I suggest the absence of a quorum. If I could, through the Chair to my friend from Arizona, I have no problem with an up-or-down vote. I would rather he told me he wanted an up-or-down vote. I would say fine. I have no problem. I also say…
I suggest the absence of a quorum.
If I could, through the Chair to my friend from Arizona, I have no problem with an up-or-down vote. I would rather he told me he wanted an up-or-down vote. I would say fine. I have no problem.
I also say to my friend, I want to make sure everyone who wants to speak will have the opportunity. I have no problem at all with an up- or-down vote on this.
Mr. President, I object. We can't do that. The Senator from Florida has been here since 2 o'clock. I think we should keep our regular order here.
He is speaking on the amendment.
I would like to be able to speak for a few minutes.
A few minutes. I will do it as quickly as I can.
I may need 10.
The Senator from Arizona should be the last speaker?
Mr. President, there would be no amendments in order prior to the vote up or down as the sponsor of the amendment wants.
Before my friend leaves, we have served together for many years. We do things in that committee that are so important for the State of Nevada. We authorize programs dealing with flood control, which Nevada has tremendous problems with, with the growth taking place. We do things there to help flood control in Las Vegas and the Appropriations Committee will not give us the money we feel we need.
Superfund is a program I believe in, but we authorize things in that committee and the Appropriations Committee lets us down almost every time. We do it with the Corps of Engineers. We do it with the endangered species.
I say, why shouldn't we have the Environment and Public Works Committee do their own appropriating?
Then we would not have to worry about Las Vegas flooding. We would take care of it. I would go each year as quickly as I could to get the first bill passed and get all the money so there is none left for the rest of the committees.
The fact is programs that are within that jurisdiction--FEMA is an example--these are programs that are essential. I get upset at the Appropriations Committee, even though I am a member, for not getting money to the things I support, as someone who has been chairman of that committee on two separate occasions.
I know the good intentions of my friend from Arizona. He and I came to the House together. We came to the Senate together. I never like to get involved in a legislative battle with Senator McCain because of his passion with legislative battles and life in general. The fact is, even though I don't like to get involved, and I rarely do, he is wrong this time. He is wrong.
What would happen if this amendment is passed? There would be more secrecy. There would be too much power consolidated, as the former chairman who served on the committee 10 years, Bob Graham, has said. He has served as chairman and wrote a book on the Intelligence Committee. He said it would be the wrong thing to do. It would reduce the number of people and staff looking at the critical matters.
The appropriations and authorization process has been separate for 170 years. Why? This is not by accident. It is because there has to be some control, ultimately, of money. That is why we do not allow Senator Reid of the Environment and Public Works Committee, Senator Reid and others who serve on authorizing committees to have a free hand in the money.
Now, the authorizers look at matters of policy. That is the way it should be. The appropriators are spending the people's money the way the law states.
The solution we have come up with is a better solution that strengthens the Intelligence Committee and creates a new intelligence appropriations subcommittee.
Governor Kean, the cochair of the 9/11 Commission, said:
I think [an intelligence appropriations subcommittee] would
be very much in my mind within the spirit of our
recommendations.
I know my friend from Arizona wrote a letter saying this is fine, maybe, but what we want is better. I don't want to get in a nitpicking ``he said, they said,'' but I am reading from page 421 of the 9/11 Commission:
We also recommend that the intelligence committee should
have a subcommittee specifically dedicated to oversight,
freed from the consuming responsibility of working on the
budget.
I don't know if it was an oversight, but I wrote a book once and they sent it to an editor, someone who worked at the University of Texas. She was a professional editor. This is my book, a history book, and she came back with all of the contradictions that I had made myself right in my book. I was so stunned how good she was.
Whoever was doing the editing of this report made a mistake, because you cannot have it both ways. You cannot have limited budget authority and have them do the appropriation and the authorizing all at one time.
This is something that is very important. Senator McCain is wrong. It would not be hard, for example, to find someone to serve on the Intelligence Committee. He said we cannot find people to serve on the Intelligence Committee and this will make it worse.
Walk through those doors and through another set of doors and you wind up in Senator Daschle's office. The most sought-after committee by Democrats in the Senate is the Intelligence Committee. There is a long line of people wanting to serve on that committee. Why? Because it deals with the most important aspects of what goes on in this country. It deals with the intelligence aspects of our Federal Government. They deal with what no one else deals with. Senator Roberts and Senator Rockefeller have done a wonderful job with very few tools to do it with. What we did yesterday and what we are doing here today is creating an Intelligence Committee that has the tools to do work that they have done in a very difficult way. We are giving the Intelligence Committee superpower authority.
