I object. I object. I object. Madam President, reserving the right to object, the good Senator, my friend from Utah, can add as many hours as he would like, but the Senate wants to be heard on this matter. There will be objections noted on…
I object.
I object.
I object.
Madam President, reserving the right to object, the good Senator, my friend from Utah, can add as many hours as he would like, but the Senate wants to be heard on this matter. There will be objections noted on every request for additional time.
To try to limit debate on this matter, I tell my good friend from Utah, that any effort to limit debate will be objected to.
This is not about the amount of time. The Senate wishes to be heard on this matter. I object.
I don't blame the good Senator from Utah for making the requests.
Madam President, I am not a member of the Judiciary Committee. I was in the other body some years ago when I served there. But like many of my colleagues here who have served in this institution for some time and have been involved in any number of judicial nominations, going back now over the past two decades, this is a unique moment.
My friend and colleague from Utah has called this a moment of historic significance. I agree with him about that. This is an important moment historically. It is an important moment for this institution.
I enjoy carrying every day with me in my pocket a copy of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution given to me some years ago by my seatmate, Senator Robert C. Byrd of West Virginia, a rather tattered looking copy now. I carry it with me and refer to it quite frequently as a reminder to myself of what a wonderful privilege it is to serve in this institution and the sacred obligation we bear, each and every one of us, when we are sworn in as Members of this body to uphold and defend this Constitution.
There are two important relevant points during the next few moments as I share my thoughts on the matter of this nomination. The first begins with article III of the Constitution written more than 200 years ago by our Founding Fathers. It says:
The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in
one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the
Congress may from time to time ordain and establish.
The judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall
hold their offices during good Behaviour . . . [in a sense
for life].
It is a unique office in the judicial branch in this country. Unlike article II on the Presidency, in article III, judicial nominations serve, during good behavior, for the rest of their lives.
This nominee is in his early forties, I am told. God willing, Miguel Estrada may have as many as 40 or 50 years to serve on the judicial branch of this country, either at the circuit court level, or possibly the Supreme Court level, having listened to my friend from Utah about the possibility of being on a short list.
So in assessing this nomination and the process, it is critically important that my colleagues and others be mindful of this article III, section 1 provision, that judges are nominated by the President and serve, if confirmed, for life. These are unique positions in the entire constellation of offices that could be held in the Federal Government-- for life, during good behavior.
The second provision that is important to take note of as you engage in this discussion is in article II, section 2. I will quote it. Article II, section 2, in part, reads, in the second paragraph:
He [the President] shall have, Power by and with the Advice
and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two-
thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate,
and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall
appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls,
judges of the Supreme Court, and all other Officers of the
United States. . . .
By and with the advice and consent of the United States Senate.
Those two provisions are critically important to keep in mind as you listen to this debate and discussion about this particular nomination. The debate and discussion, I suggest, goes far beyond the individual attributes, qualifications of Miguel Estrada.
For those reasons, I totally agree with my colleague from Utah that this is a historic moment in terms of how we consider this process, which has survived for more than 200 years. It has never been changed. Over the history of this institution, Senates have taken the role of advice and consent to varying degrees with more or less seriousness. There have been times when there was hardly any advice and consent, and matters went through here rather routinely. I think most historians look back on those periods and would define those moments as being less than stellar periods of this institution's history. When this institution, a coequal branch of Government with the article I and article III branches of government, has taken its advise and consent role seriously--particularly with lifetime appointments--then I think we have lived up to the Founding Fathers' ambitions for this body.
I have voted for almost every Presidential nominee to serve in a cabinet or ambassadorial post. I received significant criticism when I voted for John Tower more than a decade ago during the administration of the first President Bush. I voted for John Ashcroft to be Attorney General of the United States and received substantial criticism, and still do, to this day from people in my own party. I did so not because I agreed with John Ashcroft or with John Tower, but I happen to believe that, when it comes to cabinet officers or ambassadors for periods of limited duration, Presidents ought to be able to have their counsel and official team to advance the ideas and values they articulated during their campaigns and which the American public supported through the election process. That is not to say I would vote for every single nominee of whatever kind, because I take the advice and consent role seriously.
