Madam President, to me it is rather astonishing the extent to which we are discussing this historic immigration bill and how little our focus has been on the real impact of it, what immigration means, how to make it better, how to serve…
Madam President, to me it is rather astonishing the extent to which we are discussing this historic immigration bill and how little our focus has been on the real impact of it, what immigration means, how to make it better, how to serve the national interests to do the kinds of things the American people want us to do. We really talked about a lot of hot-button issues, but we have not focused on the substance of what we are doing, how many people the country can absorb legally every year. We do 1 million legally every year. How many more can we assimilate effectively and have reasonable expectations that they would find good work in America, to be able to have them find work but not put Americans out of work, and what kinds of skill sets do we need most? Will our system of enforcement work? And there are many other questions like that.
So I would say that to some degree we have missed that discussion. We are told that today--now we are going on 11 o'clock--we will see a magic amendment, the amendment that fixes everything, that we can just relax and go home and take a good nap because we have an amendment that is going to fix all of the problems in the legislation. Well, that is odd because we were told when the bill was announced that it was the toughest legislation ever, that it fixed everything, it did not need any improvement, we are all OK with it, you all just pass it, and if you raise questions about it--as I did--then you are not a good fellow, you are not being nice if you point out problems.
Apparently, now the sponsors of the bill have realized that they have a lot of problems, that as the bill has been examined and actually read--the thousand pages of it here, it has been read and studied--more and more and more problems have been found with it.
We have had a great deal of discussion about the border. The border security issue is a very important issue, but it is one of the issues in establishing a good lawful immigration system that serve the national interests. It's just one of the issues. It was nothing like the bill's sponsors promised. It would not have accomplished the job.
Those of us who were asking the tough questions--people tried to dismiss the concerns. They finally had to deal with the issue that it did not do what they promised. It was a big problem. So now they have accepted an amendment, it appears, that would change the legislation quite a bit--at least with regard to the border. That was talked about a lot because it always symbolizes whether we are serious about enforcement.
It was so weak in the legislation. When the bill first started, they proposed spending $6.5 billion on border security. Then, as it went through committee and complaints arose, they went up to $8.3 billion-- about a 30-percent increase. Then the bill hit the floor and the American people began to find out how weak it was, and our phones started ringing--almost in a panic, it seems.
A group has met in secret. They have announced the Corker-Hoeven agreement to spend $38 billion, to add 20,000 agents. It is all fixed. Vote for the bill. Now you have no excuse. You have to vote for the bill. But if you are holding a bucket of water and it has a bunch of holes in it and you close one of the holes, all of the water is still going to run out of the bucket.
There are other problems with the legislation. There was just one problem that was so dramatic and so plainly contrary to the promises the sponsors had made for their bill that it was really devastating. Now, in total retreat and capitulation, they have talked about adding 20,000 agents and spending $38 billion on the border.
We do not want to hear you guys complain anymore. Now you just hush and pass our bill. Do not talk about what else is in it. Do not talk about the policy issues that are raised by the legal flow of immigration we have. You just pass the bill now because we answered the border security problem.
Well, this is not the way it is going to be. We should be able to do dramatic things and effective things at the border with $38 billion, but, as I will point out in a little bit, we are not sure at all that is going to happen in an effective, smart way, especially when it has come up in this fashion and especially since we have passed laws repeatedly that mainly require certain things to happen and then they never happen, such as fencing.
We said the last time we passed a bill that we had to build 700 miles of double-layer fencing. Well, that was in 2008, I believe. Today we have 36 miles of double-layer fencing and about 300 miles of pedestrian fencing. So now they say they have their 700 miles. Well, it remains to be seen if that will ever happen, No. 1, but, No. 2, it is not double- layer, as we passed in law previously. That never happened. It is just a single-layered fence, which is much easier to penetrate. A double- layered fencing system with a vehicular ability to move between the fences is very, very effective. It has proven effective before. That is why it was put in the bill--not because someone wanted to sound tough but because it will work.
Things that really work tend to be blocked in the Senate. Things that would actually make the system transform from illegality to legality have always been blocked, in my experience, since I have been in the Senate. It is amazing to me in that regard.
We have not seen the amendment. We were told we would have it last night at 6 o'clock. We were on track to have a series of amendment votes, some important amendments to be voted on. We were getting ready to do that. All of a sudden, it was announced that an agreement had been reached and a new amendment had been offered. This amendment was going to fix the border. It was going to spend more money than ever. Nobody now had a right to complain about the immigration bill before us, S. 744. We had it fixed. The series of amendments we thought we had--no votes were cast on them.
Actually, the night before, a tentative agreement had been reached to vote on as many as 16 amendments. That would have been a nice start to begin the discussion, allow people to point out that there is a weakness in the bill and propose a solution to fix it. That is the way legislation is supposed to go. You bring forth an amendment and you say: This bill lacks this. This provision in the bill is wrong. I have a fix for it. This is my offer. This is my amendment.
That is the way good legislation should be processed in the Senate. That was all stopped.
So we waited--6 o'clock, 7 o'clock, 8 o'clock, 9 o'clock, 10 o'clock. I think it was 10:30 when we departed and still there appeared no magic amendment that is going to fix every problem with the legislation. No magic amendment. Here we are at 11 o'clock and we still have not seen it. Frankly, I would like to read it. I am going to read it. We read this one. It did not do what the sponsors said. They had good talking points. I could have voted for the talking points. I liked what they said, basically, in the talking points, but it was not in the bill. That is the problem.
I have been a Federal prosecutor for many years. It is the law that gets enforced, not some Senator's talking point. That is worthless. It is what is in the bill. It requires and directs agents to do this and that. It requires judges to do this and that. It requires law enforcement officers to do this and that. So what counts is what is in that bill.
With regard to this new amendment, I would like to ask a couple of things to Senators Hoeven and Corker. Does your amendment put enforcement before the legality? Does it put enforcement before amnesty?
Is this before the first legalization is allowed to occur, or is the amnesty still first? They told us initially they were going to have enforcement first. By a 4-to-1 margin the American people have said they are prepared to treat with compassion the people who have entered the country illegally, have been here for a long time and done, otherwise, the right things. We are prepared to be compassionate and deal with them--but we don't trust Washington. We want to see you do the enforcement before you give this legal status.
This is common sense. There is nothing wrong with that. The American people aren't mean spirited when they say that. They have seen this game before. They have seen how it has been played before. They don't have confidence in us. I can cite example after example after example of laws, rules, promises made, and never carried out.
That is why we have such a massive, illegal flow into America and how we have accumulated 11 million people, many of them wonderful people. This isn't the way we want the system to work. I think that is the question, why do we have amnesty first again.
Senator Grassley, our ranking member on the Judiciary Committee, has repeatedly said: I was here in 1986, and I voted for the amnesty in 1986. I thought it was going to work, and it was a mistake. We should have seen it was not going to work. We had the amnesty first. We had promised to do all kinds of enforcement in the future, and that never happened. This is why we are at this spot again today. That is the history of it.
What about the fencing that is promised in the bill? Does the amendment require any fence to be built before the amnesty is granted? I want to know that when we see your amendment. Do we have any confidence that we will ever see the fence built any more than we saw it when we passed laws previously to build fences that never occurred?
