I thank the gentlewoman from Wisconsin for talking about education and talking about the importance of educating all of our young children. Quality education is more important today than ever before with the rapid development of a global…
I thank the gentlewoman from Wisconsin for talking about education and talking about the importance of educating all of our young children.
Quality education is more important today than ever before with the rapid development of a global marketplace. We find that we're competing not just with cities across a State or even cities across the Nation but cities all over the world.
We can't compete with other countries on things like lower wages. There are people who work in other countries for wages that we can't compete with. We can't necessarily compete in terms of location. You don't have to work right next to your coworkers anymore. If you can work across the hall from your coworkers, you can work across the globe from your coworkers. And in manufacturing, if you manufacture something, you don't have to be that close to your customers. You can ship things overnight from almost anywhere. In the global economy when you're trying to get a plant financed, there used to be a time where you had to locate the plant in the United States because you needed financing. Now with worldwide banking, you can put that plant anywhere that you want.
The one reason that businesses would want to locate in the United States or in a particular community is because they know they can find well-educated workers. So education becomes the competitive advantage. And when you start looking at the location, you know you can get the good workers. You know that the communities will benefit by having a good education. We know these communities that invest heavily in education suffer less crime, pay less welfare, and we know the individuals benefit, the students benefit with a good education. There's an old adage that says ``the more you learn, the more you earn.'' The more education you get, the higher your income will be. So we need to focus on education if we're going to maintain our competitiveness.
But, unfortunately, we're finding that we're slipping in terms of math and science on any international basis. We used to be fairly high. We're kind of drifting down. We're kind of in the middle of the pack right now but dropping. We used to be number one in graduating our students from high school. Now we're dropping. We used to be number one in those going to college. We used to be number one by far. Now many countries are having more young people go to college and graduate from college than in the United States.
If the gentlelady would yield, that's why we need to remain competitive and make sure that all of our students have an opportunity to go to college. We need to make sure that they have the knowledge to be successful, and we need to make sure that we are making those investments in early childhood education, in elementary and in secondary, and are making sure that all of our students have access to college. That means we have to make sure we continue to invest in Pell Grants and to reduce the interest on student loans so that everybody can get into college.
One of the things we also have to do is to make sure they have the support, and not only the encouragement, to go to college. They need the financial access but also the support so they can stay in college. That's why the Federal TRIO Programs are so important--Talent Search, Upward Bound, Upward Bound Math and Science, Veterans Upward Bound, and Student Support Services. Once they get into college, there are the educational support centers and the Ronald E. McNair Post-Baccalaureate Achievement Program.
The TRIO Programs encourage low-income and first-generation students to think in terms of college. For many of them, it's just not an expectation in their families, so they think, after high school, that's going to be about it. We need to instill upon them an expectation that, if you can do the work, you ought to continue your education. The TRIO Programs are extremely important in making sure they have not only the financial access but the support once they get there so that they can graduate.
I will yield.
Well, we're not making enough of an investment in Pell. We need to make those investments because the cost of college is going up even more than the increases in Pell Grants. We have done a lot in Pell Grants in the last few years. After several years of no increases, we have made significant increases in Pell Grants, but the Pell Grant still does not pay as much of a portion of your education as it used to. It used to be that, with a Pell Grant, you could almost pay your entire tuition--room and board--at a State college. Now it's about 30 percent, and you've got to come up with the rest. With a Pell Grant, people back in the '60s and in the early '70s could work 15 hours a week at a little part-time job and could work their way through college. Today, even with a Pell Grant and while working 40 hours a week, it is still very difficult to work your way through college. We need to make sure that these opportunities are there.
Even though you have financial access with the Pell Grants, with the student loans, and with the scholarships, you need to make sure that you have the support to get the work done. Many students will start in college and won't finish, and you'll have dropouts not only in high school but also dropouts in college. We need to make sure that they have those services.
