Madam President, reserving the right to object--and I will object--let me make clear that when the issue of religion is raised, as it has been in the Pryor matter, and we think improperly so, and it seems to be continuously raised in some…
Madam President, reserving the right to object--and I will object--let me make clear that when the issue of religion is raised, as it has been in the Pryor matter, and we think improperly so, and it seems to be continuously raised in some of these issues before the Judiciary Committee with various nominees--there are questions or statements like this: One Senator accused Attorney General Pryor of----
--``asserting an agenda of religious belief of your own.'' As long as those types of questions are going to be asked, I am going to have to object.
Then I object under those circumstances.
Madam President, I have been listening to this. I have to tell you, it is apparent that my friends on the other side who are stung a little bit by this. They should be. They should be. Naturally, they don't want religion mentioned because they are referring to it all the time, and it is almost always in the context of abortion.
Almost every question that Democrats ask those whom they consider controversial nominees is about abortion. Naturally, they cannot do that to every nominee, even though I believe some of them would like to. So they are selective in choosing certain nominees who have deeply held religious beliefs.
But let me just give you a few examples of why I am convinced General Pryor's religion was put squarely at issue during his hearing, and why, at the end of the hearing, I brought up the issue of religion--because I was sick and tired of hearing this kind of stuff, because when Democrats were questioning his deeply held beliefs, they really were questioning his religious beliefs.
One Senator--I believe it was Senator Durbin from Illinois--accused General Pryor, during the hearing, of ``asserting an agenda of your own, a religious belief of your own. . . .''
In his opening statement, Senator Schumer stated:
[I]n General Pryor's case his beliefs are so well known, so
deeply held, that it is very hard to believe, very hard to
believe that they are not going to deeply influence the way
he comes about saying, ``I will follow the law.'' And that
would be true of anybody who had very, very deeply held
views.
I think he had a right to say that, but the point is, there isn't anybody who doesn't understand, when you talk about deeply held views, what those are are religious beliefs. If they don't understand it, then they--well, I will not comment about that.
At another point, on the subject of Roe v. Wade--which came up in almost every question to Pryor from a Democratic questioner--Senator Schumer said:
I for one believe that a judge can be pro-life, yet be
fair, balanced, and uphold a woman's right to choose, but for
a judge to set aside his or her personal view, the commitment
to the rule of law must clearly supersede his or her personal
agenda. . . . But based on the comments Attorney General
Pryor has made on this subject, I have got some real concerns
that he cannot, because he feels these views so deeply and so
passionately.
There is only one reason he feels those views so deeply and passionately, and that is because of his religion and his religious beliefs. He is a traditional, conservative pro-life Catholic. I don't think my colleagues are against the Catholic Church, but it sure seems as if they are against the traditional pro-life conservative Catholic-- on a selective basis, of course, because they cannot do this to everybody.
Another Senator told General Pryor:
. . . I think the very legitimate issue in question with your
nomination is whether you have an agenda, that many of the
positions which you have taken reflect not just an advocacy
but a very deeply held view and a philosophy, which you are
entitled to have, but you are also not entitled to get
everyone's vote.
General Pryor is an openly pro-life Catholic. To me, these questions and comments about his deeply held personal views put his religious beliefs squarely in issue.
Some Democrats say that they have, generally, voted to confirm about 140 of President Bush's judicial nominees. And they say some may have been pro-life Catholics, so our charges that they refuse to confirm pro-life Catholics are baseless. But here's what they're really saying: if you're a pro-life Catholic, you'd better keep quiet during your entire legal or political career before you come before us on the Judiciary Committee, because if you have made public statements that indicate you actually believe in official Catholic doctrine or are actually pro-life, that's when you are in real trouble with us. If you are smart, you will keep your religious beliefs to yourself, and maybe we won't ask about them directly or indirectly. So at best, what some Democrats seem to want is a gag order enforced on nominees who have publicly espoused pro-life positions, even in the context of political campaigns. At worse, maybe some would rather that those publicly profess pro-life sentiments be excluded from public service--certainly service on the federal bench--altogether.
Let's assume that, as various polls seem to show, the American people are roughly equally divided on the policy questions regarding abortion. There's no question that tens of millions of Catholics, following the official doctrine of the church, and millions of other religious believers of all denominations in this country are on the pro-life side of that divide. An abortion litmus test--which is really a religious litmus test, where pro-life views arise from a person's faith-- effectively excludes judicial nominees from that side, from service on the Federal bench. That is wrong, particularly in the case of Bill Pryor, whose record of subordinating his personal beliefs to the law could not be clearer, and who, like Justice Owen, affirmed to our Committee that he would follow Roe v. Wade and other Supreme Court precedents with which he personally disagrees. He understands his role as a federal judge. It's time we act on a proper understanding of our role as Senators and vote for or against his confirmation.
