Madam President, we are now back on the bill, as the clerk has indicated, and as the Acting President pro tempore has indicated. It was agreed to last night in our unanimous consent request that I offered and was accepted that the next…
Madam President, we are now back on the bill, as the clerk has indicated, and as the Acting President pro tempore has indicated. It was agreed to last night in our unanimous consent request that I offered and was accepted that the next order of business would be to take up the Kyl amendment, and there would be protected either a second-degree or a side-by-side amendment to that amendment; and then we would move, after that, to an amendment by the Senator from Connecticut, Mr. Lieberman, and a side-by-side or second-degree amendment could then be offered by the Senator from Indiana, Mr. Bayh.
Madam President, I see my friend from Arizona is here. In a moment, I am going to suggest we reverse the order of that because of Senator Kerry's requirements this morning. I have no objection at some point to entering into a time agreement on Kyl, by the way, at all. That is not the purpose, to delay that to a cloture moment. But I think the minority would want to see the language of any side-by-side before there was an agreement to a time agreement. If not, I am happy to enter into a time agreement on Senator Kyl's and any second degree or side- by-side at any time my good friend from Arizona wants to do that.
But in order for the convenience of the parties, if Senator Lieberman and Senator Bayh could come down now--if they can do that--I would like to inquire about that and dispose of their amendments first and then take up the Kyl amendment with a time agreement--just to reverse the order of those two because of the Finance Committee's meetings this morning, which Senator Kerry needs to attend.
I have not had a chance to talk to my friend from Arizona about this just because of the way the morning goes. That is what I would like to suggest. If that can be done, it would simplify things.
There are also a number of other things we need to do. We have--and I think the Senator from Arizona is familiar with this--an amendment on voting rights for the troops which I think has been cleared. It is a bipartisan amendment which is going to need about 15 minutes of debate, I understand. That could be done as well, hopefully.
But my goal, if it is agreeable to the Republican manager, would be to basically flip the two, with time agreements for both, going first to the Lieberman and Bayh amendments, if they are able to do it.
Madam President, if the Senator would withhold that request for a moment so I may comment.
Madam President, I was not suggesting that we not proceed this morning; I was suggesting that we reverse the order to accommodate a Senator who is going to be offering a second-degree amendment. If that is not acceptable, we do not need to do that. I was simply trying to accommodate the Senator so that the second-degree or side-by-side amendment that was in the unanimous consent proposal last night could be offered by him. If that is not agreeable to the Republican side, then I obviously am not going to make the suggestion. But it would not delay anything; all it would do would be to change the order of events to accommodate us. If that is not acceptable to the minority, then I will obviously not make that unanimous consent proposal.
Madam President, of course, that is exactly what I was proposing. I appreciate the willingness of the Senator from Arizona to try to work that out.
There is no problem with the time agreement on the Lieberman-Bayh matters because the reason we couldn't do that is that the Bayh language was not available in time for the minority side to consider a time agreement. We would be happy to have a time agreement of 1 hour on the Lieberman amendment, 1 hour on the Bayh amendment; 2 hours together, in other words. We are happy to have a time agreement on Senator Kyl's amendment, but we were only suggesting that we reverse the order to accommodate things here. It would not result in any additional use of time; it would not delay anything; it would simply reverse the order for the accommodation of the Senator who needs to be here to offer a second-degree amendment, if we are going to do it, or a side-by-side to Senator Kyl's first-degree amendment.
Madam President, what we need to do along that line is to see if we can get an agreement from Senator Lieberman and from Senator Bayh on a time agreement on those two amendments. I would suggest, as the Senator from Arizona did, that there be an hour equally divided on each, which will be a total of 2 hours, and then if the majority leader is agreeable to this----
I suggest the absence----
Mr. LIEBERMAN addressed the Chair.
Madam President, I suggest that we seek an agreement that there be 2 hours on the two amendments together, one equally divided between the Senator from Connecticut and the Senator from Indiana.
I suggest the absence of a quorum.
Madam President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Madam President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for consideration of amendments this morning be switched and that the Senate now consider the Lieberman amendment No. 1627 and the Bayh amendment No. 1767; that the amendments be debated concurrently for a total of 150 minutes, with 90 minutes under the control of Senator Lieberman and 60 minutes under the control of Senator Bayh; that no amendments be in order to either amendment; that upon the use or yielding back of time, the vote in relation to the amendments occur at a time to be determined, with the first vote in relation to the Bayh amendment, to be followed by a vote in relation to the Lieberman amendment, with 2 minutes of debate prior to the second vote.
