Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume. I rise in strong support of H.R. 2018, the Clean Water Cooperative Federalism Act of 2011. Almost four decades ago, when it enacted the Clean Water Act, Congress established a system…
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
I rise in strong support of H.R. 2018, the Clean Water Cooperative Federalism Act of 2011. Almost four decades ago, when it enacted the Clean Water Act, Congress established a system of cooperative federalism by making the Federal Environmental Protection Agency, the EPA, and the States
partners in regulating the Nation's water quality and allocated the primary responsibilities for dealing with day-to-day water pollution control matters to the States.
For most of these almost four decades, this system of cooperative federalism between the EPA and the States has worked quite well. However, in recent years, the EPA has begun to use questionable tactics to usurp the States' role under the Clean Water Act in setting water quality standards and to invalidate legally issued permits by the States. EPA has decided to get involved in the implementation of State standards, second-guessing States with respect to how standards are to be implemented and even second-guessing EPA's own prior determinations that the State standards meet the minimum requirements for the Clean Water Act. EPA has also inserted itself into the States and the Army Corps of Engineers' permit issuance decisions and the second-guessing State and other agencies' permitting decisions.
The EPA's recent actions increasingly are amounting to bullying the States and are unprecedented. H.R. 2018 was introduced to clarify and restore the longstanding balance that had existed between the States and the EPA as coregulators under the Clean Water Act and to preserve the authority of States to make determinations relating to their water quality standards and permitting. The bill was carefully and narrowly crafted to preserve the authority of States to make decisions about their own water quality standards and permits without undue interference on second-guessing from EPA bureaucrats in Washington with little or no knowledge of local water quality conditions.
The legislation reins in EPA from unilaterally issuing a revised or new water quality standard for a pollutant adopted by a State and EPA already has approved a water quality standard for that pollutant. H.R. 2018 restricts EPA from withdrawing its previous approval of a State NPDES water quality permitting program or from limiting Federal financial assistance for a State water quality permitting program on the basis that EPA disagrees with the State.
Further, the bill restricts EPA from objecting to NPDES permits issued by a State. Moreover, the bill clarifies that EPA can veto an Army Corps of Engineers Clean Water Act section 404 permitting decision when the State concurs with the veto.
These limitations apply only in situations where EPA is attempting to contradict and unilaterally force its own one-size-fits-all Federal policies on a State's water quality program. By limiting such overreaching by the EPA, H.R. 2018 in no way affects EPA's proper role in reviewing State permits and standards and coordination pollution control efforts between the States. EPA just has to get back to the more collaborative role it has long played as the overseer of the States' implementation of the Clean Water Act.
Detractors of this legislation claim that the bill only intends to disrupt the complementary roles of EPA and the States under the Clean Water Act and eliminate EPA's ability to protect water quality and public health in downstream States from actions in upstream States. In reality, these detractors want to centralize power in the Federal Government so it can dominate water quality regulation in the States. Implicit in their message is that they do not trust the States in protecting the quality of their waters and the health of their citizens.
This bill returns the balance, certainty, and cooperation between the States and the Federal Government in regards to the environment that our economy, job creators, and permit holders have been begging for. Well over 100 organizations representing a wide variety of public and private entities support this legislation. Just to name a few, these organizations include the National Association of State Departments of Agriculture, the American Farm Bureau Federation, the National Mining Association, the National Water Resources Association, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the National Association of Manufacturers, the National Association of Homebuilders, and the Associated General Contractors of America.
July 12, 2011.
Hon. John Boehner,
Speaker, House of Representatives,
Washington, DC.
Hon. Nancy Pelosi,
Minority Leader, House of Representatives, Washington, DC.
Urging Swift Passage of the Clean Water Cooperative Federalism Act
(H.R. 2018)
Dear Speaker Boehner and Minority Leader Pelosi: The
undersigned 121 organizations, representing a broad cross-
section of the American economy, are united in their strong
support for the Clean Water Cooperative Federalism Act (H.R.
