman from Florida (Mr. Young).
Mr. Speaker, on that optimistic note, I yield myself such time as I may consume. Let me just address my friend who just spoke and all Members. This bill does have meaning because every time the full House manifests its will and gives a good majority vote, a good solid vote, that is a very important boost to the process. I would just tell the gentleman that we are going to make sure that by the time the smoke clears and the dust clears in this process, we are going to have these 24,000 units released for construction. It is important to everyone. I might say, also, and I appreciate my friend from Florida and all the great work he has done on this, and all the members of the Committee on Armed Services, that we do have this problem fixed from 2006 on. It is this gap, this bridge this year that we need to fix.
I might mention to my colleagues that the gentleman from Iowa is the author of this provision. I think that bespeaks of his good intentions to get this problem taken care of.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 5 minutes to the distinguished gentleman from Iowa (Mr. Nussle), chairman of the Committee on the Budget.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, let me just say that we have obviously a difference of opinion as to how we get this particular measure forward, how we move it forward. We have got people of goodwill on both sides.
I have recommended today, even though we are the authorizing committee, that we give up some of our turf today and let this thing pass on the appropriations bill. There is obviously a problem with that occurring.
We have got this measure up, which is authored, in fact, by the gentleman from Iowa (Mr. Nussle), chairman of the Committee on the Budget, as evidence of the fact that he wants to get this thing to move forward; and I think if we pass this with an overwhelming vote, manifesting that will of the House is going to help this process.
We have got a long way to go before the dust settles on the spending bills this year. We are going to make sure that this problem is solved this year. The exact parliamentary road for that obviously has not been determined, as is, I think, evidenced by the debate that has taken place.
But I would just ask Members from all positions, from all points, who have one piece of common ground, and that is to get this very important housing measure passed, to work together on this thing and move forward.
I yield to the gentleman from Washington.
Mr. Speaker, reclaiming my time from my very good colleague, and I just remind him that no objection has been heard yet on the MILCON bill, and I would just would ask the gentleman, the chairman of the Budget Committee, to look at this as a very extraordinary situation, because it is an extraordinary situation in that we have a very unusual scoring application by CBO that is not endorsed by OMB and not, obviously, endorsed by us and does not make good sense. That is that the entire economic implication of this 24,000 units is being scored at one time, and that is a very unusual thing; and secondly, that we have a very unusual circumstance with this being the centerpiece of quality of life for our military folks.
So let me just suggest to my friend that we all have a job in this House and that the Committee on the Budget has undertaken to follow their duty, their obligation, in the manner they best see fit; and I would suggest to the gentleman that talking with them and working with them on this may be the way to get this thing done, and I would hope that the gentleman would talk with the Committee on the Budget.
Mr. Speaker, let me remind the gentleman that neither of us belongs to organized political parties. We are Republicans and Democrats. But I just want to remind the gentleman, too, that we are stretched between two cross-strains which are very familiar to this House. One is the strain and the discipline that is required for fiscal discipline. And we all know that, and I think we have to give some credence to the Committee on the Budget chairman's statement, because the chairman of the Committee on the Budget does stand here and he does take fusillades from both sides about spending money and about not having rules. On the other hand, we then have these extraordinary circumstances in which we beat up on the Committee on the Budget chairman for sticking with those rules.
And I told the gentleman that my position is, even though we own the turf on this as the authorizing committee, we think it is so extraordinary and so compelling we are willing to give up that turf and pass it in this particular bill.
But I would recommend to the gentleman that he talk with the members of the Committee on the Budget and remember that they have an obligation, too, and try to work through that obligation.
Mr. Speaker, reclaiming my time, let me respond to the gentleman because I think all of us were disappointed when we saw what I think is a very unusual ruling, that this is all to be costed up front, and that was a highly unusual ruling which I think is erroneous.
On the other hand, it has put us where we are. And what we have got to do is work through it, and I think we are going to work through it.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Iowa (Mr. Nussle).
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 1 minute to remind my friend that the same Republican leadership that he has criticized so heavily is the Republican leadership that passed concurrent receipt, where retirees can receive their checks and disability checks; has urged and has passed the survivor benefit program, which laid in state for years; has increased the equipment supply from an average of about $45 billion a year under the Clinton administration to an average of about $70 billion a year for new equipment for our troops in the field; and supplied the ammunition, force protection and, surveillance they have been so sorely lacking the last 15 years.
I would remind my friend, this should not be a blame day; this should be a day in which we all work and move forward. I think that every vote that one takes on an issue, one can call this a fig leaf vote if one wants, but I would remind my friend that every vote that we take on an issue is an important vote.
I would just tell my friend from Texas, at the end of this year when the dust clears on this process, which is obviously affected by the political season, we are going to have legislative vehicles come down the track and get across the finish line. This problem is going to be fixed.
If my friend wants to ask me to take the floor with him at the end of this session and we will prove up, I will be happy to tell him now, I will give him my word, this problem is going to be fixed.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Young).
Mr. Speaker, on that I demand the yeas and nays.
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word. Mr. Chairman, I would simply observe that no two people in this House have worked harder to keep partisanship or any other illegitimate consideration out…
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
Mr. Chairman, I would simply observe that no two people in this House have worked harder to keep partisanship or any other illegitimate consideration out of this issue than have the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Knollenberg) and the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Edwards). They have proceeded in tandem to try to produce concrete, as opposed to theoretical, results for the military families in this country who are deserving of a decent place to live.
But what we are being faced with is this: my mentor in this House, when I first came, was Dick Bolling from Missouri who for many years served this House in spectacular fashion on the Committee on Rules, and he often told me that the greatest enemy to true legislative progress was what he called ``dung hill politics.'' By that he meant Members being more interested in preserving the jurisdiction of their committee or the narrow interest that was associated with a committee or subcommittee, rather than focusing on the broader interests of the American people who we are supposed to serve.
It seems to me that this discussion tonight is an example of what Dick Bolling was worried about because what we have going here, as I said yesterday, is a charade.
The gentleman from Michigan and the gentleman from Texas have brought to the floor a bill which provides concrete assurances that at least 24,000 more military families will receive decent housing; but apparently the Committee on the Budget is unhappy, at least the chairman of the Committee on the Budget is unhappy, with the way the committee has gone about this; and so he intends, as I understand it, shortly to exercise a point of order which will strike from this bill the Congress' ability to deliver that housing to those military families.
In order to create an impression that these families are not being hurt, it appears that what the House will now hide behind is a motion taken yesterday to try to increase the authorization for this program, which would have the result, if the bill was enacted into law, of accomplishing the very same thing that is being accomplished by this bill. The problem is the way this Congress works, there is absolutely no assurance that a freestanding, independent authorization bill will go anywhere in the other body; and that is why, if you want to preserve that housing for those members, it is essential to keep this language in this bill.
That is what the gentleman from Michigan has been trying to do. That is what the gentleman from Texas has been trying to do on a bipartisan basis, and we ought to be supporting that effort rather than finding technicalities as reasons to deep-six the very fine work that they have attempted to do.
I yield to the gentleman from Texas.
Mr. Chairman, I yield to the gentleman from Texas.
Mr. Chairman, I rise to be heard on the point of order.
Mr. Chairman, it is important for us to respect the rules of the House, but sometimes the rules give Members powers to do things that they ought not do. Just because we have the power to do something does not necessarily mean that it is the right thing to do it. Sometimes it is important to exercise restraint. I think this is one of those cases.
The gentleman from Texas (Mr. Edwards) correctly points out that an hour ago we waived all points of order on a huge spending bill, many times more dollars than we have in this bill. There were many points of order that could have been lodged against this bill when it came from the Committee on Rules, but the House leadership chose to expose only one item in the bill to a point of order, and that is the item that would have delivered decent housing to 24,000 military families.
