Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume, and hopefully that will be less than 5 minutes. Mr. Chairman, it is my privilege and pleasure to present the fiscal year 2010 Transportation, Housing and Urban Development, and…
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume, and hopefully that will be less than 5 minutes.
Mr. Chairman, it is my privilege and pleasure to present the fiscal year 2010 Transportation, Housing and Urban Development, and Related Agencies Appropriations bill to the House. This bill is the product of many hours of hearings and briefings, always with bipartisan input and excellent subcommittee member participation. I especially would like to recognize the important contributions of my ranking member, Tom Latham, in putting this bill together. And as with any healthy relationship, we do not always agree, but I greatly appreciate his partnership, and his input has made the bill better.
I also want to take a moment to recognize the hard work of staff, specifically on the minority side, Dena Baron, David Gibbons, Allison Fox and Doug Bobbitt; and on the majority side, Kate Hallahan, Laura Hogshead, Dave Napoliello, Lisa Pena, Alex Gillen, Janine Scianna, Andrew Burton and Blair Anderson. They have spent many late nights putting this bill together, and we would not be here today without their dedication.
There has been close communication and coordination between the minority and the majority staffs throughout this process, and the bill is better for that input.
Recognizing that today may be long, my remarks will be brief. This is a nonpartisan bill, as bills related to transportation and housing should be. It invests in our Nation's infrastructure during a transformational period for both the Department of Transportation and the Department of Housing and Urban Development. The bill provides $123.1 billion in total budgetary resources, $48 million below the President's budget request. Within Housing and Urban Development, this bill recognizes that foreclosure rates remain high and the current economic climate and weak job market have increased demand for affordable housing. To that extent, this bill provides $47.1 billion for HUD and targets most of the $1.6 billion increase over the President's budget to programs that the previous administration repeatedly attempted to reduce or zero out and thus have not kept up with the need.
In contrast, Transportation is a budget in flux, largely covering programs that are in transition with major surface and aviation authorizations pending. The authorizing committees of jurisdiction in both the House and Senate have either passed or begun marking up multi- year legislation to reform and extend these important infrastructure programs. In that regard, the bill includes $75.8 billion in transportation infrastructure investments. That is $1.66 billion below the President's request.
Last, I want to note that in supporting the transformations taking place at each Department, this bill has emphasized investments in five key areas: one, building healthy communities with environmentally sustainable solutions; two, maintaining services in rural communities; three, supporting vulnerable populations; four, investing in the national infrastructure; and, five, ensuring transportation safety.
In conclusion, we worked hard to balance many competing needs to produce a bill that reflects the bipartisan needs of transportation and housing. I'm pleased with the product, and I urge Members to support it.
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I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the gentlewoman from California (Ms. Roybal-Allard) for a colloquy.
I thank the Congresswoman from California, and I share her concern about the terrible accident in Los Angeles, as well as her resolve to help prevent further accidents.
It is, in fact, my intention that the funding provided for railroad research and development be available for positive train control research and demonstration projects. I believe PTC is a necessary addition to our national railroad system, and I thank the Congresswoman for her leadership on this issue and keeping it in our attention.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Levin) for a colloquy.
The gentleman is correct. Section 412 will help to ensure compliance with the Buy American Act. Because the intention is not to apply the Buy American Act to new entities, it is consistent with our international obligations.
Will the gentleman yield?
I thank the gentleman for yielding.
To finish this and to allow him to respond in some kind of way, I would give the gentleman additional time, Mr. Chairman.
I just wanted to say that I can remember--and probably, if you think about it a little bit, you can remember, too, because my memory is probably a lot poorer than yours--times when this bill was brought to the floor, and point of order after point of order to the level of practically stripping half the bill away were made by your committee. Well, maybe you weren't the chairman at that particular time, but a few years ago, that sort of thing did happen.