Does your amendment require a biometric exit system as required by current law? Under current law the Congress of the United States has required that the executive branch create an entry-exit visa system that is biometric. It basically means you use your fingerprints. Your fingerprints are read so you can't bring in a document and say I am John Doe and not be John Doe. When you come into the country, your fingerprints are recorded. When you go out of the country, your fingerprints are recorded. You clock out like many companies do in the workplace. You put your card in and your time is accounted for. We know when you came, when you left, did you overstay, or did you depart as required by law.
Current law says we will do that. You will be fingerprinted when you enter, and that is done. You are fingerprinted when you enter the country, but what has never been done is the exit system when you depart the country. Every kind of excuse has been made for that, but the truth is there is no excuse for not doing that.
Does this amendment fix that problem? The experts tell us, and the Congressional Budget Office reported a few days ago, that we are going to see an increase in visa overstays under this bill and the trends we are facing. There are several reasons for this. One big one is the legal flow of workers into our country; guest workers who come to take jobs, work for certain periods of time, will double. CBO predicts you are going to have an increase of the number of people who overstay their visas.
Since we have no ability to clock people when they depart, it becomes unenforceable. I think they are exactly right about that. Right now the entry visa system is responsible for 40 percent of illegal entries into the United States. Visa overstays account for approximately 40 percent of the current illegal population.
I think we can expect, with the large increase in guest worker programs--well over 50 percent in the future responsible for illegal entries into the country.
Does this amendment fix that, Senator Hoeven and Senator Corker? This is half of the problem, more than half of the problem, frankly, if this bill passes. I don't believe it is likely to do so.
Current law says there shall be a biometric entry-exit at all air, sea, and land ports. What does this bill say? The toughest bill ever, they say. Does that make it stronger? Does it fix the weakness in the current system? No. It says you have to have an electronic system--much weaker than biometric. It says you have to have it only at air and sea ports but not at land ports.
This bill is plainly weaker than current law.
I will ask this to the amendment sponsors: Does it actually have a mechanism to require those who receive the amnesty to pay back Federal, State, and local taxes? Is that part of the deal? That is what has been touted, we have been told repeatedly. They are going to pay back taxes. Let me say, it is not going to happen under this legislation. There is no way this is even going to create an attempt by the IRS to go back and try to investigate persons to see who owes more taxes.
That is a talking point. Talking points aren't law. Talking points aren't reality. They are political weapons used to advance the agenda of those who have special interests.
I would ask this question: Does your amendment require those who receive amnesty to learn English? They say our bill requires people to learn English, but it doesn't, as you can plainly tell if you read the legislation. Illegal immigrants will immediately receive legal status under this bill. After they have been here for ten years or, for some, only five years, they can adjust to legal permanent resident status. At the end of 10 years in RPI status, if you speak English, then you can adjust to LPR status. If you are not speaking English and you are in a course, then they have to give you permanent legal status. You don't have to pass the course. All you have to do in your 9th year, the 10th month, is sign up for an English course somewhere, and get your legal status under the bill. Would that loophole be fixed?
Does the amendment, my colleagues, prohibit people with multiple DUIs from receiving amnesty? Do you do anything about that loophole?
Does your amendment require that anyone applying for amnesty actually be interviewed? This is one of the big shocking weaknesses in the legislation.
When a person is transformed from a person in illegal status to an RPI status, the legal status, which happens in a few months, what do we do to make sure that person isn't a known criminal? That person could be a terrorist. What do we do about that? Normally, one of the most valuable things that can be done in these processes is to interview the person.
It appears quite plainly this bill--the bill certainly does not require interviews. It is almost certain that DHS will not undertake them voluntarily either, having seen how Homeland Security is handling the DACA program. There are reports that USCIS is not interviewing those applicants face to face. This is a big weakness in the system. It is almost guaranteed that nobody is going to be interviewed face to face and actually examined to see if the paperwork they are submitting has any validity at all. Many times that meeting can identify a weakness in the paperwork and lead to further investigation. If you don't have interviews and you otherwise aren't smart about how you administer it, large numbers of people can get status they don't deserve through utilizing fake documents. We can expect that to happen, and it should not happen.
We are being generous under this bill with regard to the people who would be given legal status, but only those who qualify should get it. People who don't qualify should not get it, or we are perpetuating illegality again indefinitely into the future.
Does the amendment prohibit those who have domestic violence convictions from receiving the legal status? Not so in the bill today.
Does the amendment ensure those who do not receive amnesty would actually be deported in the future? A lot of people will not qualify. They should not have amnesty. We come to find out they have been convicted of a felony, drug dealing, assault with intent to murder, robbery. Should they be given amnesty? No, we say, they shouldn't be given amnesty. Well, do they get to stay here if they are identified, found, and arrested for some other crime? Shouldn't they be deported? We need to be sure the persons who do not qualify are going to be deported.
I have an amendment that is a serious amendment that would help move us from this present failed system, to one that could actually work, to deal with interior enforcement and deportation in a proper manner.
I have a letter that came in from June 19, 2013, addressed to Senators Corker and Hoeven from the National Immigration Customs Enforcement Council of the American Federation of Government Employees, signed by Mr. Chris Crane, their very able, competent president. This is what Mr. Crane said, writing on behalf of the 7,600 agents and officers:
According to the National Journal, you are working on an
amendment with members of the Gang of Eight to ``help pass a
bill.'' I am concerned that your amendment as outlined in the
article not only provides immediate legalization before
enforcement, but also appears to completely neglect interior
enforcement. S. 744 drastically reduces the ability of ICE
officers to do their jobs while providing legal status to
convicted criminals, including gang members, drunk drivers,
and sex offenders.
I can assure you these are not the types of ``reforms'' sought by the American public, in fact, these are not reforms at all but, instead provisions written by special interest groups concerned only with their own political agendas and future financial gains.
This is a man who heads the law officers association, who has had his officers blocked from enforcing the law by political directives from the supervisor. It is a plain fact. They have negated the ability of the law of America to be enforced.
He continues:
Any plan is doomed to fail that does not empower ICE agents
to enforce the laws enacted by Congress--and that does not
put an end to the unlawful abuse of prosecutorial discretion
by political appointees.
There is some history to this. The ICE officers are in an uproar. The morale of the ICE officers was ranked near the absolute bottom of 170- something government agencies. They are out there risking their lives dealing with criminals and people in violation of the law. What did they hear from their political supervisors? Don't enforce the law. Don't follow through on what you are required to do by congressional action. They have actually filed a lawsuit against their supervisors because they are being told by the supervisors not to do what they took an oath to do, which is to enforce the law.
Mr. Crane states:
Yet, instead of cracking down on the Administration's abuse
of power, S. 744 places unprecedented new restrictions on
interior enforcement--making the current situation much worse
and much more hazardous. It is as if S. 744 were explicitly
written to handcuff law enforcement officers--binding their
hands while giving virtually unchecked authority to executive
branch officials to prevent future removals, including
removals of criminal aliens. These are the people doing the job every day. They were never talked to. They asked to meet with the Gang of 8. No, they didn't want to hear from them. The Gang of 8 wanted to hear from their special friends. They wanted to hear from the special business groups who wanted cheap labor. They wanted to hear from big labor. They wanted to hear from La Raza. They wanted to hear from special interest groups, and they heard from them--the chamber of commerce and ag industrial groups. That is who met with them. That is who wrote the bill--those special interests along with the American Immigration Lawyers Association. I assure you they have put into this bill, in place after place after place, where now they can file cases, appeals, and create disorder within the normal operating system of immigration.