What the House did or what the majority did by adopting that rule is to say in effect that peace in the family was more important than the sure delivery of decent housing to 24,000 military families.
Mr. Chairman, I think it is unfortunate that the majority leadership has dictated to the House that it must allow this one provision to be eliminated, but there is not much we can do about it and I also unfortunately have to concede the point of order.
Mr. Speaker, I offer a motion to recommit.
Unless the motion is adopted, Mr. Speaker, yes.
Mr. Speaker, what this amendment attempts to do is to restore the language just stricken by the gentleman. If the gentleman insists on his point of order, then obviously once again the House will have missed an opportunity to provide housing for these 24,000 military families.
Mr. Speaker, I offer a subsequent motion to recommit.
Mr. Speaker, this is the last opportunity the House will have to do the right thing for 24,000 military families.
This motion to recommit instructs the Committee on Appropriations to report the bill back with the cap lifted by $500 million for a total of $1.35 billion. This does not incur any additional costs. It simply allows existing funds and other assets to be used for privatization.
The problem seems to be, as Members have pointed out, that CBO wants to charge these privately raised funds against the budget allocation, which does not make any sense to anyone who lives in the real world. Any Member who has visited a military base and seen family housing knows this is a real need. Raising the cap enjoys broad support on both sides of the aisle and the White House.
I urge Members to join in support of this motion to recommit and give military families the decent housing they deserve.
Mr. Speaker, I yield to the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Edwards).
Mr. Speaker, to those who would cite the action taken by the House yesterday on the authorization bill, I would simply say that was not a substantive fix. That was a political fix, which is going nowhere because there is no assurance whatsoever that that bill will pass. This bill is a must-pass vehicle. That is why this provision ought to be attached to this bill.
Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding to me.
Let me simply point out to the gentleman from Iowa that the bill that the gentleman from Iowa is suggesting that we focus on is the bill that is going nowhere for the next 6 weeks either. The only difference between this bill and the bill that the gentleman is now purportedly supporting is that this bill will after the summer recess go somewhere. The bill the gentleman supported yesterday is going nowhere. That is a big difference to military families.
Mr. Speaker, I object to the vote on the ground that a quorum is not present and make the point of order that a quorum is not present.
Mr. Speaker, I thank the very distinguished chairman of the Committee on Armed Services for yielding me this time. There is no one in this body who has worked any harder than he has in making this…
Mr. Speaker, I thank the very distinguished chairman of the Committee on Armed Services for yielding me this time. There is no one in this body who has worked any harder than he has in making this issue resolved, getting it to resolution. I appreciate his willingness to expedite this bill that I introduced today in order to help deal with the problem.
To those who are suggesting that this bill goes nowhere after it passes unanimously today, I just ask them, why? I see them shaking their heads, but why is it that the other body would stop military families from receiving this benefit? And why is it that the other body would oppose the Department of Defense authorization, as we hear is occurring? Why are they stopping everything? For our defense needs, our intelligence needs, our military families, everything is stopped. They have not even been willing to vote on a budget.
I ask the Members, is that a problem? Of course it is. Do we break our rules? Do we bust our budget in order to do that, in order to fix it? I would suggest no. You have the right to overrule that. You have the right to vote differently. I would suggest you do that if that is how you feel. But then do not come to the floor and lecture the Committee on the Budget about how the budget process is broken. Do not come to the floor and lecture the American people about deficits and national debts and tell me time and time again during the budget debate itself how when you are in a hole, you stop digging. I believe if I had a nickel for every time that speech was made, we could probably resolve the national debt and the deficit, because when you are in a hole, you stop digging.
How could you do that? Today the Committee on Appropriations brought to the floor a bill that busts the budget by $1.2 billion instead of looking throughout the rest of their budget, the rest of their appropriations allocation of $821 billion, to find enough money in order to meet the needs of our military families.
So they came to the floor and for the very first time since Republicans took the majority, violated a rule, bringing to the floor an appropriation bill that busted their allocation called 302(b), which I understand most people watching do not pay any attention to.
Yes, these are arcane rules, but the reason that we have these rules is so that we can try to get a handle on spending. And, no, it is not just for military families. I ask Members to look through that $821 billion and they will find many places that are less important than our military families. That is why this bill needs to be supported. We need to pass it, and we need to put pressure on the other body that stands in the way of all progress for our military, passing the Department of Defense authorization, passing appropriation bills.
We are not even going to pass the Military Construction appropriation bill before the election. I will bet my colleagues on that one. Will we do what is called a CR? Probably. But do my colleagues think we are going to pass that before this election? Do my colleagues think we are not going to have CR and CR and CR? If it is such an important priority, where are these people rushing to get this done?
So I want to commend the gentleman who is the very distinguished chairman of the Committee on Armed Services who has jurisdiction over this issue, who has been working on this, who is bringing this bill today to the floor and deserves the ability to continue to work on this and not put it in an appropriation bill when it does not belong there, and it busts the budget.
Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
Yes, Mr. Speaker, I will insist on that.
Mr. Speaker, I would say to the gentleman from Missouri, I have even been told today I was shooting at Santa Claus. Somebody came to the floor and said I shot Santa Claus today. My goodness, I have been accused of a lot of things, but shooting Santa Claus and personally, individually, one Member stopping 24,000 families from getting that housing, let us review the record.
If this was so important, would my colleagues not think that the Committee on Appropriations, in their base bill as it was reported to the subcommittee, do my colleagues not think that in that base bill they would have written this procedure in? It was not done. It was not done. In fact, it was done as an amendment at the committee.
So I understand that this is now a pretty important priority for a number of reasons. Some of it is politics. Some of it is expediency. Some of it is probably due to the fact that we have a body across the Rotunda that does not appear to be getting much accomplished. There is a lot of that that probably makes it very difficult. But that does not mean that we bend our rules, we break our rules here in the House in order to proceed.
There is not one family today that loses their housing as a result of a point of order on the House floor. My goodness, if that was the case, there would probably be a lot more Members down here doing a lot of points of order on a lot more issues.
What needs to be done is, priorities need to be made. We need to within the bills determine what is important, and I would stack up military housing to just about anything else in most of these bills that come to the floor called appropriation bills.
People want to talk about priorities? These are the priorities, and the gentleman from Missouri is as strong as the gentleman from California in understanding that. But I am, too, and every Member of this body is, too. And I appreciate the leadership that that gentleman from Missouri makes every day for our men and women. But we have many leaders who make that same sacrifice, and I do not count myself in the back seat to any one of them.
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me time. Mr. Speaker, it is a sad day today. I do not know if anybody else is as ashamed as I am that we are going through this kind of a process. When…
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me time.
Mr. Speaker, it is a sad day today. I do not know if anybody else is as ashamed as I am that we are going through this kind of a process. When I think back at the times I have visited Iraq, five times that I have visited in Iraq, and I sit across the table, whether it is for breakfast, for lunch or for dinner, with the soldiers, they look at us and they have a trust that we are going to do the right thing. They look at us, and they know that we are going to represent their best interests.
In my district at Fort Bliss, Texas, there are about 2,500 military families that have been looking forward to getting a benefit from this program that we are talking about here. We were looking forward to it.
It is clear to me that what we are doing here today is a lot of political CYA and nothing substantial apparently is going to come from it. Shame on us for not having the guts to stand up and do what is right for our military families, and shame on us for passing emergency legislation, supplemental bills, that give $20 billion, $21 billion, whatever that figure is, to reconstruct neighborhoods, give garbage trucks and all of these other things in Iraq, when we cannot even do the basic thing for our military families.
So here we are in this situation here, where we are talking about what a great job our military is doing, how proud we are of them and how we consider them heroes; and at the same time, we cannot find a process to give their families who are sacrificing beyond what most of us can imagine, who are sacrificing, we cannot give them decent housing.
