I thank the Chair. Mr. President, may I ask the Chair, there is no time limitation on speeches at this point, is there? Mr. President, the very able and distinguished Senator from Kansas wants to speak for 5 minutes or more. I ask…
I thank the Chair.
Mr. President, may I ask the Chair, there is no time limitation on speeches at this point, is there?
Mr. President, the very able and distinguished Senator from Kansas wants to speak for 5 minutes or more. I ask unanimous consent that I may yield to the distinguished Senator for 5 minutes or 6 or 7 minutes or whatever he wants at this time, without losing my right to the floor.
Mr. President, how much time does the Senator want?
The Senator doesn't have to be in a great hurry. I know the Senator is reasonable and he will take such time as he may desire and it is not going to be too much. I yield to the Senator for that purpose without losing my right to the floor.
Mr. President, I very much admire the able Senator from New Hampshire. I like him. As Shakespeare said, ``He's a man after my own kidney.'' That about says it all, I guess. That is the way I feel about the Senator from New Hampshire. He and I served together in the last Congress as chairman and ranking member, respectively, of the Senate Appropriations Homeland Security Subcommittee. I also have the pleasure of serving with him on the Senate Budget Committee, where he has been chairman--and I mean chairman--and is now the ranking member.
The Senator from New Hampshire is one of the finest, one of the brightest, one of the most illustrious Senators serving today. I want Senators to know--and, of course, the Congressional Record will reflect--that as much as I oppose the line-item veto--and that is saying a mouthful--I very
much respect the Senator from New Hampshire who has attached his name to it.
In his remarks last week on his line-item veto amendment, the very able Senator from New Hampshire, Mr. Gregg, noted that this is not a new issue before the Senate. He correctly noted that the Senate passed a line-item veto measure in 1996, which was later nullified by the U.S. Supreme Court--the highest court of the land--in 1998.
It is appropriate, very appropriate, that Senators know something about the history of this issue, particularly those Senators who were not here when the Senate last considered this piece of garbage called the line-item veto. I can say plenty about this line-item veto. I call it garbage. I can call it worst things than that, but I won't right now.
Senators will recall, I believe, that the House of Representatives in the early 1990s passed a series of legislative line-item vetoes, or expedited rescissions, like the one now before this body. Because of constitutional concerns and a lack of support, none of those bills ever passed the Senate.
Senators will recall that in the summer of 1993, I delivered 14 speeches--I mean, they were cracker jacks, and, man, that is not the end of the line, either--later published as ``The Senate of the Roman Republic.'' They were addresses on the history of Roman constitutionalism on this very topic. Senators will recall that when the 104th Congress passed the Line-Item Veto Act of 1996, I was one of the most outspoken opponents.
I argued against giving any President--any President, any President, even a Democratic President; that makes no difference, even a Democratic President--a line-item veto or a or so-called enhanced rescission authority.
Senators will recall that after President Clinton signed into law the Line-Item Veto Act of 1996 I, Robert C. Byrd, a Senator from the State of West Virginia, joined with Senator Carl Levin and the late, God bless his name, Daniel Patrick Moynihan--oh, were he here today--in bringing suit--get that--in bringing suit in Federal court against the Director of the Office of Management and Budget, then Franklin Raines, arguing that the act unconstitutionally authorized the President to cancel certain spending and revenue measures without observing the procedures outlined in the presentment clause of article I, section 7.
That suit, Raines v. Byrd, was dismissed by the U.S. Supreme Court for lack of standing, but the arguments, I say, but the arguments were later validated in 1998, when the Court nullified the Line-Item Veto Act in Clinton v. City of New York.
Now, I am no stranger to this issue. I am no stranger to this issue. I have served with the eight Democratic and Republican Presidents since Harry Truman who have asked for line-item veto authority. And I have watched, as the Senate has said ``no,'' n-o, no--the hardest word in the English language to say--I watched as the Senate has said ``no'' to all but one. And where the Senate erred in yielding to a President's request for such power, I was there when the Supreme Court nullified the Senate's actions. I was there.