I thank the Presiding Officer and I thank my colleagues for working this out to try to accommodate all of us the best we can.
I yield the floor.
I yield myself 10 minutes of the time of Senator Bayh.
Madam President, I oppose the Lieberman amendment that would eliminate funding for the Joint Strike Fighter alternate engine. The committee voted 12 to 10 to keep this competition going. I emphasize, this is not a new engine that is being introduced. This effort is to have a competitive engine. This effort has been supported by Congress for many years. Indeed, our Armed Services Committee had a vote on this 2 years ago where we determined to maintain the competition. This year's vote was 12 to 10.
A fundamental tenet for reforming the Defense Department's acquisition system is ensuring competition throughout the development and production cycle of major acquisition systems, whenever and wherever that makes sense. In the case of the Joint Strike Fighter Program, Congress has concluded repeatedly that competition makes sense because of the size of this buy.
The JSF program is planned to be one of the largest acquisition programs ever undertaken by the Defense Department. The Defense Department intends to buy more than 2,400 JSF aircraft, with our foreign partners slated to buy at least another 600. That means we are talking about a program of more than 3,000 aircraft. That means more than 3,000 engines. The cost of the engines alone will exceed $50 billion over the life of the program. This is not an issue such as whether we add F-22s. This is a matter of whether we are going to have competition in a program everybody supports and where we intend to purchase about 3,000 planes.
A number of studies have been done trying to estimate the economic costs and benefits of developing a second engine. The analysis of our Government Accountability Office, which Congress directed to review this, came out a few years ago. Michael Sullivan, GAO Director of Acquisition and Sourcing Management, testified as follows in March 2006 before the House Armed Services Committee:
The current estimated remaining life cycle cost for the JSF
engine under the sole-source scenario is $53.4 billion. To
ensure competition by continuing the JSF alternate engine
program, an additional investment of $3.6 billion to $4.5
billion may be required.
This was back in 2007. It is a lot less than that now to complete this program.
Continuing from the testimony:
However, the associated competitive pressures from this
strategy could result in savings equal to or exceeding that
amount across the life cycle of the engine. The cost analysis
that we performed suggests that a savings of 10.3 to 12.3
percent would recoup that investment, and actual experience
from past engine competitions suggests that it is reasonable
to assume that competition on the JSF engine program could
yield savings of at least that much. These results are
dependent on how the government decides to run the
competition, the number of aircraft that are ultimately
purchased, and the exact ratio of engines awarded to each
contract. In addition, DOD-commissioned reports and other
officials have said that non financial benefits in terms of
better engine performance and reliability, improved
industrial base stability, and more responsive contractors
are more likely outcomes under a competitive environment than
under a sole-source strategy. [Department of Defense]
experience with other aircraft engine programs, including
that for the F-16 fighter, has shown competitive pressures
can generate financial benefits of up to 20 percent during
the life cycle of an engine program and/or the other benefits
mentioned. The potential for cost savings and performance
improvements, along with the impact the engine program could
have on the industrial base, underscores the importance and
long-term implications of [Department of Defense] decision
making with regard to the final acquisition strategy.
A few months ago, before the Armed Services Committee, in May of 2009, that same Mr. Sullivan of the GAO said that his study of 2007 is still relevant and the same conclusions can be drawn.
This is not a new engine which is being introduced. This is an engine development program to provide competition which has been long underway. The Department of Defense and Congress have approved, authorized, and appropriated spending so far of $2.5 billion for this alternate engine. The most important point I think I can make is this is not $4 billion or $5 billion or $6 billion additional funds we are talking about. In order to complete the development of this competitive engine, it will require $1.8 billion. So that $2.5 billion is already sunk into this engine development program. That is probably two-thirds of its cost already sunk into it. The question is, do we complete the development of this alternative engine at a cost of about $1.8 billion? That would conclude the cost for the engine contractor and other government costs for that program, for testing activities and for oversight. So again, the issue is not whether to introduce a new engine. The question is, do we complete the development of a second engine which is already two-thirds paid for?
