I have an amendment at the desk. This amendment provides $60,199,000 to be made available for a joint POW/MIA account, $2 million additional funding for the Fisher House, for a total of $12 million, for redirecting $368,800 otherwise…
I have an amendment at the desk.
This amendment provides $60,199,000 to be made available for a joint POW/MIA account, $2 million additional funding for the Fisher House, for a total of $12 million, for redirecting $368,800 otherwise available for advanced procurement of additional F-22 aircraft spare parts. Let me explain--well, some money shifting from the health program and some chemical agents and so forth. In other words, some amendments we couldn't get to in the floor.
The major difference is that I had advanced funding for the F-22 in the bill, and obviously the Senate, in its wisdom, defeated the possibility of the F-22 passing. So what I've done is say, okay, if we're not going to have an F-22, let's at least fund the original 187 airplanes at the fullest robust level. And that's the only difference, actually, that we have between myself and Mr. Young.
So with that, I reserve the balance of my time.
I yield myself 2 minutes.
I certainly agree with what the gentleman said. I have a great concern about air superiority, but the problem is we need 292 votes in the House. The President is hard over on this issue. We need 66 votes in the Senate, and there is no chance of us getting that kind of a vote.
So what I'm trying to do is make sure that that is robustly funded, the ones that are there, because the very thing Mr. Young mentioned, the fact that these airplanes have high maintenance, they cost about $50,000 an hour to maintain, and it's very expensive and very burdensome. So I want to make sure they have the spare parts they need, the engines they need in order so the ones we have, have what they need.
With that, I reserve the balance of my time.
I reserve.
I just want to reiterate what I said.
The political climate has changed substantially. We're in a situation where the President's hard over, and we are doing the best we can to have robust funding for the fleet. That's what I intend to do, or I hope, when this amendment passes, that's what we'll have done.
With that, I reserve the balance of my time.
I yield myself 1 minute.
I will say to the gentleman, as I have said before, we're doing the best we can with what we have. Politically, it's changed so dramatically that we just have no alternative than to make sure that what we have is robustly funded.
With that, I reserve the balance of my time.
I yield back the balance of my time and call for an affirmative vote on the amendment.
Will the gentleman yield?
We're willing to accept the amendment.
Would the gentleman take yes for an answer?
I rise in opposition to the amendment.
I reserve the balance of my time.
I will use my own time.
I have the right to close, and I reserve my time.
I rise in opposition to the amendment. I am trying to figure out what the gentleman is trying to do. This was in the table from the White House, from the administration, the Defense Department. This would delete $160 million in drug interdiction and counter-drug activities which go to Mexico, Afghanistan and Colombia. The Defense Department has the authority to train and equip foreign governments for counter-drug activities since Congress enacted section 1004 of the '91 National Defense Authorization Act. This funding will enable the Department of Defense to provide digital communication equipment to our allies in order to fight the increasing drug trade and execute this funding at the discretion of the Department of Defense.
I mean, I can't imagine anything that's more important to us and our troops in Afghanistan than the amount of money that we're putting in for anti-drug interdiction. So I would urge the Members to vote against this amendment.
I yield back the balance of my time.
If the gentleman would yield, I agree with the amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I rise in opposition to the amendment.
I reserve my time.
I continue to reserve.
Mr. Chairman, I continue to reserve.
I rise in opposition to the amendment. It will strike $80 million out of the Kinetic Energy Interceptor program.
In my estimation, what I said to the Defense Department over and over again, all at once, after all these years of no oversight in the Defense Department, they get nothing from the program. We've got the same thing in the Presidential helicopter. We've got the same thing in many of these other programs. What I'm trying to convince them is they have to have oversight earlier in a research program.
Now, the Under Secretary tells me that in the new research programs he is going to try to have a cost cap or some kind of effectiveness so that they measure it, benchmarks of some sort so that they can measure these earlier.
We may have to adjust this in conference if this amendment doesn't pass, but I ask the Members to vote ``no'' on this amendment, and we will see what we can work out. The program has already spent $1 billion, and we ought to get something out of it.
Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I rise in opposition.
I reserve my time.
I reserve my time.
Let me read again to the gentleman from Arizona. ``With respect to the list of specific programs, projects and activities contained in the tables entitled Explanation of Project Level Adjustment in the report of the Committee on Appropriations of the House of Representatives, those which are considered Congressional earmarks for purpose of rule XXI of the House of Representatives, when awarded for a profit entity, shall be awarded under full and open competition.''
Now, let me tell you, you talk about old awards. KDH was awarded on 14 July 2090, a competitive $39.4 million contract for 65,000 vests for the Army and Air Force. They must be doing a good job or they wouldn't have been made that award.
I went to Iraq. They were short--would the gentleman, I know the staff has a lot of information for him, but I would like him to listen to what I am saying.
I went to Iraq and I found with the First Division a 44,000 shortage of armor. The biggest complaint I get from the troops in the field--I don't know how often you visit the field, Mr. Flake. I don't know how often you come to the people that do this work.
