Reserving the right to object, I am not sure if I had the full context of the Senator's request regarding the time remaining here. I withdraw my reservation. Mr. President, I rise to speak on behalf of the amendment offered by my colleague…
Reserving the right to object, I am not sure if I had the full context of the Senator's request regarding the time remaining here.
I withdraw my reservation.
Mr. President, I rise to speak on behalf of the amendment offered by my colleague from New Jersey, Senator Menendez. I want to make sure there is a clear understanding about what we are discussing. It has been said before--it is worthy of repetition--that 700 of the almost 3,000 people who lost their lives on 9/11 came from the State of New Jersey. The largest remaining share came from the State of New York. The region is connected by all kinds of interests and conditions. When we look at the region and see what happened with our State and the State of New York, in terms of resources from grants by Homeland Security, it is hard to understand.
We don't have sufficient resources for homeland security. I heard my colleague say that earlier. We don't. However, whatever we do have should be targeted to those parts of the country most at risk of another terrorist attack. Here we see, once again, that our friends in the Congress, our friends in the Senate are treating homeland security as another opportunity for additional resources. We are all resource starved, every State. Why? The reasons are obvious. We are giving tax breaks to people who don't deserve and, in many cases, don't want them, billions and billions of dollars to the wealthiest among us. We have a war, about which there is considerable question, that is costing us hundreds of billions of dollars. And by the end of this year, we will probably be at the level of $500 billion, a half a trillion dollars. That funnel keeps on taking money away from what we need at home.
Yes, we have to protect ourselves against terrorism from any part of the world against American citizens. But we have a reason to believe that on these shores of ours, within the boundaries of the United States, we could lose lots more of our people and have our lives disrupted much more than they have been. It is very uncomfortable. We spend a fortune in security funding. If you go to the airports, you see it every minute. If you go into large public buildings, you see it there. Wherever you go, our lives have been inhibited in some way. Our freedoms are curtailed by the threat of terrorism.
So we hear that our enemy has their guns loaded. What would happen if we knew that there was going to be an assault coming from abroad on the New York Harbor? Would we say: Don't defend that harbor; don't defend those areas, New Jersey and New York, where they are at the highest risk of terrorism facilities in the country? No, don't defend them? Even though the armada is on its way to New York Harbor, let's make sure that we take care of Wyoming and Nebraska and other States? No slight intended; they are all great States. But let's make sure we give them money now because we are going to distribute funds for defending ourselves.
Seven hundred people from our State--neighbors, friends, even family. My oldest daughter's best friend died in the World Trade Center, leaving three children behind. Her husband searched hospitals for 2 weeks, refusing to accept the fact that she would no longer be in their lives, hoping against hope she would be discovered alive. Those stories were repeated all over the area. The FBI has declared the 2-mile stretch that goes from Newark Liberty Airport to the harbor as the most inviting place for a terrorist attack in the country. Why? It is a very densely populated area, with large chemical facilities that could endanger the lives or well-being of more than 12 million people.
To suggest that each State should be guaranteed a minimum I find hard to believe. I commend my colleague for saying: OK. Recognizing that if we want to get this passed, that we desperately need to raise the funds for those places most at risk, as mandated by the 9/11 Commission, then we have to understand reality. It is politics. Every State wants to get a little bit of the distribution. So let's reduce it from three- quarters of 1 percent to one-quarter of a percent as a minimum and allow more funds to be distributed among the States most at risk. It makes eminent sense to me.
When we look out west and we see Wyoming, beautiful State that it is, getting seven times more resources, more funding per capita than New Jersey, seven times more, if there is a risk in Wyoming, it sure can't be comprehended by seven times more distribution.
I recall, once again, for emphasis purposes, recommendation 25 of the 9/11 Commission report:
Homeland security assistance should be based strictly on an
assessment of risks and vulnerabilities. Federal homeland
security assistance should not remain a program for general
revenue sharing.
Listen to that. Pay attention to this report. It was skillfully done, headed by the former Governor of New Jersey, a brilliant public servant who said that this is the way the program should be divided. Let's do it that way. Let's do it. Let's put the money where the risk is. That is what this ought to be about, nothing more. We have tried to arrive at a compromise position. I hope the Senate will support that position.
I yield the floor.
Mr. President, I appreciate the opportunity to speak on this issue because, frankly, it is so hard to comprehend that it needs clarification.
What are we talking about? We are saying if people have guns, and they are caught up in the chaos of a natural disaster, with people being chased out of their homes, people being rescued from rooftops, people begging for assistance, hanging out of windows, and so forth, if you have the wrong person who is hollering for help, and you are a first responder and you go into that house, you could get shot.
What is the sense of this? We are not saying you are being deprived of a privilege at that point. What is the privilege? To maybe kill a neighbor? Mr. President, if there are 30,000 people in a place that cannot accommodate that number, and in the middle of that confusion, in the middle of that frustration, in the middle of the anger and the rage that has to follow because you have been taken out of your home, or maybe don't know where your children are or where your spouse is, and the mental attitude that could exist in that situation, and they are making sure you have your pet pistol handy?
