Madam Chair, I thank the gentleman for yielding, and I want to thank my colleagues very much for bringing this issue up, although I cannot support their amendment. I appreciate not only their frustration, but their energy that they bring…
Madam Chair, I thank the gentleman for yielding, and I want to thank my colleagues very much for bringing this issue up, although I cannot support their amendment. I appreciate not only their frustration, but their energy that they bring to the debate because, frankly, as the Chair of the subcommittee, that is the reason we did cut $764 million from this program.
For a long time I think many of us have been concerned that this has been an agency that has been obviated from all of the normal conventions of responsibility and testing regimen and accountability. I think what we see now is that we do have components of missile defense that are successful. Certainly PAC-3 is successful, certainly Aegis BMD is successful, and many of us have very high hopes for THAAD.
The ground-based system has not had as successful testing as many would like. As frustrated as my colleagues may be, as severe a cut as they are proposing is too detrimental to our ability to do what we try to do in this bill, which is to deliver in the near term the kind of protections that we need to have for not only the American people here at home, but for our warfighters deployed down range.
These medium and short-range missile threats are real. It is important that we keep this funding going so we can deliver on these good opportunities while we restructure the program and while we hold the Missile Defense Agency accountable for the first time.
I have to reluctantly oppose this amendment.
Madam Chairman, pursuant to section 3 and 4 of House Resolution 403, and as the designee of the chairman of the Committee on Armed Services, I request that during further consideration of H.R. 1585 in the Committee of the Whole, and following consideration of amendment No. 43, the following amendments be considered in the following order: amendment No. 7, amendment No. 1.
Amendment No. 11 Offered by Mr. Franks of Arizona
Madam Chairman, I rise in opposition to the amendment.
Madam Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Missouri (Mr. Skelton), the chairman of the committee.
Madam Chairman, I yield myself 2 minutes.
Madam Chairman, I rise in opposition to this amendment, specifically because of some of the language that my colleagues have been using.
What I find to be absolutely amazing is my colleagues on this side of the aisle who, for the last 6 years, have operated under a theory that there's never been too much money for missile defense without any accountability and without any reasonable sense that they had to have tests and that they had to produce for the American people. So it's not surprising to me that my colleagues rise and try to add back the money, the 8 cents on the dollar that my subcommittee, in a bipartisan way, trimmed from this program, as we did what the Republican bill last year suggested, that we redirect the focus of missile defense to near-term capabilities for the warfighter, for the American people and for our allies.
Now, the never-too-much money for MDA crowd will try to gin up all kinds of threats, and I will say it again. We here on this side of the aisle are not confused about the threats. We believe these are real threats, and that is why we have diligently restructured the MDA budget to deal with the near-term threats so that we can actually protect the warfighter, the American people and make sure that we have these capabilities now for current threats.
So the idea that we are doing massive cuts and that this is irresponsible probably makes sense to people that think that there's no such thing as not enough money for MDA, but from my point of view and for my constituents, I believe they need accountability, they need a testing regime operated by somebody other than themselves, and we need to have the modest cuts in this budget and need to oppose this amendment.
Madam Chairman, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from South Carolina (Mr. Spratt).
Madam Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Andrews).
(Mr. ANDREWS asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Madam Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Madam Chairman, I yield myself the balance of my time.
Madam Chairman, as I said earlier, I rise in opposition to this amendment because we, I believe, have cuts in this bill that not only preserve the ability to have robust investments in missile defense, but, for the first time, create accountability for the Missile Defense Agency to deliver in the near term the kinds of capabilities necessary to protect our warfighters in the near term for real threats they face today, the American people, for real threats they face today and our allies and access abroad.
That is what we decided to do last year in the defense bill. That is our most important priority. These are minor cuts that redirect our agency to do what they never did under our colleagues when they were in the majority, which is to have operational testing that is real, that has countermeasures, that deals with the real kinds of circumstances that we would face if we were attacked. There is great doubt out there about the capabilities of this system because it has never been held to the rigor and the robust testing necessary to make it a credible deterrent.
We believe these cuts are marginal cuts. We plus up many things in this bill to make sure that we deliver in the near term to the warfighter the capabilities they need, and I urge my colleagues to oppose this amendment.
Madam Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
Madam Chairman, I claim the time in opposition, although I don't oppose the amendment.
Madam Chairman, let's just be clear. There is nothing in the bill that says that MDA cannot put the system on operational alert using RDT&E funds. They are not prohibited from doing it. In fact, they have done it in the past.
What section 222 does say that if you are going to operate it, you should use operating and maintenance funds. That's all it says.
So we have no objection to the gentleman's amendment, because in fact there is nothing in the bill that prohibits the system from being flicked on, and there is nothing about what we say that is contrary to what the gentleman is asserting. However, we do believe that it is important that when you are operating a system, you should use operation and maintenance funds.
I am happy to yield to the ranking member.
Reclaiming my time, I said that very easily I would be happy to accept the amendment.
Frankly, we have had a markup in the subcommittee and a markup in the full committee over the last 3 weeks, and any time, if the gentleman had come to me and said that he needed clarification for what these funds could be used for, I would have been happy to clarify for him. And I hope he now feels it has been clarified.
It has always been operationally possible for the RDT&E money to be used for operational alerts. That is what they have been used for before.
So I am happy to accept the gentleman's amendment.
Madam Chair, I reserve the balance of my time.
Madam Chairman, I am happy to take the amendment. And any time that the gentleman wants to work together on these issues, we are happy to do it.
I yield back the balance of my time.