Intelligence Committee Reorganization
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded. I have the floor. I would be glad to yield to the Senator from New Mexico for purposes of a discussion. I thank the distinguished Chair, and I thank…
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
I have the floor. I would be glad to yield to the Senator from New Mexico for purposes of a discussion.
I thank the distinguished Chair, and I thank the Senator from New Mexico and respect always his opinion and his passion.
Since the Senator from Iowa is in the Chamber, I would like to perhaps do something that may be pleasant for him, and that is I will yield to him for 5 minutes without losing my right to the floor, if he would like to describe his plans to the body. No?
I said I would be glad to propound a unanimous consent to yield to the Senator for 5 minutes without losing my right to the floor, if the Senator would like to describe what he intends to do.
I said I would be happy to propound a unanimous consent to yield to you without losing my right to the floor, if you would like to describe what you intend to do.
I ask unanimous consent to yield to the Senator from Iowa for 5 minutes and then regain my right to the floor.
Mr. President, the Senate is not in order.
I would like to do the same thing with the Senator from Arkansas in just a minute. I would like to make a point to my friend from Iowa and others. I don't think there is anyone else in this body who has been viewed in as many ways as one who is--maybe the word is obstructionist and disagreeable from time to time on issues with which I do not agree, but let me say I have never filibustered, nor have I ever tried to prevent the passage of legislation as long as I have been able to have my amendment, make my point, and get a vote and move forward.
I say to my friend from Iowa, I think for the good of the body here, on Friday afternoon, I would be glad to vote on any amendment he would propose. I would be glad to debate and vote, because I just do not think it is good for the institution for us to stay here until Tuesday, basically doing nothing. I am not sure we satisfy our constituents by doing so.
Now, if it is agreeable--I ask unanimous consent to yield 2 minutes to the Senator from Arkansas, without losing my right to the floor-- excuse me, Louisiana. My deep apologies. I do know the difference between Louisiana and Arkansas.
I would like to say again to my colleagues, as one who has a reputation for disagreeing from time to time, I think we should let the body move forward and decide on these amendments. I believe we could work out agreements that would allow for amendments to be voted up or down on these very compelling issues.
I share the concern and view of the Senator from Louisiana. I think that issue needs to be discussed and debated. I am not sure just holding up the body is the answer.
Finally, I ask unanimous consent for my colleague from Oklahoma to speak for 3 minutes, without losing my right to the floor, and then the Senator from Massachusetts.
I ask unanimous consent for 5 minutes to the Senator from Oklahoma without losing my right to the floor.
What is the pending business?
What is the pending business before the Senate?
Mr. President, I do not believe the pending amendment was set aside. It required unanimous consent.
Before I yield to the Senator from Kentucky--I mean Massachusetts----
I have the floor, Mr. President.
Has the time of the Senator from Oklahoma expired?
The Senator from Massachusetts was waiting to say a few words. I ask unanimous consent to yield to the Senator from Massachusetts for 5 minutes for the purpose of discussion, followed by the Senator from Nevada for 2 minutes, with my right to regain the floor.
Once, shame on you; twice, shame on me. The Senator from Massachusetts was recognized.
Mr. President, I would like to say again I am not sure that the situation on Monday, or Tuesday, or midnight tonight, or Wednesday, or whatever, is going to be any different than it is now. I have been assured by the leader that we could have any amendment within reason considered, debated, and voted on in a reasonable length of time. I hope my colleagues will consider doing that.
I would be glad to.
I think the Senator knows that conference reports are not amendable. But I would also respond by saying as frustrated as many of us are with conference reports, especially appropriations conference reports coming out with little things in them that we never anticipated, if you want to delay it 1 day, or 2 days, or a week, the result is basically going to be the same. I think we all know that.
I would be glad to yield for a question by the Senator from New Hampshire.
I am learning.
I would be glad to.
I wonder why the Senator missed this one. What happened? Are we asleep at the switch? Everything else is in here.
There is all kinds of fun in that. I don't know why you missed that one. Of course, we have homeland appropriations coming down. That is loaded with pork. The Senator from New Mexico just mentioned they changed the formula on milk to the tune of about $2.4 billion.
I would be glad to.
I am happy to yield for a question by the Senator from Massachusetts.
Mr. President, I appreciate the work of the Senator from New Hampshire and the Senator from
Massachusetts on this issue. I have been reading a lot about it. I think it is disgraceful and outrageous, and I think every Member of this body agrees with it. I hope we can get this done today because it is as egregious as the Senator from New Hampshire described.
I have little doubt about the outcome of this vote, but I will continue to remind my colleagues that the so-called reorganization resolution is a farce. The hypocrisy was bad enough when the resolution was laid down Wednesday evening. Since that time, Members' parochial interests have whittled away the little new oversight authority that would be transferred to the renamed homeland security and governmental affairs committee. The result is nothing more than a name change for the committee.
I associate myself with the remarks of Senator Voinovich, who made some comments last night when he further exposed this sham for what it is. We should adopt this proposal to not rename the committee but keep it the Governmental Affairs Committee since we really are not making any substantive changes.
In today's Washington Post, there is an excellent column by David Ignatius. David Ignatius says in the article:
``It's outrageous. The American people should be angry,''
says former Senator Bob Kerrey, who was a Member of the Sept.
11 commission and for eight years served as a member of the
Senate intelligence committee. He argues that it would have
been better to drop the executive-branch changes if Congress
was not going to reform itself. ``These are secret
agencies,'' he explains. ``Unless you put in place strong
oversight, it isn't going to work.''
In fact, Senator Kerrey and others argue with the consolidation of power we are making it more dangerous because there is no oversight. We may have not only remained in neutral here as far as increasing congressional oversight, but since we are consolidating power, what this proposal does is even more dangerous to America than the status quo.