I suggest to my friend Senator McCain, it is going to be easy to find people to serve on this committee. It has been easy in the past and it will be easier now because the committee is better than ever.
He describes the lack of oversight in the current intelligence process, but his process is to give only a handful of Senators unprecedented power. We propose more checks and balances. That is what we need--more, not less.
This amendment is an amendment that is offered in good faith. I know my friend from Arizona feels he is doing the right thing, but it is the wrong thing to do. It would be bad; it would consolidate power. This is exactly what we do not need.
I ask for the yeas and nays.
I announce that the Senator from North Carolina (Mr. Edwards) and the Senator from Massachusetts (Mr. Kerry) are necessarily absent.
Mr. President, I don't know whether I will use any time, but I would like to be included to speak for up to 5 minutes.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the request be modified: that there be no amendments in order prior to final passage on this amendment.
Mr. President, as we were listening to Senator McCain and the unanimous consent request for time, the cloakroom had a call from Senator Lautenberg. I ask unanimous consent that the order now before the Senate be amended to allow Senator Lautenberg 10 minutes. I am hopeful I will not have to use my 5 minutes, so it would not extend things for more than 5 minutes, 10 at the most. I ask Senator Lautenberg be allowed 10 minutes prior to Senator McCain speaking.
Mr. President, under the order, Senator Lautenberg has 10 minutes. He will not need that time so that can be stricken. What is the order of the speaking now?
Mr. President, I don't have a dog in this fight other than the fact that I have worked for a month to the point where we are now. I don't want anyone here to think the new committee on homeland security-governmental affairs does not have a lot of
work to do and a lot of jurisdiction. They are totally responsible for three directorates. The new homeland security-governmental affairs committee will have sole jurisdiction over three of the four primary directorates in the Department of Homeland Security: science and technology directorate, emergency preparedness and response directorate, information analysis and infrastructure protection, and share parts of the directorate of border and transportation security.
For my good friend, the Senator from Maine, to stand and say, We don't have anything to do, basically, is simply not factual.
I would also say we have transferred jurisdiction from 10 standing committees and given jurisdiction to this committee. This is not a numbers game as to how many employees are involved. It is the number of functions they have been asked to take a look at. And if it is any indication that we haven't given them anything, you should understand that every chairman of the 10 committees has been telling us we gave them too much. You can't have it both ways.
I would also say, even though I don't have a dog in this fight, no one should ever suggest that Senator Inouye and Senator Stevens are not equipped to handle what has been left with them in Commerce. Remember, Senator Inouye is a Medal of Honor winner. Senator Stevens is a World War II veteran. That may not make them better Senators, but it certainly doesn't make them worse Senators.
The only reason I am standing, people can vote however they believe they should, but they should not vote based on the fact that we have given this new homeland security subcommittee no jurisdiction. They have lots of work to do, including all the work they did before. It is not as if they don't have anything to do. They have all they had to do before plus all the other things they have been given as a result of this legislation that we hope will pass soon.
He is not going to speak on the amendment.
Mr. President, the two leaders are emphatic that they want to move forward. We have a lot of stuff to do. Tomorrow is the scheduled day for departure. That will be difficult. I wish people would follow the example of the Senator from Arizona, and I say that seriously. He never takes a lot of time. He doesn't waste a lot of time. He sets a tone for how we should move forward. I appreciate his cooperation on these two very important amendments. These are the two most important amendments we will have on this bill now before the body. I appreciate his cooperation.
I announce that the Senator from North Carolina (Mr. Edwards) and the Senator from Massachusetts (Mr. Kerry) are necessarily absent.
I announce that the Senator from North Carolina (Mr. Edwards and the Senator from Massachusetts (Mr. Kerry) are necessarily absent.
Thank you, Mr. President. The two leaders have indicated they want to press forward on this resolution tonight. We still have a number of amendments. They are completing in the House, as we speak, the FSC conference report, the conference dealing with the drought aid and the hurricane assistance, and we have to deal with those in the next few days, so we need to finish this bill tonight if at all possible. The two leaders have instructed their two loyal assistants to move forward on this resolution, and that is what we are going to do. So everyone who has amendments should bring them forward. If there is a time when no one is offering amendments, we will move to third reading on the bill.
The amendment has been modified?
I have spoken to the comanager of this bill. We have no objection. We appreciate very much the time and effort of so many involved to get us to this point.
I urge that the amendment be accepted.
Mr. President, I move to reconsider the vote and to lay that motion on the table.
The motion to lay on the table was agreed to.