Furthermore, I would just simply say, of the $47 billion, more than $21 billion has been obligated. Those expenditures are going on. That's more than the amount that was intended to be obligated by the end of the 2009 fiscal year. We're already obligating the money into 2010, so it's getting out there pretty quickly. Though, I do have great sympathy for the position that you're taking in that it takes far too long, and I hope the authorizing will take care of that in a new event.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Rodriguez), who is a member of the subcommittee.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the gentlewoman from California (Ms. Woolsey) for a colloquy.
I thank the gentlewoman for bringing this matter to my attention. This is a good project. I support it, and I will be glad to work with the gentlewoman from California on this as it moves into the New Starts process.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Oklahoma (Mr. Boren).
Mr. Chairman, the gentleman from Oklahoma is correct. Section 164 of this bill allows that.
I yield the gentleman 1 additional minute.
I appreciate the gentleman's attention to this issue. I understand that the House authorizing committee is examining this in the context of their multiyear surface transportation reauthorization bill. In the meantime, I will be happy to work with the gentleman from Oklahoma to address this issue as we move forward in this process and conference this bill with the Senate.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the gentlewoman from Texas (Ms. Jackson-Lee).
I yield 15 seconds to the gentlewoman.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from California (Mr. Berman) for a colloquy.
I yield the gentleman 1 additional minute, and would the gentleman yield?
I appreciate the remarks of the two gentlemen about the effects of airport noise on local communities and agree that the FAA has a responsibility to adequately and objectively weigh the concerns of those adversely impacted by nighttime takeoff and landings.
While I can't comment as to the specifics of the Burbank and Van Nuys curfew studies, I agree that the Part 161 process must serve as a credible and objective avenue for evaluating the merits of noise and access restrictions.
Could I inquire how much time there is available?
Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from Iowa (Mr. Braley) for the purposes of a colloquy.
I yield myself 1 minute. I assure the gentleman from Iowa that we will work together with the Federal Rail Administration to implement the 2008 Authorization Act.
I thank the gentleman from Iowa for his kindness and for his hard work and I certainly, again, join him in thanking the very fine staff who worked together very well in crafting this legislation.
It is a good bill. I believe it is a bill that deserves the support of the vast majority of the Members of the Congress.
I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Chair, I have an amendment at the desk.
Mr. Chairman, this is a good amendment that makes a handful of modest changes to the bill. It adds $250,000 for the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to develop safety standards for the incorporation of alternative fuel technologies in vehicles.
It increases the Federal Rail Administration's Railroad Research and Development account by $3 million, which will allow the FRA to perform multiple studies that were authorized in last year's rail safety bill. It provides $1 million for the Federal Aviation Administration to support commercial space activities.
This amendment includes two provisions championed by Representative Cuellar from Texas and included in previous appropriations bills, one that requires the use of energy-efficient bulbs in Federal buildings; and the second, which precludes Federal employees from flying first class.
Last, we have included a technical change to a provision that my ranking member, Mr. Latham, has championed in order to ensure that the Home Equity Conversion Mortgage program can be implemented without Federal subsidy.
I reserve the balance of my time.
Could I inquire how much time there is remaining.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from Tennessee (Mr. Cohen).
Mr. Chairman, I believe this is a good amendment, and I would ask for its passage, and I yield back the balance of my time.
I rise to claim the time in opposition to the amendment.
I rise in opposition to the amendment. The HOPE VI program was launched in 1992 to allow the replacement of affordable housing that had deteriorated and was determined to be uninhabitable. The annual appropriations for about 10 years after that point were $500 million per year or thereabouts.
During that time, 25 to 30 applications were awarded each year, and some of those programs went forward very expeditiously and some of them did not move forward as expeditiously. But in at least the last 5 years, under the previous administration, each year the administration attempted to rescind the appropriation that had been made the previous year and then zero out the program for the year that we were appropriating for, attempting not just to cripple but to terminate the program.
Congress refused, because many communities still had projects for the program, so we still had five or six projects per year, because the appropriation was for several years, at least 5 years, was frozen around $100 million or thereabouts per year. Now, it is my understanding, at least, that what are--typically programs and projects that had been afforded money under the program of HOPE VI took from 3 to 7 years and that would be used to complete. Some took longer.