When I go in the factories, their sons and daughters are working in this place. They love the work that they do. They know they are doing work that is under very specific guidelines set by the government.
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You are absolutely right. I am sorry, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Chairman, I want you to know that when I go to visit these plants and I see these people working, whose sons and daughters are fighting, they know how important these vests are. They know how important the work that they do is for the Defense Department.
I remember 20 years ago when I brought defense companies into my district and I had 24 percent unemployment. We didn't have the specifications. We didn't have any small business that could do the work. We didn't get any awards. Once we learned the ISOs, once we were able to perfect it, once we were able to compete--the people of my district are hardworking--we got the unemployment down to below the national level and diversified the economy.
All I can do is bring people in. I can't direct them where to do the business of the Defense Department. They do it on their own. They are the ones that award the contracts. I visit those plants and I see those hardworking people. I see what they do for this great country. Not only the troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan, but the public who work in these defense organizations do everything they can to help this great country.
We put money into the budget. We have an obligation to take care of our district. We have an obligation to take care of this great country. And the people working in my district work hard.
I visit these plants and these bases all the time. I visit the troops and I ask them, What are your biggest problems? The biggest problem is employment, Mr. Chairman. The biggest problem is the fact that the vests are too heavy for Afghanistan. They are working on trying to get vests that aren't so heavy.
I just went out to the hospital the other day. I don't know how often Mr. Flake goes to the hospital. I am sure he goes quite often. Every week he probably goes to the hospital. But I will tell you this. I go to the hospital.
I saw a young fellow who was wounded two years ago. His organs were outside of his body for 10 days. He had a bag for about 6 months. He got rid of the bag. They did another operation.
This goes on continuously. Nobody has done more work for the medical profession, putting earmarks in for breast cancer, ovarian cancer, all of those things, because we feel so strongly about it.
We want a great defense in this country, and the people working in the defense industry do a great job. We don't appropriate this money for anybody except the people that do the work, and if they do the work, they are awarded the contracts. And they are competitive contracts, and it is very clear in our bill, and it doesn't come out of the bill. It has been in title X of the bill ever since I can remember. They have to be competitive if they are pro-profit.
With that, I yield back the balance of my time and ask for a ``no'' vote on the amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I rise in opposition.
I reserve my time.
Let me read to the gentleman, Mr. Chairman:
``With respect to the list of specific programs, projects and activities contained in the tables entitled `Explanation of Project Level Adjustments' in the Report of the Committee on Appropriations of the House of Representatives, those which are considered congressional earmarks for purposes of rule XXI of the House of Representatives, when awarded to a for-profit entity, shall be awarded under full and open competition.''
This amendment would prohibit $2.5 million for AARGM Counter Air Defense Future Capabilities. Now, I know that Members of Congress represent their districts. I know that Arizona gets $9.7 billion in defense. I'm sure that this Member is not worried about the fact that some of this money may go someplace else. I know that's not his reason for this. It's $9.7 billion. It's fifth in the number of defense industries throughout the country. Let me tell the Chair a story:
When I first took over the committee in 1989, I looked at one of the projects that the Navy was working on. They made consoles for all of the ships in the Navy, and they were paid $850,000 for those consoles. We said, You've got to compete them. We had probably 25 to 30 hearings that year. We had 51 trips that we sent the troops on, which is the same as we had this year. We had 37 hearings this year, and we had hundreds and hundreds of meetings.
This one particular program was called the Q-70. We forced them to compete it, and it's a very interesting thing. The Navy went to the Air Force and said, Look, we want you to buy this particular program, and we'll buy it from you. This is so they wouldn't have to compete. Well, the staff found out about it; and in the end, that didn't work and they competed.
That particular console now costs $125,000 per unit. We've saved over $1 billion. They happen to make that in my district. Some people would say that was an earmark. We saved over $1 billion in one contract. On another submarine torpedo contract, we saved over a half a billion dollars.
So small business is the backbone of industry in this country. All the growth has been in small business. These folks are working diligently. They pay taxes. They go home every day, and they know how important it is to do good work. They meet super-specifications from the military. They complain all the time that the specifications are too tough and that competition is too tough.
The first time that I brought defense companies to my district, I had 24 percent unemployment, and we couldn't get any business out of them because none of my companies knew how to do defense work. Now, in Arizona, they obviously know how to do defense work. They've got $9.7 billion worth of business in Arizona. Pennsylvania is not even on the list for the amount of defense work. That's embarrassing with all of the troops that we send. We send more National Guard members to Iraq and Afghanistan than any other National Guard unit in the country. I've lost 19 people in my congressional district, so I feel very strongly about this.
Small business is the backbone. These people that I visit are working hard. They know how tough it is. They know that they meet the specifications, and they bid on these contracts, and they win these contracts, and I'm proud to represent them. With that, I ask for a ``no'' vote.
I yield back the balance of my time.
Let me read again to the Chair.
