Mr. President, I have a resolution for myself, Senator Durbin, Senator Mikulski, and Senator Shaheen, which I send to the desk and ask for its immediate consideration. Mr. President, I am sorry my good friend from Tennessee had to object,…
Mr. President, I have a resolution for myself, Senator Durbin, Senator Mikulski, and Senator Shaheen, which I send to the desk and ask for its immediate consideration.
Mr. President, I am sorry my good friend from Tennessee had to object, but I understand. We are going to engage for some time now on the Senate floor in a discussion on the filibuster, something that has been around a long time but which, in the last several years, few years--I would not say ``several''--in the last 20, 30 years, has gotten to the point where it has paralyzed the Senate and has paralyzed the country.
I intend to make some remarks for a while. I appreciate my friend from Tennessee and also my friend from Kansas who is here. I hope we can engage in a nice colloquy and a discussion about this in a back- and-forth way. I look forward to doing that. I do wish to take some time to at least lay out my case, as I did 15 years ago--I am sorry, 16 years ago. On January 4, 1995, I submitted this same resolution. I was a member of the minority party in the Senate for the first time in 8 years. When I first came to the Senate, the Republicans were in charge and then the Democrats got in charge and then the Republicans got in charge and then the Democrats got in charge and then the Republicans got in charge and then the Democrats got in charge. Since I have been here, since 1985, five times the Senate has changed hands.
I note that at the beginning of that Congress in 1995, the Republicans outnumbered Democrats 53 to 47, the same majority-minority ratio that exists today, just on the other side. Even though I was opposed to the then-majority party's agenda, I submitted the
same basic resolution to change the Senate rules regarding the filibuster.
My plan would have ensured ample debate and deliberation. The stated purpose of a filibuster is to have debate and deliberation. But it would also have allowed a bill or nominee to receive a ``yes'' or ``no'' vote. Unfortunately, my proposal did not pass. It received 19 votes. My cosponsors were Senator Lieberman, Senator Pell, and Senator Robb of Virginia.
I submitted my bill--and if you care to go back and read that debate, it is the January 4, 1995, Congressional Record in the Senate. I saw an escalating arms race, where each side ratcheted up the use of the filibuster. That is what I called it then.
Sadly, in the intervening years, my prediction has been fulfilled. The sad reality is that today, because of the indiscriminate use of the filibuster, the ability of our government to legislate and to address problems is severely jeopardized. Sixteen years after I first submitted my proposal, it is even more apparent that for our government to properly function, we must reform and curb the use of the filibuster.
The filibuster was once an extraordinary tool used in the rarest of circumstances. When many people think of the filibuster, many times it brings to mind the classic film of ``Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.'' It is ironic that in 1939, the year Frank Capra filmed ``Mr. Smith,'' there were zero filibusters in the Senate. From 1917 across the entire 19th century--for 100 years--there were 23 filibusters in 100 years. Indeed, through 1879, there were only four. From 1917, when the Senate first adopted rules to end the filibuster, until 1969, there were fewer than 50--less than 1 filibuster a year. Unfortunately, since then, the number has skyrocketed.
The current concerns I raise are not new. The problem has become far more serious. In 1982, my good friend and colleague, Senator Dale Bumpers of Arkansas, said this about the filibuster: ``Unless we recognize that things are out of control and procedures have to be changed, we'll never be an effective legislative body again.'' That was 1982.
During the 2 years of that Congress, there were 31 filibusters as measured by the number of cloture motions filed. In 1985, former Senator Thomas Eagleton of Missouri remarked:
The Senate is now in the state of incipient anarchy. The
filibuster, once used, by and large, as an occasional
exercise in civil rights matters, has now become a routine
frolic in almost all matters. Whereas our rules were devised
to guarantee full and free debate, they now guarantee
unbridled chaos.
That was 1985, my first year here. But during that Congress there were 40 filibusters.
Again, I wish to refer to the number of filibusters as a visual aid to see what has happened.