During the past year, we have been able to get the Department of Housing and Urban Development to spend special time, special effort, through technical assistance and working with the organizations that had the applications in, to go back and make certain that those that had been awarded in 2002 and 2003 were moving forward. They made some serious progress on that, but there is still need for this program.
At this point I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr. Frank), who is the chairman of the Authorizing Committee, because so great is the need that the Authorizing Committee has been working on that.
I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, just last fall this House passed reauthorization legislation for HOPE VI and authorized for the first year of that $750 million. The work of HOPE VI simply is not done. That represents how much the demand is on the part of the membership of the House.
Basically, what I would say here is that this work needs to continue. There is much need for affordable housing in this country. The HOPE VI program is not duplicated by anything else that I know of, and I would urge that the amendment be defeated.
I rise to claim the time in opposition.
First of all, I want to say that this high-speed rail, the program for combined high-speed and intercity passenger rail, that is the most important transportation initiative since the Eisenhower Interstate Highway System, the National Defense Highway System of 50 years ago, which took a generation, basically, to build. It's not going to happen quickly. It's going to take a period of time, there is no question, but it is the most important initiative. There is pent-up demand. There is a huge demand.
The first preapplication period for this bill brought in $100 billion of applications for $8 billion that was in place there. If we do not add significantly to that, as this bill does do, by adding $4 billion to the $8 billion that is already there, then people will lose faith or wonder, Are we in this seriously? Are we going to do high-speed and intercity passenger rail, as had been proposed and put forward in the recovery bill earlier or aren't we intending to do that?
I think we must keep this momentum going, for if we lose it, then that would be a very bad thing to have happen. There are applications for more than 40 States in the union totaling a hundred billion dollars. Some of those are going to be in construction later this year or early next year. The actual final applications are due for the smaller projects within a month. And within 2 months after that, they are supposed to be in awards. So they are expected to be providing jobs next year.
So I think that that is a very appropriate way to keep our public momentum going toward passenger and intercity rail, high speed and intercity passenger rail.
I reserve the balance of my time.
How much time is left now?
I yield 1\1/2\ minutes to the gentlewoman from Florida (Ms. Corrine Brown).
I yield 1\1/4\ minutes to the gentlewoman from Connecticut (Ms. DeLauro).
As the gentleman understands, the $4 billion is available in this fiscal year for which we're appropriating only for high-speed rail. And I hope that it will remain there.
I urge the defeat of the amendment so that we will keep the momentum up and keep the building, the development of high-speed rail moving forward as fast as possible.
Will the gentleman yield?
I thank the gentleman for yielding.
I think the gentleman has found a very appropriate amendment. It takes a small amount of money from a very large program to put into a program that we have supported and I have supported strongly. I am perfectly willing to accept the gentleman's amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I claim the time in opposition, but I am not opposed.
In fact, I am willing to accept the gentleman's amendment.
I'm happy to yield.
Mr. Chairman, I claim the time in opposition.
Mr. Chairman, the amendment that has been offered prohibits the implementation of the New York airspace design which FAA has worked on now for about 10 years, and it would appear from the gentleman's language that it is on the basis of airport noise, not the overhead noise, but rather the ground noise. Well, with airplanes nowadays, each new sequence of airplanes is quieter than they were in the past, at all levels and more efficient at all levels, whether they're flying high or low or on the ground than had been previously the case. But that is only one point here.
Many parts of this country have completed the redesign of the airspace in their regions over the last several years. And why is that important? Well, it is important because the national airspace is now carrying 750 million passengers per year and is expected to be increasing by 50 percent between now and 2025. Today, already, 40 percent of all flight delays in the national airspace system are part of the New York area flights, both incoming and outgoing, which then causes backups all over the country.
We know we are approaching gridlock in our air traffic control system, which is based on a ground-based sight by radar system which is technologically a half century old. It is really old technology. We know we need to switch to a network satellite-based system for traffic control much more quickly than the present estimate of the year 2025.