2018), a bipartisan bill passed by the House Transportation
and Infrastructure Committee on June 22.
The bill would reaffirm the decades-old state-federal
relationship set out in the Clean Water Act (CWA) by
addressing the Environmental Protection Agency's (EPA)
ongoing regulatory overreach. We urge all House members to
vote for passage of this important legislation when it is
considered on the House floor later this week.
H.R. 2018 has important job creation, economic security,
and federalism implications. Over the years, EPA has
repeatedly challenged states' authority and expertise under
the CWA and asserted its control as the sole arbiter of
evolving CWA permitting requirements and standards. The
agency's actions jeopardize more than $220 billion of annual
economic activity subject to CWA Sec. 402 and 404 permits.
H.R. 2018 would help put people back to work and create new
jobs in the sectors our members serve by restoring the proper
balance between EPA and the states in regulating the nation's
waters, protecting the CWA's system of cooperative
federalism, and preventing EPA from second-guessing or
delaying a state's CWA permitting and water quality
certification decisions.
We urge swift enactment of H.R. 2018 and look forward to
working with you to accomplish that important objective.
Sincerely,
Agricultural Retailers Association; Alabama Cattlemen's
Association; American Concrete Pavement Association;
American Concrete Pressure Pipe Association; American
Farm Bureau Federation; American Rental Association;
American Road & Transportation Builders Association;
American Sugarbeet Growers Association; Arizona Farm
Bureau Federation; Arizona Rock Products Association;
Associated Equipment Distributors; The Associated
General Contractors of America; Association of
Equipment Manufacturers; Buckeye Valley Chamber of
Commerce; Chamber of Commerce of the Mid-Ohio Valley;
Chemical Producers & Distributors Association; Colorado
Cattlemen's Association; Colorado Livestock
Association; CropLife America; Dairy Producers of New
Mexico; Deep South Equipment Dealers Association;
Delaware State Chamber of Commerce; Edison Electric
Institute; Equipment Distributors Association of
Minnesota; Far West Equipment Dealer Association.
Farm Equipment Manufacturers Association; The Fertilizer
Institute; Florida Cattlemen's Association; Florida
Sugar Cane League; Georgia Construction Aggregate
Association; Georgia Mining Association; Greater
Phoenix Chamber of Commerce; Greater Pittsburgh Chamber
of Commerce; Idaho Cattle Association; Illinois
Association of Aggregate Producers; Illinois Chamber of
Commerce; Illinois Coal Association; Industrial
Minerals Association--North America; Iowa Cattlemen's
Association; Iowa Limestone Producers Association;
Iowa-Nebraska Equipment Dealers Association; Kansas
Aggregate Producers Association; Kansas Livestock
Association; Kansas Ready Mixed Concrete Association;
Kentucky Association of Manufacturers; Kentucky Chamber
of Commerce; Kentucky Coal Association; Kentucky
Crushed Stone Association, Inc.; Lodi Chamber of
Commerce; Los Angeles Area Chamber of Commerce.
Manhattan Beach Chamber of Commerce; Michigan Aggregates
Association; Mid-America Equipment Retailers
Association; Midwest Equipment Dealers Association;
Minnesota-South Dakota Equipment Dealers Association;
Missouri Cattlemen's Association; Montana Equipment
Dealers Association; Montana Stockgrowers Association;
National Asphalt Pavement Association; National
Association of Home Builders; National Association of
Manufacturers.
National Cattlemen's Beef Association; National Corn
Growers Association; National Milk Producers
Federation; National Mining Association; National Pork
Producers Council; National Precast Concrete
Association; National Ready Mixed Concrete Association;
National Stone, Sand & Gravel Association; National
Water Resources Association; Nebraska Cattlemen, Inc.;
North American Equipment Dealers Association; North
Dakota Implement Dealers Association; Northeast
Equipment Dealers Association, Inc.; NUCA Representing
Utility and Excavation Contractors.