Mr. President, I have tried to be silent tonight. If anyone wants to come and offer an amendment, I will sit down.
People have made statements asking: What is this committee going to have; you have taken everything from them. I am going to read a few of the most important things they have to do. This committee should not be concerned only with the number of employees. They should be concerned with responsibilities.
The first directorate, the Directorate for Information Analysis and Infrastructure Protection: the Under Secretary of Homeland Security for Information Analysis and Infrastructure Protection. In general: There shall be in the Department a Directorate for Information Analysis and Infrastructure Protection.
Responsibilities: The Under Secretary shall assist the Secretary in discharging this responsibility. The Assistant Secretary for Information Analysis is under the control of this committee.
The Assistant Secretary for Information Analysis: There shall be in the Department an Assistant Secretary for Information Analysis who shall be appointed by the President.
The Assistant Secretary for Information Analysis and the Assistant Secretary for Infrastructure Protection shall assist the Under Secretary for Information Analysis and Infrastructure Protection in discharging the responsibilities of the Under Secretary.
The Secretary shall ensure that the responsibilities of the Department regarding information analysis and infrastructure protection are carried out through the Under Secretary for Information Analysis and Infrastructure Protection.
Responsibilities of the Under Secretary: To access, receive, and analyze
law enforcement information, intelligence information, and other information from agencies of the Federal Government, State and local government agencies, including law enforcement agencies, and private sector entities, and to integrate such information in order to--A, identify and assess the nature and scope of terrorist threats to the homeland; B, detect and identify threats of terrorism against the United States; C, understand such threats in light of actual and potential vulnerabilities to the homeland.
That sounds to me like it is more than nothing. This is the policy of our country over which they have jurisdiction.
No. 2, to carry out comprehensive assessments of the vulnerabilities of the key resources and critical infrastructure of the United States, including the performance of risk assessments to determine the risks posed by particular types of terrorist attacks within the United States, including an assessment of the probability of success of such attacks and the feasibility and potential efficacy of various countermeasures to such attacks.
No. 3, to integrate relevant information, analyses, and vulnerability assessments, whether such information, analyses, or assessments are provided or produced by the Department or others, in order to identify priorities for protective and support measures by the Department, other agencies of the Federal Government, State and local government agencies and authorities, the private sector, and other entities.
No. 4. To ensure, pursuant to section 202, the timely and
efficient access by the Department to all information
necessary to discharge the responsibilities under this
section, including obtaining such information from other
agencies of the Federal Government.
No. 5. To develop a comprehensive national plan for
securing the key resources and critical infrastructure of the
United States, including power production, generation, and
distribution systems, information technology and
telecommunications systems (including satellites), electronic
financial and property record storage and transmission
systems, emergency preparedness communications systems, and
the physical and technological assets that support such
systems.
No. 6. To recommend measures necessary to protect the key
resources and critical infrastructure of the United States in
coordination with other agencies of the Federal Government
and in cooperation with State and local government agencies
and authorities, the private sector, and other entities.
No. 7. To administer the Homeland Security Advisory System,
including--
A. exercising primary responsibility for public advisories
related to threats to homeland security; and
B. in coordination with other agencies of the Federal
Government, providing specific warning information, and
advice about appropriate protective measures and counter-
measures, to State and local government agencies and
authorities, the private sector, other entities, and the
public.
No. 8. To review, analyze, and make recommendations for
improvements in the policies and procedures governing the
sharing of law enforcement information, intelligence
information, intelligence-related information, and other
information relating to homeland security within the Federal
Government and between the Federal Government and State and
local government agencies and authorities.
No. 9. To disseminate, as appropriate, information analyzed
by the Department within the Department, to other agencies of
the Federal Government with responsibilities relating to
homeland security, and to agencies of State and local
governments and private sector entities with such
responsibilities in order to assist in the deterrence,
prevention, preemption of, or response to, terrorist attacks
against the United States.
No. 10. To consult with the Director of Central
Intelligence and other appropriate intelligence, law
enforcement, or other elements of the Federal Government to
establish collection priorities and strategies for
information, including law enforcement-related information,
relating to threats of terrorism against the United States
through such means as the representation of the Department in
discussions regarding requirements and priorities in the
collection of such information.
No. 11. To consult with State and local governments and
private sector entities to ensure appropriate exchanges of
information, including law enforcement-related information,
relating to the threats of terrorism against the United
States.
No. 12. To ensure that--
A. any material received pursuant to this Act is protected
from unauthorized disclosure and handled and used only for
the performance of official duties; and
B. any intelligence information under this Act is shared,
retained, and disseminated consistent with the authority of
the Director of Central Intelligence to protect intelligence
sources and methods under the National Security Act of 1947
(50 U.S.C. 401 et seq.) and related procedures and, as
appropriate, similar authorities of the Attorney General
concerning sensitive law enforcement information.