We know that our Constitution prohibits religious tests for public office. Nobody would propose a law that excluded persons of certain religions from certain federal offices. But what can't be done overtly is no less objectionable when done indirectly.
Article VI of the Constitution states, ``[N]o religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.'' I do not believe that any Senator would intentionally impose a religious test on the President's judicial nominees, and I do not think any Senators are guilty of anti-religion bias. However, I am deeply concerned that some are indirectly putting at issue the religious beliefs of several judicial nominees--nominees who are avowedly pro-life as a result of their religious beliefs.
The most recent example emerged during the debate on the nomination of Bill Pryor to the Eleventh Circuit. During his confirmation hearing, General Pryor was asked repeatedly by some Committee Democrats about what one senator called his ``very, very deeply held views.'' In fact, in the portion of his opening statement addressing Roe v. Wade, one of my Democratic colleagues on the judiciary Committee stated
I for one believe that a judge can be pro-life, yet be
fair, balanced, and uphold a woman's right to choose, but for
a judge to set aside his or her personal view, the commitment
to the rule of law must clearly supersede his or her personal
agenda. . . . But based on the comments Attorney General
Pryor has made on this subject, I have got some real concerns
that he cannot, because he feels these views so deeply and so
passionately.
Another Senator accused General Pryor during the hearing of ``asserting an agenda of your own, a religious belief of your own. . . .'' And yet another Senator told General Pryor during the hearing:
. . . I think the very legitimate issue in question with your
nomination is whether you have an agenda, that many of the
positions which you have taken reflect not just an advocacy
but a very deeply held view and a philosophy, which you are
entitled to have, but you are also not entitled to get
everyone's vote.
Another colleague remarked:
Virtually in every area you have extraordinarily strong
views which continue and come out in a number of different
ways. Your comments about Roe make one believe, could he
really, suddenly, move away from those comments and be a
judge?
I became concerned after these comments that General Pryor was essentially being questioned about his deeply held religious beliefs, and that is the only reason I myself questioned General Pryor on the subject of religion during his hearing. In my view, it was time to call it like I saw it. But let me make one thing absolutely clear: My questions were an attempt to prevent General Pryor, and any other judicial
nominees, from being subjected to a religious test. In no way, shape or form did I attempt, or would I ever attempt, to impose such a test.
General Pryor is an openly pro-life Catholic, so there is little doubt in my mind about the nature or source of his ``deeply held views.'' He has publicly stated on numerous occasions, including during his confirmation hearing, that he believes abortion is the taking of innocent human life. My colleagues seem to be arguing that because General Pryor feels passionately that abortion is morally wrong and has publicly expressed his views, he will be unable to set aside his personal views on the subject and follow binding Supreme Court precedent as a judge. But General Pryor's record on the subject of abortion is crystal clear and beyond dispute. He has enforced the law despite his publicly expressed and conflicting personal beliefs.
For example, after the Alabama legislature passed a partial-birth abortion ban in 1997, General Pryor issued guidance to state law enforcement officials to ensure that the law was enforced consistent with the Supreme Court's 1992 decision in Planned Parenthood v. Casey. Although there was considerable outcry against his decision from the pro-life community, the ACLU praised General Pryor's decision, emphasizing that his order had ``[s]everly [l]imited'' Alabama's ban. He issued similar guidance after the Supreme Court's 2000 ruling in Stenberg v. Carhart, which struck down another state's ban on partial- birth abortion.
I doubt that any Supreme Court decision could be more personally distasteful to General Pryor than Stenberg v. Carhart. And he specifically said he disagreed with the decision while emphasizing that it was the law and he would enforce it. Can we ask more of a judicial nominee, than to demonstrate such objectivity and enforce a law so at odds with his personal beliefs? I urge my colleagues to judge General Pryor and other pro-life nominees on their record as it relates to abortion and not on the nominees' person beliefs on the subject.
By the way, I am certainly not alone in my concern that the debate over General Pryor's nomination has put his religious beliefs at issue. The Mobile Register in a July 26 editorial wrote that :
. . . the Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee have
repeatedly asserted that Mr. Pryor would be incapable of
enforcing the law . . . That's a serious charge, in effect
saying that if somebody believes deeply, because of his
religious faith, that abortion is morally wrong, then that
person is unfit for a judgeship. But that onus is on the
accusers to prove from Bill Pryor's record that he is thus
hampered from enforcing the law. Mr. Pryor has much evidence
on his side, but where is their evidence to the contrary? . .
. To look at that record and still assert, as the Senate
Democrats do, that the strength of Mr. Pryor's personal
beliefs disqualifies him, is indeed, effectively, to say that
his faith makes him ineligible for office. Their stance
against him should anger all people of deep faith, of all
religions.
