One of the problems of being as competent and technical as you are is there are some of us, people like me from Missouri, as an engineer, like to try to put things in plain simple terms. The first thing I would like to ask, because you are…
One of the problems of being as competent and technical as you are is there are some of us, people like me from Missouri, as an engineer, like to try to put things in plain simple terms.
The first thing I would like to ask, because you are the expert, but I have a little bit of a sense of what's going on here, and first of all the problem is that we are trying to collect intelligence on terrorists that are trying to kill our citizens. Is that what we are dealing with?
I want to keep it simple. So we are dealing with collecting intelligence on these terrorists.
We have a format that was put into law years ago, as I understand it, that when a signal is transmitted into the air that we can tap into that and listen for terrorist talk; is that correct?
But now in the last number of years, the way that transmissions are made is different. We are going now through these fiber-optic cables and through these tremendous switching networks; is that correct?
Now, does the current law allow us to do the same thing on those as we do on a transmitted signal?
Now we are getting to the problem. The problem is that the government is getting in the way and the Democrats are getting in the way of us collecting intelligence to protect our constituents.
Now, the lady from Tennessee, you talked about some common sense, and the common sense of the matter is some of us remember September 11, and these people are not nice people; right?
But if the gentleman would yield, what I understand the Democrat solution is saying, that you can't do that. That as soon as Osama bin Laden lights up his computer, we don't know where he is calling to, and, therefore, we have got to get some judge to give us permission to tap into.
So my understanding, with the bottom line, with the bill that has been proposed, we would lose about 60 percent or more of our intelligence leads that we are collecting through electronic surveillance needs; is that correct?
Sixty percent of our intelligence-gathering capability is going to be hobbled?
Yet in the State of Missouri we don't call that common sense.
Now, there was one procedure that the Republicans were allowed to do, and that's called the recommit; is that correct? We couldn't make any amendments. We couldn't discuss it.
And so on the motion to recommit, we did the best thing we
could to try to fix this problem, which was going to basically muzzle 60 percent of our intelligence-gathering capability. And that, I guess, you could look at it as an amendment on the motion to recommit. It was merely a sentence or two. And that sentence said something to the effect that nothing in this bill will prevent us from trying to capture bin Laden or prevent us from gathering information on al Qaeda, and they're attacking this country, something to that effect.
It was in such a hurry that we didn't have time for any amendments.
Will the gentleman yield?
Well, I appreciate the good work that attorneys do, Mr. Speaker, and I particularly like different attorney jokes. And this one particular joke is the only one I have heard that isn't funny, and that is, how many attorneys does it take to collect intelligence on our enemies? And the answer, exactly as the lady said, should be zero. There should be no doubt about this.
Now, you have talked about somewhat subtle or finer points of law, but the bottom line is there is an agency that is charged with following the law and protecting our citizens. Now, the opinion of that agency on this point is what is critical, isn't it? Because if they believe they can't do the collection, then there is going to be 60 percent or more of intelligence gathering that is going to be hobbled. They are not going to have that capability. And their belief is that what you are saying is true because you quoted them; is that right?
Will the gentleman yield?
I believe that what you have described is pretty much what we worked out last summer. Just going back to last summer when this problem reared its ugly head, we were approaching September 11. The Democrats had been unwilling to deal with it. We had been going back and forth and back and forth. And as I recall, we basically told the other party we are not leaving for summer break until you get this thing fixed because our Nation is exposed. We are not collecting the information that we need and we have to deal with that. So at the last minute, we passed a 6-month, if you will, patch that takes us to February; is that correct?
So until February we are able to do this collection at this point, but we have to deal with this problem.
Now, the gentlewoman from New Mexico made reference to September 11, and I think each of us have our own memories. But mine was being at the site in New York City and seeing that wall along the side of a city block, four-by-eight sheets of plywood. Covering over the wall was a piece of that kind of slick, greasy plastic that's waterproof, and it had little dots of mist because it was a misty day. And underneath it were pictures. Some black and white, some in color, a picture of a guy with his dog, a husband and wife. And as I looked at those pictures, it reminded me of the many times in the
morning where eyes had met gently saying good-bye for the day, a gentle brush of the hair that would be no more, that ended in violent, fiery tragedy and death. And for us to hobble our Intelligence Committee and knock out 60 percent of their intelligence gathering is un-American, it is something that we will not tolerate in this Chamber, and until we get it right, I will never be quiet on this subject. And I know the gentleman feels as strongly as I do.
If I could just interrupt for a minute, I don't think any of us want to impugn anybody's motives. Our objective here is and the reason we were sent here by our constituents is to solve problems, which you have outlined is a reasonable balance between the privacy rights of Americans and the necessity of the government to do what it is number one tasked to do, which is to protect our citizens. But when we get that balance wrong and the director of the people that have to collect that intelligence say that we have got to have judges, you are going to knock out more than half of our intelligence-gathering capability, then it says we need to get back to the drawing board and get this thing done the right way.
I certainly appreciate your attention to the details to looking at the language. And I certainly hope that our Democrat colleagues will allow enough debate and discussion to solve the problem.