Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded. Mr. President, I inquire as to the regular order and the time agreement reached on the next few amendments. And the vote will take place at 10 o'clock?…
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Mr. President, I inquire as to the regular order and the time agreement reached on the next few amendments.
And the vote will take place at 10 o'clock?
Mr. President, the next amendment coming up will be the amendment we refer to as the English national language amendment. Since there is some time right now, unless someone else wants the floor, I can discuss what it is all about.
I inquire, is someone requesting time?
I thank the Senator.
As I understand it, on our side there is 17 minutes remaining, is that correct, and I can use a few minutes?
I thank the Senator for that generous offer. I will not make any comments at this time and will wait until our amendment is up. We will discuss it then.
Madam President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
I ask for the regular order.
I ask unanimous consent that the amendment be modified with the changes that are at the desk.
Madam President, I ask unanimous consent to add as cosponsors several Senators, including the distinguished senior Senator from West Virginia, Senator Byrd, and Senators Alexander and Kyl.
Madam President, this is, I believe, a very significant amendment. We have had an opportunity to talk to people who had problems. In addition to making English the national language, we also unify some of the applications in terms of legalized immigrants.
I have had the honor of speaking at naturalization ceremonies. It is a very warm thing to know that these people come in and do it the legal way, the right way; wherein they have to, and they do, learn the language. We have some language in here that Senator Alexander had suggested that I think makes this a better bill, and I think Senator Kyl and Senator Sessions also have this language. So it goes beyond that.
Basically, what it does is it recognizes the practical reality of the role of English as our national language. It states explicitly that English is our national language, providing English a status in law that it has not had before. It clarifies that there is no entitlement to receive Federal documents and services in languages other than English. It declares that any rights of a person and services or materials in languages other than English must be authorized or provided by law. It recognizes the decades of unbroken court opinions that civil rights laws protecting against national origin and discrimination do not create rights to Government services and materials in languages other than English, and establishes enhanced goals of the DHS as redesigned. This is what I talked about in trying to make those more uniform.
I think Senator Alexander wants to make a few comments. I would only say that this is something that is more significant probably to the American people than it is inside this Chamber. I know there is opposition to this. There are some people who don't believe that English should be our national language. If you look at some of the recent polling data, such as the Zogby poll in 2006, it found 84 percent of Americans, including 77 percent of Hispanics, believed that English should be the national language of Government
operations. A poll of 91 percent of foreign-born Latino immigrants agreed that learning English is essential to succeeding in accordance with the United States, according to the 2002 Kaiser Family Foundation poll.
Also, we heard the other day, when President Bush made his very eloquent statement, he said:
An ability to speak and write the English language, English
allows newcomers to go from picking crops to opening grocery
stores, from cleaning offices to running offices, from a life
of low-paying jobs to a diploma, a career, and a home of
their own.
So I believe this is something very significant that we are doing today that people have talked about now for four decades that I know of, and I believe it should be popular.
I yield to the Senator from Arizona.
I appreciate the comments of the Senator from Arizona, who was very instrumental in coming up with some good language that made this a better piece of legislation.
Madam President, I ask unanimous consent that Senator Frist be added as a cosponsor.
I thank Senator Sessions for the contributions he has made. You and Senator Alexander have both made contributions, and I think it would be appropriate for me to yield some time to Senator Alexander because he can articulate some of the other areas that we are addressing here, other than English as the national language.
First of all, I do appreciate as always the very eloquent Senator from Tennessee giving the historic perspective. I think it is important to understand that virtually every President throughout the history of America has made statements to that effect. Teddy Roosevelt said in a speech:
We must also learn one language and that language is
English.
President Clinton said in his speech in 1999, in talking about immigrants:
New immigrants have a responsibility to enter the
mainstream of American life. That means learning English and
learning about our democratic system of government.
We heard just the other day in a speech given by our President that it is necessary in order to unify us and to leave all the obstacles that are out there.
I thank not just the obvious ones who have been speaking already, but Senator McCain and Senator Graham have been a very important part in making changes, along with Senator Alexander and the occupant of the chair, the junior Senator from Florida.
At this time, I would like to hear from Senator Graham. I yield to him whatever time he desires.
Will the Senator yield so I can answer this question?
First of all, if you look at the second page of the bill, it provides:
Unless otherwise authorized or provided by law. . . .
So we have that set up for exceptions that are already in law.
