Mr. Speaker, by direction of the Committee on Rules, I call up House Resolution 1038 and ask for its immediate consideration. Mr. Speaker, for the purpose of debate only, I yield the customary 30 minutes to the gentleman from Massachusetts…
Mr. Speaker, by direction of the Committee on Rules, I call up House Resolution 1038 and ask for its immediate consideration.
Mr. Speaker, for the purpose of debate only, I yield the customary 30 minutes to the gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr. McGovern), pending which I yield myself such time as I may consume. During consideration of this resolution, all time yielded is for the purpose of debate only.
Mr. Speaker, H. Res. 1038 is a closed rule. It allows 1 hour of debate in the House equally divided and controlled by the chairman and ranking minority member of the Committee on the Judiciary. It waives all points of order against consideration of the bill, and it provides that the amendment in the nature of a substitute as reported by the Committee on the Judiciary shall be considered as adopted. H. Res. 1038 also provides for one motion to recommit with or without instructions.
Mr. Speaker, as you and many others may have noticed, if you look up from the front podium, in the center of the molding above the gallery is a sculpture of Moses, the man who freed the slaves in Egypt and introduced God's law to man. Moses is at the forefront of all of the great legal scholars depicted in this Chamber because of his responsibilities as both a religious leader and the custodian of God's law.
The Ten Commandments are the foundation of common law and the ``rights endowed by our Creator.'' However, in recent decades, the Ten Commandments, religious symbols, and religious liberties in general have been under attack. More specifically, they have been under attack by the same interests that claim to represent civil liberties and free speech.
On July 19, 2005, a month after the Supreme Court ruled on the two Kentucky Ten Commandments cases, United States District Court Judge William O'Kelley ruled in my home State of Georgia that the courthouse in Barrow County, my daughter-in-law's home, had to remove a framed poster of the Ten Commandments and awarded the American Civil Liberties Union, the ACLU, $150,000.
Mr. Speaker, small counties like Barrow cannot afford these costly lawsuits; and my daughter-in-law's parents, Emory and Pat House of Winder, Georgia, experienced an increase in their taxes to help pay for these court costs and the legal fees.
This past July, we had a debate over legislation to preserve the Mount Soledad Veterans Memorial in San Diego, California, from having to remove a cross. Mr. Speaker, one can only wonder how those Korean War veterans, many of whom gave their lives for this country, might have felt had that cross been removed from their memorial cemetery. Thankfully, Mr. Hunter's legislation passed and was signed into law, but I am stunned at how far our society has fallen when people are compelled to sue a major city to have a cross removed from, of all places, a memorial cemetery.
Mr. Speaker, we cannot continue to allow frivolous and, frankly, unwarranted lawsuits to stifle the beliefs and self-determination of our great communities. This is a textbook example of an issue that needs to be addressed by this Congress.
I have always believed that one man's rights end where another man's rights begin, and we need to draw the line to clarify our first amendment and ensure impartiality for legal challenges.
The rule we are debating today would allow for the consideration of H.R. 2679, the Veterans' Memorials, Boy Scouts, Public Seals, and Other Public Expressions of Religion Act of 2006. I want to thank Mr. Hostettler for sponsoring this legislation and Chairman Sensenbrenner for the opportunity to discourage frivolous obstruction to our constitutional rights of religious expression.
The Public Expression of Religion Act would prevent Federal courts from
awarding monetary relief to parties claiming violations based on the constitutionally prohibited ``establishment of religion.'' In addition, H.R. 2679 would prevent plaintiffs who have won such claims from being awarded attorneys' fees and so-called court expenses.
However, what is more concerning is when a defendant decides, a city or county like Barrow and Winder, Georgia, to settle without challenging the frivolous accusations not because they could not win but because they cannot match the challenger's legal war chest. H.R. 2679 will ensure that each party in an Establishment Clause lawsuit shoulders its own costs.
Mr. Speaker, beyond the issue of religious expression, this is an issue about lawsuit reform. We need to move away from this current sue- or-be-sued society, which offers little to no repercussions for those seeking financial gain or the advancement of some personal or political agenda.
As many of my colleagues know, before being elected to this Congress, I had a career as an OB/GYN physician. Most of my patients thought I was a successful, good doctor, but I was in constant fear of medical liability lawsuits, like many of my colleagues, and struggled to make these exorbitant malpractice insurance payments. As a result, one of my primary objectives as a retired doctor now and Member of Congress is to help pass medical malpractice reform and, as a direct result, reduce the cost of health care. What we have with the Establishment Clause litigation is very similar, because the multiple lawsuits tie up our court system and they affect everybody.