Mr. Crane goes on to say:
Absent drastic improvements to the interior enforcement
provisions, there is no doubt that S. 744 will undermine the
constitutional rule of law, guarantee future illegal
immigration, and place the public at risk.
That is a dramatic statement, and I am not seeing it anywhere close to being refuted. As to the question, does it guarantee future illegal immigration, look, the Congressional Budget Office did the report for us. They are nonpartisan. They serve all of us. We have a Democratic Senate majority and Mr. Elmendorf was picked by them, but he is a fair man. He said we would only see a 25-percent reduction in the number of illegal entries into America if this bill is passed.
Our colleagues promised it was going to end the illegality; that it was going to be the toughest bill ever. The Congressional Budget Office this week said this legislation will reduce illegality only by 25 percent. That is just not acceptable. That is not acceptable. We have been told so much different, and Mr. Chris Crane says the same thing. He goes on to say this:
S. 744 not only fails to contain needed interior
enforcement provisions, but weakens interior enforcement.
This is because powerful special interests involved in
crafting the bill's language are opposed to interior
enforcement--a fact ICE officers are all too familiar with.
The political agendas of these groups place the public safety
and security of our Nation at risk.
I believe he is accurate. I know he cares about what he is doing. Mr. Crane is a very impressive young leader--a marine. He loves his country. He believes this bill is bad for America and he has had the courage to state that and his association has backed him up on it. They are all in it together, I guess. He goes on to say this, in addressing the sponsors of the amendment:
As respected political leaders, I am asking you both to
work with me and others in Congress and law enforcement in
ensuring that this bill puts the safety of America before
powerful special interests.
I think that is a very important letter. It cannot be that our colleagues can promote a piece of legislation as being the most effective improvement in history when our own officers who are out there trying to enforce the law say it makes it worse. It is very disappointing.
I wanted to kind of tease my colleagues a little bit about this amendment that we are still waiting to see. It hasn't appeared yet. We thought we were going to have it at 6 o'clock last night, then 7, then 8, then 9, then 10, then 10:30, and now it is 11:20 the next morning and we still haven't seen it. Presumably it must be OK, though, because it is going to fix everything we need to be concerned about.
Senator Schumer, in the markup in the Judiciary Committee, in talking about enforcement, said this. This was all about Mr. Cornyn, our able Senator from Texas, who offered an amendment in the markup in the Judiciary Committee to enhance enforcement at the border and do a lot of different things he thought were important and add 5,000 new Border Patrol agents. So what did our colleagues who had written the bill--the Gang of 8--who said they were going to stick together and fight off any amendment that had any significance to it--and they all rallied and fought off the Cornyn amendment, too--what did they say about Senator Cornyn's steps to make the legal system work better and to add some new agents to the border? Being a Texas Senator, he is familiar with those issues. Senator Schumer said this:
Just on the border alone, Senator McCain and I had an
amendment a few months ago that spent--a few years ago,
rather, that spent about $600 to $800 million on the border
and effectiveness rate went up from 68 to 82. We spent much
more than that, as much as $6.5 billion.
In other words, they spend in this bill, they say, $6.5 billion, as I mentioned earlier.
This is what he goes on to say:
The border will effectively be closed, we believe, with
these expenditures, in the way they will be done.
If he is going to spend a total of $6.5 billion in this bill and effectively close the border, how is it he is now supporting an amendment that would add 20,000 agents to the border? Because the bill is in trouble and they are in panic mode, I would suggest.
A little later, in the same markup, referring to the Border Patrol agents, he said this:
Their numbers have gone way, way up and most people think
they're an adequate number.
Why, that was just May 9, a little over 1 month ago. He said they were an
adequate number; that we don't need any more Border Patrol agents, and they attacked Senator Cornyn for having the temerity to suggest we needed 5,000 more. Now, when the bill is in trouble and they are in panic mode, they are coming in with an amendment--though we haven't seen it yet--they claim will add 20,000 Border Patrol agents.
Back in the markup on May 9, Senator Schumer said this:
Look, our goal is to make the border much more secure and
we do. We do dramatically.
If it does all that, why do we need a new amendment? The point I am making, what I am saying is the talking points of the bill sponsors have been positive, positive, positive throughout. They say the things people want to hear. The question is, does our legislation do what people want done? That is the question.
Back then he said we are doing all you want, the border is effectively closed, we don't need any more agents.
Senator Flake, in talking about Senator Cruz from Texas, who offered an amendment in the Judiciary Committee markup on the border, and ably did so, said this:
We add in our legislation 3,500 new customs agents. That's
at a cost of about $6 billion--3,500. What we're talking
about here is tripling border patrol. It's currently at about
21,000. Take it to 60,000. So 40,000 new agents. We're
talking about $30, $40 billion to do that. . . . and I know
it's sincere--a desire to--to put more resources on the
border, but we have fiscal restraints here.
So he opposed it, one of the Gang of 8 Members.
At the markup, Senator Schumer said:
And so, to simply for us to dictate, when we are not the
experts, to quadruple border patrol, is, in my opinion,
something, you know, that you might accuse me of: throwing
money at a problem without really knowing what its effect
would be.
He goes on to say on the floor, in talking about this bill on June 11, just a week or so ago, before the Corker amendment had ever been dreamed of:
Make no mistake our border will be secured as a result of
this bill. We appropriate $6.5 billion upfront in this bill
to bolster our security efforts. That is in addition to the
annual appropriations made for each year of border security.
That must not have been accurate. He said the bill had taken care of it; that they have an adequate amount in the bill as it is, and now this would add 20,000 more Border Patrol agents. Again, the point is, we get positive spin no matter what the circumstances are because they are out to sell this bill. They are out to promote their creation, and they have lost sight of what it actually does. They have truly lost sight, in my opinion, of the fundamental responsibility of important legislation, which is not to achieve a political end but to achieve a better America, to serve the national interest.
I am going to continue to ask: Does this bill serve the interest of the people of the United States of America? Not economically and not legally, in my opinion.
Now this is Senator McCain, on June 18, just the other day:
But those who think we need more people--we do need more
people to facilitate movement across our ports of entry.
He says it is too slow; that we want more people to come in quicker. Continuing to quote Senator McCain:
But we have 21,000 border patrol. Today there are, on the
Arizona-Mexico, there are people sitting in vehicles in 120-
degree heat. What we need is not more people, because we've
gone--in 1986 we had 4,000 border patrol to 21,000, but what
we need is the technology that has been developed in the
intervening years.
So he says what we need is not more people, and what he means is we don't need more Border Patrol agents, that we need some more technology. That is what they said last time when they undermined the fence. Some may remember the phrase they used then was that we are going to create a ``virtual fence.'' We are going to create a high-tech fence. We don't need to build those old fences. That is not good. We are going to take care of it with technology. So we spent, as Senator McCain said on the floor, I think it was $980 million on a virtual fence at our borders that utterly failed. We got nothing for it. What else didn't we get? We didn't get the fence. We wasted $1 billion on a failed technology and didn't build the fence that was promised.