In addition, Austin Rusc, President of the Catholic Family & Human Rights Institute, wrote in a letter dated July 29:
``I am deeply troubled by the recent turns of events in the
U.S. Senate regarding Catholic nominees to the Federal
Court. It appears to me that a faithful Catholic, that is
one who upholds the Catholic teaching on the inviolability
of innocent human life from conception onward, cannot be
confirmed for the Federal bench by this Senate. It very
clearly is a religious test for office, and therefore a
violation of our Constitution. Moreover, it is an insult
to millions of faithful Catholics in this country.
I also received a July 23 letter from the president and three other leaders of the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America that stated:
As a community of religious believers committed to full
engagement with modern American society, we are deeply
troubled by those who have implied that a person of faith
cannot serve in a high level government post that may raise
issues at odds with his or her personal beliefs. There is
little question in our minds that this view has been the
subtext for some of the criticism of Mr. Pryor. We urge you
and your colleagues to empathetically reject this aspersion
and send a clear message that such suggestions, whether
explicit or implied, are beyond the pale of our politics.
I ask unanimous consent that a copy of the Register editorial be printed in the Record.
Any suggestions that a person with deeply held religious beliefs cannot be trusted to follow the law, despite a proven track record of doing just that, is unconstitutional. I will continue to fight any form of religious test, direct or indirect, as long as I am a Member of this Senate. I have stood up for the free exercise of religion time and time again, through such measures as the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. I am proud of my accomplishments, and I will continue in my quest to ensure that the free exercise of religion is a right that remains uncompromised for everyone--including judicial nominees.
I yield the floor.
Exhibit 1
[Mobile Register, July 26, 2003]
To Denigrate Pryor, How Low Can They Go?
On the matter of the judicial nomination of Alabama
Attorney General Bill Pryor, it's time for his Democratic
opponents to put up or shut up.
When all the smokescreens dissipate, the Senate Democrats'
objections to Mr. Pryor come down to two: First, that his
pro-life views are too ``extreme'' for him to be trusted to
uphold laws that contradict those views, and second, that
they have been denied ample time to investigate his fund-
raising activities.
Let's take them one at a time. Much has been made of Mr.
Pryor's supporters supposedly accusing his opponents of
deliberate anti-Catholic bias. But that's not what the
supporters have claimed. Instead, they've asserted--quite
believably--that the critics' pro-choice litmus test amounts
to the kind of ``religious test'' that, whether applied to
Catholics (such as Mr. Pryor) or conservative Protestants, or
for that matter members of any faith, are explicitly
prohibited by the Constitution.
Too Catholic?: It's not merely Catholics who say Bill
Pryor's faith is being unfairly used against him. The
president and three other leaders of the Orthodox Jewish
Union wrote this in a July 23 letter: ``As a community of
religious believers committed to full engagement with modern
American society, we are deeply troubled by those who have
implied that a person of faith cannot serve in a high level
government post that may raise issues at odds with his or her
personal beliefs. There is little question in our minds that
this view has been the subtext for some of the criticism of
Mr. Pryor. . . . In our view, Mr. Pryor's record as Alabama's
attorney general demonstrates his ability to faithfully
enforce the law, even when it may conflict with his
personal beliefs.''
Indeed, the Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee
have repeatedly asserted that Mr. Pryor would be incapable of
enforcing the law. Here's Senator Charles Schumer of New
York: ``In General Pryor's case his beliefs are so well
known, so deeply held, that it is very hard to believe--very
hard to believe--that they are not going to deeply influence
the way he comes about saying, `I will follow the law,' and
that would be true of anybody who had very, very deeply held
views.''
Senator Richard Durbin of Illinois even suggested to Mr.
Pryor directly that he was ``asserting an agenda of your own,
a religious belief of your own, inconsistent with separation
of church and state.''
That's a serious charge, in effect saying that if somebody
believes deeply, because of his religious faith, that
abortion is morally wrong, then that person is unfit for a
judgeship.
But the onus is on the accusers to prove from Bill Pryor's
record that he is thus hampered from enforcing the law. Mr.
Pryor has much evidence on his side, but where is their
evidence to the contrary? The Alabama AG, after all, is a
white Republican who has taken the side of black Democrats in
a suit filed by white Republicans. He is a man who has
publicly intervened against the very Republican governor, Fob
James, who first appointed him. And on two separate occasions
he took stances, as the state's top legal officer, that
angered some of his anti-abortion allies.
To look at that record and still assert, as the Senate
Democrats do, that the strength of Mr. Pryor's personal
beliefs disqualifies him, is indeed, effectively, to say that
his faith makes him ineligible for office. Their stance
against him should anger all people of deep faith, of all
religions.