Mr. Speaker, the United States Constitution is a revolutionary and sacred document on many levels. Our Founding Fathers had great foresight when they designed our government. The first amendment is an absolute right and should not be misinterpreted to allow these attacks on our freedom of religion. The attack on our religious heritage is just as wrong as denying a person the freedom to worship. The Constitution guarantees freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. And it is my hope that with the passage of this legislation we can prevent future Barrow County rulings and preserve our Nation's heritage.
I ask my colleagues to support this rule and the underlying legislation.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, the previous speaker talking about the rights of people to sue, and that this bill would discourage that right because we are taking away the ability to recover monetary damages or legal fees and court costs, the American Civil Liberties Union probably files most of these lawsuits on behalf of plaintiffs. They have said very clearly that their motivation is not fees, is not compensation. If there were no fees involved, they would continue to file these lawsuits even though in many cases of course there are tremendous legal fees and court costs awarded, monetary damages.
I want to just, Mr. Speaker, in response to the previous speaker, list a few examples of what I am talking about. I mentioned already in my home State of Georgia, Barrow County of the $150,000 cost. And that small struggling county elected to defend themselves. And that is what it ended up costing them.
Another example. The ACLU received $950,000 in a settlement with the city of San Diego in a case involving the San Diego Boy Scouts. The ACLU received $121,000 in Kentucky in a case to remove a Ten Commandments monument outside of the capitol.
The ACLU and two other groups received nearly $550,000 in an Alabama case to remove the Ten Commandments from a courthouse. I could go on and on and on. But in regard to rights, this case as we will hear, I am sure, from the author of the legislation as we discuss the bill, is not about removing anybody's rights under the establishment clause, not at all.
But we are talking about the rights of these small counties and cities, which represent a lot of people, and their ability to defend themselves when they have not violated the Constitution at all. The Constitution calls for a separation of church and state and a freedom from the imposition of a state religion, but it does not call for the total elimination of religion and the removal of a cross from a veterans cemetery in San Diego.
Mr. Speaker, if we continue down this line, pretty soon Moses will be removed from this Chamber based on the same argument. So I say to my friend from the other side that we need a balancing of rights. That is what this is all about. Let's level the playing field. We are not eliminating anybody's constitutional rights under the establishment clause.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 8 minutes to the gentleman from Indiana (Mr. Hostettler), the author of the bill.
(Mr. HOSTETTLER asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield an additional 2 minutes to the gentleman from Indiana for the purpose of clarification and response to the gentleman from Massachusetts.
Mr. Speaker, I have no other requests for time, and I reserve my time for the purpose of closing.
Mr. Speaker, in closing, I want to once again thank Mr. Hostettler for sponsoring the Public Expression of Religion Act and Chairman Sensenbrenner for bringing this legislation to the floor.
Mr. Speaker, the principles of life, liberty, and property make up the foundation of our constitutional Republic. Under liberty, we are guaranteed the freedom to worship as we please, a freedom that should be protected and not taken for granted. The freedom of religion is one of the positive social institutions in our country, and we should encourage this constitutional protection throughout the world.
Almost every State in the Union has chosen to acknowledge God within its State constitutions. However, too often today, overzealous courts have infringed upon an individual's right to worship. Courts have attempted to ban holiday decorations reflecting religious traditions such as Christmas carols or Hanukkah songs from school events. Federal courts have demanded the removal of the Ten Commandments from courthouses across our country, sought to remove the words ``in God we trust'' from our currency, as well as remove emblems from State seals, flags and logos.
As I stated earlier, these attacks on our religious heritage are frivolous and unwarranted. For every decision a court makes, there are countless out-of-court settlements and even more pending lawsuits aimed at removing anything that acknowledges a divine authority.
The debate over religious freedom is old and contentious, but it should be fair. When organizations like the ACLU are rewarded, rewarded, for filing lawsuits, it is not a fair debate. Congress needs to close that loophole, to restore impartiality to our system of justice, and it needs to act on preventing frivolous lawsuits. H.R. 2679, the Public Expression of Religion Act, will help protect the freedom of religion, restore impartiality and reduce lawsuits.
So, Mr. Speaker, I ask my colleagues to support this rule and support the underlying legislation.
Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time, and I move the previous question on the resolution.
The previous question was ordered.