Ohio Aggregates & Industrial Minerals Association; Ohio
Chamber of Commerce; Ohio Equipment Distributors
Association; Ohio-Michigan Equipment Dealers
Association; Oklahoma Cattlemen's Association; Pacific
Northwest
Hardware & Implement Association; Palm Desert Area
Chamber of Commerce; Pennsylvania Aggregates and
Concrete Association; Pennsylvania Cattlemen's
Association; Pennsylvania Chamber of Business and
Industry; Portland Cement Association; Public Lands
Council; Responsible Industry for a Sound Environment;
Scottsdale Area Chamber of Commerce; Simi Valley
Chamber of Commerce; South Dakota Agri-Business
Association; South Dakota Cattlemen's Association;
South East Dairy Farmers Association; SouthEastern
Equipment Dealers Association; South Western
Association; Tennessee Concrete Association; Tennessee
Road Builders Association; Texas and Southwestern
Cattle Raisers Association.
Texas Cattle Feeders Association; Tucson Metropolitan
Chamber of Commerce; U.S. Cattlemen's Association; U.S.
Chamber of Commerce; United Egg Producers; USA Rice
Federation; Utah Cattlemen's Association; Utah Farm
Bureau Federation; The Utah School and Institutional
Trust Lands Administration; Utah Wool Growers
Association; Virginia Agribusiness Council; Virginia
Grain Producers Association; Virginia Poultry
Federation; Washington Aggregates & Concrete
Association; Washington Cattlemen's Association;
Washington Farm Bureau; West Virginia Chamber of
Commerce; West Virginia Coal Association; West Virginia
Manufacturers Association; Western Business Roundtable;
Wyoming Ag Business Association; Wyoming Crop
Improvement Association; Wyoming Stock Growers.
I yield such time as he may consume to the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Mica).
I yield 4 minutes to the gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. Shuster).
I yield the gentleman an additional 30 seconds.
I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from New Hampshire (Mr. Guinta).
I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from North Carolina (Mr. Coble).
Mr. Chairman, I think what this bill is addressing, we have 21st century problems and challenges, and we are looking for 21st century solutions. I want to lay out the facts to have a little more clarity, and I appreciate my colleague from West Virginia's support of the bill.
We have to realize that the State EPAs have to have an approved plan by the Federal EPA. That is the framework that they are working under, and you just can't have the Federal EPA come in during the ball game and try to change the rules and undermine the efforts of the State EPAs.
I want to comment regarding the gentleman from Oregon's comments that we are going to go backwards and we have made progress in the last 40 years, and the States didn't do anything in the last 40 years or before. Let's remember what happened prior to 1972.
I grew up 12 miles from the city of Cleveland and the Cuyahoga River. I remember when the Cuyahoga River caught on fire. I remember as a child when I couldn't go down and swim in Lake Erie any more because raw sewage was going into Lake Erie. Those events caused this Congress to pass the Clean Water Act and establish the U.S. EPA and also give authority for the States to set up their programs. Prior to that, nobody was concerned about the environment and we didn't have the so- called environmental movement where we are all concerned about having clean water.
Since then, we have made tremendous progress. On point-source pollution, we have made tremendous progress. On discharges, we don't have the discharges going into our lakes and rivers and streams like we did 40 years ago. We have made significant progress addressing nonsource-point pollution. Now, that is not to say that we don't have more challenges.
I want to talk about one size fits all, and the U.S. EPA has an agenda right now that is overreaching. They want to set policies and parameters that fit for everybody to work under. I will give you an example. The numerical nutrient standard, and let's take phosphorus and nitrogen. You hear a lot about phosphorus sediment pollution in our lakes and rivers. To go in there and set a number, a numerical number that they can't exceed that, discharge at that level, causes some problems.
For the last 40 years, we have been operating under something called the narrative standard. States can go in there and look at what is going on in that watershed or that stream or that river. I can tell you, in every river and stream in this country, there are different things happening. The biology is different. The pH is different. The water temperature, water flow is different. The sunlight. A whole host of things. They can incorporate that and come up with a plan on how to address that in their local locale.