I have always felt when it comes to judicial nominations, because of that article III, section 1 language that gives them the right to serve for life, far beyond the tenure of the President who appoints them or the Congress that confirms them, far beyond any tenure of anyone who serves in any office in the Federal Government, there is a heightened degree of responsibility
to fulfill the article II, section 2 provisions of the Constitution to provide our advice and consent.
So it is with that background I come to this nomination, not because I want to necessarily become embroiled in the conditions or qualifications of Miguel Estrada, but because I am deeply concerned we are getting away from fulfilling the Senate's historic responsibilities of fulfilling its article II, section 2 functions and responsibilities.
So I rise to express my opposition to this confirmation and to vote, when the matter occurs, against this nomination, for one simple reason: The administration and Mr. Estrada have failed to provide this Member and this institution and its Members with sufficient evidence to demonstrate that Mr. Estrada would fairly and objectively decide cases that will come before the Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit.
I have no doubt in my mind, nor should anyone, that Mr. Estrada was not chosen in some sort of a blind lottery. His name wasn't just picked out of the blue because we thought we would like to have a Hispanic on the bench--he has a Hispanic heritage; therefore, we will take Mr. Estrada. I promise you there were people who questioned Mr. Estrada about his views before his nomination was made by the President of the United States. Let there be no doubts or illusions about that. The question remains, then, if the President is satisfied this nominee is qualified to sit on the District's Circuit Court of Appeals, why should those of us who have to vote on this nomination not also be entitled to the same opportunity to be full informed about his views? Not about particular cases that may or could come before the court. I have always felt we have no business inquiring of a judicial nominee what his or her views might be about a pending matter that might come before them. But on general questions about their judicial philosophy, their demeanor, how a nominee would conduct him or herself as a judge, those are entirely legitimate issues. In fact, we bear a responsibility to see that those questions are raised--certainly, just as the President or his appointees have questioned Mr. Estrada on those matters. Before they sent his name up here, I promise you they did that. Certainly those of us who have the responsibility under the Constitution to provide our advice and consent, and ultimately our votes, should be entitled to the same opportunity. We have been denied that opportunity. But whatever reasons and motivations there may be this is a process issue that should not be tolerated.
To suggest a nomination can be made by the President and sent to this body, and that this body should confirm such a nominee without having a meaningful opportunity to solicit information from the nominee is a precedent I don't think we ought to make. That is why I agree with my colleague from Utah that this is a historic moment. We should not walk away from our responsibility simply because Mr. Estrada is Hispanic and, apparently, of good background. I am not arguing about all of the good things I've heard about Mr. Estrada. What concerns me is the President and the nominees, or the appointees at the Justice Department, have had an opportunity to inquire of Mr. Estrada about his views, and that this body--a coequal branch--the Constitution requires we who exercise our advice and consent function are being denied that same opportunity. So no one that I know of--maybe there are some, but certainly not this Member--is questioning the accomplishments of Mr. Estrada. What many in the Chamber have questioned, however, is whether Mr. Estrada is likely to be a fair and unbiased appeals court judge for life.
This is an extremely important nomination for the reasons I have just tried to articulate. The Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia is an important court that has exclusive jurisdiction to review many Federal administrative law questions. In a sense, the Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia is the Nation's second highest court, because its decisions can profoundly impact how the Federal Government conducts the people's business. The decisions made by the court of appeals affect all of us across the country. This is not a debate, as I said a moment ago, about whether Mr. Estrada should be appointed to serve as a trial judge where he might gain some judicial experience, although were he to go through the process and refuse to respond to the questions, I would have the same concerns, even for a district court nominee. I think the precedent is dangerous. When the President nominates someone to serve as an appellate court judge and we allow the nonanswers to stand, the matter is even that much more serious because it is an appellate court.