As we go back to 88th, 89th, 90th, and on up, we can see the number of filibusters escalating from less than 10 a year--4 or 5--up to almost 140, 139. In 1994, former Republican Senator Charles Mathias of Maryland said:
Today, filibusters are far less visible but far more
frequent. The filibuster has become an epidemic,--
An epidemic. That is former Republican Senator Charles Mathias--
used whenever a coalition can find 41 votes to oppose
legislation. The distinction between voting against
legislation and blocking a vote between opposing and
obstructing has nearly disappeared.
That was Senator Mathias of Maryland.
During that Congress, again right before I first submitted legislation to modify the filibuster, there were 80 filibusters that year. If I may quote myself, 1 year after Senator Mathias made his statement about the filibuster, this is what I said in 1995:
It is used, Mr. President, as blackmail, for one Senator to
get his or her way on something they could not rightfully win
through the normal process. I am not accusing any one party
of this. It happens on both sides of the aisle.
I said that in 1995. Quoting myself from the Record:
Mr. President, I believe each Senator needs to give up a
little of our pride, a little of our prerogatives, and a
little of our power for the good of this Senate and the good
of this country. I think the voters of this country were
turned off by the constant bickering, the arguing back and
forth that goes on in this Senate Chamber, the gridlock that
ensued here, the pointing of fingers of blame. Sometimes in
the fog of debate, like the fog of war, it is hard to
determine who is responsible for slowing something down. It
is like shifting sand. People hide behind the filibuster. I
think it is time to let the voters know that we have heard
their message in the last election.
I said this in 1995.
They did not send us here to bicker and to argue and to point fingers. They want us to get things done to address the concerns facing this country. They want us to reform this place. They want this place to operate a little better, a little more openly, and a little more decisively.
I said that when the Republicans were in charge.
With all those filibusters, it was not until the 110th and 111th Congress that the true scope of the filibuster abuse would truly be realized. In the 110th Congress, there were an astonishing 139 motions to end filibusters. In the 111th, there were 136--275 filibusters in just 4 years.
The fact is, in successive Congresses, Democrats and Republicans have made the filibuster an everyday weapon of obstruction, not as a way to ensure debate and deliberation but as a way of obstruction. I say both sides have done it. I said that in 1995. I predicted an escalating arms race. I said: If we do not do something about it, it is going to get worse--and, unfortunately, it has.
On almost a daily basis, one Senator is able to use just the threat of a filibuster to stop bills from coming to the floor for debate and amendment. In the past Congress, we started seeing the minority filibuster bills they did not even object to solely in order to slow down unrelated measures they did oppose. The result is a legislative process that is simply overwhelmed, squeezing out the ability to do important, relatively noncontroversial legislation.
It is no accident that Norm Ornstein, the esteemed congressional scholar, wrote an article, titled ``Our Broken Senate,'' in which he wrote that ``the expanded use of formal rules on Capitol Hill is unprecedented and is bringing the government to its knees.''
Just the other day, I received a petition signed by nearly 300 top historians, legal scholars, and political scientists urging Senators ``to restore majority rule to the United States Senate.'' I ask unanimous consent to have this petition printed in the Record.
Mr. President, last month, our former colleagues, Gary Hart, a Democrat, and Chuck Hagel, a Republican, published an essay in Time magazine calling on us to ``restore democracy to the U.S. Senate'' by reforming the filibuster. In their words, the abuse of the filibuster ``is no way to govern a great democracy.''
I ask unanimous consent to have that essay printed in the Record.
Mr. President, editorialists from across the country have recognized the filibuster must end. The Concord Monitor of New Hampshire called on the Senate to ``Remove the Senate filibuster roadblock,'' noting, ``The filibuster rule has rendered the Senate dysfunctional and harmed the nation's ability to deal with pressing issues.''
The Los Angeles Times said `` . . . both parties should be willing to eliminate such anti-democratic practices as the filibuster. . . .''
Editorials throughout the country have called for reform of the filibuster. I ask unanimous consent to have printed in the Record these editorials.
