Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded. Mr. President, we are about to begin a series of votes. There will be five votes. Many of these votes are on…
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Mr. President, we are about to begin a series of votes. There will be five votes. Many of these votes are on proposals to spend money above the allocations which we have in this budget. That is unfortunate and I think probably not good fiscal discipline or appropriate action.
I do think, however, it is important to look at the underlying bill as to its substance and its implications because I believe, through a bipartisan effort on the Appropriations Committee, working closely with the Senator from West Virginia and other members of the committee, we have been able to put together a bill which responds to many of the concerns that our Senate colleagues and the American people have.
I think if you ask the American people what they most fear relative to terrorist acts in the United States, it is terrorists who get their hands on a weapon of mass destruction. We know if biological or chemical weapons were used or, God forbid, a nuclear device was used in any of our major cities, the damage would be overwhelming. We know from his own testimony that it is Osama bin Laden's intention and the intention of his organizations to obtain those types of weapons and to try to use them against western cultures. Why? Because they are willing to kill people indiscriminately to make their political points. They are people without regard for human life, and they are people who act outside the boundaries of any norm of civilization.
I think if you talk to most Americans, they will tell you they are concerned about our borders. The fact is they read every day in the papers and they see on the streets situations which reflect the fact that people are coming into our country unaccounted for, that we have approximately 3 million people every year who are entering this country illegally, that we have somewhere between 8 million and 16 million people who are in this country illegally, that of the 300 to 500 million people who come across our borders legally, we do not have any idea who most of these people are and what their purposes are.
The vast majority of those people coming into this country legally are coming here to take advantage of America's good lifestyle or our business climate or to visit us and see our Nation, which we appreciate. But a very small percentage, unfortunately, come here with ill intent. And the American people rightly ask, Why is the Federal Government unable to control our borders?
Of course, there is a history to this. We are a nation that has always honored the openness of our borders. I remember growing up in New Hampshire, as does the Presiding Officer. We took great pride as a nation in the fact that people in the northern tier could travel into Canada and people from Canada could travel into the United States at will. They did, and they still try to. They still do, to a large degree.
People along our northern border in the New England region shop in Canada for their groceries. They get their haircuts in Canada. They take their boats up across the Canadian border and go fishing. And the same goes the other way. It used to be historically, until the Canadian dollar got a little weak, that the No. 1 tourist in New England was a Canadian coming down to take advantage of our coastlines or our mountains and enjoy the summer weather.
So this relationship has built up over literally hundreds of years. But now we have to be more vigilant. We know that, and especially along our southern border, where not only are there people coming across the border who are coming here to seek jobs, but there are people coming across the border who wish us ill will.
This bill has attempted to address this issue. We have done it in an aggressive way. As I said, there are 3 million people coming across our border illegally, as this chart shows. Of that group, unfortunately, a large number are not Mexicans. This is the biggest change we are seeing. For the most part, we know most people coming across our border who are of Mexican lineage are seeking jobs. They are seeking a better lifestyle. They are trying to improve their quality of life.
We now also see a large number of people coming across the Mexican border illegally who are not Mexicans, almost 100,000 a year. This is a serious problem for us because we do not know what countries they come from, and we know some of the countries they come from have a history of producing individuals who wish us ill will.
So what we did in this bill is we radically increased the number of Border Patrol agents. We are trying to expand our capacity as quickly as we can in putting feet on the ground on the border. That is what we have done here. We have added 1,000 new agents in this bill. We added 500 in the supplemental. That is 1,500 new agents. That is actually more than the Border Patrol has the capability to train--about 200 or 300 more--but we are putting pressure on them to accomplish that.
We also have increased training facilities so next year we will hopefully be able to add 2,000 or 2,500, and the following year 2,500, and the following year 2,500. Our goal is to increase the number of Border Patrol agents by 10,000 people over the next 4 or 5 years. But we have to ramp up to it. This year we are making an aggressive step in that direction with 1,500.