Rather, this is a debate about whether Mr. Estrada, who has never served as a judge anywhere before, should be appointed as a judge who will judge judges and issue final decisions on a wide-ranging set of legal questions that will have national impact.
My colleague from New York, Senator Schumer, as well as others who are members of the Judiciary Committee, has pointed out Mr. Estrada is a young man, as I mentioned earlier. He is in his early forties. If confirmed, he may spend the next half century making decisions that will affect our children, our grandchildren, and generations to come. This is a lifetime appointment.
Again, I emphasize that point under article III, section 1. There is no going back if we find out Mr. Estrada is not a good judge. This vote is final, and if we confirm Mr. Estrada, we are all going to have to live with that decision the rest of our lives. We are being asked to confirm Mr. Estrada even though we have been provided with virtually no information about his judicial philosophy or judicial competency.
We have been offered some evidence that Mr. Estrada is a good lawyer, but good lawyers do not necessarily make good judges and, in my view, Mr. Estrada, like all judicial nominees, has an obligation to show the Senate he can be a good judge. He showed the President he can be a good judge, obviously. He showed the staff at the Justice Department he could be a good judge. But he has not shown the Members of this body, nor has the American public had the opportunity, through us, to draw that same conclusion.
We are not hiring a lawyer, we are confirming a judicial nomination. One of the fundamental differences between lawyers and judges is that lawyers are supposed to zealously represent the interests of their clients, but judges are supposed to be balanced, of even temperament, fair, impartial. We want lawyers to be passionate in advocating the causes of their clients, defending those who deserve to be defended and prosecuting those who deserve to be prosecuted. We have an entirely different expectation of judges in terms of demeanor and behavior.
Again, the fact that Mr. Estrada is a very good lawyer, a passionate advocate on behalf of his clients, is certainly a good recommendation, but not necessarily a recommendation that he bears the temperament to sit as a judge on the circuit court of appeals. That may be the case, but when we are denied the opportunity to inquire of him about his judicial temperament, about his philosophy, then, in my view, we really don't know. And if we confirm a nomination when we really don't know we are setting a precedent that I think is dangerous indeed.
Mr. Estrada, apparently on the advice of the administration, has chosen not to respond to the Senate's questions, refusing to answer questions on what he thinks about legal issues. He was asked by Senator Schumer, I am told, in the committee to name one Supreme Court decision over the last 40 or 50 years with which he disagreed. I do not know of a person in this Chamber who could not answer that question in about 2 minutes, particularly those who are members of the bar, attorneys by profession. Certainly, we all know of cases, maybe even cases we learned when we were in law school that we thought were wrong.
If Mr. Estrada, this terrific lawyer, a graduate of Harvard Law School, Phi Beta Kappa, cannot name one Supreme Court case with which he disagrees, then we are getting a message: I am not going to answer your questions about these matters, period. I think it is dangerous to allow nominees to refuse to respond.
My colleague from Utah, the chairman of the committee, Senator Hatch, once noted that when it comes to judicial nominations:
The Senate has a duty not to be a rubberstamp.
I could not agree more with my friend and colleague from Utah on that point. This is not a trivial matter to be taken lightly. I believe it would be irresponsible to vote to confirm a judicial nominee without knowing something about his or her judicial temperament.
Not every judicial nominee comes to the Senate with years of experience on the bench, but when a nominee, such as Miguel Estrada, has no judicial experience, we bear a responsibility to look for other evidence of his demeanor and his ability to put aside rancor in favor of balanced judicial reasoning.
I would like to add that when nominees with similar backgrounds as Mr. Estrada have provided us with evidence, they have been confirmed by the Senate regardless of their ideologies. It was a few months ago the Senate Judiciary Committee and the full Senate voted unanimously to confirm Professor Michael McConnell as a judge on the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals. Despite his impressive credentials as a lawyer and scholar, he had never been a judge before and, as we all know, a number of groups were concerned that his clearly conservative ideologies would influence his decisions on the bench.