To do that, we must finish airspace redesign all over the Nation, but particularly because of the congestion, the extensive congestion in the New York area, particularly in the New York area. So the space design and modern satellite-based traffic control allows planes to fly closer together, higher up, on a direct path, save energy in the process, run quieter because they can stay higher longer and be on the ground less than previously was the case.
The added capacity is absolutely necessary and will finally reduce delays in this most congested area by allowing the redesign benefits to accrue from environmental purposes, reducing emissions. Benefits are provided to the controllers because the new technology increases the flexibility in routing and helps balance their workload, and this amendment would delay the removal of congestion. It would prolong the use of outdated, inefficient technology. It would put noise reduction that is in the design process at bay, and it would delay the safe expansion of our air traffic travel capacity.
We have to move on in this 21st century and develop the fully new technology. This amendment should be defeated.
I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 1\1/2\ minutes to the gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Costello) who is the chairman of the Aviation Subcommittee of Transportation and Infrastructure.
Mr. Chairman, I claim the time in opposition.
Mr. Chairman, the gentlewoman from Tennessee is quite correct. I will claim that an across-the-board cut of the sort that has been proposed in this amendment is the worst possible way that one can do this sort of thing.
In my opening remarks, I pointed out that this legislation has some $47 billion of appropriation for housing programs and that it's above the President's request in that area because we are trying to fill the gap for what has happened over the last 8 years of cuts in so many of the housing investment programs. And let me just give you an example of this.
One of the points I made in the opening was that one of the things we were particularly trying to do in the very good housing parts of this legislation was to support vulnerable populations. And so in replacement of several years, 5 years in a row of cuts in elder housing and in disabled housing, in tenant- and project-based assistance in our PHA's major programs, we didn't always allow the cuts that the administration had applied and had requested, and we usually, in fact, didn't do that because people in here are concerned about what's going on in the matter of people's lives. However, the cuts were made.
And I would like to just point out that if you go back to the year 2001 and use a 1 percent, a 1 percent per year inflationary factor to each of those housing program investments that we would make, that would bring you to a point $1.5 billion above where the present legislation proposes in this bill.
So what I'm saying there is that an across-the-board cut of the sort that has been suggested by the gentlewoman from Tennessee simply cuts those places that we particularly wanted to put money into in order to fill the gap that has been growing over a period of years, and it's the wrong thing to do.
It would hurt our elders. It would hurt our people who are in affordable housing in either the tenant- or the project-based systems. It would cut Hope VI. It would cut the program for housing for people with AIDS, the elder and disabled housing and CDBG. All of those were programs that were deliberately reduced year after year or recommendations made for a reduction, and, in fact, over time had been reduced substantially compared with the '01 appropriation.
So this has particularly bad effects on those programs, particularly the housing programs that have been well-funded in the bill that we have before us.
I reserve the balance of my time.
I would just reiterate that while I'm not in favor of cutting the bill that we have put forward, I think it is a good bill, that this is by far the worst way that you could possibly do that, and I would urge the defeat of the amendment.
I yield back the balance of my time.
I claim the time in opposition, though I am not opposed to it and I will not oppose it.
I will yield.
I yield back.
Mr. Chairman, I claim time in opposition.
Well, it sounds so simple, only 9\1/2\ months ago, but in fact, of course, the funding level that has been proposed here would take this bill back to the appropriated level for the fiscal year 2008. We're talking about the year 2010. We're talking about a year starting several months from now and going forward a year, and he's talking about 9\1/2\ months ago being the end of that fiscal year, the end of the 2008 fiscal year, and that was funding the year prior to that. So it is really taking a step backward 2 years in the funding level.
As everybody knows, while we have had a bad economy, the inflation level has stayed relatively low--that's true--but this kind of a funding level, taking $20 billion out of this appropriation, then has the effect of cutting a huge number of programs by an average of 16 percent for the next fiscal year. It is an unsustainable number for the kinds of efforts that one needs to have in housing. As I've indicated, for housing, there is growth in this. I agree there is growth in this bill.