We received a letter this morning--I received a letter this morning-- from the Secretary of Defense, and the letter concludes that if the final bill presented to the President contains provisions that would seriously disrupt the F-35 program, the President's senior advisers will recommend that the President veto the bill.
If the final bill presented to the President contained provisions that would seriously disrupt the F-35 program, I would recommend to the President that he veto the bill. There is no serious disruption to the F-35 program that would occur whether or not the Bayh amendment is adopted. The Bayh amendment makes triply sure there will be no disruption at all, even a minute disruption, in the F-35 program. It is not going to be disrupted at all.
The funding for this alternate engine in the bill which the committee approved came from a Marine helicopter program, a part of which could not be produced this year. So the committee determined that it could safely take funds that were requested for that program, which could not be spent this year. A question has been raised about that. There is no one on this committee, there is no one in this Senate, who wants to slow down a Marine helicopter program. None of us will permit that to happen. That program is a vital program. We have spent a lot of money on it. It is critically necessary.
The decision, which was made by the Armed Services Committee, was to simply take funds which could not be spent for that program, because of development delays, and to spend that, instead, for the second engine. However, what the Bayh amendment does is to make triply sure, to reassure everybody there cannot possibly be any impact on a Marine helicopter program, by finding a separate, a different, a distinct source, an alternate source, for this second engine.
So the Bayh amendment removes any question about Marine helicopters. If adopted, that will be off the table. It was off the table in any event. But everybody wants to assure the Marines, assure our people that there is not going to be any impact on a Marine helicopter program for any reason, much less a second engine.
There is another question which some have raised about whether two engines--
I thank the Acting President pro tempore.
Madam President, how much time is left for Senator Bayh?
I would, in that case, conclude my statement. If there is additional time for Senator Bayh, I will then ask at a later point for some of that time. But for those reasons, and more, which I have not yet been able to reach, I very much support the Bayh amendment.
I yield the floor.
Madam President, if I could ask the Senator from Georgia, about how much time does he believe he would be using?
Madam President, I ask unanimous consent that after that 10-minute time is used Senator Kerry be recognized for a period of up to 10 minutes on Senator Bayh's time.
Madam President, will the Senator from Indiana yield me 3 minutes?
Madam President, let me confirm what the Senator from Indiana said. This issue does not involve 130s. Congress has put all the money in for 130s that the President requested. The reason this money for 130s was in our committee report is because we did not know at the time that the supplemental appropriations bill would put money in for the 130s. So we do not need this money for the 130s to fully finance the request of the President of the United States for 130s.
I wish to reiterate one point I made earlier. This is not an issue of whether we insert a new engine, whether we start down the road with a second engine. That issue was resolved years ago by Congress when we started to fund a second engine for the purpose of competition. We have already put $2.5 billion into this second engine. Roughly $1.8 billion more is needed. So our sunk costs are approximately two-thirds of the cost of this second engine.
We have consistently supported it in the Armed Services Committee. This is not new. We feel the value of competition will more than make up for all of the costs and surely far more than make up for the final costs which we need in order to complete the development of this second engine.
I do support the Bayh amendment. I think it makes sense in terms of the fundamental point of competition, it makes sense fiscally, and it makes good sense in terms of the quantity we are buying. There is a huge buy, 2,500 planes, engines, and perhaps 500 more in terms of the export market. It is a huge buy. With this size buy and given the precedent of other planes--at least three that have had two engines available for them--with that precedent and with these savings, I hope the Bayh amendment is accepted.
Madam President, has all the time been yielded back?
Madam President, I ask unanimous consent that at 12:35 p.m., all time remaining for debate with respect to these amendments, Nos. 1627 and 1767, having been yielded back, the Senate then proceed to vote in relation to the amendments in the order previously entered, with the second vote 10 minutes in duration and all other provisions of the previous order remaining in effect.
Madam President, I modify that unanimous consent request and ask that the vote begin immediately at 12:34 and a half p.m.
I ask for the yeas and nays.
Madam President, I move to reconsider the vote, and I move to lay that motion on the table.
The motion to lay on the table was agreed to.
Amendment No. 1627
Madam President, I ask unanimous consent, with the concurrence of the proponents and the opponents, that the 2 minutes be yielded back and that this be voice voted.
Madam President, I move to reconsider the vote.