When you set a number at such a high level, it creates a situation where the States can't attain it; it's not possible. We have seen that happen in Florida, and that is why Florida has litigation pending because they set one size fits all. Whereas Florida, ironically, was moving to a point to set a numerical standard, but they wanted to address and incorporate what I call the narrative standard so they could address what is happening in each locale and not a huge region to address those differences that are happening in that stream or that river. So one size fits all doesn't work. It causes problems, and it will make us to go back, impacting the progress we've made in the last 40 years.
Now, in this bill we also talk about the permitting issue. One of the most egregious things that I have seen since I have been in Congress since January was a revocation of a permit. Yes, it was in West Virginia. It was a coal mine operation that went through 10 years of an environmental impact study, got their permit in 2007, and then 3 years later the permit was revoked, not because they were in permit violation. The Army Corps of Engineers testified in my committee that there were no problems. The State, West Virginia EPA didn't support revoking that permit. I really don't know why they revoked that permit other than it was maybe on an agenda of somebody. But they were not in violation of the permit.
It is one thing to revoke a permit when you are in violation of a permit, but when you are not in violation of the permit, to take that permit away, it sets a very dangerous precedent; because the dangerous precedent it sets across our entire economy, if you're an entity or an enterprise and you have to have a permit from the Federal Government to be in business, and if that Federal Government at the whim of some bureaucrat or the administration comes and pulls that permit any time they want to, who is going to risk capital and make that investment, create jobs, knowing that they could be shut down tomorrow because the permit is not there to stay in business?
That is what this bill addresses. They have to get concurrence. The U.S. EPA would have to get concurrence from the State EPA to support that revocation to shut that business down.
So this is really a jobs bill. We are trying to relieve uncertainty so people know what the playing field is. I can tell you, I think the State EPAs can do a better job in their locales, because they know what is going on there, than to have a one-size-fits-all policy by the Federal Government and an overreaching and burdensome regulatory climate that kills jobs, kills economic investment, and, like I said, kills jobs.
So that is why I think it is important to move this bill forward. This is a jobs bill.
We have sent several bills over to the Senate that are jobs bills. I urge the Senate to take them up because we have unemployment at 9.2 percent and rising.
I think it is important for people to have an opportunity to have a job and economic opportunities. We need the Federal Government to create the environment for what I call the job creators to have that confidence, to make those investments and start hiring people back and growing their businesses.
This bill is really important to encourage cooperative arrangements working among the Federal EPA and the State EPAs.
I was really floored in the committee hearings we had where we had State EPAs come in--and some of them were from the other side of the aisle from me--and testify against the Federal EPA on their actions and their overreach.
You know, a strong economy--some people don't understand this, although I say this a lot. A strong and growing economy will provide the resources to invest and protect and enhance the environment. An economy that is struggling right now, it makes it tougher to have those resources. As an example, you look at some Third World countries where their biggest challenge is feeding their people, they don't have the resources to build sewage treatment plants and water filtration systems and do other things to protect the environment. We have the resources, and we have a strong, growing economy, and we should be working with those businesses because most businesses and most people want to do the right thing. Everybody wants clean water and clean air.
So I take exception to the comments of my colleague from Oregon who said that we are not protecting the environment. I think a strong, growing economy does protect the environment, and I think the regulatory policies are in place at the State levels because the States are set up to do it now, different than 40 years ago, to regulate and also enforce environmental protection laws, whether it is mountaintop mining or whatever it is. We have the rules in place.
In Ohio, when I was in the State Senate 2 years ago, we passed comprehensive legislation to add additional regulation on the oil and gas industry to protect our groundwater, our water aquifers, and our surface water. And we did.
