Mr. President, this is a chance for us to engage in constructive discussion. It is still a very interesting proposition. I think it is going to pass, and it will be, in spite of what was said last night, bipartisan. In fact, it could not…
Mr. President, this is a chance for us to engage in constructive discussion. It is still a very interesting proposition. I think it is going to pass, and it will be, in spite of what was said last night, bipartisan. In fact, it could not possibly pass without that being the fact.
There are a number of things in here which are called cuts, but I think it is very important we remember that these are, for the most part, not cuts from the present situation but cuts from the original stimulus package, which was cut by over $100 billion, and
therefore they appear to be cuts, but they are not cuts. They are actually, for the most part, additions--substantial additions--to what we already have. So if the bill had not passed, a lot of these programs would cease to exist.
So I think it is a positive document. It is not without flaws. We have a conference committee coming and that will be very important. I look forward to the engagement today and to the conference committee and to the passage of the bill.
I yield the floor.
That is fine.
Will the Senator yield?
Will the Senator yield?
I say to the Senator from Arizona, it probably is a good idea if you try to play by the rules here. We are going back and forth. Each Senator has a certain amount of time. We can engage, but I don't think that you, as my friend and counterpart, should feel you need to make a speech after every point that is made on our side. I think that is a tendency right now, and it doesn't do service to others on your side or my side who want to speak.
Mr. President, I say to the distinguished Senator from California, I need to find out if the Senator from Alabama-- because we are meant to go back and forth--will take time.
If the Senator does not wish to speak, we can do it on our side.
All right.
Mr. President, I yield 10 to 12 minutes to the Senator from California.
Mr. President, add on 3 more minutes.
Mr. President, I know the manager on the other side is not here, so how much time would the Senator from Nebraska require?
Mr. President, I yield 7 minutes to the Senator from Minnesota.
Mr. President, I note that my bill managing colleague is not here.
Mr. President, I yield 7 minutes to the Senator from New Mexico, Mr. Udall.
I yield 7 minutes to the Senator from Arkansas.
I ask unanimous consent that the time be extended until 3:30, but it already has been. By what mechanism, I know not, but it doesn't make any difference. That is why the Senator from Iowa was able to continue.
Since it is now 7 of and Senator Nelson and I both wish to speak, I ask unanimous consent that the time for debate be extended until 3:30, with the time equally divided between the leaders or their designees under the same provisions of the previous order.
I thank the Presiding Officer.
Mr. President, I wish to clear up a couple of quick points. I think I will be the last speaker from our side, and I am not sure about the other side. But we have until 3:30, and I will not speak that long.
I think it is important to point out a couple things.
No. 1, the point has been made that we rushed this thing and we are jamming it down the throats of people. Well, first of all, if we are doing that, we are not doing it in quite as numerically an advantageous way as we should.
Secondly, I think two of the most important committees that handle this whole matter--the Finance Committee and the Appropriations Committee--have been through full markup, have had hearings on this. I remember our markup in the Senate Finance Committee lasted 12 consecutive hours on our section of this bill. So it has been very well thought through. It has been very well debated. Amendments have been raised. Amendments have been rejected. We had 45 votes on the floor about this. They have been debated back and forth. They have been discussed. It is not clear to me if we did this for another week that we would be any wiser or we would have any crisper or more targeted bill than we have today.
The second point I wish to make is, when it is pointed out that as a percentage of total spending State spending is doubled, tripled, and all the rest of this--as if the States have been acting in some kind of very irresponsible fashion--I was a Governor. And Governors are capable of doing that from time to time. But I want to point out that as a percentage of total spending, State spending has not increased at a greater rate than any other of the sectors in our economy. It is just that the price of health care and the price of everything else-- inflation, all of it--has caused that. So people can say it is a $1.2 trillion bill, but that does not take into account all the reasons I have enumerated.
There are a lot of costs that are going to go up, and that is why at the end of a period of time it may be that, but we are not voting on something which is 5 years in the future or 8 years in the future. We are voting on something which has to take effect right now.
That brings me to what I want to say, and that is two points. We have wandered, it seems to me, a bit in this debate away from the people who I think haunt us in their tragedy. I regret that. People have talked about individual amendments they want to get. There is an enormous--42 percent of it is in tax cuts. That is probably more than most Democrats would do. But, on the other hand, the tax cuts tend to be more toward the middle class and small business, which is what the ranking member of the Finance Committee wants. He wants more, and I understand that. But we all want more or less of something. But what we do not want is for the American people to suffer, as they are now suffering. That is the only reason we are here. It is the only reason we are here.
This is only the beginning. We have at least two other major bills we are going to have that are going to require a lot of money that we are going to have to deal with. This is the first one. This is our first test. I think it is extraordinary, the point the Senator from Florida made, and others have made, that it took three Republicans and one Democrat to come together in essence to put forward a bill which I think is going to end up passing if we can work out our differences with the House in conference, which I think we will be able to do.