On the transportation side, the major point of growth is in the high- speed rail program. The high-speed rail program is putting forward money that actually will extend out over a series of years. It doesn't all happen in the first year by any means at all. We all know that. It creates jobs over a period of time in the building of that infrastructure.
In the case of housing, again, if one tries to cut the housing programs, it will be particularly bad for vulnerable populations, and we should not do that.
I oppose the amendment, and I reserve the balance of my time.
There is no direction in the amendment, itself. It merely says cut the total expenditure by $20 billion, which is one-sixth of the sum total of the legislation. All I can do is say, if one were to do that by one-sixth of the appropriation for affordable housing, for our tenant- and project-based systems, we would be putting out 400,000 families. Yes, it's bad, but it's those low-income families who are probably in the worst shape and in the most needy shape of all. I'm not sure that we want to do that. I certainly don't want to see that happen, and I hope the majority will not want to see that happen.
Let me just close by urging a ``no'' vote on this amendment. It is a slash-and-burn kind of an amendment.
I claim time in opposition.
Mr. Chairman, this amendment is $13 billion. Therefore, compared with what I call ``slash and burn,'' this is slash and burn a little bit less than the previous one. Generally, there is no direction as to how one might do it, and I'm left with the question of what kinds of impacts this one might have.
I would point out that it would have an impact of now, not the 16 percent but only an 11 or 12 percent cut--roughly 11, I guess it would be--on all of our transit programs, on the public transportation programs that we fund and that move people around in as efficient a way as they possibly can. It would have a similar effect on all of our air traffic safety programs, on all of the efforts that we have to make in order to have our airports and our air traffic controller systems function appropriately. All of those things come from this kind of an amendment. This would take us back to a freeze of the '09 levels, not the '08 levels, which was the previous one, but it would be a freeze at the '09 levels.
I oppose the amendment. I urge defeat of the amendment.
I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, the gentleman has just made an argument and continues to make an argument about the level of debt.
In 1980, when President Carter left office, the national debt of the country was about $1 trillion. Twelve years later, the debt of the country had reached $4 trillion. It had quadrupled. It had quadrupled in those 12 years. In the following 8 years, the debt went up again by another $1.4 trillion, so that at the end of President Clinton's term, the debt had gone up about one-third more, just slightly more than one- third more. Then during the Presidency of the previous President, we saw the debt go from $5.4 trillion to $10.5 trillion as he left office. Then it went up almost double in just an 8-year period.
Now there is concern since we have been in a recession for more than a year now, the first five quarters of which were clearly in the previous administration with the housing crisis, a deep recession with severe losses of jobs throughout the last year. They're continuing. This is a deep recession, but this is not a time to be cutting our most vulnerable people through this sort of action. This action is the wrong action to take. We will grow out of this over time. I urge defeat of the amendment.
I yield back my time.
Mr. Chairman, I rise in opposition to the amendment.
I thank the gentleman for his amendment. The gentleman's amendment is actually slash-and-burn sort of squared, essentially, because it puts the whole pressure of the reduction--it's not as large a dollar reduction--but it is all focused deliberately and directly upon discretionary expenditure.
And of course, when the gentleman points out that he is strongly in favor of a lot of the programs here, I'm sure that there are a few of those programs that are discretionary programs, perhaps not all of them, though I suspect that there are a fair number of programs that he doesn't particularly like and that are mandatory programs as well.
So, again, we have here a very large cut in the budget that is proposed by taking 25 percent out of the discretionary programs, and the arguments would only be repetitious, and I don't mean to take people's time.
I reserve the balance of my time.
We have in this legislation and in the Recovery Act earlier this year, we have added enormous additional responsibilities to both the Secretary of Transportation, our good former colleague, very popular former colleague, now-Secretary Ray LaHood, in order to administer those properly and do what they are told to do under the Recovery Act, to get all of those moneys out and moving. For instance, they have gotten some 300 applications thereabouts for the high-speed rail moneys, the high-speed rail and inner city passenger rail programs. You've got to have people to look at those programs, to assess them, to decide which ones are the better ones, to move the paperwork so that we will be able to actually have those projects out where they're going to get people to work as quickly as it's possible to do.