I am really encouraged now, the potential we have with the Utica shale and the Marcellus shale to make us closer to being energy independent and not dependent and shipping almost a trillion dollars a year away to other countries, some of which don't really like us very much. We have an opportunity to have a strong, growing economy and provide the energy, but also protect the environment at the same time. We just have the regulatory process in place, and I think this enables a stronger regulatory process because it emboldens the State EPAs to do their job and work cooperatively with their partners in Washington,
I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I wish to claim time in opposition.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The intent of H.R. 2018 is to restore the balance between the States and the Federal Government in carrying out the Clean Water Act.
This amendment simply strikes the entire bill, as she stated, and ensures that the EPA can continue to unilaterally force its own one- size-fits-all Federal policies onto the States' water quality programs, which, by the way, they previously already approved.
Under this amendment EPA will continue to pass unfunded mandates on to the States. It ensures that EPA issues interim guidance that frustrates States and permit applicants, and ensures that the EPA will continue their legally dubious activities of revoking already legally issued permits, as I stated earlier.
I urge all Members to oppose this amendment.
I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I demand a recorded vote.
I wish to claim the time in opposition.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
By striking section 2 of the bill, this amendment would effectively gut much of the bill.
Section 2 of the bill would limit EPA from unilaterally changing approved State water quality standards and permitting decisions, or from withdrawing approval of a State water quality permitting program or limiting Federal financial assistance for the State water quality permitting program on the basis that the EPA disagrees with the State regarding a State water quality standard that EPA has approved.
By striking section 2 of the bill, this amendment would continue to allow this administration's EPA to impose one-size-fits-all Federal policies on the States' water quality programs.
We are not in favor of the EPA continuing their regulatory onslaught on the States. I urge all Members to oppose this amendment.
I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I just want to reemphasize and restate that the States are operating under an already approved plan from the U.S. EPA which addresses these concerns, so I don't see how we go backwards, because they're operating within the framework that was set up. By the way, under the Clean Water Act, that plan is reviewed every 3 years.
I yield back the balance of my time.
I urge Members to support Mrs. Capito's amendment. Her amendment would bring transparency to the development of regulations and require the EPA to provide a more robust analysis of the economic impacts of its regulatory actions.
This will not halt the issuance of regulations, only provide better information to those who are responsible for writing the regulations, in this case the EPA. I think we can all agree the EPA could have better information to utilize to make better regulatory decisions.
I am concerned, as I believe the Administrator of the U.S. EPA has testified, that their main concern, when they look at a regulatory issue, is public health and safety of the environment, and they don't do any cost-benefit analysis and diminishing returns and all that.
I urge support of the amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I wish to claim time in opposition.
The Hanabusa amendment authorizes the EPA to study the effectiveness of cooperative federalism once H.R. 2018 is enacted.
While the amendment seems to carry a bias in that the EPA can only report an increase of pathogens or toxins, and not reductions, after enactment of H.R. 2018, the EPA will have very little to report upon.
H.R. 2018 will lead to better water quality decisions made at the local level, and this will benefit the environment for all of us. If H.R. 2018 would lead to water quality degradation, none of us in this Chamber would support it if that were the case.
Noting the bias in the amendment, if the sponsor would like to ask for a unanimous consent request to modify her amendment to modify line 5 after ``increase'' by adding the phrase ``or reductions,'' we then would be able to accept the amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
I continue to reserve the balance of my time.
With the modification, I think this is a good amendment. I want to commend my colleague for offering it because I think we will get an accurate report from the EPA when they do their study on whether we're making progress because of H.R. 2018 or if we're going backwards. So I think it's important to have this amendment modified to provide those words ``or reductions.''
Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
Modification to Amendment No. 4
Mr. Chairman, I wish to claim time in opposition.
The gentleman from Colorado seems to suggest that States would continue to allow polluters to pollute waters of their States under H.R. 2018 unless this amendment is adopted. Nothing could be further from the truth. If H.R. 2018 degraded water quality, none of us would support this legislation.
I also question the implementation of the amendment. If you had a permit holder who is in significant noncompliance, does that negate water quality provisions for the water body the permit holder may be polluting? Of course not. Nothing in H.R. 2018 allows a permit holder to violate the terms of a permit.