Mr. President, 275 filibusters in 4 years is not just a cold statistic; it represents the minority blocking measures that sometimes--not all the time but sometimes--enjoy broad support among the American people. Just in the last Congress, the filibuster was used to kill many bills that enjoyed majority and often bipartisan support. Need I mention the DREAM Act? It had broad bipartisan support and big support among the American people. There was the DISCLOSE Act, which polls showed that over 80 percent of the American people supported. We had a majority vote here for it, but we didn't have a supermajority. So it is no surprise that Americans are fed up and angry with their Federal Government. In too many critical areas, people see a legislature that is simply unable to respond effectively to the most urgent challenges of our time.
Make no mistake, the problem goes beyond the sheer number of filibusters. This once-rare tactic is now used or threatened to be used on virtually every measure and nominee, even those who may enjoy near universal support. In the past Congress, for nearly 8 months, the minority filibustered confirmation of Martha Johnson as Administrator of the General Services Administration--certainly a relatively noncontroversial position. She was ultimately confirmed 96 to 0. So what was that filibuster all about? And for nearly 5 months, the minority filibustered confirmation of Barbara Keenan to the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals. She was ultimately confirmed 99 to 0.
What was that filibuster all about?
Again, to quote Norm Ornstein:
The Senate has taken the term ``deliberative'' to a new
level, slowing not just contentious legislation but also
bills that have overwhelming support.
Secondly, the filibuster has increasingly been used to prevent consideration of bills and nominees. Rather than to serve to ensure the representation of minority views and to foster debate and deliberation, by filibustering motions to proceed, the minority has been allowed to prevent debate and prevent deliberation. The filibuster has been used to defeat bills and nominees without their ever receiving a discussion here on the floor of the Senate. In other words, the Senate, which was formerly renowned as the world's greatest deliberative body, has now become the world's greatest nondeliberative body. We can't even debate important national issues.
That is why I fully support the commonsense proposals to reform the filibuster and restore the Senate to a body in which issues can be fully debated and deliberated. I support eliminating the filibuster on the motion to proceed, and I believe those who are filibustering a bill or a nominee should be required to come to the floor, hold the floor, and make their case to their colleagues and the American people. Senators should not be able to hide behind a curtain of secret holds. The reality is, however, because of the filibuster, the minority has unchecked veto power in this body.
Now, I want to make it clear, when I say ``the minority,'' I am not talking about the Republicans; I am talking about the minority. It may be the Democrats or it may be the Republicans. As I said, five times it has changed since I have been--since 1985. When I say ``the minority,'' I mean the minority; I don't mean a political party.
This is what James Madison noted when rejecting a supermajority requirement to pass legislation:
. . . it would no longer be the majority that would rule,
the power would be transferred to the minority.
Unfortunately, Madison's prediction has come true. We are the only Democratic body that I know of in the world where the minority, not the majority, controls. In today's Senate, American democracy is turned on its head. The minority rules; the majority is blocked. The majority has responsibility and accountability but lacks the power to govern. The minority has power but lacks accountability and responsibility. This means the minority can block bills that would improve the economy, create jobs, and turn around and blame the majority for not fixing the economy. The minority can block popular legislation and then accuse the majority of being ineffective.
I repeat, when I say ``the minority,'' I am not saying Republicans or Democrats; I am saying the minority, whoever it may happen to be. Both parties have abused the filibuster in the past, and both will, absent real reform, abuse the filibuster in the future. Although Republicans are currently in the minority, there is no question that control of this body will change, as it periodically does.
The fact is, reform is urgently needed. That is why I am reintroducing my proposal which would permit a decreasing majority of Senators over a period of days to invoke cloture on a given matter. Under my proposal, a determined minority could slow down any bill. Senators would have ample time to make their arguments and attempt to persuade the public and a majority of their colleagues. This protects the rights of the minority to full and vigorous debate and deliberation, maintaining the hallmark of the Senate. But at the end of ample debate, the majority should be allowed to act. There should be an up-or-down vote on legislation or a nominee. As former Senator Henry Cabot Lodge, a Republican, stated many years ago, ``To vote without debating is perilous, but to debate and never vote is imbecile.''
