Mr. President, let me compliment the distinguished acting leader. He correctly states the content of the conversation that we had which included the majority leader. The custom, in recent history anyway, has been to accumulate amendments…
Mr. President, let me compliment the distinguished acting leader. He correctly states the content of the conversation that we had which included the majority leader. The custom, in recent history anyway, has been to accumulate amendments and then have the votes stacked to occur at a certain time. That is well and good, if you know how many amendments you have. We don't have a finite list of amendments. That is one thing we need. If Senators would let us know which amendments they intend to offer, we can probably manage this bill more efficiently and save time for everybody.
We want to finish the bill tonight. That is my intention. I think that is
the intention of the acting Democratic leader as well.
The regular order is, if you have an amendment, come and offer it. We will debate it and dispose of it. We will give you a vote on it and move to table it or we will accept it.
Senator Bingaman is here with an amendment. It is an important amendment. I understand that he is going to seek the floor and offer that amendment. We will debate it and dispose of it.
I very much thank the two leaders for their effort to help move this bill along and ensure that the votes we have are held to a minimum amount of time. We are going to try to enforce that.
I thank everybody concerned.
Mr. President, after looking at this amendment, I see it clearly increases mandatory spending and, if adopted, would cause the underlying bill to exceed the committee's section 302(a) allocation. Therefore, I raise a point of order against the amendment pursuant to section 302(f) of the Congressional Budget Act of 1974.
I ask for the yeas and nays on that.
Mr. President, I move to reconsider the vote.
Mr. President, the Senator from Nevada is exactly correct in the fact that we are going to have to have more cooperation to move this bill along. We agreed before this vote that we could cut off votes after 20 minutes. We had the endorsement of that by the majority leader. But because Senators were on their way to vote and people told us they were on their way to vote, the vote dragged out longer than that.
I hope Senators will cooperate with the managers of the bill and leadership and let's get here and vote when the buzzer sounds and not wait until the last minute. These votes are going to be cut short. I hope everyone will cooperate with us.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that, notwithstanding the order previously entered, the distinguished Senator from Maine be recognized up to 10 minutes.
Mr. President, I thank the distinguished Senator from Maine for her contribution to the legislation we have before us today. She has been a leader in this effort, and we always appreciate the opportunity of working with her. I thank her for her kind comments as well.
Mr. President, I am advised this amendment would really be a recipe for gridlock in that it mandates new requirements for the Forest Service as well as the Bureau of Land Management--processes they have to carry out and go through before they can engage in any fuel treatment processes.
It would require the Forest Service, for example, to prepare a plan for treatment of slash that contains all of the information and data specified in the amendment of the Senator from New Mexico. It opens up the Forest Service to legal challenges if someone has the opinion that the plan is inadequate for some reason. It forces the Forest Service to set up a new system for tracking the implementation of fuels treatment projects, and any followup treatments to them.
The amendment would add new reporting processes to hazardous fuel work. The amendment calls for the development of a plan which is already required but requires the agencies to develop multiyear treatment plans and report on those plans on an annual basis.
The whole purpose of this legislation is to try to help simplify and get the work done that needs to be done to reduce the chances of devastating fires like we have seen in California, to manage the forests in a more effective way, a safer way, for those who live in those areas, and to get more done in terms of enhancing survivability from insect infestation and generally improve the overall health of our national forest resources.
The Forest Service is going to end up spending more time, the Bureau of Land Management as well, in their offices working on plans, than out doing the work that they were actually hired to do under existing legislation. This amendment is, as I have said before, a recipe for gridlock. I urge that the amendment be opposed.
I don't know of any other Senators who wish to speak on the amendment. I will be prepared to move to table the amendment when those who want to speak have been heard.
Mr. President, I move to table the amendment and ask for the yeas and nays.
Mr. President, I move to reconsider the vote, and I move to lay that motion on the table.
The motion to lay on the table was agreed to.
Mr. President, I thank the distinguished Senator from New Mexico for this suggested change to the bill. It actually could be argued it is duplicative of a provision that is already in the bill at the request of Senator Wyden and Senator Feinstein, but it is not wholly inconsistent. We think it can be worked into the bill and will not cause confusion, so I am prepared to recommend that the Senate accept the amendment. I hope the Senate will vote for the amendment.
Mr. President, there has been considerable attention paid to the provisions of the House-passed bill which was referred to in our Committee on Agriculture. The version the House passed has the same provisions that would change substantially the judicial review and appeals provisions of current law. When we were looking at the bill in our committee, it was decided that while we didn't disagree with the objectives of the House, we thought that there could be more appropriate language which would help ensure that litigation and appeals weren't abused to the extent that they created impasses and gridlock in the process.
I have to give credit to the distinguished Senator from Oregon, Mr. Wyden, and the distinguished Senator from California, Mrs. Feinstein, for coming up with suggestions for changes that were included in this bill that is now before the Senate. It was included in the language of the compromise that we made to substantially change title I as it relates to the judicial review section of the bill.
Let me point out that it balances risk, which is what this is about. Looking at ramifications of approving or not approving a fuel reduction project can be explained by looking at certain examples from which we have learned. On the Kenai Peninsula in south-central Alaska, for instance, over 300,000 acres of forest have been lost to a spruce bark beetle infestation which we are told could have been avoided but was not because of litigation and appeals that were generated over the project's proposal. The Dixie National Forest has 112,000 acres that have been devastated by the spruce bark beetle as well which could have been prevented with treatment but was slowed by the appeals and litigation in that situation.
Over the last 3 years, bark beetles have ravaged forests around Lake Arrowhead in the San Bernardino National Forest in southern California causing an 80-percent mortality rate and substantially increasing the fuel loads of that forest.
What I am afraid we are going to see if the Leahy amendment is approved is a reversal of efforts that we have made to come to a new approach which we think will improve forest help. We still have rigorous environmental safeguards in place, but the suggestions that courts do not bog down the process with endless appeals and litigation is one of the goals of this legislation.
I don't know if other Senators want to be heard on this amendment. But I would be prepared, after Senators have had an opportunity to express themselves, if they want to debate this issue, to move to table the Leahy amendment.
I move to table the Leahy amendment, and I ask for the yeas and nays.