Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded. Mr. President, I rise today to talk about S. 2290, the pending bill on asbestos legislation before the Senate. Like many of my colleagues before me, I…
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Mr. President, I rise today to talk about S. 2290, the pending bill on asbestos legislation before the Senate. Like many of my colleagues before me, I also want to express great frustration because it does not seem as though we are moving the ball down the field on something that I think a lot of us believe is a very important issue. It is one that demands to be addressed and looks for a legislative solution that we are all trying to find.
Among the many issues that I hear about from my constituents, this is one that very frequently shows up in our discussions and at townhall meetings. A lot of people have suffered devastating injuries after exposure to asbestos. Families have lost loved ones. It is a real deal in people's lives.
I have heard from companies, CEOs, and people who are trying to manage their company's liabilities, and it is a real problem. Insurance companies, many of which are headquartered in my State, have spoken about this issue and my old industry, the financial industry, is concerned about the penalties and its implications in the capital markets that are imposing very severe costs on defending companies and insurers because of the crisis. This is something that we ought to address.
Unfortunately, our current system is not working, and that is a reality for those who need it. It is not working for the defendant companies that want certainty for their business planning. It is not working for insurance companies that face accelerating claims, and it is certainly not working for asbestos victims. We need to make sure those who are truly injured receive the compensation they deserve in a timely fashion and on a basis that is fair to all involved. It needs to be done. We need to address it.
Decades of asbestos use and a coverup of its health effects have resulted in a massive occupational and environmental health crisis. By the way, we are still having exposure developed by a lot of the imports that we are now receiving into our Nation, where some of those who manufacture abroad are not dealing with the issues we have begun to deal with. It is a real killer, a silent killer, physically but also emotionally debilitating to many people across America.
Medical costs associated with asbestos-related diseases are astronomical. They are off the charts. It is not a matter of millions. It is billions and it is an annual affair and it cries out to be addressed.
Hundreds of thousands of workers and their family members have suffered and died from asbestos-related cancer and lung diseases. I think the number is about 10,000 die each year. Approximately 24 million have been exposed. In my home State of New Jersey, which is an old manufacturing State, 2,700 people have been killed by asbestos since 1979, and two of our counties in New Jersey are in the top 10 in the Nation in those asbestos-related deaths. That is Camden and Somerset Counties. So this is a real deal for us. We would like to see this addressed.
We cannot ignore the tragedy of these asbestos deaths and injuries. We can and we should be able to come up with a workable solution. As I said, like many of my colleagues, I would like to see a national trust fund to compensate victims through a no-fault system, ensuring that those who are most injured receive a just award as quickly as possible. It should not be going on for 5 or 10 years. I hope we can agree that we need to focus on paying those who are truly sick and that we must pay those people fairly.
That is why I was pleased last year when the Judiciary Committee held bipartisan hearings on the issue, had bipartisan negotiations, and seemed to be making progress towards arriving at a fair and balanced solution. Unfortunately, last year the Judiciary Committee reported out a bill that did not have broad bipartisan support and was not, in my view at least, balanced in its approach to the issue.
The bill before us has gotten worse. Good amendments that were added in committee have been dropped, and the size of the fund, frankly, is at the low end of anyone's expectations of what is appropriate.
I will take a few moments to discuss what I see are some of the most glaring flaws in the bill that we are debating and reasons, at least right now as it stands, I cannot support it. First, the size of the fund is quite simply out of touch with reality. I hear estimates of anywhere from $100 billion to $300 billion as the cost of settlement that people would expect for the probability of the associated problems with asbestos, and we have picked the low end of that number as the basis on which we are going to deal with it. The bill that was reported out of committee would have had $153 billion, and we have come up with $109 billion, absolutely at the very low end of any of the national estimates, any of the academic estimates of objective outside observers. We are starting at the wrong place in the negotiation.
In addition to the anemic overall funding, the bill has other weaknesses. For example, the Hatch substitute deprives victims of exposure adequate compensation. Awards just remain far too low for many victims with serious diseases that are an outgrowth of this. Funding would not pay for victims' medical bills, let alone compensate their families for any type of hardships.
To give an example, a worker with 15 years of asbestos exposure and lung cancer would be guaranteed only $25,000 in compensation. I do not see how that relates to the risk of life that individuals would be taking in that context.
In another example, victims with asbestos who lose 20 to 40 percent of breathing capacity or are disabled from work will receive only $85,000 for lost wages and medical costs. These numbers do not fit the circumstance. Now, $25,000 barely gets a family of four above the poverty line, and we are talking about $25,000 and $85,000 in lost wages and medical costs that accrue to those things. We are not in the right ballpark.
The pending bill also guts a Biden amendment adopted in the committee with strong bipartisan support to protect victims' rights in the event of fund insolvency. It would allow that once the fund was insolvent, if that $109 billion was not enough, then bring claims back into State court. That was overwhelmingly supported in committee.
Given the low level of funding in this bill, insolvency obviously is a problem. I believe it is unfair to ask the victims to give up their rights to enter into a fund without knowing that fund would have sufficient assets to cover the claims, and where do they go in those circumstances. So it is another major problem.
The pending bill would also treat victims with pending claims unfairly. This one is really hard to swallow. It would wipe out the claims of more than 300,000 people who have claims pending in the current system, even those who have already received jury awards.
We are looking back into history and changing history. I don't understand why, when we have had a judicial process, we have come to a conclusion or we are even in the process of that, we want to stop, start all over and move people into another system. It does not strike me as consistent with a commonsense sense of fairness. If you have an award, it ought to go through.
In addition, the bill significantly weakens key provisions that would protect victims without an effective remedy during the transition to a new system. The bill also lacks transparency with regard to companies and insurers and how they are going to contribute to the fund and in what amounts, which makes it difficult to determine whether companies are paying their fair share.
