I move to strike the last word. I rise to support the amendment offered by the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Flores), a member of the Natural Resources Committee. We have had several hearings on this executive order and on the potential…
I move to strike the last word.
I rise to support the amendment offered by the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Flores), a member of the Natural Resources Committee.
We have had several hearings on this executive order and on the potential impacts that this executive order would have far, far beyond ocean policy. The Natural Resources Committee also, obviously, has concerns about our environment. That's probably one of the reasons the committee was created many, many Congresses ago. But this step by this administration with this executive order goes far, far beyond what anybody would envision, and it is being done without going through the normal process.
In his remarks, the gentleman from Texas stated several organizations that are opposed to this executive order, and amongst those is the Farm Bureau. Now, when one thinks about the Farm Bureau, they are an organization that represents our diverse agriculture industry across the country, but you don't associate the Farm Bureau policies with the oceans or lakes. You associate them with crops that are grown on dry land or on irrigated land or whatever the case may be. With that being the case, why should the Farm Bureau be concerned about a policy dealing with ocean planning?
The reason is, obviously, in the fine print because, in the fine print of the executive order, it says that this ocean policy should look at a number of things, including ``by promoting and implementing sustainable practices on land.'' So, implementing practices on land, are those positive or negative?
I will be happy to yield to my friend from Washington.
In reclaiming my time, I would be more than happy to respond to my good friend in that regard.
Obviously, this is the concern because of that. They say then--and rightfully so--in their letter that was sent out to all Members of Congress:
Thus, instead of being limited to oceans and coasts, the
National Ocean Policy could extend to the regulation of every
farm and ranch in the United States.
Now, I think they're right on that. But we do have statutes, by the way, that deal precisely with what my good friend from Washington brought up to me just a moment ago, and that is the Clean Water Act. That's what part of that is all about, is to deal with that. This is an executive order that gives potential authority far, far beyond those acts, and it's done by executive order. Now, there is a process to go through. Sometimes we can agree with that process or disagree, but at least let's go through that process with the Congress making the policy. That's what the issue is here with this executive order.
Finally, since my good friend from Washington brought this up, let me make this observation. Our State of Washington has an ocean policy. It was done by statute, and in it, it specifically says in that statute:
The marine management plan, meaning the ocean policy, must
be developed and implemented in a manner that recognizes and
respects existing uses.
I think that's good policy. In fact, that's probably why so many Northwest fishing organizations are in support of the Flores amendment, but the policy that is driving this executive order is contrary to that. Let me take a direct quote--a direct quote--out of this policy driving this executive order:
The task force is mindful that these recommendations may
create a level of uncertainty and anxiety among those who
rely on these resources.
``Resources'' meaning the land.
Now, Mr. Chairman, I have to ask: Does this not sound suspiciously like, We have to pass the bill to find out what's in it? Does that sound somewhat familiar? So I think the gentleman from Texas is exactly right in that the way that we can exercise our prerogative and our authority is to deny funding.
By the way, speaking about funding, we had the Council on Economic Quality in front of our committee, and we asked particularly, Where is all this funding coming from? We've asked by letter. They have yet to respond. So they're taking parts of it here and there, and it's not showing up on anybody's budget at all.
So what this attempts to do, by the gentleman from Texas with his amendment, is simply to say, okay, we're going to exercise our authority, and our authority is not to give any agency that contributes to this policy any funds. It's nothing more than that. So I urge my colleagues to support the amendment offered by the gentleman from Texas.
With that, I yield back the balance of my time.
Will the gentleman yield?
Here is the crux of the issue right here. The gentleman started his remarks by saying that the committee, which I had the privilege to chair, created the Ocean Commission. I was not on the committee at the time, but I acknowledge that. We did create that.
And this is the crux of the matter right here. One of the recommendations that came out of that committee was that the policies-- it said: The Ocean Council should work with Congress and so on to develop a flexible and voluntary process for the creation of regional ocean councils. States working with relevant stakeholders should use this process to establish regional ocean councils. That is exactly the process we should be going through, but the process of the executive process is 180 degrees from that. So the legislation the gentleman is citing is being used is contrary to what he is trying to promote. That's the whole point of this amendment.
Will the gentleman yield?
I just want to make this point. The gentleman makes the point of how maybe the process should work and the commission was created.
My objection--and I think the gentleman from Texas' objection--is this is being done by executive order. The way that the process is laid out totally ignores the recommendation that came out of that policy. That is the whole point.
If the gentleman will yield, we have had five hearings on this, just to make a point.
Will the gentleman yield?
I appreciate the gentleman yielding.
The gentleman, when he made his remarks about all of the challenges that we face, if you heard, nobody is arguing on our side about that. Nobody is arguing about that. It is the structure of which we are talking about here. And, unfortunately, we have experienced painfully in this body and in this country when we have a structure of a top-down solution, it always seems to come out wrong. And that is what the issue is all about.
We have had five hearings, like I said, in my committee on this issue. But the way this is set up, it was designed to be voluntary, and it was designed to be in corroboration with the States. Our home State of Washington has responded to that. But the way this is written and the way it is interpreted, it is a top-down issue; and if we
let it continue going, we are going to have a problem, and the gentleman knows it.
I am aware of that. Clean water takes care of that, and that process is going through. Sometimes we agree. Sometimes we don't.
But just let me make an analogy that I think the gentleman would agree with. We had a long debate last night on catch shares, something entirely different. The gentleman was very much so defending--and I agree with him--the fact that there was regional planning. And catch shares works in our part of the country. That is all that we are saying. We think that is probably a better model.
This executive order is contrary to that. So my arguments here over and over have been the model, and that's why we should defund it and come back and do it correctly.
I thank the gentleman for yielding to me.