Mr. President, let me join with the Senator from Tennessee in applauding an action that ultimately now will be taken by the Senate and therefore by the Congress to add substantially to an energy policy in this country that begins us down…
Mr. President, let me join with the Senator from Tennessee in applauding an action that ultimately now will be taken by the Senate and therefore by the Congress to add substantially to an energy policy in this country that begins us down the road in a long march toward a higher degree of energy independence.
I have been in the Congress 27 years. I have always supported, up until this year, leaving CAFE or fleet standards for efficiency alone.
I got here in 1980. We had just come out of the 1970s oil crisis. We had put policy in place that was helping transform the automobile industry in our country to a more efficient fleet average. But over the course of the last 5 years, I have seen it become increasingly important that we focus on every aspect of energy in our country.
I used to be somewhat selective in what ought to be produced versus what ought not be, where we ought to put our incentives, where we ought to put our tax dollars to improve availability in the marketplace. But it became increasingly obvious to me that just a few miles per gallon per automobile in this country could make all the difference in the world.
We now import $1 billion a day in oil, approximately; $360 billion of America's money goes overseas to foreign nations which are, at best, indifferent to our interests, and at worst, using the term that I call ``petronationalism,'' use the power of their energy not only to squeeze us, but then they take that money and reinvest in our country or invest somewhere else, in many instances not in our interests.
I have always been frustrated that a great nation such as ours could not move toward energy independence, could not set as a goal that by a certain time our country could and would become energy independent in all sectors if we did the following things and if we began to drive public policy in that direction. So this spring, Senator Byron Dorgan of North Dakota and I did something I had never done before: We introduced legislation for a mandatory 4-percent change in fleet efficiencies on an annual basis. Well, you would have thought the roof caved in.
The automobile industry came to me wringing their hands and saying: We simply cannot do that. You have always been with us.
I said: Yes, that is right. In 27 years, I have not changed, frankly, and in 27 years you have not changed, and it is time we do change a little bit.
Now there are a lot of new efficiencies coming on out there, from hybrids to flex vehicles, and hopefully we are going to see a hydrogen fuel cell car on the market in a very short period of time that will begin to move its way in the market. So the automobile industry deserves a lot of credit for beginning to recognize the need to change what we use to drive America's transportation fleet.
But the opportunity to change the industry, to cause them to move down that road in a discernable and a direct way because it is the public policy of this country, is something I decided to become a part of. I believe it was with the introduction of that bill, with Senator Dorgan and I working together, that we got those kinds of things out of the Commerce Committee and into the Energy bill that passed the Senate. And that was a strong energy bill. It had all of the right blends and mixes in it to begin to create a cleaner energy consumptive world for us and at the same time a more independent and a more efficient world.
Today's vote was critical. We are going to send an energy bill to the President in relatively short order, I hope, that has a lot of those things in it and that causes America's transportation fleet to move in the right direction.
Mr. President, $3 dollars a gallon for gas is coming out of the hip pockets of moms and dads in this country today, and if that pace continues to go up, it is going to do more to change--I think in a negative way--the American economy than anything we have seen. We ought to be all about helping the average American change that equation, and I think efficiencies do that. Conservation is critical as a component of a total energy package because that which you save you do not have to produce. Just a couple of miles to the gallon across America's transportation fleet is millions and millions of barrels of oil. That is what we ought to be about. It will be a cleaner fleet and a fleet that will produce less carbon into the atmosphere.
All of us are concerned about greenhouse gasses and climate change, and efficiencies and new technologies, in my opinion, are the best direction to lead us to accomplish a cleaner world, and today a critical vote occurred that will allow us to do that.
Amendment No. 3666
Mr. President, may I make an inquiry?
Are there any more who wish to debate the Tester amendment prior to us moving to--
All right.
I ask unanimous consent that the pending amendment, the Tester amendment, be set aside and amendment 3640 be called up.
I will be happy to yield.
Mr. President, earlier on, we thought we had a 40-minute time agreement. We are going to start the debate on this amendment. Some of our colleagues want to discuss it. With that in mind, let me open the debate on amendment No. 3640, an amendment we think is critical to America's farmers and ranchers and the value of private property.
Ever since the Supreme Court in 2005 decided on the Kelo decision, I have felt and many others have felt, including the American Farm Bureau, that America's farmers' and ranchers' property is now at a greater risk today than ever before by the issuance of eminent domain, or the broadening of the power of Government as it relates to that issue.
I debated this amendment earlier. Several of my colleagues are on the floor and want to debate this amendment. Let me now turn to my colleague from Colorado, the senior Senator, Mr. Allard, and yield to him 10 minutes for the purpose of debate on this amendment.
We are operating under an open time agreement. With that in mind, I yield 10 minutes to our agricultural counsel from the great State of Kansas, Senator Brownback.
I said ``counsel.''
