American Recovery And Reinvestment Act Of 2009
Just for 5 minutes. A minute and a half. Well, we are at a crossroads for a minute and a half. Mr. President, I wish to thank Chairman Baucus and Senator McCain. I don't have anything Earth shattering to say. I do appreciate the additional…
Just for 5 minutes.
A minute and a half.
Well, we are at a crossroads for a minute and a half.
Mr. President, I wish to thank Chairman Baucus and Senator McCain. I don't have anything Earth shattering to say. I do appreciate the additional time.
We are in on Friday. I think this is good for the country that we have slowed this process a bit. It is not good for the country if we don't act. The jobless rate is going up so we need to stimulate the economy. Count me in for doing that. However, we don't need a headline that says we rushed through $1 trillion in spending that would not stimulate the economy in an effective way but will run up the debt, which is already way too high.
I think we are at a crossroads, if I may say so, about how we proceed, not just on this bill but as a Congress and as a nation. I think there are plenty of people over here--I can't give you a number; people asked me about numbers--who would like to find a way through a better process to create a bill that would stimulate the economy in a real way, through spending and tax cuts, and if it doesn't help the economy in 2 years from a tax cut point of view or a spending point of view, then I would argue it doesn't meet the goal of stimulating the economy. The spending may be worthwhile, but if it hits 3, 4, 5 years from now, then I think we missed the boat because we are not here to spend money blindly. We are here to stimulate the economy so the jobless rates don't go up.
I think my dear friend from North Dakota gets this. There are tax cuts that may need to be looked at. I believe we need to do more than cut taxes, but we need a strategy. To me, the goal should be to get it into the economy within 2 years. If you can do that through tax cuts and spending, that is the place to start. There are some items that are long-term investments that would fit within 2 years but maybe could be taken out and put in a separate bill because what is going to happen next is the administration is going to ask us for hundreds of billions of dollars on top of the TARP money to generate support for the banking and financial sector, and they would be right to do so. So every dollar we can focus in this bill to creating jobs in the short term through tax cuts and spending, and take these other long-term items out, is more money we can put into housing and banking.
I don't think most Americans realize this is a three-legged approach in that the stimulus package is just one piece of the puzzle. Quite frankly, it is the piece of the puzzle that is hard politically that does probably the least for our overall economic problems. If we don't fix housing and get credit flowing, we can flow all the money in the world into a stimulus package. Let's don't throw any more good money after bad.
We know we have to fix housing. We know we have to do something with banking. When we talk about banking, we are talking about a hard sell, given the reputation of what has happened in TARP, for any Republican or Democrat to come back to the public and say: Give us some more money to fix banking. They are going to say: What the heck did you do with the money we gave you before? We have a crisis of confidence growing.
So we are at a crossroads. I want bipartisanship. I couldn't agree more with Senator McCain. He is a man who has walked the walk when it comes to bipartisanship. He has taken a lot of criticism--so have I-- for reaching across the aisle on emotional issues to find common ground. We don't have a process in place that reflects a way to get true bipartisanship. Just picking off a few votes is not going to solve our Nation's problems. We need strong bipartisan support for a stimulus package that is targeted and focused on creating jobs in the near term because we are going to need strong bipartisan support to ask for more money for banking and housing.
Let's don't blow it here. Let's don't spend this goodwill that this new administration has. I want to help this new President be successful in areas where our country needs to be successful. I am not talking about tax cuts ideologically; I am talking about a focused plan to jumpstart the economy through a stimulus bill that will draw bipartisanship. That is not where we are. The public wants us to be smart, and they want us to work together. The product we have now is, in my opinion, not smart, and the process we created beginning in the House is not allowing us to work together. We have a chance to turn it around. Let's take advantage of it. Let's get it right so we can come back together to the public and fix housing and banking. If we mess it up with the stimulus package, if we split in different camps and we create a bill the public doesn't support on the stimulus package, we are going to ruin our ability as Members of Congress and the new administration to fix the entire economy.
We are at a crossroads. Slow down, get it right. I yield back.
Ten minutes.
Mr. President, I believe we have a modification of the amendment at the desk. I ask that be incorporated. It is amendment No. 501. I ask it be called up.
I ask unanimous consent that the reading of the amendment be dispensed with.
Mr. President, I will try to make this as quick as possible. This is as a result of the ``gang of two.'' I would encourage everybody here to form your own gang and see if you can save some money and do some good for the taxpayer. But it has been a real pleasure working with Senator Conrad, who is the chairman of the Budget Committee, who knows more than I will ever hope to know about this, and has probably forgotten more than most of us know about budgeting and spending.