By the way, there is a lot of hooting and hollering among the insurance companies. A lot of them oppose this because they don't know what their deal will be. There is no certainty here, either for the victims or for a lot of the people who are going to participate here in funding this trust fund. That doesn't make sense and I think it is a real problem that also needs to be addressed. We need to amend it.
It also contains a windfall for certain companies. While we are taking it away from some folks, we are certainly giving it to others. It contains this windfall with regard to Halliburton, which has an estimated $4.8 billion in asbestos liability, but would only have to pay $1.2 billion under the Hatch-Frist bill. Why them? Why are they getting such a break, particularly after a judgment has already gone through? It is sort of the reciprocal or the reverse of what we already were talking
about with a lot of individuals. They are going to get slammed and somebody here is going to get the advantage. They are going to apply it in a way that is very uneven and lacking in balance. That should be addressed.
This is not a fair and balanced approach to this problem. It is not fair to the injured victims or the families of those who died, and it is not fair to companies that want relief from the growing problem, and it doesn't provide for the certainty and planning I think corporate America is looking for.
Let me take a moment to discuss what I think is also a misleading claim by supporters of the bill. This one is actually hard to understand, how this gets any circulation at all. Unfortunately, this administration, as a lot of us have talked about on other occasions, has been weak in the record of creating jobs. I don't have to go through the litany of 2 million lost jobs, 8.4 million unemployed Americans, 2.6 million private sector jobs lost. That was the only period of time, actually, since the Depression an administration has more than likely overseen a period of decline in job growth in the country. But somehow we have decided this is a jobs bill; somehow this is going to create jobs.
There are those who will argue many of the asbestos companies have been forced into bankruptcy and that cost has seriously damaged the American economy, particularly as it relates to jobs. The facts don't meet the description. This is sometimes a fact-free arena. We make assertions and do not necessarily follow through. But if anybody does any serious analysis of what goes on in these companies that have gone through these reorganizations under chapter 11 protection, they will know they have been able to use this device as a means to manage through their obligations and they are able to pay out some of their responsibilities but it has kept their companies going. The truth is, they have not gone out of business, many of them--most of them. Some are doing better than ever.
Let's take Halliburton, since I mentioned it once before. Halliburton has agreed to compensate the innocent victims and companies poisoned with a settlement of more than $4 billion. That is, of course, unless we pass this legislation, then only $1.2 billion. In order to pursue this settlement Halliburton has agreed to put two of its companies into chapter 11 temporarily until a court approves a trust arrangement to compensate asbestos victims.
Meanwhile, Halliburton on its own Web site is telling its customers that it:
. . . will continue in business and will continue to provide
all the excellent services our customers expect from us. In
other words, outside the asbestos and silica settlement, it
will be business as usual.
In what kind of shape are these companies that have chosen chapter 11 reorganization? The answer can be found in a new analysis conducted by Professor George Benston of Emory of the seven largest asbestos companies that sought chapter 11 bankruptcy reorganization protection in 2000 and 2001. This is a real study by someone trying to bring an objective perspective. Professor Benston studied the asbestos companies and compared them to companies in their business that did not declare bankruptcy reorganization in order to determine how successful their operations would be under the supervision of the bankruptcy court. He concluded:
On the whole, they essentially have increased or stabilized
their sales, assets, employment, and profitability, and have
projected increases. It is fair to say they are viable and
likely to be increasingly successful companies that should
generate funds to exit bankruptcy significantly stronger than
when they went in.
We are doing this because this is a jobs bill, when it is fair to say they have increased or stabilized their sales, assets, employment, and profitability, and have projected increases. Somehow or another, objective evidence doesn't seem to match with the claims. This is hardly a jobs bill. The argument falls apart on the surface of it, as far as I can tell.
So while I am sympathetic to the corporations that generally want to fulfill their obligations with respect to asbestos victims and certainly I have an appreciation for their desire for serious financial planning, if this asbestos bill is the best we can do, the administration can do, the leadership--Senator Frist and Senator Hatch--can do to create jobs in our country and address this problem, then I think we have a lot higher objectives for which we need to set our standards.
That is why I think we ought to have a full debate. We ought to have a lot of votes on amendments that will actually address a number of these problems we talked about. I hope we can get back to those bipartisan negotiations, away from this floor, where we can talk about the size of the trust fund, we can talk about some of this ex post facto analysis about who is benefiting and who is not; where we can make sure the general awards to victims are actually higher and there is some serious backstop if the fund doesn't actually have the resources to be able to deal with these issues.
We sure the heck ought to stop talking about this in a context that makes no sense in economic reality, that this is a jobs bill. I go back to this. This is one of those things I think Americans across the board want to see Congress act on. This is not something that has a Republican or Democratic label. We want to find a resolution. I want to find a resolution. We have to do that in a fair and balanced manner. I thought the Judiciary Committee made a lot of progress on this on the bill they reported out. That is not what we are working on.
I don't understand why we don't turn the clock back just a little bit and get on with some of the hard work that was done when we came up with some of these bipartisan approaches to deal with this very thorny issue. On the basis of offering a helping hand to many victims and their families, for companies that need to have stability in their balance sheet and the ability to make plans for the future, to reduce the caseload we have in our court system, there are a lot of reasons we ought to be moving in this area. We are not pulling together, sitting down and negotiating a transaction formulation of legislation that makes sense for everybody.
Everyone is going to have to give a little bit, but this is something that could be done if we wanted to go to work to make it happen. The will is there. Certainly the demand is there. I think there is a lot of ground for positive, constructive dialog.
I yield the floor and I suggest the absence of a quorum.