The first question ever asked was asked of Adam. The first question ever asked--I hope the Chair is listening closely, my friend in the chair--in all of the centuries of the human race, the first question ever asked was: Adam, where art thou? I won't go into the time and place where that was asked. Everybody ought to know it. Adam, where art thou?
Well, where was Robert C. Byrd when the Supreme Court nullified the Senate's actions? I was there when the Supreme Court nullified the Senate's actions.
I do not speak lightly about this subject--hear me now, if you want to take me on, on this question--and to refer Shakespeare:
And damned be him that first cries, ``Hold, enough!''
I do not say it is a proposal that stands in stark defiance of the Constitution without many decades of congressional experience and a deep, deep reverence for the Constitution of the United States, and when I speak about line-item veto today, and in the coming days, if necessary, I speak to all Senators of both parties about the oaths we swear and particularly the one we take upon entry into this office.
We take an oath before God and man to support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America.
I speak today on a subject that broaches the most serious of constitutional questions. Now pending before the Senate is a legislative line-item veto proposal offered as an amendment by Senator Gregg and others to the minimum wage bill. The amendment would alter by statute the constitutional role of the President of the United States in the legislative process. The President does have a role in the legislative process. The amendment would alter by statute the constitutional role of the President in the legislative process. It would allow the President to sign a spending bill into law and then to strip from that bill any spending items he dislikes. Let me say that again.
I have already said that the amendment would alter by statute the constitutional role of the President in the legislative process. It would allow the President, one man, to sign a spending bill into law and then--get this--strip from that bill any spending items he dislikes.
Through a process known as expedited rescission, the President could force an additional vote by the Congress on spending items that do not mimic his budget request and impound the funding that he, the President of the United States, does not like until the Congress votes again.
Such a proposal is a lethal, aggrandizement of the Chief Executive's role in the legislative process. Lethal, deadly. Such a proposal is a lethal aggrandizement of the Chief Executive's role in the legislative process. It is a gross, colossal distortion of the congressional power of the purse. It is a dangerous, dangerous proposition, a wolf in sheep's clothing of fiscal responsibility. Wolf, wolf, wolf, that's what it is.
The Constitution, I say to Senators--hear me out there, my friends in West Virginia and throughout the land--the Constitution is explicit and precise about the role of the President in the legislative process. The President has a role in the legislative process. Read the Constitution, article I, section 7. Here is what it says:
Every Bill which shall have passed the House of
Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a
Law, be presented to the President of the United States; if
he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it,
with his Objections. . . .
The President must act within 10 days, Sundays excepted. And once he, the President, has decided to forgo a veto, it is his constitutional responsibility under article II to ``take care that the laws be faithfully executed.''
President George Washington interpreted his responsibility this way, and I quote the immortal first President of this land, the Father of our Country, the Commander in Chief at Valley Forge, George Washington. President George Washington interpreted his responsibility this way: ``I''--meaning George Washington, the President of the United States-- ``must approve all the parts of a bill or reject it in toto''--totally. No other way. Take it or leave it.
I must approve all the parts of a bill, or reject it in
toto.
The Father of our Country was right. It isn't Robert Byrd talking. That was George Washington. Now come to Robert Byrd. I continue:
A legislative line-item veto effectively creates a third option for the President of the United States--a third option, talking about the line-item veto. It adds a new dimension to executive power, one that is not found in the Constitution. Instead of vetoing and returning a whole bill to the Congress before it becomes law, under the Gregg amendment, under the amendment by my distinguished friend Senator Gregg, the President can resubmit only those provisions he opposes, and he can do so after a bill becomes law. Did you get that? Instead of vetoing and returning a whole bill to the Congress before it becomes law, under the Gregg amendment--and I speak with great respect--the President can submit only those provisions he opposes and do so after a bill becomes law.
What are we doing here? The President can sign a bill into law and then strip it of the provisions that he
doesn't like. Let me say that again. Are you hearing me? What am I doing? What am I saying here? I can't believe it. The President can sign a bill into law and then, after he has signed the bill into law, he can strip it of the provisions he does not like.