We have looked at this bill, and we have similar concerns. One of the things we agree on, I think pretty strongly, is that no amount of stimulus package, no matter how well constructed, is going to solve the Nation's problems unless you do something about housing and banking.
We found some common ground on the housing part. Sheila Bair, who is the Director of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, who was allowed to stay in her position by President Obama--and I compliment him for doing that; she is a very smart lady--she has been telling people throughout the country that there is a way to get ahead of the foreclosure problem if she had some money to modify mortgages that are troubled. So what we have done is we have answered her call. She has indicated to us, through a letter, and what we have done is taken $22.725 billion, transferred it to her organization, and she will be able to use that money to deal with service providers to renegotiate mortgage loans that are underwater or about to go into default, make sure that the overall payments of the mortgageholder are no more than 31 percent so people can afford it. The lender and investors would be required to achieve reductions through a combination of interest rate reduction, extended amortization, and principal forbearance.
In other words, she tells us if we gave her this amount of money, she could sit down with the private sector and do the following:
This proposal is no silver bullet. But we do estimate that
it could reduce projected foreclosures by some 1.5 million,
assuming the program would last around 14 months.
Now, let me say that again. Some 1.5 million Americans, with this amount of money, in her opinion, could avoid having their homes foreclosed on. I don't have names and faces, but imagine for a moment people you know. That is a very big deal to me. And the money, $26-plus billion, is taken out of the underlying bill. We offset it. And as a compliment to my friend from North Dakota, it took us about 3 minutes to find offsets in this bill.
What we are able to do is we took a $75 billion fund for States that was undesignated spending, no real rhyme or reason how it will stimulate the economy in the near term, and we said, wait a minute, we know $16.85 billion, if given to the FDIC organization, Ms. Bair, if they got $16 billion of that pot of money, they could save 1.5 million people from foreclosure. If we would do that, it would help the housing market in general.
Again, my colleagues, we can print money until the press breaks. If you do not deal with housing and banking, we are never going to shore up this economy. This is, I think, a very responsible amendment. We could do a lot more with this bill. But we have the ability to transfer funds from the underlying bill to the FDIC that could be used in a way to work with the private sector financial managers to help 1.5 million people from going into foreclosure in the next 14 months.
I am very proud of the amendment. I am sure it is no silver bullet, as she indicates, but it shows you what we can do around here if we keep our eye on the ball. At the end of the day, whatever amount this bill comes out to be, we have done very little for housing and nothing for banking.
Our dear friend, Senator Dodd, on the Banking Committee, knows, and the rest of us should know, that if you do not get credit flowing, if you do not shore up housing, there is no amount of stimulus in the world that is going to bring this economy back.
I urge all of my colleagues to support this amendment, because it will help Americans in the near term save their home from foreclosure. It is responsibly spent, and the offsets, I think, are reasonable.
I will let my friend from North Dakota tell you about the stimulative effect of the offsets to our economy versus the stimulative effect of the protection of housing of our amendment.
With that, I yield to my friend from North Dakota.
Mr. President, as I understand the TARP funding situation, we are somewhere in the $310 billion range in terms of funds left. I voted for TARP. It was a very tough vote for all of us. And the first $350 billion, let's put it this way, I do not think inspired a lot of confidence in the American people. I was told we were going to buy toxic assets with the money, that we were going to get those bad debts off the balance sheets so people could lend money. Unfortunately, most of the money went to banks. And I do not have any idea what bank got what, and I have no idea what they did with the money. I know the chairman of the Banking Committee is trying to figure that out.
The confidence level of the American people in us is pretty low right now. Do we understand what we are doing and how are we going to get there? I can assure you there is going to be more money requested for housing and banking.
Every dollar we spend in the stimulus package that is off the mark is borrowed money, and it is going to make it harder to get new money for housing and banking. So, dear colleague, the next time we go to the American people and ask them to trust us with more of their money to fix banking and housing, they are going to judge us by TARP and this stimulus package. I am afraid we are not doing very well in their sight. This amendment will help in a small way. We can do a lot more.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that Senator Bond be added as a cosponsor.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent to have printed in the Record the letter from Sheila Bair to me and Senator Conrad about what this would do for housing: 1.5 million people would avoid foreclosure if this program were enacted for 14 months. That is a pretty good use of money.
If I believed we could fix housing and the banking situation with $310 billion, I would sit down and withdraw the amendment. I don't think we can. I am trying to help. As to my friend from New York, if you think it is more important to spend $400 million to deal with sexually transmitted diseases than it is to save 1.5 million homes, vote against us. I have an offset here. Go through this. If you think this is a better use of money than allocating money to save people from losing their homes, vote no. We are not in a perfect world. We are in a miserable world. We have a stimulus package that has very little to do with stimulating the economy and a lot to do with growing the Government. We have a housing problem and a banking problem that are going to cost a lot more than $300 billion. That is what we are trying to say to our colleagues. The problems are massive. The spending bill is too large. We are trying to create some sense of priorities and urgency. So the $16 billion slush fund that is not going to create any job, if you think it is better to have that than it is to save 1.5 million homes from foreclosure with a program that Sheila Bair thinks will work, let's do it.