Shame on us. We call this the people's House? We ought to be ashamed of each and every one of these machinations that we put ourselves through.
So it is a sad day for me. It should be a sad day for all of us. But, most of all, as I look at my watch and it is sometime after midnight in Iraq, those soldiers are putting their lives on the line for us for everything that we hold dear. We ought to have enough guts to do whatever it takes to find the money, to ensure that the money is there.
I will tell you very honestly, I do not have the knowledge of the intricacies of the budget and all of these other things that my honorable colleagues have, but I do know one thing: do not run a sham on our military families. That is all they care about. All they want to know from us is, as they look in our eyes, that they can trust us, that we are going to deliver for them like they deliver for us every day. Shame on us.
Mr. Speaker, at Fort Bliss in my district, nearly half of the NCOs attending the Sergeant Major's Academy live in beautiful recently built homes. The other half live in what is affectionately referred to as ``Bedrock.'' While there is something nice about returning home to a neighborhood where your neighbors are Barney and Fred, it's not the neighbors that make this area of family housing on Fort Bliss resemble Bedrock--it's the fact that despite noble efforts by the folks at Fort Bliss, the houses are in poor shape and look like they were built in the Stone Age.
About 2,500 military families at Fort Bliss were looking forward to living in new or improved homes, thanks to the Military Housing Privatization Initiative (MHPI) that is scheduled to start this year. The Army's arm of this program, the Residential Communities Initiative (RCI), aims to eliminate inadequate housing on Army bases by 2007 through the construction of new homes, the improvement of current structures and the incorporation of community features such as recreation centers into military posts. At Fort Bliss, this means that ``Bedrock'' will be a thing of the past.
MHPI is an extremely cost-effective measure because contractors pay the up-front costs and recover their investment through rental payment. MHPI also stimulates local economies by providing job opportunities in the construction and maintenance of homes and facilities. Unfortunately for the 2,500 military families at Fort Bliss and for thousands of other families across the country, MHPI is threatened by a funding cap which will be reached in November of this year.
Mr. Speaker, earlier today, I stood on the floor of this House to urge my colleagues to vote against the rule for the FY05 MilCon appropriations. The rule would have stripped a provision from the bill to ensure that the MHPI program would continue. The passage of that rule almost ensures that this important provision will be eliminated from the appropriations bill. The bill now before us, H.R. 4879, contains language that is nearly identified to the military housing privatization provision in the MilCon appropriations bill. This bill is basically a face saving measure by the Republicans. This suspension bill that increases the housing cap does not keep out faith with our men and women in uniform. If the provision is in the MilCon appropriation bill, it will be committed to Conference and the Senate must deal with it. If, on the other hand, it is passed as a Suspension, the Senate is under no obligation whatsoever to consider the measure, and we have no idea if it will ever see the light of day--in short, the odds that it will become law are dramatically decreased. Mr. Speaker, this bill is a cynical gesture and a slap in the face of our brave men and women of the armed services. Our men and women in uniform and their families deserve the very best--and adequate housing is the least that we can provide for them. Unfortunately, this bill falls far short of ensuring that they will get the housing they so need and deserve.
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I thank the gentleman for yielding me this time. Mr. Speaker, we are not legislating here today. We are engaging in a giant game of charades. Let me explain. The gentleman who just spoke, the…
I thank the gentleman for yielding me this time.
Mr. Speaker, we are not legislating here today. We are engaging in a giant game of charades. Let me explain. The gentleman who just spoke, the gentleman from Florida, is the senior Republican on the Committee on Appropriations. I am the senior Democrat on the Committee on Appropriations. We are absolutely as one on this issue. I totally agree with everything the gentleman just said. What I would like to do is to repeat what he said in a slightly different way to drive home the point that he was making.
What has happened, Mr. Speaker, is that the Committee on Appropriations brought to this floor earlier today the military construction bill which contained a provision which enabled us to improve military housing for thousands of young military families who are sacrificing more than anybody else in this country because of the Iraq war.
When we did that, the chairman of the Committee on the Budget made known his unhappiness with that action because it technically breached the previous budget resolution which the Committee on the Budget had pushed through this House on an earlier date. So the chairman of the Committee on the Budget made known his intent to eliminate that provision by making a point of order against it when it was before the House. That meant that that action would effectively deny that improved military housing to somewhere between 23,000 and 50,000 additional military families.
So now what is happening is this. Because evidently some people are uncomfortable with their being politically exposed on that issue, we now have seen the authorizing committee ask to bring this bill to the floor which purports to accomplish the very same thing that was accomplished by the appropriations committee. The only reason that this is allowable under House rules and the appropriations bill was not is because the gentleman's ability to make a point of order lies only on a bill which has been reported from a committee. This provision that is before us was never considered by the committee and so, therefore, it is exempt. So it is a procedural loophole which is being used by the Committee on the Budget in order to force this House to go through this outrageous charade, and the net result is what?
The result will be that the bill now before us will not pass. We have absolutely no guarantee whatsoever that it will be passed in the Senate. So this is probably on a short track to nowhere. Meanwhile, the one bill that we know will pass, the military appropriations bill, will now fall victim to a point of order that will be lodged by the gentleman from Iowa. The result is the only vehicle which is guaranteed to pass will no longer contain the provision helping military families. A vehicle which is not going to go anywhere will contain that provision that does not help anyone.
The bill that is before us today is not a substantive fix. It is a political fix. It takes care of a few people's political problems, but it does not solve the problem of the military families. This is an outrageous charade. I welcome the action of the gentleman from California and the gentleman from Missouri in at least trying to do what they can to help these military families get the housing assistance they need, but we would not have had to go through this if we had simply allowed the Committee on Appropriations to proceed with its bill; and even though we are allowing this committee to take this action today, there is no guarantee whatsoever that this action will produce one additional decent house for a military person in this country. The only guarantee is to vote for the military construction bill with that provision.
Right now this entire issue is in the hands of the gentleman from Iowa. If he wants to effectively deny military families that decent housing, he will proceed to object to the provision in the military construction bill. I do not think we are going to fool anybody with the charade that is being participated in by bringing this bill to the floor.
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me this time.
I would simply ask the gentleman, does he mean that even though his party controls both Houses of the Congress that they are not going to be able to pass a Military Construction appropriation bill, one of the 13 bills that must pass this Congress before we adjourn; and yet he believes that the Senate somehow will miraculously pass this bill which has nothing else going for it?
Give me a break. I do not mind if the gentleman wants to fool himself, but
do not think he is fooling me with this action.
I yield to the gentleman from Florida.
Mr. Speaker, the only way the gentleman from Iowa can get away from this is that the rule he is citing applies only to a bill that is reported from committee. This action is not reported from committee, so he gets around the very rule he professes to be supporting.
Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. Speaker, I simply would like to say there is no financial difference whatsoever between these two approaches. The only real difference is the one being proposed by the gentleman from Iowa probably will not become law, and the other one will.
Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield? I would be happy to discuss Fort Hunter Liggett with the gentleman. Mr. Chairman, I would reply to the gentleman that, yes, I am aware of this language and…
Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
I would be happy to discuss Fort Hunter Liggett with the gentleman.
Mr. Chairman, I would reply to the gentleman that,
yes, I am aware of this language and that it tracks with the gentleman's desire to see the land preserved and conserved for future open, natural space by giving the U.S. Forest Service the right of first refusal for Fort Hunter Liggett lands at such time as the Army deems them surplus.
Mr. Chairman, if the gentleman would yield again, I am aware of the gentleman's deep interest in this issue and appreciate his flexibility in finding ways to address this issue.
Mr. Chairman, if the gentleman would further yield, I assure the gentleman that I will be more than happy to work with him in conference on this issue.
Mr. Chairman, the gentleman is correct. It is my understanding that the Army has accelerated this project and will be in a position to award a contract in October 2005.