In addition, we have added over 4,100 detention beds because we know when a Border Patrol agent catches someone who is in this country illegally that, unfortunately, they are having to let a lot of people go or send them out on their personal recognizance. That is not acceptable. So we added 2,200 beds in this bill. We added 1,900 beds in the supplemental. We are ramping up our capacity to hold people here who may be a danger to us.
This bill is focused on threat. That is the purpose of this bill. It realigns our efforts as a Senate to focus the Homeland Security effort on what are the priority threats, the No. 1 threat being weapons of mass destruction. The No. 2 threat is the fact that our borders are so porous.
I appreciate the courtesy of the Presiding Officer and the Senate.
Amendment No. 1219 To Amendment No. 1124
Madam President, this amendment would add to the deficit by $302 million. It exceeds the committee's allocation. More importantly than that--or equally important--the Department cannot spend this money. The Department does not have in place yet the plans necessary to pursue this type of technology.
The administration asked for $40 million in this account. The committee
put $50 million into this account. We believe the first focus should be on pilot security relative to cargo, which is what we are working on right now, and then moving forward with technology which we are also working on, but we should do it in an orderly way, and this amendment would create a disorderly process and, as I said, add $302 million to the deficit.
I hope people will vote not to waive the budget point of order.
Mr. President, I point out initially that this amendment exceeds the budget allocation of the committee and is a deficit spending item. More important than that, the Department of Homeland Security does not yet have the technology nor the pilot programs capable of doing this. They will be pursuing this course of action when they are ready to do this in an effective and comprehensive way, and we will fund it.
Again, there dollars are being put in a problem that there is no solution for at this time. The Department has not asked for money for this because they know they are not capable of handling it yet. We will certainly pursue this activity, if it is appropriate, as the Department gets their pilot programs in place and shows that they can handle this type of program. Right now it is premature. In addition, of course, it is deficit spending.
I hope Senators support the budget point of order and vote against waiving it.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the previously agreed to Hatch amendment numbered 1221 be modified with the changes that are at the desk.
Mr. President, I suggest all time be yielded back.
I ask unanimous consent that after this vote, which is the final vote of this group, there be 3 hours to be divided in the usual form to be used concurrently on the amendments; provided further that following the use or yielding back of debate time, the Senate proceed to the votes in relation to the following amendments: Senator Byrd's amendment 1218; my amendment No. 1220, as modified; Senator Shelby's amendment 1205. Provided further that no second-degree amendments be in order and the amendments be prior to the votes.
The time will be divided as follows under the 3-hour agreement: Senator Shelby, 15 minutes; Senator Schumer, 15 minutes; Senator Reed of Rhode Island, 15 minutes; Senator Carper, 15 minutes; Senator Biden, 15 minutes; Senator Sarbanes, 15 minutes; Senator Byrd, 15 minutes; and I will retain an hour.
I yield.
Proceed.
As I understand it, the prior unanimous consent request that I asked for reflects the Democratic leader's time was also agreed to.
Thank you.
Amendment No. 1217
Reserving the right to object.
I suggest the absence of a quorum.
I have no objection to the request by the Democratic leader.
Mr. President, I understand I have a minute now in opposition to the amendment by the Senator from Michigan.
Mr. President, this will be a $5 billion budget buster. It is $5 billion above the allocation. Just as significant, it is declared an emergency. Now, under the budget rules, an emergency is something that is sudden, urgent, or unforeseen. Clearly, this is not a sudden, urgent, or unforeseen event. In fact, we have spent over $1.8 billion already on interoperability. There are significant dollars in the bill for interoperability.
The problem with interoperability is, quite simply, no one can agree on what the interoperability should be yet. In fact, we spent 10 years trying to reach a regime on this. It is called standard P25. It has not been reached yet. We will continue to put money into interoperability, but this money will be misallocated and misspent if it is put in at this level. And it would clearly add to the deficit by $5 billion.
So I hope people will support the budget point of order to make the point this is not an emergency. Should this point of order be sustained, there may be another vote. We will have to wait and see what the Senator from Michigan wants to do.