This is why the American people are not confident that anything politicians tell them, about immigration particularly, will ever happen, and the American people are right. Time and again, politicians have promised, promised, promised and never delivered, delivered, delivered. That is just a fact. I think this bill and these statements say a lot.
With regard to Senator Cornyn's amendment that would add 5,000 agents and do some other things, this is what Senator Schumer said back in the committee in May, just this last month:
And what we have learned, and it was hit home to me when
Senator Flake and Senator McCain took me to the Arizona
portion of the border, it's vast. We have more people on the
border patrol. What's the number? 21,000. I think it was
triple what it was 5 years ago. But you can't have--yeah, if
you want to have the whole Federal budget, you guys figure
out how you're going to spend and get that money, the whole
Federal budget on just the border patrol? You could probably
have 100 percent operational control.
So he was saying then don't question our bill. This does all we need. We don't have the money to spend more on it. Now, apparently, he is trumpeting the great bipartisan agreement that would add 20,000 more Border Patrol people.
Maybe we need more Border Patrol agents and we need to use technology and we need to use fences wisely, but what we need is a Secretary of Homeland Security who knows what they are doing, who is committed to ending the illegality and using every resource we have wisely to confront this illegality and ending it.
If we had that the last 4 years, we would have had far more reduction in illegality on the border than we have seen, and we would be in a much better position to go to the American people and say let's talk about amnesty now because we have proven we have made real progress. But they have never wanted to do that. They have been listening to the voices out there and the political interests and the special interests, and they have not done it.
Now we have 11 million people here. What is their solution? Surrender to the illegality. Just give up. We will just give amnesty to everybody here and we will pass a law and we promise it will fix things and we do not really worry whether it does or not. I can tell you it will not, it will not fix it.
There are a lot of things that are noteworthy. I would like to talk about them as we go forward on this legislation. One of them I think is interesting, and I am just going to raise it because it is an issue we need to confront. We hear it a lot. People are talking like this out there. Bill O'Reilly's talking points memo is consistently a high-grade memo that has valuable insights that I think Americans would do well to listen to on a regular basis. He is a very insightful individual.
In regard to what he said last night, I got a transcript of it. I think it shows some of the misconceptions about the legislation that we simply have to correct. It is not sufficient to pass this legislation based on talking points, on spin from the sponsors of the bill. We have to say: OK, does it really do that? How does it do it? Can it be made better? Are there weaknesses?
This is what Bill O'Reilly said last night:
Senator Rubio told me on the phone today that it would be
at least 13 years--13--before people in the country illegally
right now could gain full legal working status and even
longer to achieve citizenship.
We will talk about that. He goes on to say:
"Talking Points'' support immigration reform even though I
well understand the new law will be somewhat chaotic and it
will be a magnet for even more people to come here illegally,
which is why we need stepped up security.
Let's go back to that first statement. It said there ``would be at least 13 years before people in the country illegally right now could gain full legal working status.'' Not so. Not so at all. Not even close. Within a few months everyone who applies for the RPI status, the provisional status, will be given a Social Security card and the right to go to work and be lawful in the country and they cannot be deported unless they commit a serious crime. It is virtually immediately, not 13 years.
It says ``even longer to achieve citizenship.'' That is not accurate either. This is how the citizenship and green
card status works, the permanent legal status: Within months, everybody who qualifies under the 11 million will be given RPI, provisional status, virtually immediately. They will be able to take any job in America, move anywhere they want to in America, displace workers in America, and compete for jobs wherever. That is what will happen under the bill.
For about 2.5 million who were people who came here as teenagers, the so-called DREAMers, they get citizenship in 5 years. They will have citizenship in 5 years. That is 2.5 million. Certain agricultural workers, those individuals who are illegally here, become permanent legal residents. They get their legal right to work immediately. But in 5 years they get permanent legal status, and the other 8 to 10 million illegal immigrants would be eligible for green cards or legal permanent residence in 10 years, not 13.
There is an immediate amnesty that precedes all this. Legal status and the right to work is immediate. It is not 13 years. A large number of persons will be able to have citizenship within 5 years--25 percent, maybe, will be getting that.
I think our people who are commenting about this need to get away from the spin of the sponsors and spin of those who are vested in trying to pass the bill and get down to what the bill actually says. That is very important.
The sponsors of the bill, Senator Schumer and others, claim the bill is paid for, and they have all the money needed to fund the legislation. They claim this Congressional Budget Office report that came out the other day backs them up. But it does not. It does not back them up.
I am ranking member on the Budget Committee, and we need to talk about that in some detail because it is a very important matter. CBO does not back that up. The CBO report showed this bill reducing deficits in the next decade, according to the sponsors of the bill, but in fact CBO plainly states on page 12 of the report that the legislation will increase on-budget deficits over that time--increase deficits of the on-budget accounts.
Why? Because the newly legalized immigrants will be paying some payroll taxes--they will be paying the payroll taxes, Social Security, FICA, Medicare taxes that are withheld from workers' pay--but they are not drawing Social Security benefits at this time because most of them are younger than that and they are not yet past 65.
So that creates a surplus flow, right? Of the $459 billion in new taxes and fees, only about half of that comes from the income taxes these workers are going to pay. Why? Because most of the workers are low-income workers. Over half of the people who are here illegally do not have a high school diploma and they are not making real high wages. You have to earn a pretty sizable wage before you pay any income tax, although you do pay your Social Security, Medicare withholding--the payroll tax.
How do they then say they have money created to pay for all this stuff? They count the money from the payroll taxes, OK? That makes sense, you think, at first glance. But that, by rights, though, belongs to the Social Security trust fund. That is not money available for the government to spend on trips to Africa or some summit somewhere or for Solyndras. That is Social Security money. Using this money to offset other spending is an accounting trick that was used to pass ObamaCare, and it is not right.
Let's go back over that again. The on-budget account--income tax coming in from the legalization because some people who are legalized are going to pay more income tax--but there are a lot of expenses out there too. The earned-income tax credit is a direct payment, not a tax deduction but a direct welfare means-tested payment to poorer workers. That is a big cost. And there are other costs.
So the CBO said income taxes that are paid will be less than the cost of the immigration; therefore, adding $14 billion to the on-budget debt of America. But the sponsors of the bill want to claim their legislation pays for itself. They say: But they are going to be paying Social Security and Medicare taxes; therefore, we want to count that money and that will prove that we paid for the bill.
Really? Aren't the individuals who are now given a Social Security number, allowed to work and pay the payroll taxes--aren't those taxes supposed to be put into a trust fund for their Social Security and Medicare benefits when they do get to be 65? Absolutely. Any surplus money that goes into Social Security and Medicare is not free money given to the U.S. Treasury to spend to pay for border control agents. That money is loaned by the trust funds. They get a Treasury bill in exchange for it. The U.S. Government pays them interest on the money that the Social Security loaned to them. It is their money. It is the trust fund's money.
A lot of people try to deny that, but there actually is one. There are debt instruments showing the transfer of this money, and interest payments are paid by the U.S. Treasury. So you can't count the money that people pay into Social Security as being money that can be used to spend on other programs of the government. That is an important issue.