My plan has another advantage. The fact is that right now, the minority has no incentive to compromise. Not only do they know they have the power to block legislation, but they can go out and campaign on the message that the majority can't get anything done. In contrast, if the minority knows that at the end of a period of time a bill or nominee will be subject to majority vote, they will be more willing to come to the table and negotiate seriously. Likewise, the majority would want to compromise because they want to save time. There is nothing more valuable to the majority party in the Senate than time.
So under my proposal, on the first cloture vote, you would need 60 votes.
If you don't get 60 votes, you would have another vote in 3 days and you would need 57 votes; in 3 more days, 54 votes; 3 more days, 51 votes. So the majority would finally act, but you would chew up almost 2 weeks of time. So on the first vote, let's say 53 Senators voted for cloture. Well, the minority would know that in several days or maybe in a couple weeks' time, 53 Senators will get cloture. The minority then would go to the majority and say: Look, we can drag this out for a couple of weeks, chew up all your time, but we have some things we would like to have considered. The majority--and I say there is nothing more important to the majority than time here--not wanting to spend a couple weeks on a bill, on a cloture or a filibuster, would say: OK, maybe we can make an agreement. We will collapse the timeframe, the minority gets some of the things they want, and the majority is able then to have a vote. So I see my proposal as a means of encouraging compromise. Right now, there is no reason to compromise for the minority.
Again, I am not talking about Republicans or Democrats; I say ``the minority'' because they know they can absolutely block it.
I have changed my resolution since I introduced it in 1995, and I have changed it because Republicans have said and I heard the minority leader say earlier that they have done this because Democrats in the majority--the majority this time--have employed procedural matters to deprive the Republicans of the right to offer amendments. Well, I am very sympathetic to this argument. That is why I included in this resolution a guaranteed right to offer germane amendments to the minority, filed in advance of the cloture vote so everyone would know what was coming. Again, the minority should have the right to offer some amendments that are germane to the bill. No matter who the majority is, both parties are concerned about amendments from the minority. Perhaps you have a bill dealing with housing and someone wants to offer an amendment dealing with abortion. Well, there may be a time and place for that but not on that bill. So that is why I say it should be germane to the bill. If the minority has ideas to improve the bill, strike something from the bill, that would be germane to that bill.
I have heard it said--and I heard it on the radio this morning driving in--that this is something like a power grab by a Democratic Senator reacting to recent elections in which my party lost numerous seats. Well, I want to make clear that the reforms I advocate are not about one party or one agenda gaining an unfair advantage; it is about the Senate as an institution operating more fairly, effectively, and democratically. Again, I wish to point out that I first offered this in 1995 when I was in the minority. So to use the legal term, I come here with clean hands. The truth is, with Republicans controlling the House, any final legislation will need to be bipartisan with or without the filibuster.
So I don't see reform of the filibuster as a Democratic or Republican issue. Indeed, it was former Republican majority leader Senator Frist who, when he nearly shut this body down over the use of filibusters on a handful of judges, said:
This filibuster is nothing less than a formula for tyranny
by the minority.
That was in 2004, Senator Frist, the Republican majority leader at that time.
Well, as I said, one of the problems here was this was done in the middle of a term. See, I think the Senate ought to be able to set its rules at the beginning, on the first legislative day, which we are in now and which will extend for some time. The Senate ought to be able to set its rules at the beginning of a Congress. You can't go changing the rules every month, but you should be able to set the rules at the beginning of a Congress so that you know for 2 years what the rules are that you are operating under.
So it is time for the arms race to end. That is what this is--it is an arms race. I daresay that if we don't do anything about this, if the Republicans take control of the Senate, as they think they will in 2 years, well, Democrats are going to do the same thing to them. Guarantee it. Guarantee it. The Republicans did--what did I say?--136 filibusters--139? Bet your bottom dollar, if we don't change the rules, Democrats will match them. You wait and see.