Madam President, let me thank my friend from Arizona. First of all, we are trying to work out an approach which would be satisfactory to the issue and will save a lot of time if we can work it out. If we cannot, we can go to a vote on his amendment. The regular order would be to go back to the Kyl amendment as I understand it at this point. We are going to ask unanimous consent that the Senator from New York be recognized to introduce an amendment, that it be in order for him to do so, and that after 15 minutes we vote.
I ask unanimous consent that after 15 minutes of debate, with no amendments being in order to the amendment, we then proceed to a vote, understanding it would be a voice, and then the regular order would be restored, which is the Kyl amendment.
I would modify my unanimous consent request that after the disposition of the Schumer amendment, then Senator Tester be recognized for 10 minutes to talk about his amendment, without the consent to offer it.
Fifteen minutes is what I reserved.
Mr. President, I move to reconsider the vote.
Our goal is precisely that. We are trying to work out an agreement with Senator Kyl. Staffs are trying to work out a time agreement. The order, though, hopefully will be Senator Burr and then Senator Akaka. But we have to make sure the proper committees are notified that are involved in those amendments, and then we could, I think, have a unanimous consent agreement. That is our goal.
I am very pleased to hear the optimistic assessment. I can't honestly say I share that optimism, but I will be delighted to be surprised.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that Senator Burr be recognized next to offer an amendment. I understand there is not going to be opposition on this side and that he will accept a voice vote on it. Then I ask unanimous consent that Senator Akaka be recognized to offer his amendment, which he talked about last night.
Mr. President, I move to reconsider the vote.
Mr. President, I understand under the previous order, the Senator from Hawaii is now to be recognized to call up his amendment.
I suggest the absence of a quorum.
Reserving the right to object--and I will need to object-- we are working through unanimous consent agreements and amendments are lined up on both sides. We have not reached that point yet. There are other amendments that have to come first from the Senator's side, and that would be up to Senator McCain. I have to object at this time. Obviously, we will try to accommodate the Senator getting his amendment up, but Senator McCain would need to consider the Senator's proposal. I have to object.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Mr. President, if I could just have Senator McCain's attention for a minute, I think we have a unanimous consent agreement.
Mr. President, has the Akaka amendment been disposed of?
I ask unanimous consent that the Akaka amendment be temporarily set aside, that we then move to an amendment on European missile defense, which is a Lieberman amendment with many cosponsors, which we have worked very hard on and which is ready to be propounded.
There is at least one additional speaker on it. Senator Sessions wants to speak on it as well. But I ask unanimous consent that Senator Lieberman be recognized now to introduce that amendment; that after he speaks, Senator Sessions be recognized; that I will then be recognized, and then Senator McCain, if he wishes to be recognized.
I believe the intention here is that we may be able to adopt this by a voice vote; is that correct? That is the hope, anyway. Well, I will leave that part alone.
Mr. President, may I ask Senator Lieberman to yield for a moment?
First of all, I ask unanimous consent that no second-degree amendments be in order to this amendment.
Mr. President, I very much support the pending amendment. It is the product of a lot of work by a lot of people. Senator Lieberman, in particular, was considering offering an amendment during our markup in the committee. He agreed that he would hold off until we got to the floor to try to get broad bipartisan agreement on a very important subject. He did that. We are grateful to him for doing so.
This amendment is consistent with the administration's policies for missile defense in Europe, including its consideration of a variety of options and architectures for defending Europe, including the so-called third site in Poland and the Czech Republic. The main purpose of these efforts in Europe is to act against an Iranian missile threat should it materialize. It is very important that we do so.
Earlier this month, General Cartwright, Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, testified before the Armed Services Committee that the Department of Defense is considering a number of missile defense options in Europe.
This amendment is also consistent with the administration's efforts to pursue missile defense cooperation with Russia as part of our efforts to address the Iranian missile threat. Those missiles, of course, potentially could be armed with nuclear warheads. This potential Iranian missile threat is a threat that confronts not just Europe as NATO but also Russia as well, obviously, and a number of other countries. It is a real threat. Everything we can do to deter that, everything we can do to defend, should it ever materialize, is something we must do. It is a major threat.