Now, the Court Interpreters Act was passed in 1978. They did not, prior to that time--there was a problem that corrected. That act, the Court Interpreters Act, protects already existing constitutional rights such as the 6th amendment, the right to confront witnesses speaking against you, and the 5th amendment and 14th amendment and due process. The United States--I think it was in Negron v. New York. That is a Federal case which is often cited to support the right to an interpreter in Federal and State proceedings. So it is Federal and State proceedings. I believe that exception takes care of the problem you have.
Reserving the right to object.
I object.
And for clarification, there would be a vote on the Inhofe amendment at 4:15; is that correct?
Mr. President.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Mr. President, we are now going to the Inhofe amendment No. 4064. It is my understanding that we have between now and 4:15, with the time equally divided on my amendment and an alternative amendment that is proposed by Senator Salazar, and I would ask if that is correct.
I thank the Chair for that clarification. It could very well be, and it is my understanding that some others do have an alternative that they want to have considered.
Mr. President, this is an issue that has been with us for a long time. Due to the great history that is very often presented to this Chamber by the occupier of the chair, we went back into history and saw that for hundreds of years we have been trying, many of us, as our forefathers tried, to make English the national language. The last time we had a vote was 1983. In 1983, there was a--I don't remember who the author was at the time, but it was before I even came to the House. But that was 23 years ago. So 23 years it has taken now to get a vote on this issue.
Ours is a very simple amendment. It is very straightforward. We have perfected it by adding things that the Senator from Tennessee and the Senator from Arizona and the Senator from Alabama have asked for, and we think as a result of that, we have a bill that is actually better than ours was when it first started.
I yield.
Yes, that was changed. It was actually written up--they wrote the word ``national'' in the wrong place. It is, ``Declaration of national language.''
Mr. President, I think it is very appropriate the Senator asks that question. We have had a chance to discuss that at some length with a large number of people, and I have stood pretty fast to my belief. Now, keep in mind I am one of the few people around here who is not a lawyer, and therefore sometimes that puts me in a better position to understand the law than some of my lawyer friends. But I would say that when we write down, ``unless otherwise authorized or provided by law, no person has a right, entitlement, claim,'' et cetera, in the bill, which is the form of the bill that you have seen and that we have all been working on, so my feeling is that language takes care of any problem within the existing law that is on the books.
Mr. President, let me ask if it would be all right, if you have a number of questions--I don't mind yielding, but I would just as soon yield on your time.
Mr. President, I would respond by saying I think the statement stands by itself, speaks for itself. It says, ``unless otherwise authorized or provided by law.'' We are a country of laws, and if there is anything that is inconsistent, that is an exception under section 162.
Mr. President, let me respond.
Mr. President, let me first of all say no, it is not my intent, nor is it the intent of this amendment, to do that. This amendment is pretty straightforward. It does say ``unless otherwise authorized or provided by law.'' What that says to me is if there are some of these privileges out there that you believe are not in the law, then I would not be addressing those. I think what you are talking about is a matter of law, but I don't know that. I would rather say if it is a matter of law, we are providing an exception. And I guess I would ask you the question, since I now have the floor, do you believe that some of these rights are entitlements?
It is mine.
No, no. Mr. President, reclaiming my time, it is certainly not our intention. And I think what the Senator is saying is that language and national origin are the same when, in fact, I am not saying that language and national origin are the same.
Let me go ahead and try to respond, even though I am speaking to lawyers and I am not one, with some court cases that I think might clarify things for all of us.
Mr. President, let me hold off yielding until I get through with what I am about to say. I was going to mention these this morning, but I would like to go ahead and say where I believe we are today in responding to the question that has already been asked. I think it speaks for itself, but let me see after reading these cases whether you agree with that or not.
All right. I would rather wait until I am through, but go ahead.
Mr. President, it is my understanding--we talked about this before the Senator came in--that we will have two amendments that we will be talking about: the Salazar amendment and the Inhofe amendment. They will be side by side. There will be a vote at 4:15. That vote will take place on my amendment first and then on the Salazar amendment, is my understanding.
Mr. President, first of all, I would like to get into some of the legal background. For the legal analysis, let me start by mentioning Wesley Newcomb Hohfeld who was the author of the seminal Fundamental Legal Conceptions, a powerful and enduring analysis of the nature of rights and the implications of liberty. Hohfeld noted that rights correlate to duties. A has a duty to B if B has a right against A. If A has no duty, that means B has no right and A has liberty, are the terms that he used. Such Hohfeldian analysis applies here.
My amendment makes clear that nobody has a right or entitlement to sue the Federal workers or the Federal Government for services or materials in languages other than English. In Hohfeldian terms, the Federal Government has no duty to provide services or materials in languages other than English, but the Federal Government is free to do so. In other words, they are not compelled to do it, but they may do it, they have the authority to do that.
