I rise in opposition to the amendment. I yield myself as much time as I may consume. (Mr. HASTINGS of Washington asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.) Mr. Speaker, I rise…
I rise in opposition to the amendment.
I yield myself as much time as I may consume.
(Mr. HASTINGS of Washington asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to this amendment. As I said in my opening statement, this amendment was crafted in a manner that has become the hallmark of this Democrat-led House, this behind closed doors, with very little time for the American people or the people of Hawaii to review it. It has been available for public review, Mr. Speaker, for less than 48 hours.
Just last night, Hawaii's Governor, Linda Lingle, a strong supporter of Native Hawaiian recognition, announced her opposition to this substitute.
As introduced, the basic bill, H.R. 2314, provides that matters such as transferring lands and preempting Federal and State civil, criminal, and tax jurisdiction must be subject to negotiation with and the consent of the State of Hawaii and the U.S. Congress.
But this substitute short circuits that public process. It immediately preempts the State of Hawaii's jurisdiction over civil, tax, and possibly criminal matters. All the Native Hawaiian entity would have to do is undertake any activity in the name of an official government action and immunity from the State authority applies.
The substitute makes a number of major revisions, all written in secret, away from public view. And let me, Mr. Speaker, just highlight a few:
It creates a new membership criteria that is six pages in length. They do not require one to reside in Hawaii to be a member of this newly created entity.
Second, these six pages of membership criteria are ultimately meaningless. Once the governing entity is formally recognized, it may discard these criteria and grant, deny, or revoke membership for any reason.
In the substitute, section 6C-1 establishes the White House as the lead agency to implement this act.
Mr. Speaker, this unreasonably injects the political operatives of the White House into the formation of the governing entity.
A new section 7 also requires the Attorney General to assign a Department of Justice attorney to assist and protect the government entity. This will wrongfully color the objectivity of the Justice Department when a challenge of the constitutionality of this act is inevitably made. And, Mr. Speaker, I am convinced there will be one made.
Mr. Speaker, there are fundamental changes from the original bill that deserve more scrutiny than we can provide on the House floor today because we've only had, as I mentioned, 48 hours to look at it.
But let me repeat that perhaps the most objectionable provisions are the ones in which the race-based entity is immunized from lawsuits in any Federal or State court, and shielded from State civil, tax, and possibly criminal jurisdiction.
Now, I realize this debate has been going on. I realize the gentleman from Hawaii (Mr. Abercrombie) has attempted to accommodate the objections of Governor Lingle and the Attorney General of Hawaii, and he should really be commended for that effort. But the accommodations, at least thus far, do not resolve their fundamental problems with this bill, which is the preemption of State civil, taxation, and possibly criminal jurisdiction without the consent of the State.
Governor Lingle, as I mentioned, last night formally announced her opposition to this substitute. In referring to the changes made by the substitute, the Governor said, ``I do not believe such a structure, of two completely different sets of rules--one for `governmental' activities of the Native Hawaiian governing entity and its officers and employees, and one for everyone else--makes sense for Hawaii.''
Mr. Speaker, perhaps this impasse could have been avoided if the Governor and the Attorney General had been privy to those negotiations, at least to the details where they could or could not agree. But, again, those decisions were kept from these people apparently because they did not agree with this substitute.
Mr. Speaker, then what will be the practical result of this substitute if it becomes law? Does it mean the native entity can construct a government building for its officers and employees in violation of State zoning laws? Does it permit the entity to discharge waste material in violation of State law? Will it prevent anyone from enforcing contracts made with the entity?
Mr. Speaker, if this bill becomes law, those questions are left unanswered. And so perhaps we will learn the answers to these questions after it's too late. The State will be unable to enforce its laws and regulations over the entity because of the new provisions in this substitute.
Mr. Speaker, I just want to emphasize this point. It is not reasonable to roll over the sovereign rights of a State. And it is especially not reasonable when the Governor of that State, in this case Governor Lingle--who has long been a proponent of the principles embodied in this issue--disagrees and cannot support the amendment in the nature of a substitute that we are discussing here tonight.
For these reasons, Mr. Speaker, I urge and ask my colleagues to vote ``no'' on this substitute.
Statement by Governor Linda Lingle on the Native Hawaiian Government
Reorganization Act
``For more than seven years, my administration and I have
strongly supported recognition for Native Hawaiians and
supported the Akaka Bill.