In one of its findings, NATO recognizes this Iranian threat. This is the way NATO recognized this Iranian threat and the importance of trying to work together to deter, to try to prevent it from happening, and then, should it happen, to defend against it, to make it useless. Here is what NATO said in April:
We support increased missile defense cooperation between
Russia and NATO, including maximum transparency and
reciprocal confidence-building measures to allay any
concerns. We reaffirm our readiness to explore the potential
for linking United States, NATO and Russian missile defense
systems at an appropriate time and we encourage the Russian
Federation to take advantage of [U.S.] missile defense
cooperation proposals.
Back in April, I led a delegation, with Senators Collins and Bill Nelson, to visit Russia, Poland, and the Czech Republic to discuss missile defense and the potential for a cooperative approach. What we found is that there appears to be real potential for a cooperative approach and for having missile defense be a uniting issue against a common threat instead of a dividing issue. If we can find a way to cooperate with Russia on missile defense, it would send an extraordinarily powerful message to Iran that we are united against their continued development of nuclear technology and long-range ballistic missiles.
That is the point of missile defense in Europe, to address the Iranian missile and nuclear program in order to enhance their security and our security. This amendment will authorize prior year's funds for a variety of cost-effective and operationally effective missile defense options that could protect Europe and the United States from Iranian missiles of all ranges, current and future. The amendment is designed to command and hopefully attract strong bipartisan support. I hope it does just that.
I believe a voice vote may be possible after Senator McCain speaks. I hope that is the case, given the schedule.
Mr. President, I move to reconsider the vote.
I suggest the absence of a quorum.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Mr. President, I now ask unanimous consent that Senator Dorgan be recognized for up to 15 minutes and then we return to regular order.
Mr. President, reserving the right to object. I will not object--of course--this would be the next amendment which would be in a line of amendments that Senator McCain and I are trying to work out alternating between the two sides.
Madam President, I also reluctantly oppose this amendment. Senator Burr and Senator Hagan have both been very eloquent in their positions, and it is understandable how they and their States feel in this matter. The Navy has not done a particularly good job.
Senator Webb, in committee, suggested some important language that will, hopefully, be helpful. Senator Webb was equally eloquent in his position. We adopted that report language. I think we should stand with it. It is simply not good public policy for Congress to prematurely limit training locations--particularly when those sites have not been fully considered by the military.
So it is, hopefully, going to prod the Navy to do a lot better in terms of its consultation and communications with our communities in North Carolina, Virginia, and around the country. I also must oppose this amendment.
Madam President, I move to reconsider that vote, and I move to lay that motion on the table.
The motion to lay on the table was agreed to.
Madam President, I see the Senator from Oklahoma here.
I object.
Madam President, I ask unanimous consent that the pending amendment be laid aside temporarily and that it be in order for me to offer an amendment on behalf of myself, Senator Graham, and Senator McCain.
Madam President, I ask unanimous consent that reading of the amendment be dispensed with.
Madam President, the amendment I now offer, along with Senators Graham and McCain, would modify the procedures for the handling of classified evidence by military commissions. This is language that was requested by the administration witnesses at our hearing on military commissions procedures a few weeks ago.
We have worked closely together, and we have worked closely with the administration on the language. It is our
understanding that this amendment will fully address the administration's concerns. It has the support of the Justice Department and the Department of Defense.
Section 1031 of the bill, which addresses military commissions, is based on the standard established by the Supreme Court in the Hamdan case that military commissions should be conducted in a manner consistent with the procedures applicable in trials by courts-martial, and that any deviation from those procedures be justified by ``evident practical need.'' For this reason, the procedures now in the bill for the handling of classified information are based on the procedures established in the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
However, the witnesses at our July 7 hearing on military commissions made a persuasive case that the procedures for the handling of classified information in Federal court--the Classified Information Procedures Act, or CIPA--would provide a better model for handling classified information. The reason is, the Federal courts have far more experience handling classified information and far more precedent applicable to the difficult issues raised by classified information in detainee cases. DOD general counsel Jeh Johnson explained the issue as follows:
[W]e note that the legislation incorporates certain of the
classified evidence procedures currently applicable in
courts-martial, where there is relatively little precedent
and practice regarding classified information.
Mr. Johnson continues:
We in the administration believe that further work could be
done to codify the protections of classified evidence, in a
manner consistent with the protections that now exist in
Federal civilian courts. We believe that those protections--
--
Referring to the Federal civilian court protections----
would work better to protect classified information, while
continuing to ensure fairness and providing a stable body of
precedent and practice for doing so.