The 9/11 Commission in its report described congressional oversight of intelligence as ``dysfunctional.'' They did not say it needed improvement; they did not say the system could use a tweak here or there; they said it was dysfunctional and that it needed comprehensive change. So we in the Senate supposedly committed to doing just that. We formed a working group, held discussions--they were interesting discussions, by the way--committed to bringing a bill to the Senate, and now we are here.
What have we done? Have we embraced comprehensive change? No, we haven't. We haven't even embraced a modicum of change. We have said that the status quo is fine with us, and as far as the Senate is concerned, September 11 never happened. It never happened, if you look at what is being done in the name of responding to September 11 and the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission.
Now, we are tinkering with the oversight responsibilities of the Intelligence Committee but certainly nothing substantive. When I go home to Arizona and I say: My friends, we have really reformed intelligence; we have changed the Intelligence Committee from a B committee to an A committee. How do you like that? They are going to be overwhelmed when they hear that we have changed the Intelligence Committee from a B committee to an A committee. I can see the Scottsdale Rotary Club rising to their feet in applause for this incredible change we have made in the way we carry out our intelligence oversight responsibility.
I apologize for engaging in a little bit too much hyperbole.
We took away from the new committee jurisdiction over immigration, then the Secret Service. I have to relate to my colleagues a funny story in case they missed it. I was on the Senate floor with the two sponsors of the amendment that would keep the Secret Service under the Judiciary Committee when they said: You know, the Secret Service really wants to be under the Judiciary Committee. I have encountered hundreds of Secret Service agents, and I have never had a single one come up to me and say: Senator, please put me under the oversight of the Judiciary Committee. Never. I guess I have not spoken to the right agents.
Anyway, all that is remains of the committee on homeland security is the name. I wouldn't be surprised if someone objected to that on jurisdictional grounds.
The new committee, as the Senator from Maine and the Senator from Connecticut will attest, the new committee will have responsibility over 34 percent of the budget and 3.9 percent of the employees. About all that it will be responsible for is FEMA and the Office of the Secretary. That is right, over 96 percent of the employees of the Department of Homeland Security will fall under the jurisdiction of other committees, not the committee on homeland security. So much for real reform.
One of the recurrent themes has been the overload of the Department of Homeland Security because of the number of committees they have to testify before during the course of a year. The number, as I remember, is 88 different committees and subcommittees, et cetera. I hope the Senator from Maine will assert exactly how many committees and subcommittees under this revolutionary new reorganization the Department of Homeland Security will have to testify to.
Now, a word about the Department of Homeland Security, the White House, and the administration. While we were trying in our amendment to move the TSA--a radical idea--to move the Transportation Security Administration under the new Department of Homeland Security, which I think garnered 22 of my colleagues' votes, along with myself, while we did that, we got these calls: Way to go, we are with you, we are with you. This is a great thing to do. You have to move the TSA into the Department of Homeland Security.
I said: Fine, will you issue a statement saying that? No, no, no, we cannot do that. We cannot issue a statement saying we support such an amendment. We might make somebody mad.
We saw the result of that outrageous attempt to move the organization called the Transportation Security Administration under the jurisdiction of the committee on homeland security. I will admit in retrospect I cannot imagine why anyone would assume that the Transportation Security Administration should fall under the committee on homeland security.
Anyway, we aren't changing things here. We have decided the status quo is good enough, and we are sticking with it.
I again quote from David Ignatius' article in the Washington Post this morning:
Senators were patting themselves on the back yesterday for
passing some of the intelligence reforms recommended by the
9/11 Commission.
I was one of those. I was praising the work that was done as far as executive reorganization. It was landmark legislation, the first major reorganization of Government since 1947. It was an incredible job.
But behind the scenes, the legislative process has been an egregious example of congressional politics as usual.
Legislators have embraced the commission's call for a
national intelligence director and a national
counterterrorism center that would, in theory, coordinate
intelligence efforts in the executive branch. But they
have ignored or gutted the commission's proposal for
similar reforms in the way Congress oversees intelligence.
``Of all our recommendations, strengthening congressional
oversight may be among the most difficult and important,''
the commissioners stressed in their final report. They urged
that Congress give its intelligence committees control over
both authorizations and appropriations--so that the
committees would finally have the muscle to provide real
oversight.
Why did the Senate bill scuttle these internal reforms of
what the commission called ``a dysfunctional'' system?
Because they would threaten the turf of powerful legislators.
To be blunt, the Senators put their own perks and
prerogatives ahead of the Nation's security.
That is a pretty tough statement.
``It is outrageous. The American people should be angry,''
says former Senator Bob Kerrey.
By the way, Senator Bob Kerrey left part of his leg on the battlefield at Vietnam and received the Congressional Medal of Honor and was also a member of the 9/11 Commission and for 8 years served as a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee.
He argues that it would have been better to drop the
executive-branch changes if Congress was not going to reform
itself. ``These are secret agencies,'' he explains. ``Unless
you put in place strong oversight, it isn't going to work.''
Because the real power lies with the appropriations, the intelligence agencies know they can safely ignore pressure from the Intelligence Committee. Indeed, major contractors that do business with the intelligence community, such as Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and TRW, are said to spend little time lobbying the intelligence panels because they know the appropriators have the power of the purse. CIA Directors recognize the same reality. They can ignore the intelligence committees as long as they keep stroking the appropriators.
We will have a status quo Intelligence Committee without combined authorization and appropriations power, a committee that handles only a tiny fraction of homeland security issues, and we will be right back where we started. So let's be honest with ourselves and with the American people. We aren't changing things here. We have decided that the status quo is good enough, and we are sticking with it.
I yield the floor.