Now, why do I say this? I say this because we have no choice but to come to the aid of the American people. I am not saying that Government spending is the answer to everything, as I am not saying that tax cuts are also the answer to everything. And incentives are good. The tax cuts over the last 8 years, which went to primarily people who did not need those tax cuts--I do not think that ended up in more jobs. It may have ended up in more money and, therefore, more income tax revenue for the Government, but it was not stimulative in the way we are trying to do today.
So we want jobs. We want road construction. We want education. We have had to cut--I have my list of tragedy here of all of the programs we have had to cut in order to meet the needs of the more moderate bill, the $780 billion bill. I look down at this list, and I look at so many programs that I think need to be increased. But then I stop and I think: Well, they are being increased. They are not being increased by as much as the Democrats, as a main, wanted, and so we call them what is stated here: ``Quick Review of Cuts Made.'' That is not cuts made to the program from where they are now. That is cuts made to where we wanted to put them.
Why did we want to put them there? Because that would help stimulate the economy and to bring more jobs to our people. You cannot make light of this. You cannot talk about this without talking about what is happening to American families. You cannot do that. I come from a State which is not wealthy but which is full of incredibly hard-working people, incredibly hard-working people who have been working hard all their lives to stay afloat because that is the nature of our State and it is the nature of our topography, it is the nature of the resources we have and the way they have been handled. So, yes, I battle for them and, on the other hand, I also have to battle for the entire Nation through this program because we all live or die together.
Part of this is in the mind. People have to have confidence that the Senate has passed a bill and that we are moving in the right direction. It is not a question just of supporting a President from a Senator from this side of the aisle who happens to be a Democrat. It is a question of doing the right thing by the American people. And if it takes as many billions of dollars--$780 billion--to do that, then I say we have to do it. We have no choice.
Sometimes I have the feeling from the other side that what they want to do is adjust a number of amendments to increase the number of tax cuts, but that the plight of the American people is talked about, is used in not rhetoric but in their words, and used stirringly, but their real thinking is not there, it is in getting more to the way the other party has chosen to see progress hopefully happen in this country, and that is through tax cuts.
I cannot help but reiterate what has been said; that is, when President Clinton left office, he left a $5.6 trillion surplus. To some degree, I criticized him for something he actually could not have done but he could have done morally, and that is to go to the Congress, call a special session or whatever, and say: We have $5.6 trillion. We also have a whole world to confront, wars to fight, an entire Nation to rebuild--which was going to be my second point--and we can start right now doing that. That was while the economy was still prosperous. He was still President.
Then we entered into this massive period of borrowing for wars, which the intelligence showed was not right in this Senator's judgment. And now we are in Afghanistan and now we are in Pakistan, and who knows where it will stop. Well, al-Qaida is in 50 or 60 other countries, so it may not stop for quite a while.
I will say to the Presiding Officer, I can remember when I was a Peace Corps volunteer in the Philippines. I suspect the Presiding Officer had not been born yet. I was in the southern part of Mindanao in the city called Zamboanga City. It is the headquarters of Abu Sayyaf, who is the al-Qaida leader for Southeast Asia, and all of the same kind of slaughtering and mass killing between ethnic groups or religious groups was taking place then.
It is taking place all over the world--has been for centuries. You can go back to the English kings and the way they tortured people. What we do in this country is not something we can always be proud of. So it is the nature of people to fight.
The whole question of the war on terror, on one hand, trying to control
that, but then, on the other hand, how do we mitigate the need for it, gets into questions of something that nobody wants to talk about. Nobody ever has wanted to talk about it, and that is substantial amounts of foreign aid, to give people in other countries a feeling that we care about more than just killing high-value targets or Guantanamo or whatever, but we care about their lives.
First, we have to start by showing the American people that we care about their lives. That is why we are here. This is the first of three bills. This bill has to pass. This bill is a good bill. It is not the bill I would have written. There are cuts made which are very painful to me in terms of not just my State objective, but also my responsibilities in the Senate over the Commerce Committee and then over the Intelligence Committee. But we have to do that. We have to do that. We have to do that because people are suffering. When people are suffering, they turn to their ministers for a while, but essentially they know it is only the government that can come in, in emergencies, in critical situations, in desperate situations, and infuse money in certain areas which will create jobs.
Now, the President has been very clear that some of these jobs will come more quickly, saying a lot of them will--and a lot of the tax cuts will become available by September of next year. That is some time. A lot of them before that. Some of the jobs would not take place right away because you can't suddenly build a bridge. You have to have your plans, they all have to work, and it takes time. But we have to do that. We have to do that. We have to put people back to work. People without work who can work and who have families to support have no reason to have hope. If they give up hope, then they become part of not just people who are unemployed but people who have given up on employment, and they don't show up in the unemployment figures. They are called the people who have given up.
