Mr. Chairman, first I think we should point out that the Committee on Rules made in order the Dingell amendment as a substitute, as a substitute for the electricity title. We should commend our chairman on the Committee on Rules for doing…
Mr. Chairman, first I think we should point out that the Committee on Rules made in order the Dingell amendment as a substitute, as a substitute for the electricity title. We should commend our chairman on the Committee on Rules for doing that.
Having said that, this is not a substitute; this is an expansion of Federal authority over natural gas and electricity generators and transmitters anywhere in this country, regardless of their size, if it is deemed that they have directly or indirectly used any means that would employ any fraudulent, manipulative, or deceptive device or contrivance in contravention of such rules and regulations as the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission may prescribe as necessary or appropriate, any entity.
Now, the electricity title in the bill has bent over backwards to develop a compromise that protects States, protects small co-ops, protects small municipalities against FERC jurisdiction. The Dingell substitute right off the bat says ``any entity.''
It then goes further. Not only the FERC, but Federal courts, can prevent these entities from distributing or transmitting or generating electricity or natural gas.
Then it goes even further and says a foreign court, a foreign court, on page 11, I believe of the Dingell substitute, a foreign court: ``such entity has been convicted of any felony or misdemeanor,'' misdemeanor, ``or of a substantially equivalent crime by a foreign court of competent jurisdiction which the court finds.''
I do not understand that. But if we read that literally, a U.S. energy supplier that tried to sell electricity in Iraq and was convicted in a Saddam Hussein court could be prohibited in the United States of America from transmitting or generating electricity or natural gas.
The Dingell substitute is silent on reliability. The Dingell substitute is silent on siting. The Dingell substitute is silent on the ability to create new grids around this country. It says nothing about RTO, Regional Transmission Organization policy.
It is not a substitute; it is an attempt to be punitive towards any entity in this country that is engaged in the generation and transmission of electricity or natural gas. It may be well intentioned, but it is totally misguided. I hope we will reject it out of hand.
Mr. Chairman, the electricity title before us in the bill has 10 titles.
It has a title on transmission capacity. The Dingell substitute is silent.
It has a title on transmission operation. The Dingell substitute is silent.
It has a title on reliability. The Dingell substitute is silent.
It has a title on PUHCA. The gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Dingell) does refer to PUHCA.
It has a title on PURPA. The Dingell substitute is silent.
It has a title on renewable energy. The Dingell substitute is silent. Renewable energy includes net metering, renewable energy production. The Dingell substitute is silent.
It has a title on market transparency, round trip trading prohibition and enforcement. The gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Dingell) does address market transparency and enforcement.
It has a title on consumer protection. The Dingell substitute is silent.
It has a title on merger review and reform and accountability. The Dingell substitute is silent.
It has a title on economic dispatch. The Dingell substitute is silent.
Mr. Chairman, the Dingell substitute is not a substitute. It may be well intentioned where it does address, but out of 10 titles, it addresses 1\1/2\ titles of the electricity title. We should reject it and adopt the compromise bipartisan electricity title that has been worked out over the last 4 years in subcommittee and full committee, and I would hope that we would reject the Dingell substitute.
Mr. Chairman, in Corsicana, Texas, there is the first commercial oil field of any size outside of the State of Pennsylvania. It is in my district. It began producing oil in the early 1900s. The old Mexia field, the Bryan College Station field, these are all fields that are either in my district or in my old congressional district. They have been producing oil for generations and generations.
In the Bryan College Station field, that field goes through the water table for Bryan College Station. Over 200 producing wells, no environmental problems.
Now, somehow it is okay to produce in those fields in my home State, but it is not okay to produce in ANWR where there are fewer people per square mile than there are various animals. And we have shown in Prudhoe Bay that the animal habitat actually flourishes with oil production.
I cannot understand why we are opposed to producing between a million and a million and a half barrels a day for 30 years. I would hope we would oppose this amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I rise in opposition to the amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume, and I want to say to my good friend, the gentleman from Minnesota (Mr. Oberstar), that it is mild opposition. It is not head- in-the-sand opposition, but I have several questions and concerns. I am not going to ask for a rollcall vote. If it passes on a voice vote, we will work this out in conference. But I do want to point out some things.