``With respect to the list of specific programs, projects and activities contained in the tables entitled `Explanation of Project Level Adjustments' in the Report of the Committee on Appropriations of the House of Representatives, those which are considered congressional earmarks for purposes of Rule XXI of the House of Representatives, when awarded to a for-profit entity, shall be awarded under full and open competition.''
In this particular case, this company is doing very well. Reuters gave them a very high rating. But what we look at is the people that work in those places, the awarding of these contracts, the fact that the Defense Department has such high levels of specification that they insist on.
When you go to a defense company, they have all kinds of things that are added that are not true in most places, and small business is the best you can get at doing this kind of work.
During World War II, we produced 83,000 airplanes in 1 year during 1943, 30,000 tanks. There were some abuses, I'm sure. Today, we don't have that capacity. What we worry about, if we don't have small business doing this, it's going to go overseas, and if it goes overseas, we're going to lose those businesses, we'll lose the ability. We continually put ``buy American'' in our provisions, and it turns out that it still goes overseas. Much of the airplane parts are built overseas. Much of the parts--if we weren't careful, some of the body armor would be built overseas because some of the companies would be cheaper.
So we insist they be built in this country. We insist Americans do it. And those Americans are so proud of the work that they do, they have Americans flags there. They have pictures of the troops. They have letters from the troops about how proud of the work they are doing, and the government checks continually to make sure they're doing that kind of work, and they meet those specifications.
With that, I would ask for a ``no'' vote.
I yield back the balance of my time.
I object.
I rise in opposition.
I reserve my time.
I rise in opposition to the amendment. Let me read to the House again--the one Member keeps mentioning over and over again the same thing I'm going to mention.
``With respect to the list of specific programs, projects and activities contained in the tables entitled `Explanation of Project Level Adjustments' in the Report of the Committee on Appropriations of the House of Representatives, those which are considered congressional earmarks for purposes of Rule XX1 of the House of Representatives, when awarded to a for-profit entity, shall be awarded under full and open competition.
As I mentioned, I hope that there is no Member that's trying to protect their own Defense money--$9.7 billion in Arizona--that this is not the reason that there is opposition to these things.
But I don't say that under any circumstances. One thing I say is we put money in for projects. We don't put it in because of any one Representative.
Last year--this PMA is defunct, and this year, we've put the projects in that we thought were worthwhile, not because they're from a Representative, because they don't represent them any more. Those projects are in the budget because Members, themselves, thought they were good projects.
And with that, I ask a ``no'' on the amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I rise in opposition.
I reserve my time.
Mr. Chairman, let me read the policy of the committee. The full committee just brought me the policy which answers the gentleman's question.
Under the policies adopted by the great Appropriations Committee, ``The use of Member earmarks awarded to for-profit entities as a functional equivalent of no-bid contracts is ended.
``In cases where the committee funds an earmark designated for a for- profit entity, the committee includes legislative language requiring the executive branch to nonetheless issue a request for proposal that gives other entities an opportunity to apply and requires the agency to evaluate all bids received and make a decision based on merit. The legislative language included in the bills requires `full and open competition.'
``This gives the original designee an opportunity to be brought to the attention of the agency, but with the possibility that an alternative entity may be selected.''
Now, let me read to the gentleman, Mr. Chairman: ``With respect to the list of specific programs, projects and activities contained in the tables entitled `Explanation of Project Level Adjustments' in the Report of the Committee on Appropriations of the House of Representatives, those which are considered congressional earmarks for purposes of Rule XXI''--this is on page 113 of the bill--``when awarded to a for-profit entity, shall be awarded under full and open competition.''
In this particular case, they strike $1.5 million from hospital maintenance and so forth. Nobody, there is no committee in the Congress--the authorizing committees work on different things. We work on making sure that the medical facilities are clean, making sure that they are taken care of. And Mr. Bishop offers an amendment which wants to make sure that the funding would provide for development, renovation, maintenance, to test the environmental sustainable laboratories, hospitals, and clean rooms for drug development.
I ask for a ``no'' vote.
I yield to the gentleman from Mississippi (Mr. Taylor).
Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time and ask for a ``no'' vote.
I rise in opposition to the motion to recommit.
I've said over and over again, I have been for the F-22. The point is we'd need 292 votes here in order to pass the F-22. We'd need 66 votes in the Senate. The Senate voted 58-40 against it. So we have no alternative.
Now, what I've done is try to robustly fund the program as it is. In other words, they have 187. Let's make sure it's funded adequately. Let's make sure they have what they need. They have a lot of maintenance questions about the F-22. There is no question about it, and so we need to make sure it's robustly funded.
The Presidential helicopter, $3.2 billion we spent on this thing. We ought to get something out of it. One of the Secretaries said to me the other day that they are going to spend another $2 billion if you get it right. I said, Wait a minute; how much do you think you will spend if you have to do another one?
I'm trying to work something out with the White House on that and other issues.
It took a little more time than I expected in this bill today, but I'd appreciate a ``no'' vote on this vote to recommit.
I yield back the balance of my time.