It is outrageous, and it should not be allowed. We have to vote against the Vitter amendment because what it attempts to do is to make sure there is protection. The protection, however, is for the NRA. National Rifle Association really means ``No Records Available'' and that is ridiculous that we
don't want to have lethal weapons controlled in times of crisis.
I am sure the Senator from Louisiana is reacting to a situation. To put it bluntly, I think the Vitter amendment would put the lives of police officers, National Guard troops, rescuers, and victims of a disaster in far greater danger. The Vitter amendment would prevent law enforcement officials and rescuers, first responders from collecting firearms from individuals, even temporarily, during an emergency or major disaster.
I will be pleased to yield.
The Senator is absolutely correct. Imagine this in response to what the Senator is saying: There were felons turned loose on the streets, there were looters occupying homes or anything to get themselves out of the flood or out of the way and steal anything, and here we give them a present. Not only did they find a roof over their head, they found guns.
So someone innocently trying to be of help comes in, such as an ambulance group, a physician, a coastguardsmen--look how gallant the Coast Guard people were--and imagine they try to break their way into a window to rescue someone they know is in there, and some crazy is there with a gun. Everybody knows, despite the fact that the person coming into the house wants to be of help--visualize what is taking place in some of the major cities across our country, where fire trucks responding to a fire are shot at. Here we are going to say: Wait a second, don't take away their guns. Maybe we ought to take away the fire engine, but don't take away their guns.
It is the NRA button. It has been pushed by the organization, and they are saying: Hey, don't let them encroach on our weapon ownership, even if the crisis is one that is going to take lives, as we saw in Katrina. Imagine being in that facility, that hall with all those people who were desperate to find some way out of that mess and someone starts an argument. Pistols, guns around? Outrageous.
What it means is that our law enforcement community will not be able to, even temporarily, hold weapons to protect other victims of the community at large during this crisis. At the next evacuation center, such as the Louisiana Superdome, we should allow people to roam around that facility with guns and assault weapons? What happens if someone wants to steal something they see one of their neighbors has and an argument ensues? The lawfulness is gone. They will be totally out of control giving somebody a gun like that.
I was fortunate enough to have the opportunity to write a law that took guns away from domestic abusers of children and spouses. We had a huge fight over it and finally we got it through. It was 1998. Since then, we have had over 100,000 gun permits denied to people who get so enraged that they beat up their kids, their spouse, their wives, their husbands, and the NRA was in there fighting every inch along the way: Oh, no, don't deprive the people of their freedom to beat up their wife, beat up their kids, and maybe if they are drunk enough, they may want to take a couple of shots at members of their household. No, we stopped that.
We plead with the Senator from Louisiana: Don't force us to vote on this amendment. Don't do it. Think about the people in Louisiana and think about what it might have been like in New Orleans at that time, with water running over the rooftops in many cases. Now we are asking for the right to prohibit law enforcement from confiscating guns if they knew where they are? Perhaps one of these people who had a gun, been arrested and convicted for domestic abuse still has the gun--let them sit there with a gun and try to enter into a household that is disturbed? It is not right, not fair.
The Senate is going to tell law enforcement officials who are trying to control these facilities that they are powerless: Keep your hands off those guns, policemen, FBI agents, FEMA people; keep your hands off those guns. Our police and Federal law enforcement officers are the first line of defense in terrorist attacks and natural disasters, and they have to have some degree of discretion.
The International Brotherhood of Police Officers thinks this about the Vitter amendment:
The IBPO stands by our brothers and sisters in law
enforcement and disapproves of any legislation that may
interfere with a police officer's discretion to react as he
or she sees fit under extreme emergency circumstances.
Furthermore, the IBPO believes that responsible gun owners
who act in accordance with Federal, State and local law are
unlikely to have their guns confiscated unless they use or
possess the guns in a manner or place that would be
prohibited or threatening.
They are confirming that this is a bad idea.
The Vitter amendment would make it almost impossible for officials to set up safe areas during an emergency. It would turn evacuation centers into the Wild West. Take the guns and set them up in a safe area so they are returned to the owners. However, be careful to make sure that the original owner, the person who turned the gun in, isn't really a felon on the loose. Police know that large crowds, confined quarters, and limited amounts of food and water will lead to high tempers and leave people on the edge.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent for 2 minutes more.
I thank the chair.
Understandably, police don't want guns in those shelters. The police must have the right to make that shelter a gun-free area. So what do they do? They say: Hey, Joe, turn in that gun; turn it in, and as soon as you are settled, we will keep it in safekeeping for you, and we will give you back your gun. But meanwhile, don't permit that gun owner, in a moment of rage, to do damage that is irreparable.
The fact is, our law enforcement community has to have the ability to make decisions that it believes will ensure the health and safety of the community at large. There is no valid reason law enforcement agencies should be prevented from doing their job in times of emergency. Let's not make it tougher for them. What do we want to do in times of crisis such as a flood, an earthquake, a hurricane, a tornado? At times like that, do we want to make it tougher for our emergency response people to carry out the duties they volunteer for, typically, and do so efficiently, under dangerous circumstances to themselves?
Let the NRA say: Come on, come on, let's let them have their guns. What is the difference? So they may take a shot or two. That is how it sounds to me, and I hope it sounds the same way to others.
I yield the floor.