``We have supported a bill that would set up a process of
recognition first, followed by negotiations between the
Native Hawaiian governing entity, the State of Hawai`i, and
the United States. Once that was completed, it would be
followed by the Native Hawaiian governing entity's exercise
of governmental powers and authorities.
``Amendments made to the bill in December 2009 turned that
process around. The current bill establishes that the Native
Hawaiian governing entity would start with broad governmental
powers and authorities, with negotiations to follow.
``Although I believe the original plan to negotiate first
makes more sense, my administration has tried to work with
the Hawai`i Congressional delegation on the new structure to
establish governing powers first, with negotiations to
follow.
``Ultimately, although we had good and productive
discussions, the current draft of the bill is not one I can
support.
``The basic problem as I see it, is that in the current
version of the bill, the `governmental' (non-commercial)
activities of the Native Hawaiian governing entity, its
employees, and its officers, will be almost completely free
from State and County regulation, including free from those
laws and rules that protect the health and safety of
Hawai`i's people, and protect the environment. `Governmental'
activity is a broad undefined term that can encompass almost
any non-commercial activity.
``This structure will, in my opinion, promote divisiveness
and litigation, rather than negotiation and resolution.
``I do not believe such a structure, of two completely
different sets of rules--one for `governmental' activities of
the Native Hawaiian governing entity and its officers and
employees, and one for everyone else--makes sense for
Hawai`i.
``In addition, under the current bill, the Native Hawaiian
governing entity has almost complete sovereign immunity from
lawsuits, including from ordinary tort and contract lawsuits,
and I do not believe this makes sense for the people of
Hawai`i.
``My decision to not support the current version of the
Akaka Bill is done with a heavy heart, because I so strongly
believe in recognition for Native Hawaiians.
``If the bill in its current form passes the House of
Representatives, I would hope it can be amended in the United
States Senate.''
I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, can I inquire how much time on both sides remains.
Mr. Speaker, I will yield myself 3 minutes.
Mr. Speaker, in the exchange between my friend from American Samoa and my friend from Hawaii, the issue was brought up that Governor Lingle was contacted today and that there would be a way to try to satisfy her concerns, and I don't doubt at all that that effort will be tried. Hopefully it will be successful. But let me just review where we were.
When we started the process, when we started this Congress, the original text of H.R. 2314 was something that Governor Lingle endorsed. The Senate bill, which I think was identical or very close, she also endorsed that. But now with the action of the other body, with the Senate in passing what is commonly referred to as the Akaka amendment, which is similar to what we are debating here today, the Governor does not support that.
Now we have the base bill here which the Governor does support, and we're debating now a substitute--which I hope doesn't pass but I am a realist. And it may pass. And now we will have a bill in both Houses or two bills, one in each House, in which the Governor disagrees with.
Now, if you're negotiating in good faith, it would seem to me that you should at least start with the position where the Governor of the affected State is in agreement with what you're trying to do and that's not the case today if the substitute were to pass.
Now, again, I am going to say that I take my good friend from Hawaii at his word that he is going to negotiate. Maybe if he was the only negotiator it could be worked out. I don't know because I don't know what is going on behind those doors. Nobody knows, unfortunately.
I would be happy to yield to my friend.
Well, reclaiming my time, maybe we could work together on that right now if that would be the case.
Mr. Speaker, I am simply pointing this out because this is evolving into a process, and who is being left out of this process happens to be the elected Governor of the State of Hawaii. And to me that is regretful.
With that, I will reserve my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 2 minutes. Reference was made to how this would affect the laws of Hawaii.
Let me read from the Abercrombie substitute, page 51, line 1H: The Native American governing entity shall be immune from any lawsuit in any Federal or State court, with some exceptions as I had noted earlier.
On the same page, page 51 of the Abercrombie substitute, line 18: Governmental nonbusiness, noncommercial activities undertaken by the Native Hawaiian government entity shall not be subject to the regulatory or taxation authority of the State of Hawaii.
Now, Mr. Speaker, I am just pointing out this is what the substitute says, and these are the concerns that the Attorney General of the State of Hawaii and the Governor of Hawaii have, because we all know when we are writing laws here that the word ``shall'' as opposed to ``may'' has very, very strong meaning, and in both cases it says ``shall.''
With that, Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I wonder if I could inquire of my friend from Hawaii if there are any more speakers on their side of the aisle.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, once again, I want to congratulate and commend my good friend from Hawaii, because I know he has been working on this all the time that he has been here and probably before. But I just fundamentally disagree with the approaches taken with his substitute simply because, at least in the broadest sense, this is the only State that is affected by this legislation, the State of Hawaii.