The question has been asked: How does this amendment affect the X program? Will the Federal Government be free to offer X service or material in Y language? The answer is, yes, the Federal Government is at liberty to offer, can offer, X services or whatever the program is, in whatever language seems to be appropriate, but the Federal Government only has the duty to offer X services and Y language if a statute creates that right.
In other words, we are talking about English as the national language. We are talking about certain exceptions that are written into law, and we have said on page 2 that I have read several times, ``unless otherwise authorized or provided by law.''
That means there are many cases where that would be the case. Again, such examples exist, such as the Voting Rights Act, which provides for bilingual ballots, and the Court Interpreters Act of 1978, which provides for translation services in the Federal courts.
Prior to 1978, there was no such act, and that was not the case. This does not change the decision in the change in law that took place in 1978.
For over 30 years, the courts have ruled uniformly and consistently on these matters, of providing services and materials in languages other than English. Federal courts have rejected attempts to equate a person's language with their national origin in dozens of court cases. This is what I referred to. It seems to me perhaps the other side is trying to say they are one and the same.
But the Federal courts have rejected the attempts to equate a person's language with their national origin in dozens of court cases and court decisions going back more than 30 years. Therefore, any expansion of the concept of national origin to encompass a theory repeatedly rejected by the Federal courts must come explicitly from Congress. It must be a law. It must be something that Congress proposes and passes and not be imposed by a flawed or arbitrary interpretation of the law. Today the Senate is stating that there is no right, entitlement or claim to services and materials in any language other than English. That is assuming we pass our amendment.
I will mention just three of the long, unbroken line of court cases spanning over 30 years.
In 1983 the Second Circuit Court of Appeals determined in Soberal- Perez v. Heckler, which the Supreme Court let stand, that there is no right to government forms in languages other than English.
In 1994 the Second Circuit Court of Appeals determined in Toure v. U.S. that there is no right to government deportation notices in languages other than English.
The most recent United States Supreme Court case in this area is Sandoval v. Alexander, the Alabama driver's license case. Justice Scalia wrote the decision in Sandoval in 2001.
The Supreme Court in Sandoval rejected the equation of language and national origin.
Indeed, the Federal courts have repeatedly considered and rejected just this equation of the failure to provide foreign language services and materials with a violation of the prohibition against national origin discrimination.
There is no support in the legislative history or judicial interpretations of title VI for the right or entitlement to Federal Government services or materials in languages other than English. Executive Order 13166 purported to interpret title VI, but it was written before the United States Supreme Court's decision in Sandoval.
This amendment now clarifies in Federal statute the line of cases culminating in the United States Supreme Court decision in the Sandoval case. Here we are making clear that there is no legal basis for Executive Order 13166 that purported to direct services and materials in languages other than English. I state it again clearly: There shall be no right or entitlement to services or materials in languages other than English.
I ask unanimous consent additional material be printed in the Record.
Mr. President, I know we can get bogged down. I suspect the reason this particular amendment that has been proposed numerous times in the past but not in the last 23 years, and that it is going to get bogged down on a lot of technical questions, is that perhaps some people do not want this amendment, so they come up with all kinds of technical reasons to oppose it. But what we are doing is declaring--we are making a declaration--that English is the national language for the United States of America.
We are taking the exceptions, for example, the Court Interpreters Act. Before the Court Interpreters Act passed in 1978, defendants did not have a right to an interpreter. It was up to the Court's discretion. The Court Interpreters Act protects already existing constitutional rights such as in the sixth amendment, the fifth amendment, the 14th amendment, amendments on due process. It is very important to know that is one of the many exceptions that is written into law. It is a very important exception.
You also have some exceptions found in the Voting Rights Act. Somebody mentioned this morning some disaster could take place in California, a tsunami or something such as that, and when the eviction notices come, obviously, if you are addressing Chinatown, it would be in Chinese. We know that. That protection is there.
I believe we have covered the legitimate concerns that are out there. I know there are some people who do not want this to happen who are going to vote against this. I understand that. That is what this is all about. It has been 23 years since we had an opportunity to vote for it or against it. Those of you who want to vote against it, you are going to have your opportunity at 4:15 today. In the meantime I agree with the Presidents--almost every President of the United States going back long before Teddy Roosevelt. One of the things he said is, ``We must also learn one language and that language is English.'' As we remember, President Bill Clinton in his State of the Union Message in 1999 got a standing ovation when he said that our new immigrants have a responsibility to enter the mainstream of American life. That means learning English and learning about our Democratic system of government.