VADM Bruce McDonald, the Judge Advocate General of the Navy, testified in a very similar way. He said:
Section 949d provides for the use of rules of evidence in
trials by general courts-martial in the handling of
classified evidence. This is consistent with our overall
desire to use those procedures found within the UCMJ . . .
whenever possible. However, experience has shown that
practitioners struggle with a very complex and unclear rule
within the Military Rules of Evidence. The military rules do
not have a robust source of informative or persuasive case
law. Frankly, prosecutions using Military Rule of Evidence
505 are rare. In developing the rules for the handling of
classified material during a military commission, it would be
more prudent to rely upon the Classified Information
Procedures Act (CIPA) used in Article III courts as a
starting point.
Since the time of the hearing, we have been working on a bipartisan basis with the administration to produce new language on the handling of classified information, consistent with the recommendations of our witnesses. In accordance with those recommendations, and our own thinking and discussion, the language in the amendment we are considering today tracks very closely with CIPA. In a few areas, we have chosen to codify standards that are applicable case law under CIPA to provide additional clarity.
The amendment is consistent with the intention of the bill to apply established procedures to military commissions and to deviate from those established procedures, where justified, by evident practical need. There is an evident practical need here. We have a good experience under CIPA, and we decided that is the better model to follow.
We also believe the procedures in this amendment will facilitate the handling of classified information in trials by military commissions in a way that is fair to both sides.
I have a letter from the Department of Justice on this matter which I ask unanimous consent to have printed in the Record.
Again, I thank Senator Graham and Senator McCain. Senator Graham is an expert we all look to in matters such as this. He has not only personal experience but he has a vast amount of personal knowledge from study, as well as his own experience in this area, and it is invaluable to us. It does help make possible the conclusion we offer the body.
Mr. President, I suggest the absence of a quorum.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Mr. President, there is now pending an amendment that I have offered on behalf of myself, Senator Graham, and Senator McCain relative to the protection of classified information; is that correct?
Mr. President, I think we are now ready to vote on this amendment.
Mr. President, I move to reconsider the vote.
The pending matter now would be to return to the Akaka amendment; is that correct?
Mr. President, I yield the floor.
Mr. President, let me add my thanks to the Senator from Hawaii. He is doing this for the good of the order to permit us to get on with the bill. He knows how important this is. I appreciate his willingness to withdraw the amendment at this time. It is very much appreciated by all of us. I hope something good could come out of conference.
I yield the floor and suggest the absence of a quorum.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that Senator Hagan be recognized to speak on a previous amendment for up to 5 minutes.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the Kyl amendment be temporarily set aside and that the following four amendments then be in order: the Sessions amendment, No. 1657, which is going to be modified and which I understand will not require a rollcall vote; the Isakson amendment, No. 1525, which would then be called up and I understand would require some debate; the Lieberman amendment, No. 1650, which I also understand may be modified; and then the next amendment after that, which I thought I could enumerate, but I cannot now, would be a Democratic amendment and would then be in place; that no amendments would be in order to any of the above amendments.
I thank the Chair.
Mr. President, I suggest the absence of a quorum.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Mr. President, let me modify my previous unanimous consent agreement: that prior to those three amendments being called up, we take up the Lincoln amendment, No. 1487, which I understand has been cleared. Again, as to the other three amendments we identified for debate, no amendments will be in order to any of those amendments.
Mr. President, it is now my understanding that under that UC, we would take up Lincoln amendment No. 1487.
I am wondering whether the Senator from Arkansas would like to have one quick minute to explain her amendment.
Mr. President, first let me thank Senator Lincoln for this amendment. The linkage of the National Guard and States and our kids is a very powerful link indeed. I have seen this up close and personal because I am sort of the godfather of the STARBASE Program, which started in Michigan at Selfridge Air National Guard Base, and it has spread. While this program which Senator Lincoln is so deeply involved with, and her cosponsors, is not an outgrowth of that program, it is very similar in terms of its purpose to link our National Guard and the inspiration they can provide and the technical skills they can provide our children with. So I thank her for her amendment and hope it will be promptly adopted.
Mr. President, I move to reconsider the vote.
Mr. President, I believe the next amendment is the Sessions amendment.
Mr. President, after a very brief comment, I am going to suggest a quorum be called. This amendment has been significantly modified from its original form. It has been modified in a way which I believe is now satisfactory. It addresses interrogations by the military, by defense agencies. It does not involve interrogations by the Department of Justice, as I understand it.