However, after Professor McConnell openly and extensively discussed his opinions on issues, such as federalism and Roe v. Wade, in his hearing before the Judiciary Committee, then the full Senate, Democrats as well as Republicans, agreed that he would fulfill his duties as a judge impartially regardless of his personal views.
That is a recent example of a nominee unanimously confirmed by this body. But Professor McConnell had the courage of his convictions. He was not ashamed to stand up and say what he believed and why he believed it. As a result of that kind of forthrightness, this body unanimously confirmed him to be a circuit court judge. He had no judicial experience, but he was not ashamed of who he was or in what he believed.
I do not know Mr. Estrada, and I presume he is not ashamed of his views, but the reluctance to share those views with the membership of the Senate, with the members of the Judiciary Committee, is troubling, to put it mildly. When a nominee will not answer questions, when they cannot name a single Supreme Court case with which they disagree, then we begin to get concerned that this is a stonewalling operation.
During a hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee, Mr. Estrada refused to answer a long list of questions about his positions on important legal matters. Mr. Estrada refused to explain whether he is inclined to support the interests of business, States rights, the rights of workers, consumers, or children. He refused to comment on whether he would approve the administration's environmental rollbacks. He even declined to give his opinion on a wide range of constitutional issues--the merits of Roe v. Wade, the constitutionality of affirmative action programs, the death penalty, employment discrimination against homosexuals, the balance between environmental protection and property rights, the public's right to know about health and safety standards versus a litigant's right to privacy in product liability cases.
Is there any doubt that the President or his appointees or staff at the Justice Department have a good idea of how Mr. Estrada feels about those questions? Does anyone believe for a second they would send his nomination to the Senate without having some idea of where he stood on these questions? And do not I as a Member of this body, in a coequal branch of Government, have a right, before I cast my vote, to at least have the opportunity to raise these questions and get some answers to them? I think I do.
If we set the precedent of saying you can be nominated by a President of any party, that your appointed staff at the Justice Department can ask these questions and know the answers, but Members of the Senate, Democrats or Republicans, have no right to solicit or find out this information, that is dangerous. That is precedent setting. That is troubling, indeed.
Regardless of who the nominee is, regardless of who the President is who sends a nominee to this Chamber, if we set the precedent that people can go through the confirmation process and not share with us their general views--not their views on how they would rule on individual pending cases; I would strenuously object to questions like that--but to get some sense of the nominee's demeanor, judicial philosophy and ideas. Much to the great credit of Professor McConnell, with whom I would disagree on many matters, I believe, I admire the fact he had the intestinal fortitude to stand up and say: This is what I believe.
As a result of that, the full support of the Senate. But I am deeply troubled with the idea that a person can stonewall, not answer these questions, and then be confirmed by this body. This issue goes far beyond Miguel Estrada. Our failure to understand that, I think, is dangerous.
When asked about each and every one of the issues I've discussed, Mr. Estrada refused to articulate an opinion to the members of the Judiciary Committee. It ought to be troubling to every one of us, regardless of our views, to set that precedent. It is troubling, to say the least, that a prospective appellate court judge and one who clearly, should a vacancy arise in the Supreme Court, according to my friend from Utah--and I believe he is correct--will be on the short list to be on the Supreme Court--that he would have no opinions on any of these matters.
If Mr. Estrada does indeed have opinions on these issues, it is even more troubling that he refuses to make those opinions known, not just to me or members of the committee but to the American public who have sent us to the Senate to represent them. They have a right to know how this individual would at least view some of these basic fundamental constitutional questions.
Instead of honestly and openly answering questions about his judicial philosophy, Mr. Estrada decided to keep quiet, to take his chances, and roll the dice on the floor of the Senate, hoping that the dice would be loaded in his favor and that there would be no way to stop this nomination from going forward.