I agree with that. I didn't agree with everything that President Clinton said, but I certainly was one who stood and applauded during that State of the Union Message in 1999.
I think other Presidents have done the same thing as recently as a few days ago, when our President said that an ability to speak and write the English language, English allows newcomers to go from picking crops to opening a grocery, from cleaning offices to renting offices, from a life of low-paying jobs to a diplomat career and a home of their own.
This is an opportunity. We look at people who come to this country and, oddly enough, those individuals that I have spent many hours with--I say to my good friend from Colorado that when I was mayor of Tulsa, we had never had any kind of recognition of our Latin population. Yet I knew it was a very large population. I would say to you, at that time I used to be a commercial pilot in Mexico and I actually spoke the language fairly well at that time. It has been many years, 25, 30 years, I guess. But when I became a mayor I said: I know around here we are very rich in history and have a talented bunch of people who have come here and are good citizens of our city of Tulsa. So I formed the Hispanic Commission of the city of Tulsa. This may or may not surprise you. Some of them were kind of in hiding, not even recognizing that they were Hispanics, and they came out. We had the Cinco de Mayo and all the celebrations there. It is probably the most popular thing that has ever been done in the city of Tulsa.
I went back and talked to these people. I said: Do you agree with the polling data that shows very clearly that Hispanics want to have English as the national language? And they said yes. This is a group I have been dealing with since 1978.
I think it may be someone's impression that certain extremist groups--and I am sure there are some extremist groups that have a large number of Latinos in them. They may be offended. They may not want to have this. That is fine. Let them exercise their influence on every voter, each of the 100 Members of this body. That is the way the system works.
But I will say this. Jumping from the ones I know and the ones I have had experience with back in my city of Tulsa, the Hispanic population is very proud of the fact that they are going to learn English, and it should be our national language. As recently as 2 months ago, a Zogby poll, in March of 2006, found that 84 percent of Americans, including 77 percent of the Hispanics, believe English should be the official language of Government operations. In 2002, the Kaiser Family Foundation poll--which I don't think anyone is going to question--found 91 percent of the foreign-born Latino immigrants agreed that learning English is essential to succeeding in the United States. In 2002, there is also a Carnegie/Public Agenda poll that found by a more than 2-to-1 margin, immigrants themselves say that the United States should expect new immigrants to learn English.
My favorite poll is this one. In 2004, the National Council of LaRaza found that 97 percent--strongly 86.4 percent or somewhat 10.9 percent-- agreed that the ability to speak English is important to succeed in this country. That is a no-brainer. We all know that. There is not a country you go to where that is not true.
I would say this. There are 50 other countries around the world today that have English as their national language. In these countries, they expect you, when you come to their country, to learn English. But if you go to another country, if it is Italy or France or any other country, you are expected to be able to communicate in their language.
In 1988, G. Lawrence Research showed 87 percent favored English as an official language with only 8 percent opposed and 5 percent not sure. That was 1988. Very consistent; about the same numbers. A 1996, national survey by Luntz Research asked, ``Do you think English should be made the official language of the United States?'' and 86 percent of Americans supported making English the official language and only 12 percent opposed and only 2 unsure. That was 1996.
In 2000, Public Opinion Strategies, showed 84 percent favored English as the official language, with only 12 percent opposed and 4 percent not sure.
In 2004 another Zogby poll, that was a different one than the one I quoted, but 92 percent of Republicans, 76 percent of Democrats, and 76 percent of Independents favored making English the national language. Again, that was a March poll of Zogby. It is consistent throughout.
You have some things working here. You have everybody wanting it, including the Latin community. You have more than half the States, 27 of the 50 States--27 States have accepted English as an official language, including Colorado, I might add, I say to my good friend from Colorado. Let's see where Illinois is. Yes, Illinois. You don't have a problem in Illinois. You already have it as a State concept that has been accepted.
So if you have 27 States, you have 51 other nations accepting English as the national language, you have all the polling data showing this is what people want, you have an exception made so no one is going to lose anything by doing it this way, then I can only come to the conclusion that you don't want it as the national language.
That is fine. That is good. If that is the case, we are going to have a vote at 4:15 and make that determination.
Before I yield, let me ask how our time is coming along.
I yield the floor at this point.
Do I personally want that? No, I don't. This amendment doesn't do that because it makes those exceptions because what you are referring to is the law.
It is my understanding, I say to the Senator from Illinois, that the courts already have had some interpretations of that which perhaps are not the same as you are stating right now. What the courts have interpreted I stand behind because that means it is law. That is according to my amendment.