Madam President, it is important for my colleagues to understand this is a private property rights debate. For some who have said, well, this is in the jurisdiction of the Judiciary Committee--and I understand the other side is going to ask for a 60-vote threshold-- one of the reasons we are on the floor in a post-Kelo decision environment is because things are beginning to happen out there that frustrate all of us.
My colleague from Kansas echoes the sentiment of the American Farm Bureau and their president, speaking out about the risk now that open space property, farming property, ranching property has as a result of Kelo. Some would say on the floor it doesn't appear to be a problem. Let me suggest it is.
In Scattaway, NJ, a family protested its eviction from their 75-acre farm the town had seized under eminent domain for an open space designation. That happened in New Jersey. In Woodland, CA, in Yolo County, CA, the board of supervisors decided to seize a large area of farmland using eminent domain and declared the property open space. So here a government entity steps in and says: We are going to take open space and make it open space and we are going to use our power to do that--no willing seller, no willing buyer, a new shaping of eminent domain.
Eminent domain, as we knew it pre-Kelo, said, public use for a legitimate public use, and that usually almost always fell into rights of way, roads, power lines, and those kinds of things where, for the public good, access was being denied.
Kelo tipped that upside down.
New Brunswick, NJ. New Brunswick moved forward to condemn, using its power of eminent domain, a 104-acre farm. Open space again. Telluride, CO. The senior Senator from Colorado was on the floor supporting our amendment. The town decided to use its power of eminent domain to take about 570 acres of an 800-acre ranch and designate the property as open space. Once again, the power is being used.
That is why America's farmers and ranchers and America's agricultural organizations that represent them grow increasingly alarmed.
Sussex County, NJ. The State of New Jersey used its power of eminent domain to take 17 acres of working agricultural property to create a wetlands. Open space again.
Matthews, NC. York County, PA. York County, PA, was the one I used as I introduced this amendment a couple days ago, where the family fought, invested lots of money, and took on the county. As a result, two county supervisors were defeated in the election because they were going after private property for an open space designation, and the county said: Oh, no, you don't; you are out. Ultimately, the family won but at great expense defending their right of private property.
That is why the American Farm Bureau has said this is a high priority for us.
Madam President, Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, dissenting in Kelo v. the City of New London, which has tipped this eminent domain issue upside down, said this in her dissenting views, and it is so clear today the vision of this justice.
The outfall from this decision will not be random. The
beneficiaries are likely to be those citizens with
disproportionate influence and power in the political
process, including large corporations and development firms.
As for the victims, the government now has license to
transfer property from those with fewer resources to those
with more.
She spoke with great wisdom, particularly about the victims--those are the property owners--because that is exactly what is happening out there.
Is open space necessary? You bet it is. Does open space have value? You bet it does. There is no question in an urbanizing environment, parks and parkland and open space is critical. Why not willing seller/ willing buyer? Why not go into the market as a city that has taxing power or a county that has taxing power ought to do and say, you know, we are going to raise a bit to go out and buy a piece of open property, instead of taking it? Now, yes, they compensate in eminent domain, but they basically establish the price. They do not have to compete.
So Kelo tipped us upside down, because in New London, as we remember, the city used their right to take away private property and gave it to a private developer because there was someone who was holding up a development. They were trying to hold onto their land. This is a critical private property rights debate and so very necessary.
I mentioned the family in Pennsylvania. For over 3 years, in Pennsylvania, that family fought their local government. How do you do it? You hire attorneys. Attorneys are expensive. You do the battle, you set up the legal case, because the county--in this instance the county government--wanted to take the land. As I mentioned, it didn't sit well with the citizens. Most citizens respect the right of private property. Most citizens understand that under our Constitution, there is a legitimate purpose for taking, and it was called eminent domain when the public good and the public value was clear.
That is the issue. It is quite simple. Now, is it a judiciary issue? Yes, it is. It is also an agricultural, farm bill issue. The reason I am on the floor with the amendment is because this taking is beginning to accelerate across our Nation and our Judiciary Committee has done nothing, to date, to reshape the Kelo decision, to protect the rights of the private property owner beyond the legitimate public good, and it is an important thing we do. That is why we are speaking out at this moment, and that is why it is important.
I yield to the chairman of the Senate Ag Committee.
Sure.
It is quite simple.
Our amendment speaks to open space versus open space.
I do not disagree with your interpretation of the current amendment.
Well, I would like to have gone further than that. The concern we had, and what appears to be most visible today in the new use of Kelo, is open space for open space. Municipalities and counties are stepping out--with the cases I gave, Mr. Chairman--and saying that for purposes of parks, we find this is a new tool. Historically, parks were willing seller/willing buyer, and wetlands, and now other broader interpretations of ``public good.''
But Kelo, being specific and relating to private government entities taking property for private development, we do not speak to that. We think it is a broader issue that the judiciary ought to speak to.
Oh, I disagree totally.
Madam President, let me respond. When the Senator says we don't reach the Kelo decision, we reach a portion of the Kelo decision that is now most frequently impacting farms and ranches, and that is open space for open space.