And the same thing is true for the Federal Rail Administration. The Secretary's office has certain key responsibilities added to his. It is not nearly as much as the increase of responsibilities that has been given to the Federal Rail Administration, which is really where the first monitoring and the first assessment and grading of all of the projects that have come in is. It's an enormous program that is there, but it is part of what was expected to have to happen in order to make the high-speed rail and inner city passenger rail programs work.
So I have no apology whatsoever for additional administrative assistance for making those things happen. If we
hadn't done that, we would have been killing the programs before they even could even get started, and that was not the purpose of the American Recovery Act in the first place.
And again, I reserve the balance of my time.
How much time do I have?
Well, I will simply say on that one that the President actually proposed a totally new program which had not been authorized at the $250 million level. We, instead, decided because it was not authorized that we would leave it to authorization, and it was somewhat similar. It was in some ways an expansion of the HOPE VI program and alteration of the HOPE VI program, he would say quite significant alteration of that program, for a $250 million program.
Instead, we put that money that he had requested into the HOPE VI, which we had in this Chamber, perhaps without the gentleman's vote, we had reauthorized last fall but hadn't been acted upon by the Senate. It will be, again, acted upon by the House later this year, and there will be a reauthorization, I would guess, within this year for the HOPE VI program, and that's where the money has been placed.
I yield back my time.
Mr. Chairman, I claim time in opposition, though I am not opposed.
I would yield to the gentleman.
I yield back the balance of my time.
I thank the gentleman for yielding, and I thank you for your careful defense of the job that you do as a Representative there for New Castle, Pennsylvania.
I asked for the time because just a few minutes ago the gentleman from Arizona had spoken about the distribution of earmarks and how it seems to favor certain Members or committees, and I wandered over to see, and I suspect that I and my ranking member are in trouble for the nature of that chart.
But, as a part of your argument, the gentleman's argument, the gentleman mentioned that maybe the Federal agencies can do a better job of distributing funding more equitably. However, one really ought to look a little bit at what has been the historical record and some fairly recent historical record.
In fiscal 2007, we included no earmarks in this bill.
I thank the gentleman. That was very kind of you.
In fiscal 2007, we included no earmarks in this bill and gave complete discretion to the Secretary of Transportation. Remember, that was the year that the majority tipped, but we still had the previous President in place. The result of that was that the Secretary of Transportation distributed over $1 billion of discretionary money to five cities, to five places, five single places.
Would the gentleman yield another 30 seconds?
Well, if the gentleman would place all the earmarks funded in this bill in '08 or '09 on a map and show where those had actually gone, you'd find that the earmarks have been spread much more widely, much more evenly among all 50 States and the territories than you would find by the bureaucrats.
Mr. Chairman, I claim the time in opposition.
Mr. Chairman, I rise in opposition to the amendment. Let me make a few remarks about the general process and then about this amendment, and then maybe I will even have a little bit more time.
As indicated in the report to this bill, the funding for earmarks on the Transportation and HUD appropriations bill in 2010 has been cut to 50 percent of the 2006 levels. I would remind the gentleman that in the 2006 budget there was both a Republican majority in both branches and the President of the United States as well.
Also, this year, Chairman Obey introduced new requirements to continue our effort to ensure that the appropriations process is open, transparent and worthy of the public's trust. As part of that, the committee vetted each request with the agency under whose jurisdiction an earmark would fall. Also, each request has been publicly disclosed on Members' Web sites so everyone can know exactly what has been asked by every Member and what ones are being funded.
I oppose the particular amendment here because the funds here, the $2 million of funds, are being used to replace Doyle Drive with a new parkway connecting the Golden Gate Bridge and the Golden Gate National Recreation Area. Federal funds would be used for project design work and the right-of-way acquisition. Doyle Drive is the only link between the San Francisco peninsula and Northern California counties, and is, therefore, designated as a postdisaster recovery route.