Senator Schumer once again pointed out that if we confirm Miguel Estrada, we are ratifying a don't-ask-don't-tell policy for judicial nominees. Tragically, I think that characterization is correct.
Mr. Estrada sat before the Judiciary Committee and said nothing, believing if he did not say a word, the majority of the Senate would rubberstamp his nomination. And in turn, the administration has willingly participated in this conspiracy of silence to deny the Senate and the American people access to information by refusing to release copies of Mr. Estrada's legal memoranda from his time in the Solicitor General's Office.
I listened to my colleague from Utah go on at some length about this point. There is no legal requirement that memoranda from the Solicitor General's Office be withheld from the Senate. It is true that previous Solicitors General have said they would prefer that these documents not be forwarded to the Senate for the reason that this might make it difficult in future years to get the kind of candid assessments by Justice Department lawyers. I am somewhat sympathetic to that argument forwarded by my colleague from Utah, but in the absence of any other information it is more necessary to see documents. Certainly, if a person is forthcoming in sharing their views and thoughts, then the necessity to go and solicit documents from the Justice Department where a nominee may have worked before ought to be avoided, but the issue arises when a nominee refuses to answer any questions. Where there are no other papers, no documents, very few written materials that the nominee has produced, the value of these legal memoranda is heightened. So that in the absence of being forthcoming when the questions are asked, where does one go? What do I rely on? Do I say to my constituents back home that I am sorry he would not say anything and, by the way, there is no legal requirement but the Solicitor General's Office won't share information either?
Now, based on some research that has been done, there is precedent for the Solicitor General sharing information, that is really true, and I will leave it to my friend and former chairman of the
Judiciary Committee, the Senator from Vermont, Mr. Leahy, to comment specifically on that.
Going back a number of years ago, the Judiciary Committee sought and received a number of documents, I believe during the Bork nomination and several others. I think Judge Trott was another case. There were two or three others who had worked in the Solicitor General's Office or other offices at the Department of Justice, and they shared with the Senate Judiciary Committee the work product of those employees. Those documents were used by the Judiciary Committee during the confirmation process.
I do not disagree with the Senator from Utah that there are some concerns about going that route for the reasons I have stated, but there is precedent where that information has been made available to the Senate Judiciary Committee when considering nominations for the Federal judiciary.
Let me finish my statement, and I will come back because I am going to put in the Record a large number of documents that make that case.
I would like to finish my statement rather than engage in a debate on this particular point.
I yield for one question.
I was not going to dwell on the point.
Then I will go over and over it. In the past documents were submitted to the Senate Judiciary Committee.
There are four pages of list here that go on. They sent us a long list.
In fact, I have a letter from the Justice Department dated May 10, 1988, signed by Thomas M. Boyd, Acting Assistant Attorney General, in which he says to Chairman Biden:
As assistant attorney general John Bolton noted in an
August 24, 1987, letter to you, many of the documents
provided to the committee reflect or disclose purely internal
deliberations within the Executive Branch, the work product
of attorneys in connection with government litigation or
confidential legal advice received from or provided to client
agencies within the Executive Branch. We provided these
privileged documents to the committee in order to respond
fully to the Committee's request and to expedite the
confirmation process.
Would you send them back, in essence. These were documents in the committee that were provided by the Solicitor General's Office, and the assistant attorney general is asking for them back. What do you mean, they had not been sent up? They were.
I do not want to dwell on this point, but when we get no information from the nominee about where he stands on important matters--by the way, here is a list of the documentation in that particular case that goes on for four pages. I ask unanimous consent that these matters be printed in the Record.
I ask unanimous consent that the letter to Senator Biden from Thomas Boyd dated May 10, 1988, requesting these materials back from the Senate Judiciary Committee also be printed in the Record at this point.
So there is precedent for this. I do not want to dwell on that point because we ought to avoid that at least when we get nominees who are more forthcoming when questions are asked.
