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Will the Senator yield for an observation? I thank the Senator for yielding. Madam President, I will be very brief. I thank the Senator from Tennessee, not only for his statement but for his constant efforts. Facts are stubborn things. Yet…
Will the Senator yield for an observation?
I thank the Senator for yielding.
Madam President, I will be very brief. I thank the Senator from Tennessee, not only for his statement but for his constant efforts. Facts are stubborn things. Yet he has pointed out basically what this report now confirms. During the last few months we have seen some commentary that says ``scare tactics,'' of all things. I happen to have the privilege of being the chairman of the Rural Health Care Caucus. I was in the House of Representatives when I had the privilege of serving there and I am a cochairman with Senator Tom Harkin of Iowa. There are about 30 of us who, from time to time, will correspond and meet and send messages back and forth to try to keep the rural health care delivery system viable.
We have been worried for some time in regard to what is going to happen to Medicare, what is going to happen in regard to cost, what is going to happen in regard to rationing. Every hospital director, every hospital board in rural America has worried about these things--more especially about CMS, which has been described here in detail. That is the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.
I have to tell you, if you are a hospital administrator or if you are on the board of a local hospital in a rural area, and you hear the word CMS, it is probably not viewed in the best of considerations, that CMS is in charge of enforcing what H2S comes down with. So in terms of reimbursement, in terms of all things--competitive bidding--and I am talking about doctors, hospitals, nursing homes, home health care, hospice, all of this--when they hear the word CMS a cold chill goes down the back of their neck, more or less like expecting Lizzy Borden to come in the front door.
So I am especially glad that the actuary, Mr. Richard Foster, the Chief Actuary from CMS, has shined the light of truth into darkness. He has taken the original bill we have been talking about for some time, as my colleague has pointed out, and said basically this bill is going to increase costs and is going to result in rationing. It does not take into consideration the latest iteration that we hear from the press and media about including people 55 to 65 into Medicare. It is going to be interesting, if we have enough time--although I know that the distinguished majority leader has asked for a CBO score--but I would sure like to know what Mr. Foster would think of that idea. I think it would be far worse.
I encourage all of my colleagues who belong to the Rural Health Care Caucus to take a very hard look at this. This confirms what we have been saying for some time. These are not scare tactics, these are actual facts.
Let me say, too, I know when this debate first started some of the national organizations that represent doctors and hospitals, perhaps nursing homes--certainly not any home health care--well, I take that back. There was a letter written by the home health care folks at one time, but certainly not hospices--indicating that they were lukewarm, warm to the bill, or would perhaps support it. I think the message was pretty clear--come to the breakfast or you won't come to lunch. That was pretty bare knuckles but they hoped that at least by insuring those who have insurance, that would make their situation better.
Then, of course, came the latest iteration to this bill of putting in people 55 to 65, and the national association, in regard to our doctors and our hospitals, said: Whoa.
Let me point out in Kansas and in many States throughout the country there never was the support. They knew exactly what would happen if we passed this bill and CMS would come knocking on their door. I might add it wouldn't be CMS that would actually do that, it would be the Internal Revenue Service under this bill, and that was one consideration where I made about a 15-minute speech and obviously not too many people paid attention. But all patients, all doctors, all nurses, all clinical lab folks, anybody connected with the home health care industry or hospice or nursing homes or whatever, should have known it is going to be the IRS that is going to enforce this as well as CMS, which has been doing most of the enforcing.
In Kansas, the Kansas Medical Society said: No, no, we are not going to go along with this bill. I am talking about the bill we have been talking about for some time. The Kansas Hospital Association was adamant. They said no. Obviously that was because of advice they got from 128 hospitals in my State, saying: No, we cannot reconcile with this because of cost, because of the rationing. We are only being reimbursed at 70 percent or less, as we talk about it--and the doctors about 80 percent.
Many doctors do not serve Medicare now in Kansas. Let me rephrase that. Some doctors don't serve Medicare in Kansas. If this bill passes, a lot of doctors simply will not serve Medicare. You can have the best plan or the best card in the world, it is not going to make any difference if you can't see a doctor. It is not worth a dime.
Then I have to say the Kansas Nursing Home Association and Kansas Home Health Care folks and the Kansas Hospice folks all said: No, this is not where we want to go. This is self-defeating. This is not going to do what the sponsors of the bill and what everybody for health care reform hoped they would actually see happen.
I don't know what the word is, I am--not overwhelmed, I am extremely glad; I am somewhat surprised but I am extremely glad that CMS again shined the light of truth into darkness. I commend Mr. Foster, the chief actuary. I recommend this as required reading for everybody who was going to vote for this bill and certainly with the latest iteration, where we are adding anywhere from 10 to 20 to 30 million people to Medicare, which will make the situation much worse in regard to Medicare being actuarially sound and costs going up, premiums going up, and also rationing, the dreaded rationing. It is not a scare tactic but actually a fact.
I yield my time.
I will tread with great care, I would say to my distinguished friend.
