Mr. Chairman, before I comment on the supplemental, I would like to thank the gentleman from Florida (Chairman Young) and the gentleman from Wisconsin (Ranking Member Obey) for their very important work on the bill. I would like to…
Mr. Chairman, before I comment on the supplemental, I would like to thank the gentleman from Florida (Chairman Young) and the gentleman from Wisconsin (Ranking Member Obey) for their very important work on the bill. I would like to recognize the gentleman from Arizona (Chairman Kolbe), my very good friend and colleague on the Subcommittee on Foreign Operation, Export Financing and Related Programs. For 3 years, the gentleman and I have worked together to craft a foreign aid bill, always mindful that our work abroad has a direct impact on the stability and prosperity of those nations that we seek to assist and a direct impact on the national security of the United States. The gentleman from Arizona (Chairman Kolbe) is as open to ideas and suggestions, as intelligent in his reasoning and responses, and as gracious in his manner as any Member of Congress that I have known. It has been a true pleasure to work with him, and I look forward to more years of partnership, trust, and accomplishment.
Mr. Chairman, this Iraq supplemental is enormous and complex and has provoked passionate and very different opinions among us and the public. Everyone has their own ideas about how it could be done. In my judgment, the request made by the President and the CPA was shaped by a series of miscalculations, miscalculations about how the international community would react to United States operations in Iraq, how we would be received by Iraqis, what would be required to rebuild, how generous other nations would be with donations. That is why this debate is so very important; and everyone should be heard for the sake of our constituents, our heroic
Armed Forces, and our democracy. We should not just rubber stamp the executive branch's request.
As I said, everyone might have their own ideas about how it could be done, but I think it is crucial that we remember why it should be done. At stake, in my judgment, is the reconstruction of Iraq, a country whose stability and growth is critical for our own national security. Failure in Iraq would create a dangerous vacuum in the heart of the Middle East, a vacuum with no order. It would be a place where hatred of the United States would thrive and where those who seek to plot against us would find another safe haven. That is why this supplemental is necessary and important, and I urge my colleagues to consider that as we debate today.
However, it is important to stress again that while the goal is clear, the execution has been, frankly, mediocre. We do not have a plan. We do not have clear priorities, strong safeguards, or a sustained diplomatic effort.
Taken separately, each is a serious shortcoming. Taken together, they have led to a reconstruction effort that appears haphazard and irresponsible.
However Members vote on this supplemental, we have a dual responsibility to national security and to fiscal stability. The effort in Iraq is crucial for our security, but we must be honest about the cost and about the tough choices we face.
I did hope that we would have a full and open debate that would allow us to consider the package drafted by the Ranking Member, the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Obey). I strongly supported the Obey amendment because it spoke to the needs in Iraq, the concerns of our military and their families, and the constraints of our Federal budget. It was a responsible approach that took much of the burden off the United States taxpayer. And I am truly disappointed that we were not able to vote on it.
If this were a true democratic House, we would have the opportunity not only to have a full debate, but to be able to take a position on an alternative that I think is really constructive and would be supported by a good deal, maybe even the majority, of the Members of this House.
I look forward to hearing from my colleagues as debate on amendments begin.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 3 minutes.
(Mrs. LOWEY asked and was given permission to revise and extend her remarks.)
Mr. Chairman, over the last few weeks, the issue of loans versus grants has dominated the debate on this supplemental. On the one side we see the administration and some Members of Congress arguing that increasing Iraq's loan burden would hobble its recovery and delay its transformation to a stable democracy. They also look to next week's donor conference in Madrid and worry that the United States move to assist Iraq using loans rather than grants would lead to similar approaches from other international donors, thus hindering Iraqi recovery further.
On the other side, I have talked to many of my colleagues who feel, and they feel on behalf of their districts, that their districts would benefit tremendously from even a small portion of that $87 billion. They believe that we are prepared to give a bonanza to a country with the second largest oil reserve in the world, and they say, should this resource-rich country not pay us back? We need this money as much as they do, for our hospitals, our schools, our neighborhoods.
The Obey-Lantos amendment is an attempt to compromise by providing half of the fund through grants and the other half through loans.
The reason I strongly support this concept is we have seen reports in the last few weeks that only approximately $6 billion can be spent this year. We know because we have gotten all kinds of reports, some from the World Bank, some from others, that the total bill could be upwards of $25 billion, $50 billion in the long run; but this year we have been told by the World Bank that they estimate we cannot spend more than $6 billion.
I want to make it clear that in committee I supported an approach that would provide the loans through the World Bank; and I continue to believe that this is the best approach, allowing the United States to ask for matching funds from other countries and enabling the bank to leverage as much as four times the current funds available for Iraq reconstruction. Unfortunately, this amendment does not use the bank. It does not do so because it was disallowed in the rules process from constructing the amendment in that way. The Obey-Lantos proposal to give half of the reconstruction money in grants and the other half in loans, in my judgment, is still a good approach, even though I would have preferred the World Bank as the vehicle.
I believe this will help Iraq, we will be able to provide the money that is needed for reconstruction, and it will also save the United States taxpayers from the entire burden of reconstruction.
The Obey-Lantos approach, in my judgment, is the right one. I am going to support it, and I urge my colleagues to support it as well.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 1\1/2\ minutes to the gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Andrews).
(Mr. ANDREWS asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from California (Mr. Rohrabacher).
Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the distinguished gentlewoman from Michigan (Ms. Kilpatrick), a member of our committee.
(Ms. KILPATRICK asked and was given permission to revise and extend her remarks.)
Mr. Chairman, I am very pleased to yield 1\1/2\ minutes to the very distinguished gentleman from California (Mr. Sherman).
Mr. Chairman, I am very pleased to yield 1\1/2\ minutes to the gentleman from Oregon (Mr. DeFazio).