Well, a lot of people sometimes say: Well, Harkin, what you are advocating is the Senate would become like the House. I ask my friends and any Senator on either side of the aisle, since when did the Senate become defined by rule XXII, which is the filibuster? Why does that define the Senate? I thought the Senate was defined by the fact that you get two Senators from every State--two Senators from North Dakota, two Senators from California, two Senators from New York, two Senators from Iowa. I thought the Senate was defined by the fact that we have unlimited debate. When a Senator gets the floor, you can't take it away from him. We operate under unanimous consent. The power of one single Senator would remain. But in the Senate, what do we do? We do treaties, we do nominations, we sit in judgment on impeachments. The Senate is not like the House. And just because we don't have the filibuster as we have known it for the last 94 years does not mean the Senate becomes like the House. Eliminating the filibuster will not change the basic nature of the Senate. So I say to those who say the Senate would be like the House if we did away with this filibuster, would they also suggest that the Senate of Henry Clay or Daniel Webster or Lyndon Johnson or Everett Dirksen was the same as the House of Representatives? I don't think so.
The fact is, what was never intended was that a supermajority of 60 votes would be needed to enact virtually any piece of legislation or for any nominee. In fact, the Framers of the Constitution were very clear about where a supermajority is required. There were only five in the original Constitution: ratification of a treaty, override of a veto, votes of impeachment, passage of a constitutional amendment, and expulsion of a Member. If they wanted to have supermajorities, they would have said so. But it is not in the Constitution. The filibuster is not in the Constitution.
The first Senate expressly included a rule permitting the majority to end debate and bring a measure to a vote by moving the previous question. I repeat: The first Senate--the first Senate--had a rule that permitted the majority to end debate. Alexander Hamilton explained that a supermajority requirement would mean a small minority could ``destroy the energy of government.''
Hamilton said that the government would be subject to the ``caprice or artifices of an insignificant, turbulent or corrupt junta.'' Those are Hamilton's words.
Moreover, reform of filibuster rules stands squarely within the tradition of updating Senate rules as needed to foster an effective government that can respond to the challenges of the day. The Senate has adopted rules that forbid the filibuster in certain cases, such as the War Powers Act and the budget. Imagine that. What should be more debatable than the budget? But our rules do not permit a filibuster of the budget. So we passed rules here limiting the filibuster.
Since 1917, we have passed four significant reforms concerning the filibuster. The fact is, as Senator Tom Udall has powerfully made clear, article I, section 5, clause 2 of the Constitution specifies that ``each House may determine the rules of its proceedings.''
As Senator Robert Byrd, who was opposed to filibuster reform--he and I had a great debate back in 1995 on this--as he emphasized, and he said this--Senator Byrd: ``At any time that 51 Senators are determined to change the rule . . . that rule can be changed.''
I am reading here from what Senator Byrd said. He said at that time:
The Constitution in article I, section 5 says that each
House shall determine the rules of its proceedings. Now we
are at the beginning of Congress. This Congress is not
obliged to be bound by the dead hand of the past.
``The dead hand.''
I listened to the minority leader when he said we have--the majority has never changed rules except by following those rules. The rules set down by a Congress a long time ago, by a Senate a long time ago, said that in order to change the rules, you need a two-thirds vote of the Senate. I submit that is unconstitutional. I submit that this Congress, this Senate, on this first legislative day, does not have to abide
by that. What if, in some Senate, one party got 90 Senators one time, and they adopted a rule that said that from here on out, you have to have 90 votes in order to change the rules, here are the rules, and they set up rules that pretty much made it impossible for the minority to ever become the majority? Would that be constitutional? I don't think so.
Senator Byrd said we are not obliged to be bound by the dead hand of the past. The first Senate, Senator Byrd said, which met in 1789, approved 19 rules by majority vote. Those rules have been changed from time to time. So the Members of the Senate who met in 1789 and approved that first body of rules did not for one moment think or believe or pretend that all succeeding Senates would be bound by that Senate.