Mr. President, I thought the motion was on the emergency designation. The amendment would survive that, and we would need a vote on the amendment. I ask for a voice vote on the amendment.
Mr. President, I move to reconsider the vote and to lay that motion on the table.
The motion to lay on the table was agreed to.
Mr. President, we are now proceeding under a prior unanimous consent agreement relative to debate on the three amendments dealing with mass transit and rail. I hope that Members who have time allocated under that agreement will come over and begin the debate. Otherwise, I recommend that the time be equally divided in the quorum call between my hour and the 2 hours on the other side and that the time come off those in the proper proportion.
I suggest the absence of a quorum.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that amendment No. 1117, Senator Nelson; amendment No. 1118, Senator Nelson; amendment No. 1137, Senator Collins; amendment No. 1108, Senator Lott; amendment No. 1197, Senator Lautenberg; and amendment No. 1194, Senator Nelson, which are at the desk, be called up and agreed to en bloc.
Mr. President, I send a modification to the desk of amendment No. 1111, on behalf of Senator Dorgan, and ask unanimous consent that it be agreed to.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent to withdraw amendment No. 1113 of the Senator from Hawaii, Mr. Akaka.
Mr. President, what is the status of the time?
Mr. President, I want to review this issue because it is important in the context of London to understand our purpose and how we are proceeding from a policy standpoint to try to address terrorism. To begin with, we all know and understand and are all concerned about the threat to public transportation, specifically mass transportation, in our Nation and in any western culture because of what has happened in Madrid and in London and because the people who have decided to pursue this heinous approach of killing innocent individuals see this opportunity as a soft target, an easy way to kill indiscriminately. It is hard for western cultures to understand that people would do that. Unfortunately, that is what our enemies do.
We as a nation must decide how we can best address protecting ourselves. It is important not to take the attitude that if we just throw money at this, we will solve the problem. That doesn't work. What we need to do is address the risk, the threat, and determine what is the best way to respond to that risk and that threat.
When we were attacked on 9/11, we recognized as a nation that the individuals who seek to harm us are willing to take what we would consider everyday modes of transportation and use those modes of transportation as a weapon against us. Those airplanes were used as missiles. So as a nation, we decided we were not going to allow that to happen. We have committed vast resources--no question about it--to making sure that our aircraft are secure from being used as missiles. Have we secured them from being able to be blown up or destroyed in the air? No, we have not, quite honestly. We have had test after test that has shown that regrettably, even though we have this massive structure of the TSA and even though we have committed literally billions of dollars, we are still unable
to essentially protect aircraft, a high percentage of the time, from someone who wishes to bring on that aircraft a destructive weapon such as a bomb. In fact, we are having trouble keeping out individual types of weapons such as knives and guns. The percentage of those going through the security systems has been shown to be, in some instances, unreasonably high.
The reason is because a committed professional terrorist--and that is what we are dealing with--has the capacity to use weapons systems which can go undetected, going through this massive system that we have set up known as the TSA. That is something we are trying to address. We are trying to develop new technologies. There are new technologies emerging which will hopefully allow us to detect explosives that might go on an aircraft. But as of now, our capacity is not overwhelmingly good, even though we have spent billions of dollars.
What we have been able to accomplish is that it will be very difficult for a terrorist to actually take control of an aircraft again and use it as a weapon. That was our priority.
Now we have seen what has happened in London. The simple fact is, even though we spent billions of dollars at very confined ports of entry--in other words, an airport is a pretty confined place, pretty easily managed compared to other places when it comes to the movement of people in and out, everything has a fairly focused place--we have not yet been able to adequately or fully secure aircraft from a variety of potential attacks. It has to be obvious to anyone who is honest about it that our capacity to fully secure transit in New York City, where you have literally factors of a hundred more people using aircraft as entering and exiting--the number is something like 10 million people a day use that system. We have tracks that go on continually through populated areas that could be where IEDs could be put under the tracks, where you have innumerable places where people can jump on and jump off, thousands of different entry points--anybody who has any intellectual honesty about how we pursue terrorism must be ready to say: There isn't enough money in the Federal Treasury to effectively address securing the entire transit system in the manner which is being proposed in these amendments, which is that you put more police officers on trains, more bomb dogs on trains, more detection facilities in the entryways, more electronic surveillance.