Doyle Drive was built the year I was born and is reaching the end of its useful life. The lack of shoulders and the absence of a dividing median create dangerous operating conditions and often result in serious accidents. The drive is ranked as the fifth-worst bridge in the Nation and the worst in California on the measure of structural insufficiency. 100,000 drivers, 18,000 transit riders use that Doyle Drive every day. So for those reasons I think this is a very important earmark.
Then I would like to comment, and I oppose, again, the amendment. I would like then to use the rest of my time to point out something that I did a little bit earlier, which was to point out that at the end of the Carter administration there was $1 trillion of national debt. That took us from the Presidency of President Washington all the way 190 years to 1980 to get $1 trillion of national debt. Twelve years later, the national debt was over $4 trillion, more than four times, more than quadrupled in that 12 years. That's the 12 years of the greatest debt increase in the history of the country by any percentage-wise.
In the Presidency of President Clinton, the debt went up another one- third, 33 percent, in that 8 years which is quite modest compared to what it then went up during the previous administration, the years from 2001 through 2009. The debt during that period went up from $5.3 trillion--I think maybe I said 5.4 the last time I made this, hadn't quite gone down that much--but in any case, it's gone up over $10 trillion by the end of the Bush administration. So that's another doubling, the largest actual number of dollars of debt increase in trillions of any kind but not the largest percentage. This was only a doubling there.
And where the gentleman gets the idea that the debt will be a tripling under the present President, I cannot imagine. It will take at least seven more years for us to have any idea what the level of the debt will be at the end of that time. He might be surprised, we might all be surprised that it will be a good deal more modest than the kinds of numbers that the gentleman is using today.
I would be happy to yield.
I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve a point of order.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve a point of order on the motion.
I do not. I withdraw my point of order.
Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to the motion.
Mr. Speaker, I think it's quite ironic that the amendment that's being offered is one to reduce the funding and conform the funding to the President's request, but it's exactly what the now minority has done year after year in rubber-stamping the President's position. That's what's so ironic about it.
We, on the other hand, have taken an independent view with a very good subcommittee, with some Members on the minority side who have joined us on some of this and, in fact, have taken a position substantially in support of the idea which is at the core of this legislation that we are doing something more for vulnerable populations.
Virtually everything that has been removed in reductions from this bill is in those things, but not all of them, virtually all, in the area of assistance for vulnerable populations. Let me just go down the list.
We have section 8, tenant-based housing and section 8 project-based housing, a total of a $798 million reduction, all of them back to the President's requests. But the needs got greater from when the requests were made because of what is happening, because there are more homeless, because there are more people out of work than there were at the time the request was made, in all good faith.
The Native American Block Grant for the poorest of the poor is reduced by $105 million.
Elder housing, which we had raised by $235 million, and the housing for the disabled people, which we had raised by $100 million, which, by the way, all of this was taken through the full Appropriations Committee and approved by the Appropriations Committee and sent to the floor.
Homeless assistance has been reduced by $56 million.
The public housing operating fund has been reduced by $200 million.
The public housing authority's capital fund, reduced by $256 million.
The housing for people with AIDS, reduced by $40 million.
The HOME Program for affordable housing, rental housing, as well as first-time homeownership is reduced by $175 million. All of these to conform with the President's number.
Our committee and our Members feel very strongly that those vulnerable populations need a little bit more under the circumstances that we are dealing with at the present time, so we put it in, and that's the way we voted today.
Now, beyond that, we have had a strong vote on the issue of high- speed rail and the items related to it, a vote which was earlier today, 136 for an amendment to strike the very thing that is backing this motion to 284 against, including 40 Members from the minority side who voted with the majority on that issue.
Beyond that, we have the amendment which reduces the FAA's safety positions in two different areas; one by removing 150 aviation inspectors, which we went above the President's request, I think quite legitimately, for aviation safety, and also 35 additional people that we put in for rail safety. We've had some rail problems. We believe that there are problems that needed to be dealt with.
So all of those things have been done. I think we should keep exactly what we have done, the vote before, and reject this motion to recommit.
I yield time to the gentleman from Wisconsin.