Mr. Elmendorf, the Director of CBO, the night before the President's health care bill passed--I prevailed upon him to write a letter to explain that. He wrote a letter and said you can't simultaneously--what had happened in ObamaCare was they cut Medicare costs and increased Medicare payroll taxes and used that money to fund his new health care program. They claimed that it strengthened Medicare and at the same time provided money to fund ObamaCare. Mr. Elmendorf used a sentence that I thought was very powerful. I think I can recall it.
He said: You can't simultaneously use the money to strengthen Medicare and pay for a new program. He used the phrase ``double count,'' the kind of things people in business go to jail for. He said that is double counting the money.
This is exactly what has happened here. The money that goes to people's Social Security and Medicare trust fund accounts is not enough now to pay for the amount of money the individual will claim when they become 65 and start retiring and using health care and Social Security checks every month. There is not enough now. You certainly can't claim that this is going to strengthen these programs and provide money for the government to use outside of these programs. According to CBO, that is precisely what this immigration bill does with respect to Social Security. I feel strongly about that.
Mr. President, I see no one else here. I yield the floor at this time and reserve the remainder of my time.
I suggest the absence of a quorum.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Mr. President, as this discussion and debate over the immigration reform has gone on, I have made a number of statements. I think many of them, unfortunately, have been proven true. I said the bill did not promise enforcement at the border. Now apparently we are waiting again to see where this amendment comes. They claim it will dramatically improve enforcement at the border. And
we have not seen it yet. Maybe it will not appear. But they say it will. It was in the newspapers yesterday and said it would fix everything with the bill. Well, of course, it will only deal with the border, apparently, in any significant way. There are many other serious flaws in this legislation that simply have to be addressed.
I also complained that we had all these secret meetings and groups there, and the public interest, the law enforcement interest, was excluded. The only people who were there were special interests. I have talked about that. And I talked about the influence of the White House meetings and directing the agenda and how the bill was all written.
Well, today's New York Times has a story about that. I think it is relevant for us to read because it is further confirmation that we have an elite group of people with special agendas meeting to draft legislation that is going to impact all Americans. It is going to impact the entire country, and nobody is speaking up for the average American citizen in any effective way that I can see. They are not even being thought about. They are talking to pollsters and consultants and political gurus and advocacy groups--open borders groups, low-wage labor groups.
All right, here it is, today's ``New York Times.'' The headline is: ``White House Offers Stealth Campaign to Support Immigration Bill.'' They are stealthy? This is a secret campaign? Apparently so.
The hide-out--
``The hide-out''--
has no sign on the door, but inside Dirksen 201 is a spare
suite of offices the White House has transformed into its
covert immigration war room on Capitol Hill.
Dirksen 201. I did not know that is where they were meeting. Last night on the floor I said: I wonder where they are meeting, plotting all these things. Right now, I presume, they are plotting this amendment, trying to get more votes, and wheeling and dealing and giving Louisiana purchases and cornhusker kickbacks, I suppose, to get votes. Where is the public interest?
Meeting secretly over there in a covert war room in Dirksen.
Strategically located down the hall from the Senate
Judiciary Committee--
The Judiciary Committee room is on the second floor too.
in one of the city's massive Congressional office buildings,
the work space normally reserved for the vice president is
now the hub of a stealthy legislative operation run by
President Obama's staff. Their goal is to quietly secure
passage of the first immigration overhaul in a quarter
century.
So that is where the driving force is coming from. I have been wondering where they have been meeting. Now the New York Times tells us.
It goes on:
``We are trying hard not to be heavy handed about what we
are doing,'' said Cecilia Munoz, the director of the White
House Domestic Policy Council and the president's point
person on immigration.
Director Munoz is an able person, but she has an agenda on immigration. She was one of the leaders in La Raza a number of years ago and publicly stated that workplace verification--the things this bill claims to have in it, but not very effectively, I am afraid; and we have never implemented it effectively before--but there was a workplace verification plan in the 1986 amnesty bill that was supposed to keep illegal entrants from getting jobs in America. It was under fierce criticism and basically never worked. Ms. Munoz said that workplace verification was discrimination. In other words, to have a policy that would require businesses to provide jobs only to people who were legally in America is discrimination. She attacked it and said Congress had a moral obligation to repeal that law. I want to say, this is the White House director of the immigration policy. This is not an evenhanded policy we have. It is being driven by this kind of agenda. It just is.
The article goes on to say:
Six years ago President George W. Bush publicly sent
cabinet secretaries to roam the Capitol building daily to try
to woo Republican senators for a similar immigration bill.
But this time, high-profile help from the White House is
anathema to many Republicans who do not want to be seen by
constituents as carrying out the will of Mr. Obama.
So Republicans are sneaking over there. Maybe somebody ought to sit outside room 201 and see how many Republicans go in.
It goes on to say:
So while lawmakers from both parties are privately relying
on the White House--
``Privately relying on the White House''--both parties--
and its agencies to provide technical information to draft
scores of amendments to the immigration bill, few
Republicans are willing to admit it.
Well, I would think--I do not know why they would not want to admit the President is basically drafting this bill and it is President Obama's legislation fundamentally. That has been obvious to me, but I did not have any proof of it until we read the New York Times today.
Quoting:
So while lawmakers from both parties are privately relying
on the White House . . . to provide technical information . .
. [s]ome are so eager to prove that the White House is not
pulling the strings that their aides say the administration
is not playing any role at all.
And they quote Mr. Alex Conant, a spokesman for Senator Rubio, to that effect.
Well, who is writing this? Who is involved? The White House or not? It is pretty clear to me the White House is.
It goes on to say this:
Inside Room 201, the administration has gathered a
collection of its own Congressional lobbyists, policy
specialists and experts from an alphabet soup of the agencies
that will have to put the immigration legislation into effect
if it passes. They all moved into the vice president's
offices on June 10, setting up laptop computers and thick
binders filled with proposed amendments on an oval conference
table.
There is no doubt about that, this bunch is prepared. This legislation was put together haphazardly, in my opinion; fundamentally, not well written. But everything else about it has been carefully, meticulously planned with every kind of force they can bring to bear-- money to run ads nationwide, sending people into living rooms in Alabama and Indiana and Illinois saying this is the toughest bill ever. It is nowhere close to being as tough as the 2007 bill. It is weaker than current law, as it lays before us today. They said all kinds of things and how it was brought in committee, how it was brought to the floor, that they have studied every bitty bit of it.
They have drafted talking points that they believe are poll tested. They have talking points that people want to hear: that we are going to treat compassionately people who are here illegally. Americans want to do that. They do not want to try to uproot families who have been here for years, who have children here, who have deep roots here. But they want the lawlessness to end.
So they promised that. They have all kinds of promises in their talking points, but they are not accurate, as I have pointed out repeatedly. Senator Lee said last night it is not the talking points that becomes law; it is these 1,000 pages that become law. What impact will it have on the ability of law enforcement to have a lawful system in the future? That is the question.
Well, what do we know? Chris Crane with the association of ICE officers, interior enforcement officers, said it will make the situation worse, not better.
The article goes on to say:
``We have folks who know the Senate really well, who know
the players, who have been through this before so they know
exactly what Senate staff needs,'' Ms. Munoz said. ``We are
deeply, deeply engaged.''