We wish it could be done, but we haven't been able to do it in the aircraft area where we have spent billions, and the ability to do it in the transit area is a factor of complication 1,000 times more difficult with which to deal.
Thus these dollars which are being proposed today are not going to dramatically increase safety. They well may have some visual impact, and they will give people personal confidence. But as the mayor of New York said a couple days ago, a committed professional terrorist who is willing to give their life in order to kill other people is going to be able to attack that train, to attack that bus system.
How do you address this? The key to addressing it is as Secretary Chertoff has made very clear. It is unfortunate that his words have been hyperbolized so much on the floor of the Senate and have been used in a political manner. This is a sincere man who is trying to do a good job. He is just getting started as Secretary. For him to be subjected to politicization in the Senate is not constructive to the process of the defense of our country from terrorists, but he has been, as so often happens around here. What he has pointed out in his review is the way we protect our transit systems is to get better intelligence. It is intelligence that is the key. You have to find these people before they find us. You have to catch them before they get to our systems, and then you deal with them.
How do you increase intelligence? First, you go to where the breeding ground is for the people who are most likely to attack you--Iraq, Afghanistan. Most of the good intelligence we are generating today comes from the fact that we are in Iraq fighting these terrorists over there rather than fighting them over here. We are in Afghanistan finding these terrorists before they can find us. And then we either get intelligence from them there or, if they are really bad people who are fundamentally evil, we take them to Guantanamo Bay and we lock them up. Then, under very strict regimes which meet all the responsibilities of a civilized society, we interrogate them and find out information, intelligence.
A large percentage of our intelligence comes out of Guantanamo Bay. So you aggressively pursue the intelligence efforts, and that means you aggressively pursue the war in Iraq, in Afghanistan, and you use places such as Guantanamo Bay.
In addition, you use our laws effectively. The PATRIOT Act, which has been so aggressively maligned from some of the Members actually offering this amendment, is a key element in developing the intelligence necessary to find out through electronic means what is up with the people who might want to attack us before they do so.
Some of the same people who want to put a billion dollars into initiatives which we know cannot significantly impact our capacity to secure the transit systems are so resistant to allowing the PATRIOT Act to be reauthorized, which provides the tools that will give our people at the FBI and other intelligence sources the capacity to find out what these people are doing by electronic means.
And then, of course, there are issues like profiling. The simple fact is there are certain people coming from the Middle East whom we know are going to be the type of folks who are going to potentially attack us. Profiling is a necessary element of finding them and getting them before they can attack us. Most of that activity--intelligence gathering--does not fall under this bill.
What does fall under this bill is border security. That is a big part of this whole question of how you protect the transit systems and everything else in America. It is not just transit systems; this doesn't stop with transit systems. If you are a terrorist--if you follow the logic of the Senator from Rhode Island--you are going to just move on to the next site of soft opportunity, which may be a sporting event or a utility system where they are transmitting power or maybe some other facility where people gather.
We are an open society and a massive democracy. We simply cannot lock ourselves down completely. So that is why the intel exercise is so important. Part of that is securing our borders, which is critical. Putting more money into securing our borders is what the bill does. Putting more money to making sure we are able to detect a weapon of mass destruction before it is used against us is what this bill does. Those are threats we can handle with more dollars. Those are the threats we can have an immediate impact on with more dollars--with a lot more dollars. This bill moves a lot more dollars into these accounts--over $600 million in the Border Patrol, and hundreds of millions in weapons of mass destruction issues. But to simply throw another billion dollars on the table because there is a political element behind the implications of doing that is not going to resolve the problem.