I wish to work with Senator Dodd to improve the funding available to deal with foreclosures. This is not a silver bullet, but it will help. We have our priorities mixed up. We have a spending bill that doesn't create jobs. It grows the Government. We don't have enough money to fix housing and the underlying banking problem because we have been incompetent with the first $350 billion. I am not blaming anybody. I am telling America the worst is yet to come, and we are wasting money and wasting time. This is not a perfect world. This is a Congress making it up as we go. I would like to get some rhyme or reason as to what we are doing. This amendment has a rhyme or reason about what we are doing.
Will the Senator yield for a question?
Does the Senator agree with me that whether we can get the public to buy into $500 billion, $400 billion more, has a lot to do with their confidence level in how we are spending their money through the TARP and through the stimulus package? We are trying to improve their confidence level by having offsets that make sense; does he agree that is the purpose?
Mr. President, will the Senator yield for a question?
The point I am trying to make, I say to the Senator, is, I may be wrong, but I do not believe the remaining amount of money in TARP--$310 billion, I believe it is--will take care of what we need to do with our banking problem and our housing problem. Am I wrong?
Mr. President, will the Senator yield for a question?
If our colleagues looked at the items we are using to offset, do you agree with me, I say to the Senator, not only could most of these items wait, it would be probably good we never spent the money at all?
So when you talk about priorities between 1.5 million people who could be saved from foreclosure in 14 months with this money versus what we are offsetting--and only 17 percent of the offset money, I say to the Senator, I believe, is spent in the first year--the $22 billion we give to the FDIC to manage foreclosures would save 1.5 million homes in 14 months.
So I would argue we are not shortchanging anyone by offsetting this money, that what is in the offset not only could wait, a lot of it could wait till hell froze over because it makes no sense to spend it to begin with.
So it is not as if we are robbing somebody with a useful program. We have looked into this $800 billion, $900 billion--whatever it is--bill, I say to the Senator, and we are astonished to find that maybe there is some money in here that does not make a whole lot of sense in terms of stimulating the economy, saving housing or banking, and I think we have done a pretty good job of offsetting it.
I would ask my colleagues one simple question, and I will end with a question to the Senator from North Dakota. If you assume we are going to be asking the American people for more money to fix their housing problem and their banking problem, the question I have is, one, why wait when we can do something now? And why would you put what is in this bill in this offset ahead of housing? I just do not understand that. Do you, as the Senator from North Dakota?
Mr. President, I hate to do this because I hate it when people do it to me, but I just want to ask a question, if I could.
I think the Banking Committee chairman has a major dilemma on his hands, at no fault of his own. If I thought $310 billion would do it, I would not be here. I think you are going to need more money, and if you take 50 out of the TARP, you are going to have whatever the math is left, and that is still not enough.
So what we are trying to do is get money for housing and taking it out of a bill that I think has a lot of room to be offset. I am trying to help, not hurt. I think you are going to need both.
Mr. President, I think the Senator from Connecticut has asked a very good question. What are we doing here? Are we trying to spend TARP money? Well, apparently we are going to do that next. I thought we were stimulating the economy.
The President said this is a spending bill. Well, all spending doesn't stimulate the economy: $400 million for sexually transmitted disease research and $75 million to get people to quit smoking--those things don't stimulate the economy in the near term. They may be very worthwhile. You have issues with TARP. I didn't think we were going to come over here and divide TARP. I am with you, Senator Dodd, I don't think you have enough money.
What I want to do with my colleague from North Dakota is to let the body know we are spending a lot of money--more than any American can appreciate--on things that don't stimulate the economy. If you want to get our economy back on its feet, take some of the money we are going to waste in this bill and put it into a program that will save 1.5 million people from foreclosure. I think it is smart to do that now. I think it is smart to look at TARP and maybe grow the fund if it is necessary.
That is the point. This bill has lost focus. For one person it is spending. For the other person it is rearranging TARP. For us it is trying to save housing. I don't think we know what we are doing. I think we need to understand we don't have enough money in TARP to fix America's problems with housing and banking, and every dollar we waste here and what we are taking out of this bill is purely waste, in my opinion.
To help housing is smart. If you don't think it is smart, vote no. I will respect you. But this whole process has gotten out of hand.