The Army estimates the project will cost approximately $17 million. I do not know how long it will take to complete the facility, but the actions taken so far suggest to me that they will move it forward in an expeditious fashion.
Mr. Chairman, it is my understanding that the Washington Headquarters Service is working with the Army to move this project forward and is prepared to provide the additional funding needed to expand the original project scope at Fort Myer to accommodate the children the gentleman speaks of from the Pentagon facility.
Mr. Chairman, I will be happy to work with the gentleman to ensure the Department proceeds with this project as soon as possible. I just want to say I appreciate the discussions we have had and the gentleman's interest in bringing a resolution to this that will satisfy all of us. I commend the gentleman for this.
Mr. Chairman, I would like to be heard on this point of order.
I understand the gentleman is reserving a point of order because the provision in question is legislation, and therefore prohibited on an appropriations bill under clause 2 of rule XXI of the rules of the House. However, I would like to point out to the gentleman the reason why this provision is in the bill.
As the chairman of the Committee on Armed Services stated earlier, this provision is supported by the authorizing committee and it is not in a defense authorization bill because of an objection by the Committee on the Budget. So with the support of the authorizing committee, the Committee on Appropriations voted to include this provision in the military construction bill, and thus made a value judgment to address military families' lives and welfare.
Now I believe the gentleman agrees with this policy because yesterday he introduced a bill and it passed almost unanimously. However, that bill may not go anywhere and I do not think that we should be playing with people's livelihoods with promises that we cannot keep.
I would also point out that under the Armey protocol, A-R-M-E-Y, this provision should not have been left exposed if the chairman of the authorizing committee does not object to the inclusion of this legislative provision in an appropriations bill. Only a piece of the language, which is directed at scorekeeping, is within the purview of the Committee on the Budget.
It is further regrettable that this provision is going to be stricken even though it is strongly supported by the administration and the House. It does not break the bank, as the chairman of the Committee on the Budget purports, or he would not have introduced a bill that does exactly the same thing yesterday.
I concede it is legislation and I concede it is subject to a point of order, but I also concede it is the right thing to do for our military families, and I believe the majority of the American people will agree with me.
Mr. Chairman, I would ask the chairman of the Committee on the Budget to think about all of this before he insists on his point of order.
Mr. Chairman, I submit the following for the Record:
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Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to the motion to recommit, very reluctantly.
Mr. Speaker, I agree wholeheartedly with the substance of what he is saying because we have been down that road so many times and had those discussions. The problem is I do not want to stop this bill from moving forward, and that is exactly what we would be doing as much as taking on a risk that we are not clear about what the resolution will be.
This motion would require the bill to go back to committee and would slow down the many important programs that we are trying to help. For this reason alone I must oppose this motion.
I yield to the gentleman from Iowa.
Mr. Speaker, reclaiming my time, I appreciate what the gentleman said. I also take it from what he just said that he is going to be a player in this process as we go forward.
Mr. Speaker, could we come to the conclusion that it would resolve the problem and also eliminate the cap?
Mr. Speaker, let us make every effort to do just that.
I yield to the gentleman from Wisconsin.
Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve a point of order against section 129 of the bill because it violates clause 2 of rule XXI, which prohibits legislative language that directly amends existing law. Mr.…
Mr. Chairman, I reserve a point of order against section 129 of the bill because it violates clause 2 of rule XXI, which prohibits legislative language that directly amends existing law.
Mr. Chairman, parliamentary inquiry.
Mr. Chairman, there have been a lot of speeches already, and I understand it is permissible to speak to the point of order, but many of these speeches are just repeats of what has been done and can be done in regular order in consideration of the bill.
Mr. Chairman, I would insist on my point of order.
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
Mr. Chairman, I just wanted to have the opportunity to respond very briefly to the gentleman from Texas. First and foremost, he is a member of the Committee on the Budget. He has been working on this a long time, as many Members have. There are some challenges we are going to have to overcome, there is no question. I understand that there is some skepticism about the bill that was passed yesterday, but I would hope that the other body would recognize the fact that a bill that was passed with the unanimous support of the House of Representatives could be expedited and that we could send a very clear signal to our men and women in uniform as well as their families that are looking for housing, that are having to deal with in many instances, as the gentleman knows far better than I, substandard housing, that we could deal with this in a very expeditious manner, the way we did yesterday, in an appropriate way, in a legislative way, not in an extraordinary way.
I would hope that the other body would take this up as quickly and as expeditiously as the House of Representatives did. We can accomplish that. We can do it in a bipartisan way as it was done yesterday. And it can be on the President's desk in moments, without further action, without further ado, without having to make them wait or wonder.
The military construction bill that we are considering right now, its future, we could argue, is also uncertain, given the fact that just about every prognosticator of the appropriations process suggests that we will not be completing the appropriations process on time this year, either as 13 individual appropriation bills or even as an omnibus bill but that, in fact, we may have to live under a continuing resolution for some time.
So while there is uncertainty about military construction and other appropriation matters, there should not have to be concern or question about our military families and what needs to be done as quickly as possible. It can be done expeditiously. It can be done using the vehicle that was passed yesterday by an overwhelming margin.
I would hope that other Members will not try any further delaying tactics for our men and women in uniform. I would hope that we can pass that bill as quickly as possible in the other body, that it will not be delayed, that it would enjoy the same kind of bipartisan support that we have here.
Mr. Speaker, I make a point of order against the motion to recommit because it violates Section 302(f) of the Congressional Budget Act.
Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. Speaker, obviously I support the gentleman's opposition to the motion. Let me just point out as
well in support of his opposition that not only would it delay the military construction bill by sending it back to committee, because of the fact that we are going on recess as an example, it would postpone a decision about this because the gentleman, interestingly enough, complained about a technicality earlier. There is a technicality in this motion that Members need to be aware about. It is the words ``promptly,'' and ``promptly'' means when we get around to it a little bit later, not forthwith, which means right away.
What we did yesterday is more than promptly. It happened yesterday. It is over in the Senate. They can take advantage of that opportunity and pass that bill immediately, not in some form later on.
So I appreciate the gentleman's opposing this method even though I know his heart may not be in it as much as mine has to be in this instance.
Mr. Speaker, if the gentleman would continue to yield, I have been a player in this process from the very beginning. And as I did yesterday, I intend to be do whatever I can to help move this issue along in its proper form and in the proper manner.
Mr. Speaker, I guess the gentleman could take that from the fact that I wrote the bill yesterday even though I know there were some who may have been surprised by that. I do not think there is a Member in this body that opposes housing for military families. We just need to do it in the right way.
Mr. Speaker, I want to extend a very warm thanks to the gentleman from California for bringing this bill to the floor. He is a devoted patriot and devoted to the men and women who serve in our…
Mr. Speaker, I want to extend a very warm thanks to the gentleman from California for bringing this bill to the floor. He is a devoted patriot and devoted to the men and women who serve in our military, and he has proved that so many times. What he does today by expediting the consideration of this bill, the military folks I think will appreciate him and express that appreciation in many ways. The gentleman from Missouri again is absolutely correct. This is a total bipartisan effort not only on the part of the committees but the House, the administration, the President, the Department of Defense. Everybody. It is really a shame that we have to ask the gentleman from California to bring this bill up basically out of order. But since there is the threat of not allowing the appropriations bill to include this issue on military family housing, this is the only other way to get to it.
But here is the problem. This bill will pass today with a big vote, but that is the end of it. It is never going to pass. It is never going to become law. We are never going to see it anywhere. The appropriate way to do this is on that appropriations bill that we were talking about all morning and that we will come back to later this afternoon. That is the right way to do it and get it done.
I yield to the gentleman from Missouri.