The beneficiaries of the TRIO Programs do much better in college completion than those who don't have those support services. You have the counseling, the tutorial, and the other support services that you need. They are so important, and that's why we need to make sure that the TRIO Program funding goes up as much as the funding for financial access, like Pell Grants and student loans. We have to recognize that the investments we make in education are so important and that, if we don't make these investments, we end up paying the bill anyway.
I serve not only on the Education and Labor Committee, but I also serve on the Judiciary Committee, where I chair the Subcommittee on Crime. We know that there is a strong correlation between those who drop out of school and those who end up in the criminal justice system. The high school dropouts are much more likely to end up in prison. Those who graduate from high school and those who go to college are much less likely to get caught up in the criminal justice system. When you look at all of the costs of incarceration and when you look at all of the costs of affordable welfare, if we had made the investments in education to get young people on the right track and to keep
them on the right track, we wouldn't have had to make those expenditures in the criminal justice and social service programs.
So education is extremely important, and it is a much more intelligent use of taxpayer money--investing in education--rather than waiting for young people to drop out of school and to mess up, to join a gang and then get into a bidding war as to how much time they're going to serve in prison.
I saw an article in the last couple of days in New York. For every juvenile incarcerated, they spend about $200,000 a year locking up juveniles. California had the same number--over $200,000 per year per juvenile. You can just think of what kind of education could have been provided a few years before to make sure that the young people got on the right track and stayed on the right track. So investments in education are not only good for the economy and are not only good for the community, but they actually save more money than they cost when you look at the costs of failing to educate the next generation.
I yield.
Thank you.
If the gentlelady would yield, one of the things we need to do is to make sure that we get all of our students headed toward college. You mentioned the impact of finances and the income of parents. One factor is that many parents never went to college, so there is not an expectation that their children will go to college. If your parents went to college, there is really an expectation that you are going to go to college, too. It's not a question of whether you are going to college. After you graduate from high school, it's which college are you going to go to. There is just an expectation.
When you have parents who did not go to college--and this is one of the main focuses of the TRIO Programs--they want to develop that expectation.
When I was in college, I was an Upward Bound counselor, and I could see in the Upward Bound program the profound change in attitude that young people had as the summer went on. At the beginning of the summer, I remember you could ask young people, What are your plans for the future? They would start telling you their plans for the weekend. Later in the program, you'd ask, What are your plans for the future? They'd tell you what courses they needed to take in high school to make sure they could get into college, and they'd tell you the courses that they'd have to take in college in order to get into law school or into medical school. They had planned their futures a lot farther along than just the weekend.
When you have a different perspective and when you start having an expectation that ``my future includes college,'' a lot of things happen. One, you are less likely to use drugs and to get caught up in delinquency because you know that will adversely affect your future.
So just the fact that you're looking at a future, you will much more likely get on the right track and stay on the right track to actually achieve those goals.
I yield.
Well, one of the things we found in our work in Education and Labor and on the Crime Subcommittee is that so many of our young people are not graduating from high school. In some States, in some schools, and they're called drop-out factories, half the children that go to those schools fail to graduate. And so it's important, if we're going to have any kind of society, that we encourage young people to go to college because at least that means they'll get through high school. If you do not pay for education, you will pay for welfare and crime. And so it's important for us, as a society, to make sure that we invest in education so we won't have as much to pay for in crime and welfare, and also, we'll have an educated workforce so that when businesses come to the community and consider moving their businesses to your community, you'll have a well-educated workforce to show off, and you'll also demonstrate that if they bring their business here, their workers will have access to a good education. So it's in everybody's best interest to have a well-educated workforce and to make the investments in education.
The Pell Grants make sure that everybody can have access. A significant reduction in interest on student loans has taken place in the last few years. There are a lot of things that we're doing, and we're helping colleges. We've made significant investments in colleges and how they can help their students. There are a lot of things that we've been doing, but the main focus has got to be to get young people into college, and once they get into college, to make sure they have the support services that the TRIO programs will provide to make sure that they can actually graduate.