Have you ever heard of anything so radical? Instead of the President weighing in before a bill becomes law, he can ignore the pros and cons of debate and wait until well after it has become law. Am I in my senses when I read this? Can you believe it? He can literally ignore both public opinion and congressional debate and deliberation. He can pull out anything he does not like from legislation passed by both Houses of Congress--get that, now. This is one man downtown. He may be a Republican, he may be a Democrat, he may be a Socialist or whatever-- whatever the people elect down there at the White House in the future. He can pull out anything he doesn't like from legislation that has been passed by both Houses of Congress and insist on a second run through the legislative process.
The Gregg amendment allows the President to decide what is in a bill considered by the Senate or not in a bill after it has become law. It would allow the President to decide when the Senate considers a spending or revenue item and under what political conditions the Senate considers these measures. Such a proposal is a dangerous departure from the separation of powers doctrine, which aims to prevent any one branch of the Government from seizing both the power to make and to execute a law. The separation of powers dividing inherently legislative and executive functions between two separate and equal branches is a fundamental defense against overzealous and unwise acts by either the President of the United States or the Congress of the United States.
In Federalist No. 51 James Madison writes--this is not Robert C. Byrd who wrote it. In Federalist No. 51, James Madison writes:
But the great security against a gradual concentration of
the several powers in the same department consists in giving
to those who administer each department the necessary
constitutional means and personal motives to resist
encroachments of the others . . . Ambition must be made to
counteract ambition. . . .
So by empowering the President to craft legislation, the Congress would be ceding the constitutional means of the people to resist executive encroachments.
Let me say that again. By empowering the President of the United States to craft legislation, the Congress would be ceding the constitutional means of the people to resist executive encroachments. For up to 1 year after every bill is passed and signed into law--get this--the President could use this power to manipulate Senators--how about that--or advance his political agenda. Any President. I am not just referring to Mr. Bush. I am starting with him, but I am talking about any President, Republican or Democrat. The President could use this power that Mr. Gregg's amendment would give to the President-- remember, this isn't the last President, Mr. Bush. There will be others. The President could use this power to manipulate Senators or advance his political agenda. Under the Gregg amendment, a President could punish or reward recalcitrant Members of Congress by targeting or sparing their interests under the expedited rescission process.
Every debate between the Congress and the White House could be swayed, influenced, by this new power of the President of the United States to influence Senators: You, Mr. Conrad; you, Mr. Byrd; you, Mr. and Mrs. or Miss Senator--he can use this power over Senators to influence them. What kind of power are we talking about? It would subject every Member and the interests of their constituents and States to the political capricious and unchecked whims of a Chief Executive.
You better think about this. You better think about it. The Gregg amendment provides the President, any President--Democratic, Republican or otherwise--with a mechanism to rewrite legislation after it has passed the Congress. Where are we going? Instead of 10 days to act on a bill, the Gregg amendment would provide the President with up to 365 days. Hear me, friends, Romans, countrymen. Friends, Americans, countrymen, lend me your ears. Instead of 10 days to act on a bill, the Gregg amendment would provide the President with up to 365 days to act on a bill. This is a provision that is unconstitutional on its face. I don't believe that Senator over there sitting in the chair, in the chair to my left, would go along with that. That is Senator Conrad, for the record.
Within 10 days of the Congress submitting a bill to the President, we know if it has become the law of the land. Under the Gregg measure, nobody--except the President--for up to 1 year after an act is signed into law, will know if all of the provisions of a bill will be carried into effect. One can imagine the confusion of not knowing, for up to 1 year, whether all of the provisions of a single bill will become law. Imagine what happens if the Congress passes a major legislative package such as a Social Security and Medicare reform package, which affects the retirement and health care benefits of many millions of people and the payroll taxes of many millions more. Imagine the President dismantling that package, listen now. Imagine the President dismantling that package months after it has been passed by the Congress. Are you listening? Hear me. How wise and practical will this line-item veto seem then? This line-item veto is an anathema to the Framers' careful balancing of powers within the legislative process because it allows the President, any President, to aggressively--listen to me, my friends on the other side of the aisle; I am not just talking about Mr. Bush or Mr. Republican President--allows a President to aggressively impose his will on the legislative branch in regard to budgetary matters. I will say that once again. This line-item veto is an anathema to the Framers' careful balancing of powers within the legislative process because it allows a President, any President, to aggressively--and I mean aggressively--impose his, the President's, will, be he Republican or Democratic, on the legislative branch in regard to budgetary matters.