You will have an opportunity to have that in your side- by-side amendment that will be voted on after mine. My answer is no because we have already massaged this language. A lot of people are supporting this. If I start changing things now, as you well know, they are going to start peeling off, and I won't have the support I have right now. We will have an opportunity to vote on my amendment. Then we will have an opportunity to vote on whatever language you decide to put in, in your amendment.
Mr. President, I yield as much time as the Senator from Tennessee requires.
Mr. President, I know the minority leader has several speakers who want to speak. I also know that virtually everyone on our side is wanting to stay with the 4:15 vote.
What I would like to do, of course, is encourage the minority leader to use his leader time if necessary but go ahead and allow anyone on the other side to use time at this time.
I yield the floor.
Mr. President, will the Senator yield?
You mentioned several things. I believe the last one you mentioned was covered in the Court Interpreters Act of 1978. It does allow you to have that, and it is actually written into law.
I would also suggest that these are already in law. This is not something that has to be done.
Those protections are specifically exempted on page 2.
Mr. President, let me go ahead and respond.
Mr. President, it is my understanding the manager has agreed to allow 45 more minutes for the other side; is that correct?
That is acceptable.
Mr. President, one request I would have, if the Senator would yield for a moment.
Mr. President, when Senator Salazar wants to make a correction, I have a correction to make at the same time. We could do that right now, if you want to do it.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent to modify the amendment on page 2, to change the word ``official'' to the word ``national.''
If the Senator from California could hold off for a minute, I think we have heard some very eloquent statements in opposition to an amendment that doesn't exist. We could stand up and talk about the flags of the different States. This has nothing to do with that. Yes, I have made probably five speeches on the floor in Spanish. Every time we did, I had to go up and put it down in English for the Record. I don't mind that. This has nothing to do with that. As far as there being nothing in here encouraging people, if you look at section 767, this is encouraging people and helping people to learn the English language, a concept that 90 percent of Hispanics in America want. I just hope that anyone listening realizes that these are excellent arguments, but they have nothing to do with this amendment.
I yield the floor.
Mr. President, again, it is a beautiful statement in opposition to an amendment that doesn't exist. When the Senator from California talks about emergencies and an emergency evacuation, I previously used the example of California because I suspected she might be coming down. That is, if there is an evacuation or some emergency, it can be done in Chinese so Chinatown can all evacuate. That is not a problem.
Yet when I spoke on the floor in Spanish, the only reason I had to translate it is because that is one of the rules of the Senate. It has nothing to do with this bill. That would not be affected in any way.
I yield to the Senator from South Carolina 8 minutes.
Mr. President, would the Senator yield?
I don't have time. We were very generous in giving you time, I would remind you.
Mr. President, where in this bill does it say you can't put those signs up, or where does it say in this bill that my speech that I made in Spanish would not be able to be included in the Congressional Record?
If the gentleman will yield, colloquy goes two ways. Let me just respond.
Mr. President, just one comment.
First of all, I request that the minority leader not use leadership time since he now has 45 more minutes than we have, but that is just a request.
I would say this: We have a very short period of time to wind up. I would have to say that all of these ridiculous examples, such as the one the Senator from Illinois just came up with and the flag examples, have nothing to do with this amendment. It might be some other amendment that was referred to. This merely recognizes and declares English to be our national language. We have exceptions for anything that is in there in law or would refer to anything else that is accepted.
Mr. President, I would like to ask, how much time do we have remaining?
Mr. President, I yield 5 minutes to the Senator from Tennessee.
Mr. President, I think it is very obvious what is going on here. It has been 23 years since we have had a chance to vote on it. It probably will be the last time most Members--maybe all of the Members in this Chamber--will have a chance to vote to make English the national language.
Those who are offering this amendment today don't want English to be the national language. They use the word ``common,'' the common language.
Those opposing this amendment want an entitlement to have the Federal Government provide for language, services, and materials. They can do it now. If you pass this bill, they can still do it. It is just not mandatory. It is not something that can't be done; it doesn't have to be done. They say that national origin equates to language. Their claims are consistently refuted by the Federal Government, the most recent one being in 2001, the Sandoval case.
The opponents of this don't want people learning English but instead being served in foreign languages.
I think it is interesting that the word ``racist'' was used. I just wish the people here knew what has happened in the past and what I have been involved in in my State of Oklahoma. This is not the time to repeat what I said earlier. But the bottom line is I received the highest award given by the Hispanic community in the city of Tulsa. I started the first Hispanic community commission, and it is now a model for the Nation.