You mentioned two-fifths require college. But even more than that require some education past the high school level, some kind of training, some kind of education, maybe not the 4-year college but a 2-year college, or maybe some career training course so that you could learn your trade. There used to be a time where you could get a low-skilled job, keep it for 40 years and then retire. The jobs of today require continual learning, lifelong learning. You've got to be retrained. A lot of jobs have become obsolete. Instead of one job for a long time, most people will have four or five or six jobs during their careers. It's important to make sure that you can learn and you have lifelong learning so that you can keep up with the new jobs. Most, 40 percent require college, but virtually all of them, good jobs, will require some kind of education past the high school level.
There are direct consequences of spending more money on education, one of which is that the average income of those who you have invested in, the average income will go up, better known from a budget perspective as more taxable income. And so those that you invest in and have more taxable income will be able to help fund the government. That is on the plus side.
On the minus side, if you do not educate the people, they are much more likely to be involved in crime and welfare, better known as expenditures. So instead of getting more revenue, you end up with more expenditures.
So we need to make sure that we make these investments in education so more and more of our students go on to college. And we know what works. We know that TRIO works. The TRIO programs, the Talent Search, Upward Bound, Upward Bound Math-Science, and Veterans Upward Bound all help students think about college and get them on track to college.
The Student Support Services, Educational Opportunity Centers, and the Ronald E. McNair Postbaccalaureate Achievement Programs help students once they get to college. They are involved in those programs and are much more likely to graduate and complete their education, making sure they will be much more contributing members of society. And we know they work. There are currently 2,800 TRIO programs that are serving 850,000 low-income and first-generation students.
Now, you can only imagine that without TRIO, many of these students wouldn't even be thinking about college. And if you just look around the country, many of these programs have waiting lists, young people that are trying to get the help of a TRIO program, but because we haven't funded them adequately, there are not enough slots and they have to languish and perhaps not get an education because
they didn't get the services that they needed.
We need to make sure those investments are there. If you're looking long term in the budget, we need to make sure that people are self- sufficient, not depending on government. The investments we make in education in the long-term budget perspective are investments that need to be made.
And if we don't make the investments that we're talking about today, this may be the first generation that has a lower achievement of education than their previous generation. Right now, many children of college-educated parents are not going to college. We are very close to having this generation less educated than last. That will be the first time in American history that that has ever taken place.
I would agree. And I have introduced, as you know, the Youth Promise Act, which looks at a comprehensive approach to investing in our young people, getting them on the right track, keeping them on the right track rather than waiting for them to drop out of school, mess up, and then spend all the money on incarceration.
If we take a comprehensive approach, we have found that you are more likely to save money in the long run--indeed, certainly even in the short run. Comprehensive approaches to juvenile crime, one in Pennsylvania where they spent $60 million investing in young people--in a couple of years they figured they saved $300 million. Those kinds of results happen all over the country when you take a comprehensive approach, making sure young people can get on the right track and stay on the right track and get out of what the Children's Defense Fund calls the cradle-to-prison pipeline and get into the cradle-to-college or cradle-to-workforce pipelines. Those pipelines, the college and workforce pipelines, are actually cheaper to construct than a cradle- to-prison pipeline where you spend huge sums of money locking people up. You don't get the benefit of the increased earnings; you just end up spending all the money on crime and welfare.
So if we make the right investments in getting young people on the right track and keeping them on the right track, we not only have a better society, but the budget will look better.
I want to thank the gentlewoman from Wisconsin for her hard work. She has benefited from the TRIO Program, so she knows firsthand as I do, as a counselor in college. I spent 3 years as a counselor in the Upward Bound Program, noticing the profound change from the beginning of the program to the end of the program.
We need to make sure these opportunities and this guidance is made available to all students to make sure they can get into college and then to support services once they get there so that they can graduate. These are important programs.
I thank the gentlelady for organizing this Special Order and I thank the gentlelady from Texas for joining us.