The Department of Justice is not involved in the warnings that are involved here. It especially provides it must be applied in a manner consistent with the constitutional requirements. With these changes, I am satisfied, but I note the absence of a quorum.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Mr. President, I now ask unanimous consent that the pending Sessions amendment, as modified, be temporarily laid aside and we now proceed to the next item under the unanimous consent agreement, which would be the amendment of Senator Isakson.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the Senate resume debate on the Kyl amendment No. 1760; that it be in order for Senator Kyl to offer a second-degree amendment to his amendment; that once the second degree is reported, it be agreed to, amendment No. 1760, as amended, be agreed to, and the motion to reconsider be laid upon the table.
Mr. President, let me thank Senator Kyl and all of those who have been involved in working the Kyl amendment to a point where we are comfortable with it. I think all of us had concerns, and those concerns have been fairly met. I thank the Senator from Arizona for his effort, as well as, of course, my ranking member on the committee and all of the others who have been helpful.
We are not ready yet.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Mr. President, I now ask unanimous consent that Senators Lieberman and Graham call up amendment No. 1650, as modified.
Mr. President, I hope we can quickly get to a voice vote. I would briefly say that the executive branch created a presumption that the cases would be tried before criminal courts--article III courts. I thought it was a mistake. We should not have a presumption one way or the other. The amendment before us redresses the balance to the extent we can do it tonight.
Also, we were able to get the agreement on the part of the sponsors to strike a part of the original amendment which would have created some very difficult bureaucratic problems in terms of reporting case by case as to why decisions were made one way or another.
So I do hope we can promptly agree to the amendment. I thank Senators Lieberman and Graham.
Again, my own preference is there not be either a presumption or a preference one way or the other, but I think this does even the balance. Again, it is a sense of the Senate, so it will be left to the Department of Justice.
Mr. President, I move to reconsider the vote.
Mr. President, I send a series of 46 amendments to the desk, which have been cleared by myself and Senator McCain, the ranking member, and I ask unanimous consent that the Senate consider these amendments en bloc, the amendments be agreed to, and that the motions to reconsider be laid upon the table.
I move to lay that motion on the table.
The motion to lay on the table was agreed to.
amendment no. 1759
Mr. President, I suggest the absence of a quorum.
Objection.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
First, Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent to modify a previously agreed to amendment, No. 1799.
Mr. President, I appreciate the efforts of my friend from Ohio on this issue. I know that the committee will continue to consider the views of all stakeholders about this program. I encourage the Department of Defense to include a request for formal authority in its annual legislative proposal to the committee should they find permanent authority necessary.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that no further amendments be in order other than the pending amendments; that upon disposition of the pending amendments and managers' amendments as noted below, the bill be read a third time, and the Senate then proceed to vote on passage of S. 1390, as amended; further, that upon passage of S. 1390, it be in order, en bloc, for the Senate to consider the following Calendar items: 90, 91, and 92; that all after the enacting clause of each bill be stricken and the following divisions of S. 1390, as passed by the Senate, be inserted as follows: Division A, S. 1391; Division B, S. 1392; Division C, S. 1393; that these bill be read a third time, passed, and the motions to reconsider be laid upon the table, en bloc; further, that the consideration of these items appear separately in the Record; further, that the Senate then proceed to the consideration of Calendar No. 96, H.R. 2647, the House companion; that all after the enacting clause be stricken and the text of S. 1390, as amended, and passed by the Senate be inserted in lieu thereof, the bill be read a third time, passed, and the motion to reconsider be laid upon the table; that upon passage of H.R. 2647, as amended, the Senate insist on its amendment, request a conference with the House on the disagreeing votes of the two Houses, and the Chair be authorized to appoint conferees on the part of the Senate, with the Armed Services Committee appointed as conferees; that notwithstanding passage of S. 1390, it still be in order for managers' amendments to be considered and agreed to if they have been agreed upon by the managers and the leaders; and that no points of order be considered waived by virtue of this agreement.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that amendment No. 1657, Senator Sessions amendment, be further modified and that we agree to it by voice vote.
Mr. President, I move to reconsider the vote.
Mr. President, I ask for the yeas and nays.
Mr. President, I move to reconsider that vote.