The appropriations bill is a must-pass bill. It will pass eventually. I cannot say when. We are going to pass it. I cannot say when it might get final passage, considering the other body has to deal with it; but the appropriations bill has to pass as all appropriations bills have to pass, or the government shuts down. We have not let that happen for a long time, and we are not going to let it happen now; but it is a shame that we have to use, as the gentleman from Missouri said, the round robin way to get to this when we could have had it done and over with and on the way to the Senate if we would have just passed this bill the way that the committee wrote it with the bipartisan support of everybody involved, except the Committee on the Budget.
Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. Speaker, the gentleman from Wisconsin has been a Member of the House Committee on Appropriations longer than anyone else on that committee. Help me out. If the provision in the appropriations bill busts the budget and this bill that we talk about today has the identical effect and it does not bust the budget, can the gentleman explain to me how that works?
Again, Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from California (Chairman Hunter) for the good work that he does and the strong support he is giving us on this issue.
Mr. Speaker, I want to correct one thing said earlier on, that nothing is getting done, that the national defense bill is not working and this is not happening and that is not happening on national defense. The national defense appropriations bill has been passed by
the House, has been passed by the Senate, has gone to conference; and, as a matter of fact, it has been filed and we would be considering it right this minute if it had not been for the fact we are having to deal with this issue.
As we deal with this issue, we are spending a lot of time; and that is okay, because the issue is extremely important. But I have to keep asking myself over and over again, and I can usually come up with the answer: What is the difference in doing it on the appropriations bill or doing it on a freestanding bill? The effect is the same.
The chairman who is going to raise the point of order on the appropriations bill is the author of this bill, so I have a hard time understanding what the problem is. I do not know if there is a good answer to that. But no matter how we do it, it is going to have the same effect.
If we do not do it, we are going to have many people who are looking forward to having decent housing for their military families that are not going to get it any time soon. That is the big issue.
Now, when it was suggested that someone was shooting Santa Claus, I said that earlier in debate. I said, let us not have these kids in Iraq and Afghanistan who are planning to have their families in decent housing, let us not let them think Santa Claus is going to be shot today. Let us not be the Grinch that stole Christmas.
Let us do what we have to do; let us do what is right. If we are going to do it later, why not do it now, while the vehicle is before us? There are a lot of questions that I really cannot get answers to in my own mind.
I yield to the gentleman from Wisconsin.
Mr. Speaker, reclaiming my time, the gentleman is exactly right.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume. My fellow Missourian, Mark Twain, once said, ``The more you explain it to me, the more I don't understand it.'' I have no idea why we are…
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume. My fellow Missourian, Mark Twain, once said, ``The more you explain it to me, the more I don't understand it.''
I have no idea why we are considering this bill, because all the majority had to do was not raise a point of order on the appropriations bill. I do not want to say this is a cynical gesture, but it is. We are considering this bill because the majority is not serious about taking care of the troops and their families. 24,000 families will do without because the other bill will have a point of order raised on it. All they had to do on the other bill, the appropriations bill, was not to raise a point of order and 24,000 military families would have their housing in 2005.
I appreciate the fact that our friends in the majority are taking the issue seriously, but it appears to me that this is going around Robin Hood's barn to do what could be simply done by not raising a point of order.
While this stand-alone bill is fine on its merits, it is going to die in the Senate. It will go nowhere. What we wanted to do was raise the privatized housing cap in the Military Construction Appropriations Act. That is legislation that the Senate cannot ignore. And all we had to do was just not raise the point of order and those young families would have their housing.
I cannot argue against the words of this measure, but we should not be deceived. This is a ruse to avoid dealing with the privatized cap on an issue in a must-do piece of legislation. The details of the cap issue have been discussed at length by others, and I raised the issue during the rule on the other appropriations bill. Let me just say that because the Committee on the Budget refused to accommodate bipartisan requests on both sides of the aisle by the Committee on Armed Services, the Defense authorization bill bowed to CBO scoring. As a result, we could not fix the problem until 2006. Consequently, 24,000 military families do without.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
I thank the gentleman for agreeing with me.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 5 minutes to the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Obey).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Obey).
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
My recollection, during the earlier debate on the rule on the appropriation bill, was that my friend and my colleague and chairman of the Committee on Armed Services, during his very eloquent speech at that time, urged the gentleman from Iowa not to raise the point of order.
So I ask this question, Mr. Speaker: In order for us to have 24,000 more family units under the privatization program, the only thing that has to happen under the appropriation bill would be for the gentleman from Iowa, the chairman of the Committee on the Budget, not to raise a point of order.
So I ask the gentleman from Iowa, will he insist on raising the point of order on the appropriation bill?
I yield to the gentleman from Iowa.
Mr. Speaker, he will insist on raising the point of order.
Mr. Speaker, we just saw 24,000 military families getting their just housing delayed for a long time.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 30 seconds to the gentleman from Washington (Mr. Dicks).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Edwards).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Reyes).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Ortiz).
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, we pride ourselves in this body, I know my chairman and I pride ourselves, in working for and supporting the troops. But supporting the troops is more than a bumper sticker. We are the one body in the United States of America that can speak, and speak with authority, and make good things happen for those families and those soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines.
I hate to turn the news on in the morning, because I hear so many Americans have either been wounded or killed or both in the far reaches of Afghanistan and Iraq.
Those St. Louis families, we are not going to take care of them. We are going to do it by insisting on a technical point of order on the appropriations bill. That is not right. So let us vote for this. I will support this suspension measure. I, of course, do so with reluctance because we could solve the problem so easily on the appropriations bill by just doing nothing.
Mr. Chairman, I rise to strike the last word. I want to have a colloquy between myself and the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Knollenberg). Mr. Chairman, I would like to invite you to engage in a brief…
Mr. Chairman, I rise to strike the last word.
I want to have a colloquy between myself and the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Knollenberg).
Mr. Chairman, I would like to invite you to engage in a brief colloquy with me on an issue regarding Fort Hunter Liggett in California.
I yield to the gentleman from Michigan.
As the gentleman knows, Fort Hunter Liggett is today surrounded by U.S. Forest Service property.
In fact, prior to becoming a military base, most of the land was in the possession of the Forest Service, and another huge tract of land next door was owned by the famed Hearst family.
During the 1995 BRAC round, Fort Hunter Liggett was realigned and the cantonment area was excessed to the National Park Service. This means virtually all the functional buildings to support troop activities were given away, but all the land was retained by the military and put under the control of the Army Reserve.
The National Park Service, in preparation for accepting the cantonment area, studied its options with regard to management of this new property. In its report just released last month, the National Park Service labeled the land of Fort Hunter Liggett as ``relatively unchanged landscape'' from the time of the California's missionaries; as having ``no equivalent'' in terms of protected, undisturbed habitat; and as a ``rarity'' in its ``representation of cultural and natural history.''
However, because of the type of BRAC action at Fort Hunter Liggett, the land is not available to the Park Service and the Department of the Interior has indicated its reluctance to add such a huge tract of land to its inventory.
I guess, Mr. Chairman, what I am trying to say is that Fort Hunter Liggett, as active a military base as it is, still is a unique natural resource to our country; and it would be a shame to lose that resource should the base ever find itself nonessential to the military mission of our country.
While the Park Service, at this point anyway, seems disinclined to pursue further ownership of lands at Fort Hunter Liggett, the Forest Service is very interested.
Of course, no one is talking about giving anyone any land at Fort Hunter Liggett right now. It is a very active base, and I expect that it will merit strong support within the BRAC process for keeping it open and functioning.
But, Mr. Chairman, I wish to inquire if the gentleman is aware that the version of the Military Construction bill that is working its way through the other body does, in fact, contain the language addressing the issue of future land status at Fort Hunter Liggett.
Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman for his response and his observation that I do desire to keep Fort Hunter Liggett as a natural resource if and when the military finds it is no longer essential to its mission; and I emphasize again to the chairman, only if and when the land is no longer essential to its military mission. I have no desire to close Fort Hunter Liggett as long as the Army finds it critical to its mission.
The chairman knows that I hoped to attach to the House bill we are debating right now language similar to that inserted on the other side, but in the interest of the House rules and jurisdictional matters, I chose not to.
Mr. Chairman, I would ask one further question of the chairman. I would ask that the gentleman would work with me during the conference on this issue to retain language we all find agreeable that will keep the Forest Service as first in line to get Fort Hunter Liggett when and if it is excessed.
Mr. Chairman, I thank the chairman for his leadership and cooperation and friendship.
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word. Mr. Chairman, I had a couple of amendments at the desk that I will not offer in favor of engaging in a colloquy with the gentleman from Michigan (Mr.…
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
Mr. Chairman, I had a couple of amendments at the desk that I will not offer in favor of engaging in a colloquy with the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Knollenberg). The reason I offered those amendments is the Pentagon has a day care facility located on its campus that has capacity for over 200 children. After September 11, 2001, parents of those children were assured they would not have to be relocated. Now they are told without any real warning that they have 60 days to vacate. This is nearly 3 years after the attack on the Pentagon.
In Northern Virginia, there is a waiting list of 12 to 18 months at most of the day care facilities, so we offered an amendment to try to speed up the process of building a new day care facility at nearby Fort Myer. That is what this colloquy concerns because it is beyond me why the Pentagon would tell the parents that they have only 60 days to vacate.
They say they have information that the Pentagon might be more likely to be a target between now and Election Day. If that is the case, they need to evacuate them immediately. There is some suspicion as to the purpose, but I do not want to engage in that speculation. I want to do what we can as a legislative body to ensure there is an alternative site because I think most parents would agree that if they had an opportunity to sit down and talk with the decisionmakers at the Pentagon that it makes sense to begin to relocate the children.
Mr. Chairman, let me ask the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Knollenberg), I understand that the Pentagon, in response to the recent decision to close the day care facility at the Pentagon, has offered to expand and accelerate the planning and construction of the new day care facility at Fort Myer, but at the earliest will be able to start construction in October 2005; is that correct?
I yield to the gentleman from Michigan.
Mr. Chairman, does the Army have an updated estimate on how much this project will cost and when this project will be completed?
Mr. Chairman, my concern is there may be a lack of coordination between the Army and the Washington Headquarters Services at the Department on how to proceed with the design, planning and construction of the new day care facility. To the gentleman's knowledge, is the Army working with the Washington Headquarters Service on moving forward with this timetable of October 2005?
Mr. Chairman, it is my hope I can work closely with the gentleman from Michigan on ensuring that the Pentagon work quickly toward providing a completed alternative day care facility at Fort Myer as soon as possible. I would hope that in the meantime the Department dedicates all means necessary to find immediate interim solutions for the parents of the more than 100 children at the Pentagon today who are still without adequate child care options.
Mr. Chairman, I appreciate the gentleman's assistance on this matter. My present concern remains how best to encourage the Pentagon to focus on providing interim day care service. I look forward to working with you to see if there is any assistance we could provide for interim solutions.
I want to recognize the fact that the gentleman from Northern Virginia (Mr. Tom Davis) and the gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Wolf), the chairman of the Subcommittee on Commerce,
State, Justice, both of whom have constituents in this situation, as I do, and they have also worked very diligently on this. We appreciate the opportunity to work with the gentleman from Michigan.
Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield? I want to commend the gentleman for his statements and for his effort this year. The gentleman from Texas (Mr. Edwards) has gone all out working with the…
Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
I want to commend the gentleman for his statements and for his effort this year. The gentleman from Texas (Mr. Edwards) has gone all out working with the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Knollenberg) to craft a solution here. I have supported his efforts and I have Fort Lewis, Washington, McChord Air Force Base, in fact, in Fort Lewis we have one of the RCI, the Residential Construction Initiatives. It has worked better than any project for housing in the history of the country. And that is why this is so destructive. And we are not talking about spending additional military construction dollars.
All we are saying is we are going to raise a limit by $500 million so that these transactions can occur in a public-private partnership.
This is what we have always heard from the majority party is the right way to go, these public-private partnerships. Down in Fort Hood this is a great success.
I went out with General Soriano, the Commanding Officer at I CORPS. We went out and walked through these brand new houses being built under the Residential Construction Initiative. The wives of the sergeants were telling us this is the greatest thing that has ever happened in the Army.
I have been out there when these deployments occur, and one of the things the spouses say and one of the things the members of the services say when they are deployed is they worry about their family, they worry about the housing, they worry about health care, they worry about what is going to happen to their families while they are gone. I know from my years of experience, 26 years on the Subcommittee on Defense, 18 years on this subcommittee, that quality of life and having this new housing and getting it done in a timely way is crucial.
That is why the objection to this by the majority party to me is so unexplainable, because one thing we have always been good about in this
House is on a bipartisan basis rising above limitations, things of that nature, to get the job done for the men and women who are serving, and especially now when we are in a time of war, especially now when the services are stressed in a most difficult way, and with all these deployments. We are over-deployed.
We saw what the GAO said today. There is not enough money out there to properly deal with the problems we have got. So to pile this last thing on, this poke in the eye of the military families by not raising this limit, to me is one of the worst things that has happened in my 28 years in the House.
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
Mr. Chairman, I yield to the gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Edwards).
Reclaiming my time, I want to say here is a situation where this does not cost extra money. All we are talking about is raising the limit. The Office of Management and Budget is for this. The Secretary of Defense is for this. The service Secretaries are for this. The Chiefs of Staff of each of the services are for this. I mean, the President is for this. And it would seem to me with all of that support and with the chairman of the House Committee on Armed Services, the chairman of the Committee on Appropriations, the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Young), the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Knollenberg), who has been a tremendous leader on this, why is it that we cannot get this done? Why is it that we cannot take care of these people?
To me this is unexplainable.
I yield to the gentleman from Texas.
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Mr. Speaker, in my 14 years in the House, the introduction of this bill this afternoon is the most cynical charade I have ever seen. This bill, they did not even know what bill number to put on this.…
Mr. Speaker, in my 14 years in the House, the introduction of this bill this afternoon is the most cynical charade I have ever seen. This bill, they did not even know what bill number to put on this. They had to mark out one bill number and put another. They had to hand write part of this. What a sorry way to deal with the needs of 24,000 military families, the need to get better housing.
I think it is interesting that the gentleman from Iowa, the very person who within the next couple of hours is going to kill our opportunity to solve a military housing crisis, is at the moment trying to get us to pass a bill that a few hours ago had not even been introduced.
It is also interesting that the same gentleman who introduced this bill, that says this is the solution to our military housing problem, then spoke on the floor just a minute ago saying the other body cannot pass anything.
What reason do we have to believe that this is going to go anywhere? It is probably to go in a trash bin of fig leafs. And that is exactly what this is, and that is what bothers me more than anything. When the House Republican leadership this morning could have stood up for our military families, who deserve better housing, especially during a time of war, they were not only AWOL, they broke arms on the floor of this House for 25 minutes to see that Members voted for a rule that would get us into exactly the quagmire we are in at this moment. Shame on them for doing that.
Now the House leadership, when the issue is no longer providing new housing for military families, the issue is far more important than that, a much higher priority than that. It is how do we pass a fig leaf today so that Members of Congress are not embarrassed, 212 of them who voted to get us into the position we are in today? One Republican Member could have added to that vote saying to the Speaker, I am going to put military families' interests today above my loyalty to you, and we would not be here.
We can solve this problem. We do not have to pass this fig leaf that is going nowhere. We ought to simply bring back up the military construction appropriations bill and pass it by unanimous consent, a bill that was put together on a bipartisan basis.