Here is the essence of what Senator Byrd said:
It is my belief--which has been supported by rulings of
Vice Presidents of both parties and by votes of the Senate--
in essence upholding the power and right of a majority of the
Senate to change the rules of the Senate at the beginning of
a new Congress.
I would say Senator Byrd has not been alone in his views or tactics. The constitutional option has been endorsed by three Vice Presidents and three times by the Senate itself. Why was it not used? Because Senators then reached a compromise, and therefore we never had the constitutional option. But that does not mean we cannot use that. The Constitution is very clear. I think three votes of the Senate and three former Vice Presidents have made clear in their rulings that at the beginning of a Congress, we can set the rules.
Chief Justice John Marshall once said:
Any enduring Constitution must be able to respond to the
various crises of human affairs.
I said many times that I don't believe we can be a 21st-century superpower bound by archaic rules of the 19th century. We have to have a responsive government, responding to the challenges of our time.
I am not afraid. I say to my friends on the Republican side, I am not afraid. What the minority leader said--he said that at some time the Republicans might be in charge, and they might want to undo what the Democrats did, and the Democrats better be careful. That was in his op- ed piece in the Post this morning. I am not afraid of democracy. I am not afraid of the votes of the people. If the people vote to put certain conservatives in power, then they ought to have the right to govern. They ought to have the right to respond to the people of this country. The minority--I would be in the minority at that time--I think the minority ought to have the right to be heard, we ought to have the right to debate, we ought to have the right to amend, but we should not have the right to totally obstruct. I am not afraid.
People say that the tea party in the House--they are going to do all this stuff. I am sorry, I am not afraid. The people voted. There ought to be things that happen because people vote a certain way. No wonder so many people are frustrated. They vote, they think things are going to happen, they don't happen, and they say: A pox on both your Houses.
So, yes, I don't know why we should be so afraid of each other. Why should I be afraid that the Republicans are going to institute legislation I don't like? They have in the past, and our country has endured. I would say there are times when the Democrats have passed legislation Republicans did not like and our country has endured. So I just do not like this fear, that we have to be afraid that somehow the majority is going to do things.
What we want to make sure of is that the rights of the minority are guaranteed--the right to be heard, the right of the minority to offer amendments. But I don't think it ought to be the right of the minority to obstruct, and I don't think it ought to be the right of the minority to demand that their views be implemented. That is the right of the majority.
I close where I began, and I thank my friends for this indulgence. I believe the bedrock of the principle of our Constitution, our Founders, was majority rule with respect for minority rights. But I say this, and I have said it many times. It is kind of the dirty little secret of the Senate. And here is the dirty little secret: The power of an individual Senator comes not by what he can do but by what he can stop. That is the dirty little secret of the Senate. One Senator can stop something, can block it. I say that each Senator--each of us needs to give up a little of our privilege, give up a little of our power, give up a little of our prerogatives for the greater good of this country.
I yield the floor.
I will respond to my friend from Tennessee who makes cogent arguments, as he always does. He is a good friend of mine, and we have worked together on a lot of things. I hope this is the beginning of some colloquies we can have here. I do want to indulge and let other Senators have their say because they were so kind to let me have my say too. But I intend to be here as long as anybody wants to say anything or to engage in some colloquies here on the Senate floor.
I say to my friend from Tennessee, that as I listened to him, and I did very carefully, there are a couple of things I want to point out in terms of this idea of a filibuster and being able to amend things. My friend referred many times to the health care bill. I do not know if my friend said this, but I have heard it said that we wrote it behind closed doors and all of that kind of stuff.
Let me point out that when it came to our committee, the HELP Committee, we had 13 days of markup, 54 hours. We allowed any amendment to be offered. The Senator is a member of that committee. We allowed any Senator on our committee to offer any amendment. We adopted 161 Republican amendments, either through some votes, which they won, or through just adopting the amendments. Then after that, after all of that, all Republicans voted no. That is fine. There are a lot of times I know in the past when I have had an amendment on a bill which I thought improved it, but overall I did not like the bill, and I voted against it. I think that is the right of the minority. But then to obstruct it and to try to obstruct it to keep it from even being enacted I do not think is right. So I would say to my friend that I do not think the health care bill is a good example.