Well, maybe Ms. Munoz could not keep it to herself, she could not keep the secret. The secret was supposed to be: We don't tell anybody President Obama is writing the bill because his administration has weakened law enforcement systematically. He has no credibility with the American people on immigration reform. So even though they have been writing it, doing all the staff work and supporting it continuously, they did not want anybody to know. But maybe she is getting a little nervous. Maybe she and the President are afraid folks will not know it is their effort and so they could not keep it quiet any longer. I do not know. Washington is a funny place.
It goes on to say in the article:
At one point, Mr. Pagano, Ms. Escobar and the other White
House advisers huddled for 45 minutes in the smaller of the
two rooms with Mr. Leahy's top aides. Working from
spreadsheets, they discussed each of the 10 amendments that
Mr. Leahy was likely to bring to the floor for a vote that
day.
``When Republican amendments are filed and we are trying to
decide, 'Can we accept
this? Can we accept this without some modifications?' they
are the ones who tell us--
``They are the ones who tell us''--
`This is quite doable,' '' said one Democratic Senate
leadership aide, who requested anonymity to talk about
legislative strategy.
Well, that is very much affirming of the little overheard statement on the hot mic in the Judiciary Committee. When an amendment came up that would have some effect on the Gang of 8's bill--and they had all agreed they would vote down anything that was bad--Senator Schumer was heard to ask one of his staffers: Do the Republicans have a pass on this?
What was he saying? He was saying: We will let these Republicans vote for this tougher amendment because we have the votes to kill it anyway. We are going to give them a pass so they do not have to stick with us.
And we had multiple references in the committee--members not of the Gang of 8 saying: Well, I would like to vote for this amendment. I think it is good for America. But I really cannot vote for it because it would upset the Gang of 8 and all their agreements that they have.
By the way, there is a misunderstanding of these agreements. The agreements are understood by most people to be agreements among the Senators. But that is not so. They met in exceedingly great length with Mr. Zuckerberg and the high-tech industry. They met with the agriculture business, the farming interests for large corporate farms.
They met with La Raza. They met with the Immigration Lawyers Association. They met with groups wanting cheap labor. They met with all of those folks. Each one of them was asked to sign on to the bill. They would not sign on to the bill until they got language in it that advocated what they wanted. So they wanted to get their benefits in the bill. Once they got that, one for all, all for one, they signed in blood. We are going to support the bill, but don't you change my special interest.
So the Senators said: Ok. We got all of you special interests to agree, we all agree, we are not going to accept any substantial change to what you have in the bill. We will fight off any amendments. They can make all of the arguments they want about what is good for America, but we have told you, if you will support this bill, we are going to give you what you want.
That is what the deal was all about. It is not good because the American people are the ones who are not being taken care of in this legislation. They discuss in this article, they asked themselves, can we accept this or have we got some conflict out there we cannot accept? The article goes on, ``Mr. Obama's political advisers say they are confident he will get the credit he deserves if the bill passes this summer. . . . ''
That is of big importance to him. They wanted to get credit. They have a political agenda. But what is liable to happen is if the bill passes in its present form, it will do damage to the American working person, families, legal residents, legal immigrants who are here trying to get a better payday. They are getting hammered. It could very well be dangerous to be taking credit for the bill.
Finally, it concludes this way:
But White House and administration officials have been in
frequent touch with Republican senators as the lawmakers have
to come up with dozen of amendments on tighter border
security and other parts of the bill they deem insufficient.
White House officials declined to name them.
Declined to say which Republican Senators are over there begging and scraping to try to get their amendments approved. It goes on to say finally, ``Mr. Pagano's team is planning to remain in Dirksen 201 for as long as the immigration bill remains on the Senate floor-- clandestine, but not completely invisible.''
Another Democratic aide said:
People know where to find them. It's like going to the
nurse's office. They know where it is.
That is a complete revelation of what I have been saying all along; that this is the way this bill has been put together and put together in secret by people not in connection with the American people. They are talking about polling data. They are talking about special agendas they want to accomplish with the legislation. Somehow we have lost sight of the simple values the American people want to see in an immigration bill. They wanted to see a lawful system. They want to see those who wait in line be rewarded. They want a system that serves American interests, a system that emphasizes immigration by people who are most likely to flourish in our society and be able to be successful and not be on welfare, not be dependent. Why, if we cannot accept everybody, why do we not create a system that substantially rewards those who are going to be successful, who are going to pay more in taxes than they will take out in revenue from the government and help create American wealth.
This bill claims to do that. But it is nowhere close to the Canadian bill which has about 70 percent of people there or 60-plus percent of people coming into Canada on a merit-based system. But this bill will be no more than 15 percent, maybe closer to 10 actually. But they claim it is a big move in that direction.
There has been further evidence on who wrote the bill. I will mention this article, June 13 in the Miami Herald about Mr. Leon Fresco, a very talented staff person who works for Senator Schumer who apparently has become the top person writing the bill. Mr. Fresco is from Miami originally and apparently a man of talent and ability. But he is a key guy who is actually writing the bill. Who is writing the bill? Are not Senator McCain and Senator Graham trying to defend America, helping to decide what to do in Libya and Syria? Chuck Schumer is writing tax policy and doing Democratic campaigns. People are busy here. Who is actually writing the bill?
Fresco, now 35--
The article says--
led the brutal negotiating sessions, some of which lasted
until 2 a.m., with staffers of the so-called Gang of Eight
bipartisan team.
Staffers of the Gang of 8, bipartisan team.
He orchestrated several of the most delicate compromises,
including the final and most difficult agreement between the
labor and business interests, which allowed both Democrats
and Republicans to claim victory. It was his hands on the
keyboard drafting passages of the original 844-page bill that
the group ratified.
Now 1,000 pages.
He put in the longest of the long hours, said Chandler
Morse, the immigration staff negotiator for Republican Sen.
Jeff Flake of Arizona. He was the one that everyone called.
He was the one the Republicans called when they were mad
about how things were going--
Morse said--
and he was the one the Democrats called when they were mad
about how things were going. As most often is the case in
Washington, the most significant work on the deal happened
behind closed doors, far from the cameras. Senators gave--
This is important for us all to understand how legislation is drafted, especially when it gets this big, this complicated, and attempts to be comprehensive on a matter that is as broad and as important and complex as immigration.
Senators gave their negotiators the principles to follow, a
framework, compromises they could and could not accept, and
then sent them off to find the solution on matters that have
plagued the nation for decades.
That is the way it has worked--turned it over to the staff. So when I asked my good friend, and I respect his ability and his skill, Senator Schumer, how many people would be admitted into America if the bill passed--I asked him that in Judiciary Committee--he would not say. I do not know that he knew. I had estimated it would be over 30 million-- absolutely confident that was correct. CBO this past week has said it would be 30 million in the first 10 years, three times the number of people given legal status in America in the next 10 years over what the law says should be.
Under the current law, it should be 1 million a year, 10 million over 10. If this bill is passed, 30 million over 10 will receive legal status and be put on a permanent path to citizenship--I mean a permanent path to citizenship. They may not get it in 10 years, but they are close to it and on a path to it. Many of them will receive citizenship--probably 5 million will receive citizenship within 5 years.
The Herald goes on to say, Senator Schumer's good staff person-- ``Fresco set the group's agenda.'' He really went about driving the bill. So this impression that somehow it was a ``coming
together'' of interested people without a real agenda that is seeking to fix our immigration system is not exactly correct, in my view.