I will wrap this up because I see my colleague from New Jersey is in the Chamber and wants to speak on this matter. The Senator from Vermont, who knows far more about this than this Senator does, is also present.
Since the matter was raised by my friend and colleague from Utah earlier in his remarks, I thought it was appropriate to address and respond to the issue of whether or not documents from the Solicitor General's Office had, in fact, been provided to the Judiciary Committee in the past. Of course, there is ample evidence that they have been.
I do not blame Mr. Estrada for this, by the way. These are not his documents. These documents are the documents of the Solicitor General's Office, and therefore the allegation that Mr. Estrada is unwilling to provide these documents is not fair. It is the Department of Justice that has made that decision. I am disappointed that Mr. Estrada has not been willing to respond to Senators' questions about judicial philosophy and temperament but, rather, refused to answer any questions. That is a separate matter, but I thought it was important for our colleagues to make the distinction.
It is unfortunate this has come to be seen as a partisan debate. This should not be the case. This ought to be a matter of concern to every single Member. If this is the way we conduct these judicial nominations in the future and this becomes the precedent, then I think this institution suffers terribly in terms of fulfilling its article II, section 2, requirements of the advice and
consent when the President submits nominations. Of course, for lifetime appointees, this matter becomes even that much more serious.
I will not take more of the Senate's time on my feelings on this. I do not speak on all of these matters. I pointed out earlier that this Member has, in the overwhelming majority of cases, voted to confirm nominees from all these administrations over the years where the nominations have been for a limited duration. I pointed out I voted for John Tower and John Ashcroft. I believe Presidents ought to have their teams. I recall very vividly, with great warmth, voting for the Presiding Officer when he was considered as a nominee before this body.
When someone gets elected President, they ought to have their team. The public ought to understand that when the President appoints someone to a high office, a Cabinet office or an ambassador, that certainly requires the advice and consent of the Senate. But for a lifetime appointee, particularly a young man of 40 years of age, who could be on that bench for 40 or 50 years, far beyond the tenure of this President's term of office, far beyond the tenure of probably every single Member who would vote on his nomination, that rises to a different level, with all due respect, to the other nominees who come before this institution.
The advice and consent function on a lifetime appointment requires a heightened degree of responsibility, in my view, and when nominees will not answer questions about judicial temperament and demeanor, it is deeply troubling to me. Conservatives and liberals ought to join together in saying: I am sorry, but, Mr. President, if you send us nominees and instruct them to do this, then all of us will join together against that. Regardless of whether it is a Democrat or Republican in the White House, as Senators, as Members of a coequal branch of Government, we cannot fulfill our constitutional responsibility if that is the way in which the President conducts his business.
This goes beyond Miguel Estrada. I regret he has been caught in this. He has, for whatever reason, decided to be used in this way. That is terribly unfortunate for him but far more unfortunate for this institution and the future of judicial nominations if, in fact, this becomes the platelet on how you get confirmed for a lifetime appointment: Don't answer any questions; don't respond to issues about constitutionality of various provisions.
I repeat: I have on numerous occasions voted for judicial nominees with whom I have disagreed. But because they have been forthcoming, they have been honest about their views, because they have convinced me they would be impartial and fair sitting on a bench, I have never used the litmus test whether I ideologically disagree with a judicial nominee. But when you do not answer my questions or the questions of my colleagues on whom I rely under our committee system, that troubles this Senator deeply. Whether this nominee was made by a Democratic President or a Republican President, I would stand here and make the same case, that this institution and its Members have an obligation in this historic hour to say to the President, this is not the way to do business around here. You cannot send up nominees in this manner and expect this body to rubber stamp a nomination and to send the nominee off for the many years he may serve, making decisions without any knowledge of whether or not he will conduct his affairs as a judge in a way that will bring credit to himself and to the federal courts, let alone the institution which is responsible for ultimately voting to confirm this nominee.
I yield the floor.
Yes.