Why should we push forward when the Governor of this State does not agree with the substitute and when the chief legal officer has some question, apparently--in fact, it is not apparent, it is pretty obvious--with some of the remarks I think that my friend just made as it relates to laws and regulations to the State of Hawaii?
Since this legislation only affects one State, wouldn't it be prudent for this body and representatives of the other 49 States to suggest to the State of Hawaii and all their elected officials, Why don't you come up with something that you can fundamentally agree on? But that has not been the case. It has not been the case in the other body, and, if this substitute passes, it will not be the case in this body. And that disturbs me. That disturbs me that we completely apparently don't want to take into consideration their concerns on issues that affect the citizens of the State of Hawaii.
So it is for those reasons, Mr. Speaker, that I urge my colleagues to vote against the Abercrombie substitute; because if the Abercrombie substitute is defeated, we will now have a bill that the Governor of Hawaii can support. That is a good starting point in future negotiations if the House or the Senate, the other body, were to pass this legislation.
With that, Mr. Speaker, I urge my colleagues to vote ``no'' on the Abercrombie amendment.
I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I have an amendment made in order under the rule.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 4 minutes.
Mr. Speaker, my amendment simply requires a statewide vote of approval in Hawaii before the Federal recognition is extended to the Native Hawaiian entity.
The use of a statewide vote in Hawaii is not uncommon. For example, it has been used to establish staggered terms for the State Senate, to modify the term length for the State Tax Commission, to issue bonds for private schools, and to establish residency requirements for candidates seeking higher office.
My amendment merely proposes that before Congress changes the civil rights of all Hawaiians and establishes a two-tiered government in Hawaii, one of which is based on an individual's ancestry and race, a vote of all Hawaiians should be held to approve these changes.
The most important statewide vote held in Hawaii occurred in 1959, when 94.3 percent of Hawaiians voted in favor of the Hawaiian Admissions Act in joining the Union as one unified State. When the outcome of the statewide vote was published, there was no footnote indicating that Native Hawaiians would be separated from their neighbors as a distinct political unit.
In fact, there is ample testimony and statements from public officials describing the racial harmony in the melting pot that was and still is Hawaiian culture. This is not to say Native Hawaiians should not have a distinct culture and history though, Mr. Speaker. We all honor and respect their culture and its contributions to all Americans, but this does not mean that there must be a separate legal and political status for them just as there must not be a separate legal and political status for anyone else based on their race and ancestry. It would be a grave mistake for Congress to impose this new separate government affecting the citizens of Hawaii without their consent, as H.R. 2314 proposes to do.
I must point out that even if my amendment is adopted, Mr. Speaker, it will not relieve the serious concerns that many of my colleagues and constitutional experts outside of Congress have with the underlying subject of this legislation, but what this amendment does do is that it puts the question to the people this legislation affects most, the citizens of Hawaii. In 1959, as I said, 94-plus percent of Hawaiians voted for statehood. Today, Hawaiians should be afforded a statewide vote on the question of creating a separate government based on race.
With that, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 1\1/2\ minutes.
Mr. Speaker, just in response, the State of Hawaii can and does hold statewide votes during general elections. Article 17 of the Hawaii Constitution describes the process for holding such votes, and it takes the action of the legislature. This is consistent with Hawaii's political culture.
Since 1994, for example, the State of Hawaii has considered 25 different statewide votes. They include a number of things, and I talked about that in my opening remarks. But Mr. Speaker, I am convinced that if we were to pass this bill, article 17 would come into play, because I believe in all likelihood, because of recent polling, the legislature of Hawaii would say, you know, we have the ability to put this to a vote; maybe we ought to do this since we are creating another governmental entity that has different rules and regulations than the State of Hawaii. That seems self-evident to me. My amendment simply facilitates that by saying that that should happen and it can happen under article 17 of the Hawaiian Constitution.
With that, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself the balance of the time.
Let me just make reference to the 1959 vote. The vote was not whether you accept statehood--because if they had voted no, they could not have been a State--the question is whether they wanted statehood. Over 94 percent said yes, they want statehood. So that is a little bit of semantics there, but it is very important.
This issue to me is equally as important because the vote there said we want to become part of the United States as a unified State. This action that we are debating here today could divide the State of Hawaii. They ought to have the opportunity to vote. So I urge my colleagues to vote for the Hastings amendment.
With that, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, on that I demand the yeas and nays.