I say to my friend, he quoted someone, I think maybe it may have been Senator Reid, saying, do people think they are wiser than our Founding Fathers. Please show me where our Founding Fathers ever set up a system where the Senate could have unlimited debate? They never did that. It is not in the Constitution.
As I pointed out, the first Senate actually had the motion, the previous question, to cut off debate. And they did not set up a majoritarian House. Article I section 5, I say to my friend from Tennessee, article I, section 5 is very clear. Each House sets up its rules. If the new majority in the House wanted to, they could set up rules to be like the Senate. They could do that. They could set up rules however they wanted, as long as they were constitutional. I suppose someone could take it to court to see if it was constitutional. But they do not have to operate under those rules. We do not have to operate under these rules. The Constitution gives us the right to change those rules.
Our Founding Fathers never set up this system, by the way, never. There is no mention of it anywhere in the Constitution. They did not set up a majoritarian House, they set up article I, section 5, which said each House can set up its own rules. But then in the Constitution, they outlined certain prerogatives. The Senate has certain prerogatives, the House has certain prerogatives, such as, for example, all bills of revenue have to originate in the House, not in the Senate. Treaties are done by the Senate, not by the House. But they never set up any kind of majoritarian type of thing.
I say to my friend, on the filibuster, I think there is a reason for a filibuster. I think there ought to be filibusters. I think there ought to be times when the minority can slow down things in order to get their views heard, or in order for them to be able to offer amendments, to make the bill better, in their views. That is the right of the minority.
I do not think it is the right of any minority--I say minority. When I say that, I am not talking about Republicans. I am saying any minority here. I do not think it is the right of any minority here to say, if I do not get my way, I am going stop everything. That is kind of what I see happening around here. If I do not get my way, one Senator can stop things.
I point out one other bill, I say to my friend from Tennessee, that I thought was a great bipartisan bill. We worked hard on it in our committee. The Senator from Tennessee was instrumental. That was the food safety bill. We reported it out of our committee a year ago in November, unanimous vote. Everyone voted for it, Republicans and Democrats on our committee. We got it out. But there were some things in the bill that Senators not on our committee, and maybe one Senator on our committee, did not like. So we had to work through the ensuing months to get everybody onboard and to work it out, which is fine. I have no problems with that. That is the legislative process. I have patience. As my friend from Kansas knows, I have a lot of patience working on farm bills. They take time.
But we worked it all out. And yet one Senator, one Senator who really disagreed with it, was able to hold it up from coming on the floor. We finally got it on the floor, but it took almost a year. One Senator was able to do that.
So I say, one Senator should be able to have the right to offer amendments, to be heard, but not to stop everything. I guess that is what I come down to, I say to my friend from Tennessee, that there ought to be a--I think there is a reason and a good reason for the Senate to be that saucer that cools things down, the story about Jefferson and Washington. But it should be at some point in time where the majority has not only the authority but the power to act after a due consideration and a due period of time.
I believe, I say to my friend in all sincerity, that will promote more compromise than the present system. You may disagree, but I feel that would. I am not trying to take away compromise. I believe in compromise. I believe in working things out. As chairman of the Agriculture Committee for two farm bills, we worked things out. I am sure there were things in the farm bill that the Senator from Kansas did not like, and there were things in there that I did not like, even though I was chairman. But you work these things out. You compromise and you get things done. So I believe in that spirit of compromise. But I think what we have here now--and that escalating arms race--is doing away with that spirit of compromise and working things out and moving things. That is why I think we have to change the rules.
I do not know if I adequately responded to my friend from Tennessee, but these were my thoughts at the end. I am looking forward to other comments from other Senators and engaging in our colloquies. I promise I will not take so long.