But, unfortunately, the same leadership that turned its back this morning on the Air Force Association, on the Association of the U.S. Army, on the Military Officers Association of America, and on the National Military Families Association, the same leadership that turned their back on these groups that wanted to really help military families to better housing, that leadership is now saying, gee, we could not do that this morning, but we can pass a fig leaf bill.
Why can they pass a political fig leaf for Members of Congress, but cannot do something over the last 6 months that we have been asking to help military families get better housing?
This is a sad day for all the servicemen and -women in our country who sacrifice for our Nation. I am proud to represent 40,000 of those great servicemen and -women at Fort Hood in my district. What we ought to do is pass a military construction bill. Let us put military families first, not fig leafs for politicians first.
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word. Mr. Chairman, it was not my intention to speak on this matter, but I am a little disconcerted about discussions that would suggest that anybody on either…
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
Mr. Chairman, it was not my intention to speak on this matter, but I am a little disconcerted about discussions that would suggest that anybody on either side of the aisle is interested in some way or another of placing a limit on the opportunity for our men and women who are serving us across the country by way of their housing or by way of their potential for income.
I did not speak extensively on the earlier bill, but within that bill we had funding, full funding for a pay adjustment for our troops. I believe that everybody here who knows this subject knows that the authorizing committee just the other day moved a separate bill that would lift the lid in terms of the housing challenges we are talking about.
It is not the intention of the Members of this House in any way, shape or form to do anything but support our troops. Indeed, the last bill that passed the House had a $25 billion amendment as a part of its package that reflects our effort to make sure that money upon the time that bill is signed is readily available to fight the war overseas, as well as to make sure that we are doing what is necessary to care for the families, the men and women who make up the strength of this Nation.
I must say that my colleague from the Committee on Appropriations knows full well that on both sides of the aisle we are committed to serving our troops. This is not a partisan question by any matter or means. It is very dangerous to our national security when people try to carry this to partisan levels, and so that is the only reason I am speaking today is because the House has worked beautifully in this connection. It was a bit disconcerting for me at least to hear what I considered to be rhetoric rather than substance.
I yield to the gentleman from Texas.
Reclaiming my time, the gentleman suggested that we are about to take the August recess; and thereby, I suppose, people are on vacation. I do not know about the gentleman, but I intend to go home and work and communicate to my constituents all of that which we are doing for the men and women who are serving us in this country. I mean, it is very, very important that we not suddenly decide this may be an issue whereby I can impact or give the impression that maybe one side is more holy than the other in terms of what we are trying to do for our troops. It is just the reverse. We have done our work well because we do so in an almost nonpartisan manner.
Mr. Chairman, I would hope as the gentleman is preparing to leave our body as my classmate and my dear friend, I hope that we will have a lot of time in the future to discuss the positive of this kind of discussion. In turn, all of us know that we serve our troops best when we take partisanship out of it.
Indeed, today, I am very proud of my colleague, the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Knollenberg), for the work he has done here; and I hope we can move forward from this point and discuss his bill in terms of the real values that have been contributed here. So congratulations to my colleague, and I appreciate him giving me this time.
Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield? Mr. Speaker, I think the chairman is operating in totally good faith, but the way to move forward is to support the Military Construction appropriations bill,…
Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. Speaker, I think the chairman is operating in totally good faith, but the way to move forward is to support the Military Construction appropriations bill, which came to this floor on a bipartisan basis.
The subcommittee wanted this problem solved. We solved it in the full committee with the help of the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Young) and the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Obey) and the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Knollenberg) and the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Edwards). This thing was worked out.
The reason we are doing this is because of this Congressional Budget Office rule, and OMB, the administration, the Defense Department all want us to do this. Why can we not figure out a way to do this today? Why do we have to wait for months when we could get this thing done?
He makes all kinds of excuses, but we might be able to put this into another bill and maybe it will go into the CR if it passes the House.
Mr. Speaker, if the gentleman would continue to yield, I would hope that the gentleman from California would talk to his leadership, too, because his leadership has got to play a role here in giving some guidance to senior Members, because they are in charge of the House, because they are the majority party.
Mr. Speaker, this is a good program, too. That is the point we want to make. This is working, and it is not costing the taxpayers money. We are using the payments to work with the private sector. This meets all the tests of a great program.
The other thing is, this is not mandatory. I mean, in other words, we can get out of this program. If the military does not need the housing, then the private sector will take the project over and operate it. That is why I am wondering why this big scoring rule when, in fact, we are not putting real money into this, we are just giving a guarantee, and that way we get the housing done and it is much more effective than military construction.
Mr. Speaker, I want to point out to the distinguished chairman that it was because the chairman of our subcommittee, who has worked so hard on this, asked us to do this in full committee. We did not raise it in subcommittee. We had a long discussion about it. The gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Knollenberg) asked us to hold up and do it in full committee. So the committee on a bipartisan basis agreed to that strategy.
This was not because it was not a big priority. It has been a big priority all year. So the gentleman from Iowa, the chairman of the Committee on the Budget, is misinformed on this subject.
Mr. Chairman, I want to commend Chairman Knollenberg and the Military Construction Appropriations Subcommittee Staff once again for their hard work and efforts to produce an excellent bill for us to…
Mr. Chairman, I want to commend Chairman Knollenberg and the Military Construction Appropriations Subcommittee Staff once again for their hard work and efforts to produce an excellent bill for us to consider here today.
The importance of our willingness here in Congress to immediately and effectively take care of the needs of our men and women in the Armed Services, and to look after their families, certainly goes without saying. It does not matter whether they are located here at home protecting our homeland security, or whether they are directly in harm's way while serving abroad to serve their country. We must support them in every way that we possibly can.
This legislation represents a vital and immediate need for our troops and their families--to provide adequate and improved facilities for training and equipment; to provide better housing for these brave men and women, and their families, who unselfishly protect our national interests on a daily basis; to provide quality of life improvements such as chapels, child development centers, schools, and fitness centers; to better equip our hospitals and medical and dental facilities; for public safety and security here in our local communities; and to ensure the continued strength, construction and development of our overseas bases and our weapons systems that protect American interests.
The sacrifice that these men and women have made to this Nation demands our attention and steadfast support to help them do the job that they have chosen to do, and to better their lives in any way that we can find. Many of you are concerned that this bill contains an increase on the cap on Federal contributions to the Military Housing Privatization program from $850 Million to $1.3 Billion in this Fiscal Year. This money is urgently needed to fully fund family housing construction and maintenance, and to eliminate inadequate housing that our troops must live in. This funding directly supports two bases in my home State of Alabama, at Redstone and at Fort Rucker, and I want to rise in support of the men and women serving there.
Mr. Chairman, I rise today to thank the Chairman for an excellent bill, and to urge its passage to fully support these men and women in our Armed Services.
Mr. Speaker, I rise today to express my strong support for the bill under consideration here today. But I am disappointed that we could not address this issue in the military construction…
Mr. Speaker, I rise today to express my strong support for the bill under consideration here today. But I am disappointed that we could not address this issue in the military construction appropriations bill.
The military construction bill includes not just funding for the construction of much needed facilities but also funds dedicated to constructing housing for our troops and their families. These funds are needed to construct new housing to replace existing housing that is in poor condition--where failing electrical systems and leaky roofs risk the safety of our military families. These funds are needed to build new houses on military bases where there are not enough homes to meet the demand of our military families--where the waiting time for a home can be over a year, where young enlisted families must live far from the support the base community provides. And these funds are needed to remodel and refurbish homes that are in disrepair--where families live without proper air conditioning in the summer or with poor heating in the winter.
In order to meet these pressing needs in the best and quickest way possible, we have worked with private industry to speed relief to military families. But today some here in Congress want to put a halt to the very successful military housing privatization program--not because they want to harm military families, but because they want to argue about the legislative process.
