Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman from Oregon for yielding me this time. With great respect for my colleague and the committee, I rise in support of this amendment for this reason: When you get out my district in Oregon and over half of…
Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman from Oregon for yielding me this time.
With great respect for my colleague and the committee, I rise in support of this amendment for this reason: When you get out my district in Oregon and over half of our lands are public lands. And the concerns raised by my colleague from the Lammot Valley are valid. People want to be able to go out and take the family, drive out one of these Forest Service roads, park their car, and walk out in the woods. They cannot do that now if they do not go buy a permit.
If my colleagues want to talk about confusion, there are parts of my district where now you have to buy 3, 4, or 5 permits, depending on which part of public land you want to go on, whether it is a public park or the National Forest Service or the county or whoever. I have to tell my colleagues, there are a lot of people who want us in this Congress to vet this issue better. I think it is only appropriate.
I have no problem paying a fee for a permit to plow the snow where I go skiing, and I do not know of anybody who does. I have no problem paying for developed campground areas, and I laud the effect of this program in that respect. But I resent the part of the program that says simply to take a walk out in the woods and look at trees in an undeveloped area, I have to go to some park ranger district somewhere or some Forest Service office somewhere that I do not even know where it is, maybe, and buy a permit to put in my window and spend 50 bucks or so so I can take my family out. I represent the 12th poorest district in the United States, and over half of our land is Federal land, and this is a burden these people should not have to shoulder.
So I support the gentleman's amendment. I think it needs to be vetted better in our authorizing committee, and I look forward to that opportunity.
Mr. Chairman, let me address this issue of the fish kill last year, because the science is really in dispute. Dave Vogel says, In 1988, and he is a scientist who has studied this carefully, a run totaling 215,322 salmon occurred on the Klamath River with identical flow conditions: 2,130 cfs in 1988; 2,129 cfs in 2002, but no fish die-off occurred. In 2002, there were 132,000 salmon and 33,000 died.
But why? Two dramatic and uncharacteristic cooling and warming trends occurred during late August and September where the Upper Klamath River was still naturally unsuitably warm that probably both attracted fish into the lower river and then exposed the fish to chronically and cumulatively stressful conditions.
The point being, in 1988 we had nearly double the number of salmon coming back, there was no fish kill, and we had the same amount of water as in 2002 where we had about half the run coming back and we did lose fish. None of us wants to see a fish kill. We are all trying to work together; and I would welcome the opportunity to work with my colleague, the gentleman from California (Mr. Thompson), to find a global solution. But this is not it. This is not the solution.
I have to raise an issue that was raised on this floor last night by my colleague and friend, the gentleman from Oregon, when he told the House that he would offer an amendment today, and I quote from his words last night: ``That would reduce water-intensive agriculture in one of the wildlife refuges in the United States where there is unregulated agriculture practicing on leased land dealing with the Klamath Basin.''
I would suggest that that was a misstatement. It is a misstatement because, first of all, these lands are governed by the Kuchel Act passed in 1964 that says: ``Such lands shall be administered by the Secretary of the Interior for the purpose of major waterfowl management, but with full consideration to optimum agricultural use that is consistent therein.''
The leases, and I have a copy here of the draft leases, these are what the farmers have to agree to. And it includes information relating to the previous year's operations which include a report of planting date, cultivar variety, seed and seed piece treatment, crop yield, and units of tons by acre, and harvest date; on and on, including what pesticides are used, irrigation, tillage, burning, fertilizers on each crop. This is regulated, I would suggest, more than the Chinese regulate their agriculture.
Finally, these farmers work very hard to reduce pesticide use, and every year they are evaluated and they enter into probably the most progressive activity when it comes to limiting and reducing pesticide use that we have, and that is the integrated pest management concept. Time and again, they have entered into these agreements; and time and again, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and even the courts have found that these lands are being used in a compatible way.
Now, it is important to understand as well that even if we could find the water that was freed up by limiting crop restrictions on these 2,250 acres, it would not go to the refuges. It would go to other uses having higher priority, which could include private farmland. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service realized this in their determination made in 2002. Environmental groups sued on that determination and were unsuccessful.
The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service also found that based on a USGS study that if you did not irrigate, I mean if you took irrigation completely off of these leased lands, at all, only a minor amount of water would be freed up because there would be a substantial consumptive use of water by the weeds.
Now, their amendment basically tells farmers in my district, and 62 percent of my folks have these leases, that they cannot grow onions, potatoes or alfalfa. They can only grow grain crops. And somehow, that is going to solve the problem or a part of the problem.
What my colleagues may not understand is that onions use 1.88 acre feet of water per acre. Potatoes, the villain from last year, consume 1.73 acre feet of water per acre. The very grain crops that you want them to only be able to grow consume 1.87 acre feet of water per acre, more than the potatoes use, equal to what the onions grow. Now, sure, maybe alfalfa consumes more water. But do my colleagues know what? If we just turned this over to wetlands, wetlands themselves consume 2\1/ 2\ to 3\1/2\ times the amount of water that potatoes and onions consume. So if you turned this over to the noxious weeds, they will drink up more than these farmers will.
Finally, these people have been devastated economically down there as farmers, and they have done enormous work to try and solve this problem. We spent $16 million putting in a new sophisticated fish screen in the canal that now routes nearly a million sucker larva down to three-eighths of an inch back into the river or into the lake. That would have languished forever. We got it done.
In conclusion, we are making efforts through the EQIP money that my colleague from Oregon voted against when he voted against the farm bill to do water reduction efforts to have more efficient irrigation systems. That farm bill, too, which the gentleman voted against, included the study, the 1-year study for removal of Chiloquin Dam, which has now been completed which we restored access to 95 percent of the habitat for suckers on the Sprague River. It was a principal blockage and reason why the suckers were limited in the first place.
My point is, we are taking action to try and solve the problem. This does not help.
Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. Chairman, I fully concur with the gentleman about basing this on science. In fact, when we had the National Academy of Sciences review the biological opinions that set up the water cut- off in 2001, the initial findings came back and said the decisions by the government were not backed up by science, and we are waiting for the final review now.
This bill is a rifle shot at a very tiny piece of a huge problem. And as I mentioned in my comments, fixing the fish screen on the A canal, dealing with fish passage at Chiloquin, which will probably result in removal of that dam which I will support if that is what the consensus is, those are the things we can deal with.
Ambient temperature as much as water temperature are both issues. I will be happy to discuss this further with the gentleman.