Madam President, I thank my friend from Kansas. I think he makes some good points.
I would say to my friend, I think we ought to go through processes in our committees to have hearings on nominees to flush out things such as that. So to that extent, the Senator from Kansas is right. We should not have, especially if there is any controversy at all--I suppose some of them are noncontroversial--but if there is some controversy out there, yes, I think the committees ought to have the responsibility to bring them forward. Let the committees question them. We did that in our HELP Committee, I say to my friend from Kansas. I am trying to remember the person we had--oh, a lot of controversy about Craig Becker, I think, who was going to the NLRB.
If it was out of our committee, obviously it was a better bill than coming out of the Finance Committee. But I say to my friend, again, that----
I thought there were some things we should talk about. I say to my friend, in listening to my friend from Kansas say this, it occurred to me that certain of his amendments were allowed. The Senator was allowed to debate them and offer them, but they were not adopted. It seems to me, as I have said before, the right of the minority ought to be to offer amendments, to have them considered, to have them voted on, but it does not mean it is the right of the minority to win every time on those amendments.
I say to my friend, on that financial services bill, I had an amendment too and I could not get it in. I was on the majority side, and they would not let me offer one either. So both sides have some legitimate points.
I also say to my friend from Kansas, and others, we can get into this tit for tat, who started it. I think we have to kind of quit that. I could come back and say: Well, yes, in the last 2 years, the tree was filled 44 times. In this last session, 44 times the tree was filled, but there were 136 filibusters. Why wouldn't there be 44 filibusters? Why were there 136? We can get into that tit for tat, who did what to whom. I wish to forget about all that. We could go back, probably, to the 18th century--tit for tat, who did what to whom at some point in time.
I ask my friend from Kansas, who has been here a long time--we served together in the House; my friend was chairman of the Agriculture Committee in the House. We have done a lot of legislation together-- does my friend from Kansas feel the Senate is operating today in the best possible way? Does my friend from Kansas believe there could be some things done to make the Senate operate a little bit more openly and fairly with rights for the minority to be protected but without letting the minority--and I do not mean Republicans when I say ``minority,'' I mean whoever happens to be in the minority--to keep the minority from obstructing things? Does my friend feel there could be some changes made?
Madam President, will the Senator yield for a question?
I thank my friend from Texas. Again, he and I have worked together on some legislation in the past too. He is a thoughtful Senator and a good legislator.
I ask my friend from Texas this: In listening to him, I almost have the feeling that my friend from Texas is saying we ought to have a supermajority to pass anything, that we should have 60 votes in order to pass anything.
I ask my friend, is that what my friend really means or implies, that everything should have 60 votes before it can go through here? Is that what my friend is suggesting?
Madam President, if my friend will yield further, again, in my resolution there is a guarantee that the minority has the right to offer amendments--absolute guarantee. As I said, that is something I have urged since 1995. I am very sympathetic to the argument that people are cut out from offering amendments. I know because that has happened to me by the majority at times. So I believe there ought to be rights for the minority. I always hasten to add when I say ``minority'' I am not saying Republicans, I am saying the minority. It may be us pretty soon. It goes back and forth, as my friends knows. There ought to be the right for the minority to offer amendments and to have their voice heard and to, as the Senator says, represent the people of our States adequately.
But I ask my friend again, what happens when we have one or two or three or four Senators who don't want to see a bill passed in any form--some bill, just take any bill--that maybe has been worked on by both Republicans and Democrats, has broad bipartisan support maybe to the tune of even 70 or so Senators, but there is one or two or three Senators who don't want it to pass anyway, and they are able to gridlock the place under rule XXII. I know the Senator talked about exercising self-restraint, and I say that is fine. But what if we had that situation where we have two or three Senators saying: I don't care how many Senators are on it I don't want it to move. And
they invoke their rights under rule XXII. How do we get over that hurdle?
Madam President, if the Senator would indulge me for one more moment, so it is not the position of my friend from Texas that everything needs 60 votes in which to move in the Senate; is that correct?