I believe that there is a time and a place for a debate about budget process to occur--that time is not now. Not when we have military families living in substandard housing. And not when we have hundreds of thousands of fathers and mothers serving in hostile environments around the world.
Mr. Speaker, I urge my colleagues to vote to support our military families by supporting the privatized housing program that has been so successful in bringing needed relief to these hardworking families.
Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield? I just want to say that my friend from North Carolina who so capably represents Fort Bragg, I, as he knows, have five military installations in my district…
Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
I just want to say that my friend from North Carolina who so capably represents Fort Bragg, I, as he knows, have five military installations in my district that I am proud to represent. Tomorrow night, in fact, I am going to be at Fort Stewart talking to some of the soldiers. This is a program that does enjoy wide bipartisan support. We are going to keep working on this and find a way to make it happen.
We had lots of discussion in the appropriations committee. We could not quite come to a consensus of where to offset some money. I think there are a lot of programs out there that we should cut, reduce, eliminate, in order to provide adequate housing for our troops and the quality of life for our soldiers in general.
But the one thing to remember is we are in this position because of a technical change in the way the Congressional Budget Office has decided to score military housing. What they are doing is they charge all the money up-front, even though the private sector is paying for it. It is a paper entry. It is not a real dollar entry. I certainly respect what the Committee on the Budget is doing in trying to keep the integrity of the budget process going. I think it is very, very important that we all try to work through this thing. But if we are faced with this change in the scoring from the Congressional
Budget Office, I would like to see us find some waste, some duplication, and just some fat in the budget and come up with the money for our soldiers because I think it is so important.
I thank the gentleman for yielding. I have enjoyed working with him on various installation issues.
Mr. Speaker, when we look at the issue today, it is very simple. It is so simple. Private industry is putting a lot of money out so that our soldiers and their families can have adequate housing. But…
Mr. Speaker, when we look at the issue today, it is very simple. It is so simple. Private industry is putting a lot of money out so that our soldiers and their families can have adequate housing.
But let me look at the other side. When the pilots that we train, when the helicopter pilots leave, when the tank drivers leave, do you know how much it costs to train them? Private industry, my friends, they do not put one penny into that. It comes strictly from the taxpayers.
We know that a lot of the more senior members of the military are coming out, because the terrorist environment is blooming and they are getting out of the military so that they can get better paying jobs, and we are forcing them to leave the military because their families do not have adequate housing.
I have talked to helicopter pilots, and they tell me that they get calls in
Iraq about the plumbing in their homes not working, about the electricity having been shut off because of the wiring.
Mr. Speaker, let us do something that we need to do now and support our soldiers. It will take millions and millions of dollars when those senior members of the military get out, because their families do not want them to stay in the military because they do not have adequate housing.
Mr. Speaker, I promised the soldiers that we were going to correct that. Now I feel kind of embarrassed that we could not deliver to them what they need. I feel like my colleague. I am ashamed that we were not able to help our soldiers, those who are being wounded, those in the different hospitals.
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word. Mr. Chairman, let me add my thoughts to those of my friend from Indiana (Mr. Burton). What a great American Sam Johnson is. We cannot do enough to…
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
Mr. Chairman, let me add my thoughts to those of my friend from Indiana (Mr. Burton). What a great American Sam Johnson is. We cannot do enough to recognize his service. I appreciate that being included.
Just briefly, let me say that on the issue of military housing, I have got a plaque on my wall from the National Military Family Association for working with the families of our military. One of the great joys this year and the year before has been how all of the people in this body, men and women, Republicans and Democrats, have worked together so well with our chairman and the chairman of the full committee to address the issues of housing for our soldiers.
So as I have got that plaque on my wall, as I think about Fort Bragg and the epicenter of the universe and all those fine soldiers at Pope Air Force Base and around our country, I am just proud of our chairman and our Congress for working together across every imaginable line to do everything that we can to provide the best possible housing. We have done that. It is under way. I am extremely confident that we will find a way to make sure that that happens. I appreciate that. I appreciate our soldiers.
I yield to the gentleman from Georgia.
Reclaiming my time, I could not agree more. We will find a way. It will be done. I thank our soldiers, sailors, airmen, Marines and Coasties.
Mr. Chairman, I rise today in support of this bill to provide for military construction in Fiscal Year 2005. At a time when our Armed Forces are attempting to streamline and transform their…
Mr. Chairman, I rise today in support of this bill to provide for military construction in Fiscal Year 2005.
At a time when our Armed Forces are attempting to streamline and transform their operations, this bill provides crucial funding to
upgrade, maintain and construct the facilities necessary for this process.
One project of particular interest to me, and which I requested funds for, is a Houston Armed Forces Reserve Center, however, this project was not earmarked in the House bill.
The proposed facility will be designed for both Texas Army National Guard units and Marine Corps Reserve units.
Several existing National Guard facilities will either be vacated by this relocation, or remaining units will be closer to their required space authorizations.
The vacated facilities will reduce the average age of existing facilities and lessen maintenance backlogs.
This facility will have a direct impact on soldier readiness by providing proper authorized space to conduct indoor training, reduce driving distances for a majority of the soldiers residing in Houston, and provide modern facilities support for soldiers.
Additionally, this facility is in line with the military's goal of creating joint-use bases.
While the House bill did not provide an earmark for funding this project, I am hopeful that our appropriators will see fit to include this request in the conference report.
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word. Mr. Chairman, the hour is late and I am not going to take much time, but I think we would all be remiss if we did not acknowledge that this fitness…
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
Mr. Chairman, the hour is late and I am not going to take much time, but I think we would all be remiss if we did not acknowledge that this fitness center is going to be named after one of our dear colleagues who was a real war hero, in my opinion. Sam Johnson was shot down in Vietnam and spent 7\1/2\ years in a Vietnamese prison camp, the Hanoi Hilton; and he suffered tremendously during that 7\1/2\-year period. I think it is very, very fitting that he be honored by naming this fitness center after him. In fact, if I had my way and I think my colleagues, we would probably name a couple of air bases in total after him because he is a wonderful guy and a great Congressman.
Sam, if you are listening, we sure love you, buddy.
Mr. Speaker, I was not present for debate on rollcall vote 400, order of the previous question; rollcall vote 401, rule providing for consideration of Military Construction Appropriations (H. Res.…
Mr. Speaker, I was not present for debate on rollcall vote 400, order of the previous question; rollcall vote 401, rule providing for consideration of Military Construction Appropriations (H. Res. 732); rollcall vote 402, recognizing the 35th anniversary of the Apollo 11 lunar landing (H. Res. 723); rollcall vote 403, to name the Department of Veterans Affairs outpatient clinic located in Peoria, Illinois (H.R. 4608); rollcall vote 404, conference report for Coast Guard Reauthorization (H.R. 2443); rollcall vote 405, Tax Simplification for America's Job Creation Act (H.R. 4840); and rollcall vote 406, Military Housing Improvement Act (H.R. 4879).
Had I been present, I would have voted ``yea'' for rollcall votes 400, 401, 402, 403, 404, 405, and 406.
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[H.R. 4879 Referred in Senate (RFS)]
2d Session
H.R. 4879
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IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
July 22, 2004
Received
September 7, 2004
Read twice and referred to the Committee on Armed Services
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AN ACT
To increase the military housing private investment cap.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the
United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the ``Military Housing Improvement Act of
2004.''
SEC. 2. INCREASE IN MILITARY HOUSING PRIVATE INVESTMENT CAP.
Section 2883(g)(1) of title 10, United States Code, is amended by
striking ``$850,000,000'' and inserting ``$1,350,000,000''.
Passed the House of Representatives July 21, 2004.
Attest:
JEFF TRANDAHL,
Clerk.