Municipalities and counties and in one instance, as I cited, a State, prior to Kelo, were not using these powers of eminent domain to acquire open space. They were going out and buying it in the market and competing for it. Now they are. So Kelo, in fact, is being used for this purpose. That is why we are addressing this.
If it were open and currently operating farmland and/or pasture land.
For agricultural purposes, and they did that for open space purposes, there would obviously, if this were law today, be a great debate in that community. That community would say, you cannot use this power and put our educational monies at risk.
We say, yes, Government monies, Federal Government monies. So it would clearly have a dampening effect. You and I both know, because we have been at those different levels of government, that there are thresholds by which a planning and zoning entity of a county or a municipality can and cannot operate. Would it have a chilling effect? Yes. It would stop them from doing that. That is the intent. Would it put the educational money in jeopardy? No, it wouldn't because they wouldn't put it in jeopardy.
You can use scare tactics, you can create, if you will, stalking kinds of arguments. But you and I both know, in practicality, they are not going to put those other values at risk. Sewage and water money and all of the kinds of other things that you and I work hard to get for our communities--that is not going to be put at risk because what is going to happen is they are going to quit using the Kelo decision. They are going to quit using eminent domain in its broadest sense until this Congress gets back in the business of shaping it again. That is why we are doing what we are doing here.
The Senator knows as well as I do that, with wetlands, with endangered species, you name it, the Federal Government, by law, by statute, by regulation, by Clean Water Act, does a lot of things. It is hard to deny that we do because local entities operate under those laws. We are simply asking local entities, in their exercise of eminent domain, to operate within the law. This amendment, broadly supported by American agriculture for fear of taking of their land, and by the livestock industry, and by the Public Land Council and others, says: No, don't do that.
You can point out, if you will, those kinds of arguments. But they are hollow in the sense that we constantly do that, and we have done that. Local governments operate under both local jurisdiction, local law, State and Federal law. So I do not see that as a problem. It can be argued, but it is not precedent setting in any sense of the word.
Yes.
I will not disagree with the Senator. I believe the taking of a person's wealth--and you and I in farm and ranch company know the assets of a farmer and rancher are tied in the land. It is their bank. It is their savings. It is their retirement. Some even like to pass it down generationally.
To have a municipality flex a new muscle that grew out of a decision at the Supreme Court level because of an entity in Connecticut using it is ominous and needs to have powerful teeth in it to say to that local municipality or county: Thou shalt not, for these very narrow purposes, use eminent domain.
I am saying you and I come from farm country. We know how valuable that land is. It is that farmer's or that rancher's savings. It is their retirement, should they choose to sell it, and they can sell it to the city for a park if they want to. But for a county or city to step in and take the land when you want to hand it to your daughter or your son or your grandson, generationally, to pass it down through for agricultural purposes--there ought to be teeth, very powerful teeth. I think counties and cities ought not be allowed to do it, period.
I have under the Constitution for ``the defined public good,'' and the defined public good was very clear, and we defined it in statute.
But they have not--excuse me. Senator?
Right in the middle of Gettysburg is a private operating farm today. The reason it is there is because they would not allow it to be condemned, and they did not meet the threshold price of a willing seller, willing buyer. The State of Pennsylvania, for rights-of-ways of road, but other than that in almost every instance in my knowledge as it relates to Gettysburg, bought it, acquired it, and they used Federal money to get it and they used the Federal Park Service and a variety of other tools.
No, there is something new happening out there in a post-Kelo environment. You need to talk to your Farm Bureau in your State, and others, and your cattlemen and other farm organizations. Something new is happening in farmland, especially those lands adjacent to rapidly expanding urban environments. It is happening in a post-Kelo environment. That is why we are addressing it today on the Senate floor.
We don't speak to that. We speak to the issue at hand today: taking private farmland in municipalities and urban areas, counties and States, for the purpose of open land, and that is a post- Kelo phenomenon.
They did use some, yes, I don't deny that.
Madam President, we have not yet a time limit. I have expressed the will and concern of those who are cosponsors of the amendment. I put into the record the expression of our largest national farm organization that sees the threat as clearly as I do, maybe less clear than the chairman sees it because there is a pattern rapidly growing out there in a post-Kelo environment--open space taken for open space purposes. They are taking it from the private landowner. We think there ought to be strong teeth here.
With that, I retain the remainder of my time. Others are here to debate the issue.
Will the Senator yield for that?
It is important to state for the record this amendment touches none of the standard uses of eminent domain and historic uses, and I said so and all the other Senators speaking to it said so. Rights-of-ways--this is open space land only. It is very clear, it is very targeted. It does not touch any other area of historic use of eminent domain. OK?
And a lot of people had their land acquired and purchased; eminent domain was used.
I think the Record is replete now with the fact that there has been an acceleration of counties and cities using it post-Kelo.
I know what your point is; I know we should be speaking through the Chair for that purpose. In my opinion, it is a broadening of the definition of public use in a post-Kelo environment that has put America's agricultural land at risk in a greater way than ever before. That is why this amendment is brought to the floor.