The bill before us authorizes $200 million a year for clean coal technology. Coal provides over 50 percent of our electricity. The Oberstar-Norton amendment provides $262 million a year for solar voltaic energy, which produces about four-tenths of 1 percent of our energy. That seems to me to be a little bit of an imbalance.
On page 2 of the Oberstar amendment it says that the goal would be to install solar energy systems in 20,000 Federal buildings by the year 2010. That is an average of about 50 Federal buildings per congressional district. The only way we are really going to be able to do that is if we solar voltaic almost every post office in this country.
If we go down to the bottom of the page on page 2, it says the total amount of photovoltaic electric energy they hope to generate is 150 megawatt hours. Well, if we take the $1.3 billion that it would authorize, and admittedly that is an authorization, but if we took that $1.3 billion, divided it with 150 megawatts, which is the goal, that is a cost of about $10 million per megawatt, $10 million. Now, to put that in perspective, a base load coal plant, a base load natural gas plant, even a base load nuclear plant, we are talking $500 per megawatt. So that we are putting a lot, a lot of money into admittedly a good program.
Solar voltaics is a good program, but as the gentleman indicated, right now the best technology generates photovoltaic energy electricity at about 25 cents a kilowatt. A base station natural gas combined cycle plant generates at about 2 cents per kilowatt. So there are a lot of problems with the specific language in this amendment, but its goal is honorable.
So I am going to work with the gentleman and the gentlewoman from the District of Columbia in conference, but I want the gentleman to know that there are some major, major problems with the specifics in this language. The goal is noble, but the implementation may be somewhat flawed.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Maryland (Mr. Bartlett), who, I believe, wants to speak in support of the amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Chairman, my eyes are getting old and tired. I cannot read the chart of the gentleman from Washington (Mr. Inslee) from here. At the end of the chart, what are the dollars per megawatt or cents per kilowatt price at the low end of the curve at the right on the photovoltaic?
I yield to the gentleman from Washington.
Mr. Chairman, reclaiming my time, I could not read the chart; and I am a supporter of solar photovoltaics. I have some concerns about the goals and dollar amounts, but the concept I am very supportive of.
Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, first I want to thank the distinguished gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Brown) for graciously, and I mean this, providing us copies of the amendment. The majority staff had the odd page copies but not the even page copies. So we appreciate it. That shows how closely we had been tracking this. So I am glad we got the entire amendment, and I appreciate that.
The gentleman from Ohio has many good ideas on the Committee on Energy and Commerce, and we have worked together on many of those ideas. This is not one of them. It is an idea, but just to put this in perspective, we use every day in this country 12 million barrels of gasoline, 12 million barrels. That is what we use to keep our transportation system going.
The gentleman's amendment authorizes 20 million barrels; that is not even a 2-day supply. So even if this were implemented, it would be 1\1/ 2\ days' supply. So that is the first problem with it.
The second problem, the gentleman very graciously says we are going to put a reserve in the Northeast, put a reserve in the Midwest, put a reserve in California and in two other places. That is five places. Somebody is going to get left out. If we put one in the Northwest and in the Southeast, then the Southwest gets left out. If you put one in the Southwest and the Southeast, then the Northwest gets left out. So we have got a little bit of a problem there.
We have got a security problem. Do we really want to put a national gasoline reserve in place that is just an invitation for a terrorist target? We have got that problem.
Then we have got the problem of overflow. If we do not use the gasoline, it becomes stale. Again, we are only storing 1\1/2\ days' supply, but we are going to be continuously changing this gasoline to make sure that it is fresh in case it needs to be used. That would probably cost more in the acquisition costs. So all in all this is not an idea whose time has come.
The gentleman has other ideas that I would encourage him to pursue more vigorously, because even if this were to be implemented, I do not think it would have the intended effect.
So I hope we would oppose the gentleman's amendment and work with him on some of these other amendments. But I thank him again for giving us the copies of the pages we did not have.