I thank the gentleman for the time. First of all, I'd like to congratulate Chairman Wolf and Ranking Member Fattah for their work, but especially for their continued desire to work together, to work in a bipartisan fashion to bring about…
I thank the gentleman for the time.
First of all, I'd like to congratulate Chairman Wolf and Ranking Member Fattah for their work, but especially for their continued desire to work together, to work in a bipartisan fashion to bring about this bill that's on the floor today.
Now, for those of us on our side, we know that there are folks on the other side that speak only about budget cuts, but when it comes to Chairman Wolf, there is a desire to balance the desire of having those budget cuts along with making sure that these bills in fact accomplish servicing the American people.
So I stand ready with the ranking member to be supportive of this bill,
with the understanding that there are two things that have to happen that are very serious to that final vote. One of them is a continued commitment that as this process goes along we will work to make the bill better than it is now, and that we will work to remedy those situations that exist within the bill now that need to be taken care of.
Secondly, that in the large and, perhaps, vast amendment process that we will have--which is a good sign of being able to have this kind of an open rule--the bill doesn't get brought back to a situation where some of us cannot be supportive of it. I single out, for instance, just two agencies that need betterment, and not necessarily to be destroyed. That's the Census Bureau and the Legal Services Corporation. Both of those agencies serve a vital purpose in our society. They come under heavy attack on so many occasions. I think it's important to know that many of us will be looking to make sure that we don't step back even further than the bill speaks to now on these two agencies, and as I said before, that we work jointly to make the bill even better than it is today, but understanding fully the work that Chairman Wolf and Ranking Member Fattah have done during this period of time is important to me and important to many members of this committee, and of the whole House.
I move to strike the last word.
I don't think the issue here should be looked at as whether or not the EDA needs more help. It's why, again, we are bashing the Census Bureau. I really think that it's surprising that we would do it on this side, since we will note for the next many hours that there's plenty of folks on that side that will want to do that.
When I first got on this subcommittee years ago and I had the privilege of being ranking member to Chairman Rogers and then ranking member to Chairman Wolf, I could never figure out what the attack was on the Census Bureau. Then it dawned on me--and I may be totally wrong--that some folks would just like the Census Bureau to do just enough, meaning if you count yourself, that's fine; but if you have to go out and do extra dollars to count folks who ordinarily may not count themselves, then that's not good for some folks and the results may be something they don't want to see. That's the only explanation I could come up with for the fact that--as we will see in the next hours--there will be many desires to cut the Census Bureau and, in some cases, get rid of the whole department.
What we need to know and remind ourselves is that there's probably very few vital functions of agencies like the Census Bureau that are more important than this one. Plans, policies, redistricting, other decisions in this country are based on that count that takes place every 10 years. Unlike other things we do in this Congress and in this country, this is a constitutional mandate, to count the people amongst the States, and every 10 years the Census Bureau gears up for it.
We have found in the past that when we make cuts to the Census Bureau, it ended costing us more money later when we tried to get back some of that money. And then States that may be supportive now of cuts later run to us and say, No, we need a better count; we need a fairer count; we need a count that will make my State show the true growth in population.
So I suspect at the end of today when this vote is taken, there will be a mass vote, as has been in the past, for this amendment. But I really think it is totally foolish to continuously bash the Census Bureau and continuously desire not to have a proper count in this country. It is a vital issue and it's one that we should continue to protect. That's why I would be one of the few voting against this amendment.
I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
Mr. Chairman, I would like to echo the comments made by the ranking member, Mr. Fattah.
I remember the days I worked very closely with Chairman Wolf, and at that time also with the Subcommittee Chairman Rogers, as their ranking member, and it was always understood that the Legal Services Corporation was a bipartisan effort. In other words, we understood the need for it. And as the chairman has said, we understood the need to protect this program.
There were always discussions as to how much money we should allocate it, but there was never a desire to get rid of it. There was even discussion tonight not only of what a waste of money this program is, but also perhaps doing away with it totally. This really strikes at something much deeper than just this particular amendment. And it is, as Mr. Fattah has
said, Where are we going when we believe that services as essential as legal services should not be made available to people who cannot afford any other access?
We keep mentioning--and maybe people think that some of us are trying to be funny--that Richard Nixon understood then the need for this program to exist, and President Nixon understood the need for it to grow to a point where it could be that access point for people.
So I just hope that both Mr. Fattah and I are correct, that this will not get the support that some people think it will get; that, in fact, this amendment will be defeated. And one of the best messages we could send tonight, as we deliberate, is that in the desire to cut the budget, that we cannot just throw away every gain we've made over this last generation. This is one of the most important programs we have, and we should maintain it.
Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
I move to strike the last word.
I rise to oppose the amendment and, in many ways, agree with Chairman Wolf.
When you present an across-the-board cut, it always sounds good. And, yes, I will say we've worked diligently on this bill, and it's been many months in putting it together.
But what's interesting in it is that every time you speak about an across-the-board cut, people get excited, and they say, Boy, that sounds good. But these days, those cuts don't hold the same strength that they used to hold in the past because in the past, there were times--and I was part of it, and so were many people on that side--when we felt that we had to grow some accounts.
So one could argue that a 1 percent or a 2 percent or a whatever percent cut taking place made sense. But it's interesting to note now-- and I wonder how many people who would present these amendments know that these budgets, these bills that come before you, have been cut dramatically already. Last year and this year, they've been cut dramatically. The allocations given to the subcommittees to put together these bills are not the allocations of the past. There isn't a single bill on the floor--perhaps Defense, the only exception--that is really growing the budget. On the contrary, it's a cut and a cut and a cut.
So the bigger question is, at what point does it end? At what point do we feel that we don't need a government, that we don't need a budget? Will zero be satisfactory to people who want to cut? Zero, not spend a single penny in the Federal Government? This bill, as presented by Mr. Fattah, by Chairman
Wolf, by the leaders of this subcommittee and this committee, is not a bloated bill. It is a streamlined bill. So it's easy to stand up and say, another 1 percent, another 3 percent, another 5 percent. But where does it end?
At what point do we say that we have a responsibility to fund a government, understanding what people are living through and understanding what we must do for the American people?
But we can't destroy every agency, and that's what these cuts do.