I thank the Senator for this colloquy. But you asked what it means that ``the Senate should reject any procedural maneuver that''--that is in quotes--and what does that really mean?
Well, it applies only to the Senate procedural motions. By itself it would have no effect on any substantive provision. That is the way it is commonly understood under Senate rules. It means, if adopted, the amendment would not remove any provision that has been identified as a tax increase on middle-class taxpayers, which is precisely what the Senator is trying to do. So basically it means nothing.
Will the Senator yield for a question?
That phrase that the Senator just mentioned is, ``which is designed to kill legislation.'' My question has already been answered by the distinguished Senator, what does it mean, but there are no motions that have been considered or pending, including the pending motion to commit by the distinguished Senator--is the motion designed to kill this legislation? Because that is what you are going to hear on the other side, and that is not the case.
Would the distinguished Senator yield for a question?
As Republicans, there is probably no principle that unifies us more than keeping taxes low on American workers and families, and I don't think our friends on the other side would dispute that notion. Indeed, the Democratic Party assumed control of the White House almost a year ago, as everybody knows, and seated large majorities here in the Congress. The one unmistakable distinction between the parties is this: Our party has respectfully opposed--I underline the word respectfully--opposed numerous efforts by the majority party to impose broad-based taxes increases on American workers and families. So one only need to look at the stimulus debate or the budget debate or the cap-and-trade legislation, and I could go on and on and on, more especially with the health care debate, and the bill before us.
Don't you follow from that general principle?
Would the Senator yield?
I wish to thank our distinguished leader for pointing that out. It has been a seminal event. As I said before, I have the privilege of being chairman of the Rural Health Care Caucus. There are probably 30 of us in a bipartisan caucus to try to protect and improve the rural health care delivery system. I took that report by Mr. Foster, who is the actuary of CMS, and said, this is required reading. I made the point that if you mention CMS to a beleaguered hospital administrator or a member of the board or any medical provider--doctor, nursing home, home health care, hospice; even hospice is cut in regard to the cuts--they know if a CMS representative is knocking on the door, that is a lot like sending a cold shiver down their spine thinking it is Lizzie Borden. Of all of the agencies that now are shining the light of truth into darkness in regard to the nature of this bill in increased costs, and yes, rationing--no, it is not a scare tactic--CMS is that agency. It would be amazing if we could get CMS to report back on, if we knew what it was--the media reports are how we get the information on this new iteration of a bill where allegedly we are going to add in people from 55 years old into the Medicare system. You do that, and now all of a sudden even the national organizations, let alone the State provider associations who have been opposed to this, to say, Whoa, we can't do that. That is going to break the system.
What I wish to point out and what I think is another piece of information that has sort of been overlooked, the CBO has estimated the cost to the Internal Revenue Service to implement taxes and penalties and enforce them--I am talking about the IRS now, not CMS, but the IRS that is going to implement and administer and enforce taxes and penalties on the bill--that cost is $10 billion estimated by CBO. That would double the budget size of the IRS. We have to train these people, and then you have to figure out what kind of questions they are going to ask of employers and employees in regard to the fines and the fees, you have to read the fine print. The American people understand this tremendous tax increase is going to be administered by the IRS and that is not going to be a happy circumstance. But those two things that the leader has brought out are absolutely primary in this debate.
I think a side-by-side is a straw man. I think it is very clear about that. I am
happy to comment on that further. I wish to give others an opportunity to speak.
Will the Senator yield for another question?
I would like to get back to the side-by-side amendment allegedly being offered by the chairman of the Finance Committee, the Senator from Montana. I said straw man, and that is pretty harsh, but I intend it to be. We have seen how, if the language is examined, the amendment, at a minimum, is a red herring. You can fairly say the amendment, rather, has no other purpose than to facilitate a strong argument.
On Tuesday, when Senator Crapo laid down his amendment, the majority didn't show us this side-by-side amendment until shortly before we thought--and they thought--we were going to vote. So that very limited notice makes you think it may be more likely to distract from or muddy the clear question the Senator from Idaho brought; that is, the motion to commit before the Senate. The motion was designed to be to be straightforward, and the Senator did that.
A vote for the motion is a vote to send the Reid amendment and underlying bill back to the Finance Committee. Under the motion, the Finance Committee would report back a bill that eliminates the tax increases on middle-income taxpayers. One could not say it anymore simply. That is what the motion does. The other bill is a straw man.
After the remarks by the distinguished leader, I would say this may be a seminal event. I think that is one of the key votes where the other side could start to realize this and start to finalize this without all the rhetoric and ideology and philosophical support for this bill, and they could start the road back, if you will, of doing it in a step-by-step, thoughtful way--doing it, meaning real health care reform.
I commend the Senator. Again, this side-by-side is a straw man. The Senator is clear in what he wants to do. Under the Senator's motion, the Finance Committee would report back a bill that eliminates the tax increases for middle-income taxpayers. We can restart the debate in a bipartisan way, where we can agree on many common goals. I thank the Senator.