My own feeling is the unemployment rate is probably closer to 13 or 14 percent in this country right now. A lot of people have just lost all hope. They are the same people, they have the same values, the same families as others do.
So I hope we can pass this bill. I hope this is not a matter of anytime the Government intervenes, it wastes money. When the Government intervenes, sometimes, yes, it does. When Wall Street gives out bonuses and takes trips to spas and things of that sort, I call that wasting money, and I think we are paying attention to that. So it is part of human nature. Yet I think we are going to have an enormous effort on oversight of this program. I know the President is, I know the Congress will, so that as little money as possible will be wasted and people will get back to work.
Work is what people want to do. Work is what gives people dignity. I remember that from my early days in West Virginia when I went to a place where nobody had work and they couldn't hold their heads up high. Sometimes even people I love and who changed my life, who were what I call my secular rebirth in life, sometimes the men, when we had community meetings, would squat on their haunches and face away from the meeting. Psychologically, they were saying: I don't really believe what is going to come out of this is going to help me. I am here because you asked me to come, but I am not really here because I don't have faith.
We have to restore that faith, and we do that by giving people a sense that things are on the move, that things are going to get better, that bills pass as opposed to fail.
I don't want to see a bill which is mostly passed by Democratic votes and with a very few Republican votes. I don't want to see that. I will take it because it will get the program under way, but it is not the way it should be. Senator Nelson is correct. This looming partisanship is still a part of our problem in the Senate. The discipline of the party on the other side is usually a bit better than the party on my side, so they can be very effective in slowing things down, as I think we have seen.
The last point I wish to make is, this is not just a matter of helping people in desperate need and helping them as quickly as possible. Nonaction is not an option. Standing by and watching is not an option. It doesn't do any good for anybody to vote against this bill, even if it isn't what they want, because it will create activity. It will create confidence. It will create momentum.
The final point I wish to make is, it will create something more. We need in this country--and we have needed it for a long time, and it is why I wish President Clinton had taken that $5.6 trillion, pulled us all together and said, OK, we are going to spend 4 trillion of these dollars on re-creating America, re-creating schools, re-creating higher education, science and technology, re-creating a sense of fairness. Yes, arts, yes--not just $20 million contracts for athletes but people who add to the luster of our Nation. We have a long way to go. We don't have an air traffic control system which is digitalized. Mongolia is building them. We are behind Mongolia. Every other industrial country in the world has an air traffic control system which is digitalized and operates off a GPS system. Therefore, we have 33 percent more air traffic congestion than we need, and danger is increased. So we have to rebuild an entire Nation: elementary schools, secondary schools, high schools, colleges, postgraduate. We have to attract scholars into the areas where we need innovation. There is nothing like innovation. Senator Nelson knows this better than anybody because of what happens at NASA, but we need it.
We need people who want to serve in government. We want people to go into public service. If I had my way, I think I would probably get quite a few cosponsors who would say we ought to have a bill that requires every single American to take a period of 2 years out of their life and commit it to public service, community service. They could go into the military. They could go into teaching. They could go into nursing homes, home care, research, whatever, but 2 years out of their track so they could look at themselves and their country, so they wouldn't just be doing the same thing every day.
I was lucky to have that experience twice in my life, and it has made me a better person. I think it is the way you bring America together again so that you have everybody in the trenches together. Everyone is equal. The rich don't get a break; the poor don't get help. If they can't afford not to do this without help, then they get help. That would be expensive, but I think it is something this Nation needs in order to heal itself.
So let me end by saying we have absolutely no excuse whatsoever for not passing this bill or what comes out of the conference. We have no excuse. It would be a shame and an act of cruelty to do that to the American people who are now suffering. In the process of so doing, and of helping them, and of giving them some sense of hope about their own lives which, let's face it, is very important in how hard people choose to try and fight, participate in community affairs, and do all kinds of things. But we need to rebuild our Nation. If this crisis had never happened, I would be giving the second half of my speech. We have to rebuild the Nation, Mr. President, because we have let it slide over the last 50 years. Infrastructure is the most obvious example. I can name so many other areas. Broadband gets cut. That hurts me because that is the way people can achieve much faster communication, through the Internet. Long distance learning has been cut. It is still much more than it is now, but it has been cut from the original Democratic bill. That is the way people in a poor county in southern West Virginia learn Japanese from the University of Nebraska because they can do it online and then remake their careers and give themselves hope.
So I hope we will be large in our thinking, small in our politics, and generous and encouraging to the American people by passing the bill before us.
I thank the Chair and note the absence of a quorum.