No. 13. To request additional information from other
agencies of the Federal Government, State and local
government agencies, and the private sector relating to
threats of terrorism in the United States, or relating to
other areas of responsibility assigned by the Secretary,
including the entry into cooperative agreements through the
Secretary to obtain such information.
No. 14. To establish and utilize, in conjunction with the
chief information officer of the Department, a secure
communications and information technology infrastructure,
including data-mining and other advanced analytical tools, in
order to access, receive, and analyze data and information in
furtherance of the responsibilities under this section, and
to disseminate information acquired and analyzed by the
Department, as appropriate.
No. 15. To ensure, in conjunction with the chief
information officer of the Department, that any information
databases and analytical tools developed or utilized by the
Department--
A. are compatible with one another and with relevant
information databases of other agencies of the Federal
Government; and
B. treat information in such databases in a manner that
complies with applicable Federal law on privacy.
No. 16. To coordinate training and other support to the
elements and personnel of the Department, other agencies of
the Federal Government, and State and local governments that
provide information to the Department, or are consumers of
information provided by the Department, in order to
facilitate the identification and sharing of information
revealed in their ordinary duties and the optimal utilization
of information received from the Department.
No. 17. To coordinate with elements of the intelligence
community and with Federal, State, and local law enforcement
agencies, and the private sector, as appropriate.
No. 18. To provide intelligence and information analysis
and support to other elements of the Department.
No. 19. To perform such other duties relating to such
responsibilities as the Secretary may provide.
Mr. President, this is a big-time focus on the administration of this new committee. This is only part of it. For someone to come to the floor and say they have not given us anything, I have read some of the most important aspects of setting the policy of this country as it relates to defeating terrorism. They may not have the right number of employees, but their responsibilities for setting the policy of this country are in that committee. Anyone who thinks not, let them see what we have done. This is only the first directorate. There are others. I have not completed reading what is in this directorate.
Here are the agencies covered: The Department of State, the CIA, the FBI, the National Security Agency, the National Imagery and Mapping Agency, and the Defense Intelligence Agency.
I have only read a few things of the first directorate. If they had nothing else to do during the legislative year than deal with what I have completed reading, it would be a massive undertaking. In addition to that, you see, we have not taken any of the responsibilities away from the Governmental Affairs Committee. They had huge responsibilities before we gave them this. For people to come on this floor and whine and cry about they don't have anything to do, it is not in keeping with what we have done with this committee.
I will go to one other directorate. I have only read a few pages from this directorate. I have read three pages. I have about 15 or 20 more here. I don't feel that I want to spend my time reading that, other than to say they have tremendous responsibilities.
Under the Office of Science and Technology, they have another big job. This is to ``carry out programs that, through the provision of equipment, training, and technical assistance, improve the safety and effectiveness of law enforcement technology and improve access by Federal, State, and local law enforcement agencies.''
That is another huge responsibility they have been given.
In carrying out its mission, the Office shall have the
following duties:
No. 1. To provide recommendations and advice to the
Attorney General.
No. 2. To establish and maintain advisory groups (which
shall be exempt from the provisions of the Federal Advisory
Committee Act (5 U.S.C. App.)) to assess the law enforcement
technology needs of Federal, State, and local law enforcement
agencies.
No. 3. To establish and maintain performance standards in
accordance with the National Technology Transfer and
Advancement Act of 1995 (Public Law 14-113) for, and
test and evaluate law enforcement technologies that may be
used by Federal, State, and local law enforcement agencies.
No. 4. To establish and maintain a program to certify,
validate, and mark or otherwise recognize law enforcement
technology products that conform to standards established and
maintained by the Office in accordance with the National
Technology Transfer and Advancement Act of 1995 (Public Law
104-113). The program may, at the discretion of the Office,
allow for supplier's declaration of conformity with such
standards.
No. 5. To work with other entities within the Department of
Justice, other Federal agencies, and the executive office of
the President to establish a coordinated Federal approach on
issues related to law enforcement technology.