I urge all Members to oppose the Polis amendment.
I reserve the balance of my time.
I just want to reemphasize that if there is a permit holder in violation, the States have an obligation and a responsibility to step in and take action and enforcement. If they probably didn't, I'm sure that there's some organization that would file a lawsuit against that EPA.
So I don't think this amendment does anything to help the bill. I think the bill takes care of it, and the people who would be in violation would be prosecuted under the law.
I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I ask for a recorded vote.
Mr. Chairman, I wish to claim time in opposition to the amendment.
The Connolly amendment says that the underlying bill will not apply to any waters for which Federal funding is provided. This would have an effect of realigning Federal funding for projects and subject States with waters for which Federal funding is provided to greater EPA imposition of Federal one-size-fits-all policies.
As drafted, the scope of the Federal funding intended to be covered under this amendment is unclear, but could be interpreted to be almost limitless in coverage. As a result, this amendment would allow EPA to determine that the amendment applies to virtually all waters, with the consequent effect of nullifying the underlying bill.
Rather than nullifying this legislation, I would rather the gentleman from Virginia join those of us who think it would be more productive to ease the burden of unnecessary regulations and provide the States more authority in carrying out the Clean Water Act. I urge all Members to oppose the Connolly amendment.
I reserve the balance of my time.
I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I wish to claim time in opposition, although I am not opposed.
EPA's role in regulating pipelines is minimal as compared to the role of other agencies. This bill would have little effect on regulating pipelines. Therefore, we can accept this amendment.
I yield back the balance of my time.
I wish to claim time in opposition to the amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I must strongly oppose this amendment because it basically aims to gut the underlying bill.
This amendment is designed to ensure that the EPA can continue to unilaterally force its own one-size-fits-all
Federal policies onto the States' water quality programs.
The underlying bill, H.R. 2018, reestablishes the States' balanced role in carrying out the provisions of the Clean Water Act; but this amendment, in effect, says that the underlying bill will not apply virtually anywhere the Clean Water Act applies.
Implicitly, this amendment also says that the States cannot be trusted in protecting the quality of their waters and the health of their citizens, and the Federal Government knows best.
Once States have approved clean water programs, they are capable of administering their programs and caring for the welfare of their citizens. EPA needs to be more respectful of the decisions made by the States in those circumstances.
H.R. 2018 is a good bill that restores balance to an out-of-control U.S. EPA. The intent of this amendment is to make the bill completely unworkable. I would also add that I think that the Clean Water Act has worked until now when the States have been usurped of their authority and ability to enforce the State and Federal EPA environmental laws.
I urge all Members to oppose this amendment.
I reserve the balance of my time.
I continue to reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I would just like to comment on the comments from my colleague from Oregon talking about a new pollutant. Well, under H.R. 2018, if there's a new pollutant out there and it comes in and it is not in an already State-approved plan, the State has to take action, and the EPA and the State have to work cooperatively to develop a new plan to address that issue. So I think if the issue of arsenic came up, they would have to work that out cooperatively.
And the comment about States won't take action, I can't believe that a State EPA is not going to take action. Oregon--maybe they're not going to take action in Oregon. It's hard for me to believe that. But I don't think this amendment is necessary, and I oppose the amendment.
I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I wish to claim time in opposition to the amendment.
Under the gentleman from Missouri's amendment, if a State has made a disaster declaration any time in the last 5 years, H.R. 2018 would not be applicable to waters in the area. This amendment would continue to allow the EPA to overturn State-established and U.S. EPA- approved water quality standards and unilaterally impose federally dictated permitting and other regulatory requirements on States and other disaster responders. This, in turn, would impact on the ability of States and other disaster responders to respond to and conduct cleanups after major flood disasters and would discourage States from seeking disaster assistance.
I urge all Members to oppose the Carnahan amendment.
I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I move that the Committee do now rise.