My friend Karl Rove, from the Center for American Progress or something like that, raised a bunch of money for Crossroads to run ads in the last election that was supposed to elect Mr. Romney. Did not do so well, Karl. Sorry about that. Wish it had been more effective. I think if Mr. Romney had looked the American people in the eye and said one thing he might have been elected. I am sure Mr. Rove advised him not to do this. If he had just simply said we are going to treat compassionately the people who are in our country a long time, who are here illegally, and we are going to work out something for them. But if you elect me President, we are going to have a lawful system of immigration, that is enforced. We are going to end the lawlessness and we are going to serve the national interest. If you elect me, that is what is going to happen--just might have been Mr. Romney would have been elected President.
But the crew, the Crossroads guys who go to the country clubs and drink with each other and plot and think they knew something about politics, they have not been out talking to real people in decades. They thought they knew better. They have been telling us all what we are supposed to do and what good politics is.
I think good politics is serving the American people's legitimate interests. We are going to ask: Will this impact people's wages? It will impact them in a way businesses like, because the wages will go down so the employers will get to hire more people at lower wages.
Will unemployment--if this bill passes--go up or will more people be unemployed? Unemployment is going up if this bill passes. What about GDP? Of course, if we have 30 million new people in the country, we are going to have some increase in GDP. But per person, will GDP per person go up or down? It goes down. That means wages will go down. This is what I have been saying, and what Professor Borjas at Harvard, Professor Hero, Professor Matloff, and others have been saying repeatedly.
The Congressional Budget Office just asserted that. The Congressional Budget Office said if this bill passes, unemployment goes up, wages go down, GDP per capita goes down. What Professor Borjas said was, yes, certain businesses will profit. They will get the benefit of increased GDP. But the working person will see their wages decline, and the poorer person will have the most decline.
I do not think this can be defended economically. But the fat cats who fund American Crossroads, I am sure, see it differently. Obviously, they do. Mr. Rove said this in his op-ed recently, just last week or so, ``It is also important that Republicans avoid calling a pathway to citizenship amnesty.''
Thank you, Mr. Rove. I appreciate that advice. I have known Karl since college. We were friends in college. I think he is one of the most talented people I know. But I am not taking his advice about this matter. I am still meeting with average American people every week.
He said Republicans should not use the word ``amnesty.'' Do not call the pathway to citizenship amnesty.
We can call it amnesty, I think. He said:
Amnesty is the forgiveness of wrongdoing without penalty,
something President Ronald Reagan advocated and signed into
law with the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act. The law
essentially told those here illegally that if they had
arrived in the United States prior to 1982 and wanted to
become citizens, simply raise your right hand.
He said Reagan didn't do that and that they had a much weaker plan than this one. This one has penalties. This bill has penalties in it. He says, ``They must pay $2,000 in fines: $500 when they surface, $500 if they want to remain in America after 6 years, and $1,000 when finally eligible to apply for a green card'' 10 years later. So that is $2,000 to be paid over 10 years. This is the big fine that is going to be paid. Under the 1987 law, the fine was I believe about $6,000 minimum, $8,000 maximum per person.
This bill is much weaker on fines and penalties than the 2007 bill. This bill is much weaker. These fines are token fines--about $18 a month total. That is the penalty you are paying to be given a guaranteed pathway to citizenship.
I would say it is certainly not a very big penalty, but it is kind of interesting. Ed Meese, a great Attorney General and a friend of Ronald Reagan's, wrote a letter to the Wall Street Journal to respond to Mr. Rove's recollection of the Ronald Reagan amnesty bill. I think he was Attorney General at that time--if not, he soon would be. I believe he was Attorney General at that time, and before that, he was one of President Reagan's closest advisors from California, a former prosecutor, and was very knowledgeable about how the legal and prosecutorial system worked. He said this:
I recall the 1986 Immigration Act rather differently. Karl
Rove's recollection of the 1986 Immigration Reform and
Control Act is, shall we say, highly selective. That law, he
writes, ``essentially told those here illegally that if they
had arrived in the U.S. prior to 1982 and wanted to become
citizens, simply raise your right hand.''
That is what Karl Rove said.
Mr. Meese goes on to say:
[Karl Rove] asserts that the Gang of Eight bill is
different because it ``has plenty of penalties and hurdles
for those here illegally who seek citizenship.''
Well, I was there in '86. I read that bill carefully. (We
did that back then.) And I can tell you that Mr. Rove's
blithe description of the bill is way off the mark. The 1986
act didn't turn illegal immigrants into citizens on the spot.
It granted temporary resident status only to those who could
prove they had resided continuously in America for five
years.
Let me say what this bill does. If you could prove in 1986 that you had been here for 5 years, then you could stay even though you had entered illegally. This bill says that if you entered the United States illegally December 31, 2011, 18 months ago, you will be put on a path to guaranteed citizenship and given immediate legal status. You don't have to prove that you have a job, that you ever had a job. You don't have to prove you have family here, roots here, or any connection here.
Mr. Meese goes on to say, referring to the 1986 law:
After 18 months, their status could be upgraded to
permanent residency, and only after another five years could
they become U.S. citizens.
This bill delays citizenship further because when you become a citizen, you are entitled to all the welfare programs. The government and the sponsors of the bill really felt they wanted to push citizenship out so they could say that immigrants won't receive welfare. It won't impact the Treasury in the first 10 years of the bill, and we normally score costs to the government over 10 years. They moved it outside the 10-year window.
Mr. Meese goes on to say:
But advancement to citizenship was not automatic.
Immigrants had to satisfy various requirements along the way.
They had to pay application fees, learn to speak English,
understand civics, pass a medical exam and register for
military selective service. Those with convictions for a
felony or three misdemeanors were ineligible.
Sound familiar? It's pretty much the same ``penalties and
hurdles'' set forth by the Gang of Eight. Today they call it
a ``roadmap to citizenship.'' Ronald Reagan called it
``amnesty.''
Apparently Ronald Reagan himself in 1986 called the bill amnesty. They didn't try to deny that.
Continuing:
The '86 reform bill also had supposedly ``rigorous'' border
security and immigration law enforcement provisions. So how
did that pan out? On the day Reagan signed ``comprehensive''
reform into law, only one thing changed: Millions of unlawful
immigrants gained ``legal'' status. The promised crackdowns
on security and enforcement never happened. Only amnesty
prevailed.
That is what we are afraid is going to happen with this bill. It is so similar, isn't it, in the way they have laid it out.
Mr. Meese said:
Since the '86 amnesty, the number of illegal immigrants has
quadrupled. That should teach Congress a very important
lesson: Amnesty ``bends'' the rule of law. And bending the
rule of law to reach a ``comprehensive'' deal winds up
provoking wholesale breaking of the law. Ultimately, it
encourages millions more to risk entering the country
illegally in the hope that one day they, too, might receive
amnesty.
On legislation as important as this, lawmakers must take
the time to read the bill, not rely on others'
characterizations of what it says. We can't have Congress
``pass the bill to find out what's in it.''
That is what the former Attorney General of the United States said. He served Ronald Reagan, and he was
there actively when that happened, when that bill passed the last time. It is very similar to what Senator Grassley, who is here in the Senate, said happened and why he can't vote for this bill today.