In fact, in the end, that will probably aggravate the issue because we will be taking scarce resources--which we have to allocate because we live under a philosophy that we only have so many funds--and putting them into an account where we cannot, A, use it; or, B, if we use it, it might be wasted, and if we use it ineffectively, its impact might be at the margin versus if you move the funds into areas where we get a response that produces results, such as in the intelligence area, Border Patrol area, weapons of mass destruction area. That is why this bill has been set up the way it has been set up.
So, yes, I don't deny that we can spend another billion dollars on mass transit. I am sure every mass transit authority in the country will be happy to replace their local spending with new Federal dollars, or even add it onto their spending. But will it dramatically impact the security of those transit systems, other than a visual impact? No. Let's be honest, it will not.
The only way we are going to secure transit systems or sports events or other major gathering sites is to find these people before they find us. That is why the war in Iraq is so important and the war in Afghanistan is so important, and that is why maintaining a vibrant facility in Guantanamo where we
can incarcerate and interrogate these people in an appropriate way, aggressively, is important. It is why the PATRIOT Act and profiling and border security are important.
Those are the priorities on which we should be focused. So I have to oppose both amendments by Mr. Shelby and Mr. Byrd. I respect them both, and I understand where they are coming from. I respect their initiatives to try to do something here. Within the context of the budget, we have put the money where we think we can most effectively use it, which, as I have outlined, has been weapons of mass destruction, border security, and airlines.
So I will be opposing both of these and making a point of order that they will exceed the budget allocation and exceed our allocation within the Appropriations Committee, and that both amendments would add a billion dollars to the deficit.
I have, however, listened to my colleagues saying we need more money in mass transit. We have offered an amendment which would move $100 million out of first responders into mass transit. It would mean we would be $50 million above last year's spending in those accounts. If Members wish to pursue that course, I hope they will vote for that amendment because it is a responsible amendment and an affordable one, done within the context of the bill, which has a structure built around addressing threat first.
I reserve the remainder of my time.
I yield the floor and suggest the absence of a quorum.
Mr. President, how are the quorum calls being charged?
Mr. President, I am fairly confident that earlier, at the beginning of this section, I asked that all quorum calls be charged equally in relationship to the time allocated. In fact, I am absolutely confident that I made that unanimous consent request. However, I will renew that unanimous consent request at this time.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the time be restored in the context of that request, and I suggest the absence of a quorum.
Mr. President, I have a modification of my amendment No. 1220 which I send to the desk and ask be accepted.
Yes. I reserve my request and make a point of order a quorum is not present.
I ask again the modification I sent to the desk be accepted.
Mr. President, I now make a point of order under section 302(f) of the Congressional Budget Act that the amendment provided by Senator Byrd provides spending in excess of the subcommittee's 302(b) allocation.
I ask all time be yielded back, if the Senator from West Virginia is agreeable.
I ask unanimous consent the next two votes be 10 minutes in duration.
I also ask unanimous consent that prior to the next two votes there be 2 minutes equally divided.
Mr. President, this is an amendment to increase funding in the mass transit area by $100 million which is done by taking that money out of a different account, specifically the State and local first responder account. The reason that account was chosen was, as we discussed before, there is over $7 billion of unspent money in those accounts.
To the extent the States have the capacity to handle that money, we will make sure they get additional moneys, but right now they have more money than they can handle in those accounts.
This will be within the budget. I hope Members support this amendment.
Amendment No. 1205
I ask for the yeas and nays.
I move to reconsider the vote.
Mr. President, I raise a point of order under section 302(f) of the Congressional Budget Act that the amendment offered by Senator Shelby provides spending in excess of the subcommittee's 302(b) allocation.
Mr. President, we have had substantial debate on the substance of this amendment, the fact that the $1 billion probably will not impact dramatically the security situation. It might actually misallocate funds that could otherwise be used for intelligence and for Border Patrol agents and for other activities that are so critical and that are threat-oriented.
But the practical bottom line is this amendment is $1 billion over the budget and will add to the deficit by $1 billion, if it is adopted. I urge that the motion to waive be defeated.