This line-item veto amendment goes far--and I mean far--beyond the President simply making recommendations to the Congress. It makes the President, any President, a lawmaker. It is a complete reversal of the legislative process. We do not need to rewrite the Constitution in order to legislate. We do not need to defer extraordinary and unconstitutional powers to the President, any President, in order to ensure that Congress uses its power of the purse in an ethical and rational and wise manner.
We should remember that the President has not exercised his existing constitutional authorities. The President--this President--has only vetoed one authorization bill, and he has never, never vetoed a spending or revenue bill. The President has not submitted a single rescission proposal as currently allowed under the Budget Act. Rather than dealing with the President's failed budget choices, the suggestion here today is that enlarging the President's power in the budget process will somehow magically--somehow magically--reduce these foreboding and menacing deficits. It will not. The suggestion here today is that handing the power to make laws to the President will somehow improve the quality of congressional budget decisions. This suggestion is without foundation. This nefarious line-item veto will only further politicize and degrade a process which is already too much of a political football.
Senators--Senator Byrd being one--take an oath--yes, an oath before God. The ancient Romans felt that an oath was sacred. They would give their lives--I won't go into Roman history at this point--they would give their lives to preserve an oath. Senators take an oath to preserve and protect the Constitution. A lack of understanding about the reasons for entrusting the purse strings to the hands of the Congress, and the unwise tax and spending decisions of this administration, must never, never be allowed to propel such an unconstitutional and dangerous as the legislative line-item veto.
I tell you, ladies and gentlemen, I will stand here until my bones crumble under me, until I have no further breath, if necessary, to let such a proposal become law. Why would we ever want to hand more power to a President who has already grabbed far too much power--any President? Why would we ever want to bargain away our most important tool for protecting the liberties of the people or for derailing a disastrous war? Why would we
ever want to fall for this legislative pig-in-a-poke that could cripple this body, the Congress of the United States?
So I urge Senators to listen. This isn't the last word by any means that I could have, let alone many other Senators here. Resist this assault on the Constitution and the Congress. I urge Senators--yes, I urge Senators--Senators--there is no greater name under the Constitution. Who was that great Roman Emperor who said, when he was about to become the Emperor ``I still revere the name of Senator.'' That is 476, I believe, A.D. It was Majorian, I believe, who said, ``I still revere the name of Senator.'' Senator. Did you hear that?
I urge Senators to resist this assault. I am talking about a line- item veto now. You ain't heard nothing yet. I urge Senators to resist this assault on the Congress and on the Constitution of the United States and on the people, the people of the United States.
Mr. President, I yield the floor.
Will the Senator yield?
Let me thank him for this magnificent speech. Let me thank Senator Kennedy and Senator Enzi for their remarkable patience and their consideration always. I thank the distinguished Senator for this magnificent speech.
I yield the floor.
Will the Senator yield?
Mr. President, I thank the very able and highly respected Senator from Massachusetts, my favorite Senator of this age, for what he has said.
I thank the distinguished Senator from North Dakota for his remarkable statement. It will be in the Record for 1,000 years. There is nothing I could say to embellish it, to add to it, to subtract from it, or to comment on except to say it is one of the great speeches I have heard in this Senate. And I have heard a lot. I have been here a long time. Next year will be my 50th year. The Senator from North Dakota is a leader among men, a leader among Senators. I commend him. I thank him.
I thank all Senators, and I thank the Chair.
I yield the floor.