No. 6. To carry out research, development, testing,
evaluation, and cost-benefit analyses in fields that would
improve the safety, effectiveness, and efficiency of law
enforcement technologies used by Federal, State, and local
law enforcement agencies, including, but not limited to--
A. weapons capable of preventing use by unauthorized
persons, including personalized guns;
B. protective apparel;
C. bullet-resistant and explosion-resistant glass;
D. monitoring systems and alarm systems capable of
providing precise location information;
E. wire and wireless interoperable communication
technologies;
F. tools and techniques that facilitate investigative and
forensic work, including computer forensics;
G. equipment for particular use in counterterrorism,
including devices and technologies to disable terrorist
devices;
H. guides to assist State and local law enforcement
agencies;
I. DNA identification technologies; and
J. tools and techniques that facilitate investigations of
computer crime.
No. 7. To administer a program of research, development,
testing, and demonstration to improve the interoperability of
voice and data public safety communications.
No. 8. To serve on the Technical Support Working Group of
the Department of Defense, and on other relevant interagency
panels as requested.
No. 9. To develop, and disseminate to State and local law
enforcement agencies, technical assistance and training
materials for law enforcement personnel, including
prosecutors.
No. 10. To operate the regional National Law Enforcement
and Corrections Technology Centers and, to the extent
necessary, establish additional centers through a competitive
process.
No. 11. To administer a program of acquisition, research,
development, and dissemination of advanced investigative
analysis and forensic tools to assist State and local law
enforcement agencies in combating cybercrime.
No. 12. To support research fellowships in support of its
mission.
No. 13. To serve as a clearinghouse for information on law
enforcement technologies.
No. 14. To represent the United States and State and local
law enforcement agencies, as requested, in international
activities concerning law enforcement technology.
No. 15. To enter into contracts and cooperative agreements
and provide grants, which may require in-kind or cash matches
from the recipient, as necessary to carry out its mission.
No. 16. To carry out other duties assigned by the Attorney
General to accomplish the mission of the Office.
Mr. President, that is a pretty heavy load. I would say if they think they have more time than this, then they have a lot of time. This is what we believe we have given them, partially. And for anyone to come here and say that these three directorates, plus the fourth--this doesn't give them anything to do, it may not be the number of employees, but there is a large number of employees in the TSA.
They have so much. Committees are there to set policy. That is the whole purpose of it, and I have laid out policy directions that they have on which it would take forever for this body to hold hearings.
It is very unfair to Senator McConnell and me and the task force generally to say we did not give them anything. We gave them so much you need a semitruck and trailer to haul the responsibilities alone. I have read only part of them.
Senator McConnell will be on the floor shortly. If there are no other amendments, we will go to final passage. Everybody should know it is 8:30 at night, and we waited all day. We want to be patient. As I indicated, we are going to do our very best to finish this legislation as soon as we can.
I yield the floor and suggest the absence of a quorum.
I move to lay that motion on the table.
The motion to lay on the table was agreed to.
Amendment No. 4038 to Amendment No. 3981
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Mr. President, the distinguished Senator from Delaware has an amendment to offer. He has indicated
he would be willing to enter into a time agreement which, as far as I am concerned, is fine. He has indicated he would take--
And whoever wishes to speak against him have 15 minutes, and Senator Biden have 5 minutes to close if somebody speaks following that.
Would that be appropriate?
The topic of it is Senator Biden and Senator Lugar wish to add the chairman and ranking member of the Foreign Relations Committee as ex officio members of the Intelligence Committee, having no voting rights or the ability to help establish a quorum.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that Senator Biden have 15 minutes, that someone opposing his amendment have 15 minutes, and Senator Biden have 5 minutes to close the debate prior to a vote on the amendment, and that no amendments to the amendment be in order prior to a vote on the amendment.
I announce that the Senator from North Carolina (Mr. Edwards), the Senator from Florida (Mr. Graham), the Senator from South Carolina (Mr. Hollings), the Senator from Massachusetts (Mr. Kerry), and the Senator from Connecticut (Mr. Lieberman) are necessarily absent.
I suggest the absence of a quorum.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Mr. President, I am sure that everyone in good faith offered the amendment, but the action that was taken by the Senate has to be rescinded. The managers of the bill were not aware of what was going on. Anyone interested in this had no knowledge of what was going on. It is simply not the right thing to do.
I ask unanimous consent that the action taken by the Senate on amendment No. 4040 be rescinded.
Mr. President, earlier today there was a long deliberation and finally adoption of an amendment that had been earlier filed by Senator Bayh. It is my understanding that another amendment superseded that. That amendment is pending. It is No. 3995.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the amendment be withdrawn.
Mr. President, the unanimous consent agreement that was adopted by the Senate a few minutes ago, we want to make sure the Record is clear that when we talk about Collins, Nickles, Hutchison, Frist, Bingaman, and Rockefeller, we are talking about one amendment per member, and I want the Record to reflect that.
I suggest the absence of a quorum.