False testimony?: Senate Democrats also contend that
Republicans have unfairly cut off their ``investigation''
into whether Mr. Pryor testified truthfully about fund-
raising activities for the Republican Attorneys General
Association--activities the Democrats themselves
acknowledge were legal.
The truth is that the anti-Pryor forces are the ones whose
tactics should be in question. Using a close associate of a
man from whom Mr. Pryor recently secured a guilty plea to
bribery charges, the Democratic committee staff obtained
documents on July 2 that they claim raise questions about the
AG's own committee testimony. (It is not clear how long they
had been in contact with that associate, but some Republican
senators accused them of knowing weeks in advance.)
The Democrats did not bother to tell Republicans about the
documents until July 8. They did not interview former
staffers of the Republican group until July 15, two days
before the vote on Mr. Pryor was scheduled.
They have not yet put the original source under oath. And,
despite being given three opportunities to question Mr. Pryor
himself about the charges, Democrats declined all three times
to question him.
On July 17, the day the committee was scheduled to vote on
the nomination, the Democrats presented an ``investigation
plan'' that did not include giving Mr. Pryor himself a chance
to answer his accusers.
Not only that, but Republican Judiciary Committee Chairman
Orrin Hatch announced that, as of yesterday, the committee
had interviewed 20 witnesses, and that every one of them
``corroborated the testimony of General Pryor.''
In fact, said Chairman Hatch, ``what's notable'' is the
Democrats'' ``complete failure to specify any evidence that
General Pryor misled the committee.''
Indeed, they haven't even specified exactly what their
charges against him are. There is good reason, then, to agree
with Chairman Hatch that the Pryor opponents are engaged in a
``full-scale fishing expedition.''
Enough is enough. The campaign against Bill Pryor has sunk
to tawdry depths. Unless the Democrats ``put up'' a
legitimate reason to delay, instead of these faith-based and
procedural smears, they owe him an up-or-down confirmation
vote on the Senate floor, with no filibusters and no more
subterfuge.
Now, look, it is a little late to start saying we should have a rule that you can never mention religion. That means you could never mention Roe v. Wade. But that would take away the biggest argument that Democrats have against these people. I don't like to mention religion either--never have except in General Pryor's case, after Democrats had not so subtly raised the issue.
Now, with regard to the criticism of Boyden Gray's group, those terms were used first by People for the American Way in formal ads and letters, and then used by, I think, the Americans United for Separation of Church and State. These are two liberal groups.
Here is Americans United for Separation of Church and State, criticizing the nomination of John Ashcroft because he was for charitable choice legislation:
Ashcroft charitable choice provisions allow a Government-
funded program to hang a sign that says ``Catholics need not
apply.''
Where did that come from? That was long before Boyden Gray's group used such language--after all of Democrats' attacks on Pryor's deeply held beliefs during his hearing.
What about People for the American Way? People for the American Way, again, criticizing John Ashcroft because of the charitable choice legislation and saying:
An evangelical church running a Government-funded welfare
program could state that ``Catholics need not apply'' in a
help wanted ad.
Which I doubt any of them would do.
Now, leftist groups used such language, and all of a sudden we hear this screaming and shouting that Boyden Gray's group used the same language--after Democrats put Pryor's religious beliefs squarely at issue during his hearing and markup. Now some will say: Well, I certainly didn't mean for my questions to put his religion at issue. Well, what do you mean it to be? Religious beliefs are his deeply held beliefs and personal beliefs.
Now, look, my colleagues have a right to ask questions, but I also have a right to point out that I think those questions have led us into some very tender areas.
Frankly, what it all comes down to--I hate to say this, but it is true--is Roe v. Wade. That is what it comes down to. It is the be-all and end-all issue to most of our colleagues over here.
Now, it has been to a couple of my colleagues over here, too, but we stopped our side from using it as a litmus test. In fact, I don't know of anybody over here who has used it as a litmus test. But in virtually every case, that is the chief issue Democrats use against President Bush's nominees and the chief gripe about what kind of people they are--because they are traditional pro-life religious people. I don't know what other conclusion you can come to.
So to bring this resolution up is just a political show, because nobody in their right mind is going to let them get away with that type of treatment--or should I say mistreatment--of any President's judicial nominees. I do not want anybody on our side doing it either.
Also, frankly, for my colleague from Vermont, I know he is concerned about this. And I don't think any of these groups, including the conservative groups, should use this type of ``Catholics need not apply'' language. I don't think it is right. I don't think it should be done. But the ones who did it first, the ones who were never criticized by our media in this country, the ones who were never criticized by my colleagues on the other side, who are now decrying all of this, were the Democratic, liberal inside-the-beltway groups. And all of a sudden Boyden Gray's group is a very bad group because they have used the same language as People for the American Way and the group Americans United for Separation of Church and State.
I yield the remainder of my time to the distinguished Senator from Alabama.