Mr. Speaker, as we debate the issue of border security here, as we talk about an issue that is so vitally important to the American people, I am disappointed that we can't seem to work together on this particular issue. I have been in…
Mr. Speaker, as we debate the issue of border security here, as we talk about an issue that is so vitally important to the American people, I am disappointed that we can't seem to work together on this particular issue. I have been in Congress for 10 years. I have been advocating that we hire 1,000 to 1,500 Border Patrol agents a year along with the resources necessary to support them. Yet we get this proposal for a fence.
This is the best we can do? This is the best you can do to assure the American people that we are going to focus on border security? It falls woefully short, and I say that with all due respect because I spent 26\1/2\ years on America's border. When I retired, I had been the chief for a little over 12 years in charge of McAllen sector and El Paso sector. I am the one who instituted Operation Hold the Line that shifted border enforcement away from apprehension and towards deterrence. I have, I think, the kind of experience that we ought to be able to count on on both sides of the aisle.
I have tried to work with many Members on the other side of the aisle and have always, as I put forth my ideas on the issue of border security for the last 10 years, have always been told, well, it is not the right time. It's too expensive, it is not the right strategy to pursue at this time.
I really felt after 9/11 we would have a new focus on border security. Today, 5 years later, the American people are focused like a laser on the fact that our borders are vulnerable.
I would say to my distinguished colleague, Chairman Royce, I was at the hearing in Laredo with you, as I have been at numerous hearings the last 2 months, hearings where the message has come across loud and clear from members of Customs and Border Protection. What they need: They need manpower, they need technology and they need infrastructure.
In Naco, Arizona, we have 1,200 to 1,300 Border Patrol agents housed out of a station that was designed for 25 people.
That is infrastructure that we need. How can we expect them to be professionals if we don't treat them like professionals, if we don't invest in the infrastructure that is so desperately needed? We were there, looking at their sensor systems, and it was a bipartisan group from the interparliamentary group. We looked at not just the physical layout of the station, but the condition of their vehicles. They need vehicles.
The vehicles, the technology that they were using, the cameras that they were monitoring, were over 15 years old. The sensors were 20 years old. That is why, consistently, the message has been at all these hearings the last couple of months that they need manpower, they need technology, and they need infrastructure support, new technology that is available that will serve as the force multiplier, Chairman, that you were referring to.
We can do much better than this. A fence is ludicrous in the face of the needs of the Customs and Border Patrol people.
When we talk about the issue of fencing, and we compare that with all the other needs, and, believe me, at all the hearings I was at the message was consistent. In fact, when the question was asked of the chiefs, what about fencing, well, fencing has limited use. As a former chief for over 12 years, I can tell you fencing would be down after those three priorities, because across that 2,000-mile border with Mexico that everybody is so concerned with, probably less than 10 percent, much less than 10 percent, in one of the hearings that we were talking about, we were concerned about a range in Yuma, Arizona. It seemed like it was an area that needed hundreds of miles of fencing. You know what? It came out to 37 miles of fencing that was needed.
I say, put up a fence for those 37 miles. I supported the fencing with my friend and colleague, Duncan Hunter, in San Diego, because it makes sense. But it does not make sense to put a 2,000-mile fence along our southern border. It does not make sense, and it is not in the best interests of the taxpayers to foolishly commit to spending at least $7 billion just on the construction of this fencing. We can do much better.
I am extremely disappointed that after all we hear about post-9/11, after all we hear about the concern that terrorists are apt to hit us here in the homeland again, that this is the best we can do. This is the equivalent of a doctor in the emergency room having a patient come in from a severe automobile accident with broken limbs and wounds over most parts of his body, and the physician saying, nurse, give me a Band-Aid. This is a Band-Aid approach that we can do much better with.
Let us do a comprehensive piece of legislation that addresses the three major priorities that the Border Patrol wants, manpower, technology, infrastructure. Let's not forget that there is a whole pipeline. If you hire more Border Patrol agents, you need to hire
marshals, you need to hire detention officers. You need to hire judges. You need to hire prosecutors. All of that is essential. Let's do a comprehensive piece of legislation that the American people will finally say, this Congress gets the fact that we are in danger from terrorism. We can do better. This is a ludicrous proposal, as far as I am concerned.
Will the gentleman yield on that point?
The reference to 2,000 miles of fencing I heard repeatedly by Members of your party at the hearing.
Will the gentleman yield?
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding.
Mr. Speaker, there is a fundamental difference in how we approach this issue. Our plan says, we want to fund infrastructure, let the chief make the decisions.
When the gentleman from Texas talks about there isn't any proposal in our bill for fencing, here is what infrastructure entails. It entails buildings, antivehicle barriers, observation towers, access roads and fencing. The difference is, we don't legislate from here and tell a chief patrol agent, this is how much fence you are going to get. We tell them, this is what is available, you tell us what you need.
When the gentleman talks about what is needed, what the testimony was, heard along the border, I don't know how many hearings he attended, but I can tell you this, at the hearings that I attended, the chief patrol agents wanted three things, and I will reiterate them: manpower, technology and infrastructure. All of those things are included under ``infrastructure.''
I think the professionals that we charge in protecting the border deserve the courtesy of telling us what it is that they need, what kind of combination.
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding.
Again, Mr. Speaker, let me reframe the difference between what we want to do on this side of the aisle and what is being proposed on that side of the aisle.
First and foremost, we want to work together to address the issue of border security. We want to give the professionals the support that they have been asking for throughout these last 2 months of hearings. We want to make sure that we provide them the opportunity to tell us what kind of infrastructure, including fencing, they need. The buildings, the anti-vehicle barriers, the observation towers, the access roads, all of the kinds of things that they have told us are a priority in order for them to be able to control the border.
The fundamental difference is we trust them to make those decisions. We do not tell them we need a fence starting from 5 miles east of the port of
entry in Del Rio to 6 miles east of the port of entry of Eagle Pass. Let them make those kinds of decisions. They are the professionals. They are charged with that responsibility. Our job is to provide them the support and the resources. That is the fundamental difference.
As I have said, we need to work together on this thing. Regrettably, this rule freezes us out and we are unable to participate in this.