Mr. Speaker, I offer a motion to instruct conferees. The Clerk will report the motion. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume. Mr. Speaker, I have not come to the floor today to carry someone else's torch in partisan…
Mr. Speaker, I offer a motion to instruct conferees.
The Clerk will report the motion.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume. Mr. Speaker, I have not come to the floor today to carry someone else's torch in partisan battle. I am not here to fight a political battle just for the sake of fighting one. I am here because we need to get past the idea of Democrats versus Republicans and cut to the chase.
I do not have to convince anyone here today that we need a child tax credit. That is not the battle. The battle is whose version of a child tax credit this Congress will send to the President for signature. And I am here to argue that the Senate version simply makes more sense. We are facing a troubled economy, rising unemployment numbers and an exploding deficit caused by tax cuts that is just not working. We are fighting a war on terrorism, a war in Afghanistan, and a war in Iraq. We have our servicemen and -women deployed throughout the world. We are trying to do everything and we need to focus on our priorities.
One thing we need right now is a child tax credit for all families, including military and veteran families, including the families of manufacturing workers, farmers, teachers, steelworkers and restaurant workers. We need to include families who have not benefited from the tax cut plan because they did not get dividend or capital gains relief from this administration's tax cut, families who need this child tax credit now to pay for housing, clothing, food and health care.
Now, I have been listening to arguments from all sides. Last night I heard some of my colleagues from the other side of the aisle say that the House's version of the child tax credit does provide for all families. But this is not what the bill says. The House version does not cover all families. My colleagues on the other side of the aisle said that their bill provides for military families. But the House version does not provide specific child tax credit relief for military families. Only the Senate version does this. And the House version is expensive. It will cost over $80 billion, which will only balloon the deficit, and we simply cannot afford that right now.
We need to be more fiscally responsible. We need to find solutions that fix problems without creating new ones. And the Senate version of the child tax credit does this. It provides tax relief for all American families and it does it without adding to the deficit. It is fully offset and that is more fiscally responsible.
The reality is we could not have an unlimited pot of money for everything that we want or need. We have to make choices among tough priorities, and that is our job. But the House passed a tax law in May that left 6.5 million hardworking taxpaying families without a child tax credit. And we need to fix that and we need to fix it now. There has been a lot of debate and rhetoric about the House and Senate versions of the tax credit bill. I think debate is healthy, but I think the rhetoric has been misleading.
Let us get to the facts. My colleagues on the other side of the aisle say we already passed a tax credit bill. We did, but it is too expensive and the wrong bill. We need the Senate version. The Senate version focuses solely on giving the 6.5 million families the child tax credit relief they need. The Senate version fixes the problem created by the last tax cut without creating more problems. The Senate version expands the child tax credit and provides relief specifically for military families, and it does not cost more money.
The House version will cost over $80 billion. This will only add to our exploding deficit, and it does nothing to help our economy. The House version is not fiscally responsible.
The critical question here is which version of a child tax credit helps military families more. My colleagues on the other side of the aisle argued last night that their bill provides for military families. That is true. There are military benefits in the House version of the Child Tax Credit bill, but the House version does not include a specific child tax credit benefit for military families.
Instead, the House leadership has taken provisions from a completely different bill and thrown them into this bill. Military fairness is something I will always fight for, but we need to tackle the child tax credit problem now. The House bill does not do this for military families.
Remember, none of the provisions in the House version provides specific child tax credit relief for military families. Only the Senate version does that. Only the Senate version considers combat pay in the formula which means that military families will receive larger tax credit relief. That is not rhetoric, that is fact.
I have to ask my colleagues what message are we sending to military families. The tax cuts signed into law May 2003 cut major veterans programs, including health care and housing. These cuts will total $14.6 billion in benefits over the next 10 years. We have had proposed cuts to imminent danger and family separation pay, and I am very disturbed about this.
While we were away on our August break the Department of Defense put out and attempted to cut combat pay and pay for our families that are separated. We have our American service people over in Iran and Iraq putting their lives on the line. We need to do whatever we can to support them, and for them to be over there protecting our freedom and liberty and to cut any of their combat pay or their military family separation pay is wrong.
I have a letter, after hearing about this, that I sent to Secretary Rumsfeld, and I want this to be made a part of the record, asking him not to do this, that it is wrong, and I want to make this a part of the record, but to this date, I have received no response from Secretary Rumsfeld or the Department of Defense, but this is something we have to make sure we stay on top of.
I will insert the letter that I referred to earlier at this point.
Congress of the United States,
House of Representatives,
Washington, DC, August 14, 2003.
Hon. Donald H. Rumsfeld,
Secretary of Defense, The Pentagon,
Washington, DC 20301.
Dear Secretary Rumsfeld: I am very disturbed by recent
press accounts of the Pentagon's attempt to decrease both
imminent danger pay and family separation allowances. I am
asking you for a quick response to my inquiry.
We have over 148,000 troops in Iraq and 9,000 troops in
Afghanistan, many military families rely on this pay to help
make ends meet when their loved ones are away serving our
country and fighting for our freedom. I was shocked to learn
that as part of the Pentagon's interim budget request, there
was a recommendation to return to the lower rates of special
pay pending further inquiry by military experts. This sends
the wrong message to our soldiers and their families. It says
to them that the Pentagon does not care about their well
being. It suggest that their efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan
are no longer dangerous. In my view, we cannot let our
soldiers and their families feel like we do not understand
and appreciate what they are going through.