I believe there has been far too little discussion about the most important value of this bill, the most important result; that is, what will be the impact on the American people? Whose interests are we serving?
One witness before the Judiciary Committee a number of years ago said: You tell me what you want. If it is to serve the interests of people who are here illegally and those who want to come here, I can tell you how to do that--let them come. It tends to be in their interest. Personal safety is better in America than most places in the world. Opportunities to make money are better. The welfare benefits and the Social Security safety net are stronger here. It is to their benefit to come to America. We know that. If you want to serve the national interests of America, then we can talk about that. I can tell you some principles that you should include in your bill if you want to do that.
Of course, one of the things he talked about was a merit-based system--the way you try to identify the people who have the skills educationally, academically, and the language proficiency that would allow them to have the best chance to succeed. We haven't talked about that enough. We need to be asking what the impact will be on the American people. That has not been discussed in any serious way.
It does not appear that the Gang of 8 ever sat down with the Nation's leading economists who have studied these issues because there are various issues that are crystal clear as we analyze these issues from an economic standpoint--peer-reviewed studies, not one-page op-eds by some part-time economist opining to advance the agenda of this administration or this legislation. Those are not the kinds of things we need to be relying on. Those are just talking points. They are just putting out talking points. What do real economist who have actually studied the Department of Labor statistics--what do they say? That has not been discussed. Indeed, our sponsors of the bill won't even tell us how many people will be admitted under this bill. We have had to get the data from studying the language, talking to experts, and now this week, finally, the CBO score.
Let me be frank. The reality is, the cold reality is, I think, this: that Mr. Trumka, the top union man, he was involved, as his designees were, to bless the bill finally. And he eventually did so, placing his goal of citizenship for millions who have entered the country illegally over the welfare of American workers. I am afraid that is what he did. He decided that political advancement for labor interests was more important than the impact it would have on American workers today.
And the business interests--what do they favor? Do you read the business pages? They are always talking about wages--wages going up, wages going down. For a businessman, wages going down is good news; wages going up, bad news.
What should Senators seek? What is the goal for the American people? Wages go up. Wages go down. Unemployment--do we want it to go up, therefore making more labor available, resulting inevitably in lower wages, or do we want unemployment to go down so more American people are finding jobs? Do we want a tight labor market or do we want a loose labor market? What is the public policy that the Congress of the United States should be advocating? I understand what the business guys would want. They want more great workers out there. They want to have 10 of them apply for every job. They want to pick the very best one, and they want to pay as low a wage as they can pay and still get that good worker. That is free market. I tend to favor free market. I believe in that. But nobody can ever suggest that bringing in large amounts of foreign labor doesn't create more labor in the United States and inevitably reduce wages. The Congressional Budget Office found that. Professor Borjas and others have found that. It is indisputable.
So Mr. Zuckerberg and the group out there in the West in Silicon Valley and the agribusiness groups that want to continue to move this forward--they have their interests in getting workers at the lowest price. I asked the other day if Mr. Zuckerberg would put clearly on his site, Facebook, actual job openings from corporations all over the country and the salaries they would pay. I think these businesses would find a lot more American workers than they say they can find. I don't believe he has to hire so many people from abroad to come over and work for 3 years, go back to their home countries, and provide, basically, a large supply of low-wage labor for these jobs.
Maybe I am wrong. Maybe Mr. Zuckerberg should try. If he clearly put it out there, he might find that in this time of high unemployment, with college graduates wondering where their next job is going to be, he might find he and others in Silicon Valley have some pretty good job applicants out there.
La Raza wants amnesty and citizenship. They are the advocacy group. They are not interested in borders and they are not interested in sovereignty issues. They are interested simply in being able to have everybody come. And they are against enforcement.
Ms. Munoz, who is now a top director for immigration policy in the White House for President Obama, said a number of years ago when she was at La Raza that it was immoral to have workplace enforcement. So the person who is supposed to be in charge of all of this believes that requiring a business only to hire people who are here lawfully--that that it is immoral, and she demanded that the law be changed?
This is the status we are in today. We need to understand the forces that are at work. There are a whole lot on the far left, and they want to have a North American union. That is not talked about much now, but in 2007 it was out there. There is an open borders crowd, a survival- of-the-fittest crowd. These are people who believe in bringing in more people, and believe that those who end up on the top will get cheaper wages. I will do fine, and I am not worried about other folks, whether their wages go up or not--the vast majority of American citizens. I am just not worried about that, I am going to end up on top. We are going to make more money if we have more people here. I don't think that is a healthy approach.
National Review, a great conservative organization, wrote a recent editorial and made this observation. It caught my attention because I have been thinking a lot about it lately. It said we are a nation--a nation--with an economy that we want to see do well. We are not an economy with a nation. A nation creates a binding series of interests, and we call on our citizens to go fight wars and their children to go fight wars and put their lives on the line for the Nation. They serve our country, and the country owes them certain protections and a chance to be successful and a chance to be able to make a decent wage with a health care plan, with a retirement plan, so they can take care of their families, take care of their children, to raise them and send them to college. A nation has those obligations.
So to simply say that millions can come to our country illegally, millions can come legally in levels that jeopardize, perhaps, the working majority of American citizens, that pulls down their salaries and does not allow them to prosper, is difficult for me to understand. How can that be justified? I don't see how we can justify that.
I am not against immigration. We do 1 million people a year in this country. I think that is about right. We need to shift it some so we are getting people who have a better chance to succeed in America, and we need to end the illegal flow, and then we would see, perhaps, a little tightening of the job market and maybe we would see some wages start going up for a change. Wages have been dropping consistently since 1999. This bill, according to the Congressional Budget Office, will drive down wages more over the next decade than if it wasn't passed.
I think we have a responsibility as national leaders not to radicalize some survival of the fittest, utterly open-borders theory of American law and policy. I don't think that is right. We have the conservative establishment, some of them in the business crowd, and my friend, Karl Rove, and we just disagree on this issue. I love Karl. He is so smart and he is so committed to America, but I think he doesn't get
this correctly. He is not thinking clearly. He is rubbing shoulders and elbows with folks who have different agendas and haven't thought through the impact on the American citizen.
The only interest being ignored in this whole process, it seems to me, is the public interest--the interest of the American people, the middle class who are struggling today. These special groups have had their special interests heard. They have been meeting in secret. They got the Gang of 8 to agree, they got the Gang of 8 to accept what they wanted, and they have agreed to put up money. They have agreed to advocate for the legislation and to keep pushing for it. But where are the law enforcement officers? Where were the good folks who represent the working people of America? So the missing interest throughout this process has been the people's interest.
I look forward to seeing--we are now at 1 o'clock--if we are going to get a special amendment that is going to fix things. Actually, I don't think the sponsors of this amendment have claimed to fix everything. It doesn't have anything to do with the fundamental issues I just talked about, about the ability of a nation to prosper, to take care of its citizens in an effective way. This amendment doesn't deal with that in any effective way, but we will see what it includes, whether it makes the situation better.
We are going to look past the talking points. We are going to look to the actual language of this amendment that--at now 1:05 p.m.--we haven't seen, but which we thought we would see last night at 6 o'clock.
I thank the Chair, I reserve the remainder of my time, and I suggest the absence of a quorum.