Our troops face daily guerrilla attacks. They face
unbearable temperature, and they have to deal with missing
their families and loved ones. This is not the time to reduce
their special duty pay.
As Congress goes to conference on the Defense
Appropriations bill, I hope that you will not proceed with
the Pentagon's combat pay reduction recommendation and
instead submit a request to Congress for additional funding
so that we can honor our soldiers abroad and their families
at home. I would also request that you support the Senate
language that calls for making the increase in combat pay
permanent. These men and women make a huge sacrifice and we
need to make sure that they receive all the resources and
compensation they need to ensure that their families are well
supported.
Thank you for your time and I look forward to a speedy
response to our letter.
Sincerely,
C.A. Dutch Ruppersberger,
Member of Congress.
Why is this occurring? Because we do not have the money. The tax cut is not
working, but we cannot take it out on our military families.
We also had a $200 million cut to Impact Aid, denying military school children a decent education, again because we do not have the money. We need to reprioritize where we are putting our money, and after all these cuts, we are denying 200,000 low-income military personnel a child tax credit. That is wrong.
What message do we want to send to our service men and women and their families? The House version does nothing to help military families specifically. Only the Senate version does this, and it does it without increasing the deficit.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself as much time as I may consume.
First, the gentleman from Arizona has made some good points. His rhetoric is excellent. However, I would like to get into the facts again.
To begin with, the 40 million people who are not covered do pay taxes. They pay property taxes. They pay payroll taxes, Social Security taxes, sales taxes. This is not a bill that is fair for all.
Secondly, the issue on fiscal accountability. I never thought, as a Democrat, I would be here asking my colleagues in the other party, on the other side of the aisle, to be more fiscally responsible. If my colleagues look at the two bills, we cannot afford this bill. The Senate bill has a setoff. It makes sense. We have enough fiscal problems right now, but if they are serious about military fairness, which we all are, and we all agree that we are, the Senate bill is at the desk right now. Let us bring it up and let us vote on it.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself as much time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, just to respond to my friend, the gentleman from Arizona (Mr. Hayworth), I think there has been some debate about refundability and about the tax credit that the Senate bill stops after 1 year.
Both sides of the aisle I think have misinterpreted this to an extent based on some of the debates that I have heard. We already have a law in effect that the President signed. That law is automatic. And after this year the refundability automatically kicks in. That is what the law says. Those are the facts.
So let us not confuse it. I heard the colloquy before we took the floor, an argument that the other side has been using. It is not going to stop. It kicks in automatically, and that is the law. And that is something that is important. That is fact.
Secondly, if we are talking about fiscal accountability, again, the Senate bill has the set-offs. This bill does not.
We are in a difficult time in this country right now. We need to be fiscally responsible. And I will say it once and I will say it again: I think it is extremely important that we work on both sides of the aisle as a team to get control of this economy and to do what is right.
The Senate bill has the off-sets that are necessary for this child tax credit bill. This House version will cost us $80 billion. We cannot afford that.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes and 15 seconds to the gentleman from California (Mr. Cardoza).
Mr. Speaker, may I request the time remaining on both sides.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 6 minutes to the gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Moran).
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Just in response to the gentleman from Arizona (Mr. Hayworth), let us crunch the numbers and get to the facts. The military families would do better with a child tax credit than no taxes on combat pay. But why are we here debating either one of them? If Members really cared about the military, men and women putting their lives on the line, we should be doing both.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from California (Mr. Honda).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 30 seconds to the gentleman from California (Mr. Honda).
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 1 minute.
The gentleman from Arizona (Mr. Hayworth) made a comment that I said that I was in favor of taxing combat pay. That is not what I said. I said when we look at the facts, a person in the military would do better by going forward with the child tax credit than not paying taxes on military combat pay. What I said was when we have our men and women risking their lives on behalf of us for our freedom and liberty, we should do both.
I yield to the gentleman from Virginia.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, this debate is healthy. That is what it is about in the United States Congress. We both have difference of opinions; but what we are here about today is trying to get the conference committee together so we can talk about these issues. We have already debated the merits of the bill and where we are, but now we need to come together.
I would ask the gentleman from Arizona (Mr. Hayworth), it has been 3 months since we have had this on the table, and the leadership in the House will not meet for a conference. It amazes me that we cannot get the conferees at least to take these issues we have discussed today and try to resolve them. The threat of partisan politics aside, this is an important issue to our country and to our military, and I would yield to the gentleman.
I yield to the gentleman from Arizona.
Mr. Speaker, reclaiming my time, I thank the gentleman for his comments and that he does not have the authority, but he is a very persuasive individual, a great orator, and I would hope that he uses his great expertise, with his new-found look, to help us in that regard.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Brown).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Ryan).
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
My colleagues on the other side have said they are already helping the military. We talked about the military because we are at war now and that is a component of this bill that we are discussing here today. If that is the case, and I believe very strongly that we all care about the military, then why not continue the effort and pass the child tax credit bill which helps our men and women putting their lives on the line on our behalf? That just makes sense. That is American. That is what we need to do.
The other Chamber talked about issues of fiscal responsibility. If you look at the Senate bill versus the House bill, there are the offsets that are there. It does not increase this deficit. We are in a difficult situation now in this country. We need to be fiscally responsible. The Senate bill does that. But really what we are talking about here today, and I have been just as guilty as anyone else, we have been debating the merits of the legislation and where we need to be, but what we are talking about is let us just get to the conference. Let us get to the conference. Three months and we have not sat down. We need to sit down in a nonpartisan way because this is so important to our country, to our families and our communities and our military.
Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, on that I demand the yeas and nays.