Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague and good friend from Florida (Mr. Putnam) for the time, and I yield myself such time as I may consume. Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong opposition to this rule and the underlying legislation. It is the…
Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague and good friend from Florida (Mr. Putnam) for the time, and I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong opposition to this rule and the underlying legislation. It is the misguided belief of some that the line item veto will serve as an effective tool to overcome the profligate spending by Congress. The irony, of course, is that if Congress had any kind of backbone, we would do it ourselves. For instance, if these same Members, who in my opinion feign seriousness about reining in spending, were actually serious, they would support our colleague, Mr. Flake, more often in his admirable yet heretofore unsuccessful attempts in cutting spending using the constitutionally mandated method, writing them into or removing them from bills before being sent to the President.
Proponents argue that giving the President enhanced authority and power would check Congress' mismicromanagement of Federal spending. Frankly, I think this reasoning is preposterous. I highly doubt that increased rescission authority would be used to decrease our Nation's deficit. To the contrary, I believe such authority would only further the aims of the partisan politics we have seen through this Congress and this administration. And let me be fair. If there is
ever a Democratic President, I think he or she would likely use this particular legislation in a partisan fashion.
For more than 5 years, the President has continually signed off on budgets that have only deepened our Nation's deficit. If the President seeks to cut excessive spending and lower the deficit, he, meaning this President, should adopt the traditional means he already possesses before seeking expanded authority.
Americans might have less trouble keeping their heads above water if they were not being overwhelmed with the red ink flowing in Washington, D.C. The truth of the matter is that this President has no need to use his power to veto when he can convince the majority in Congress to strike sections of legislation that go against the President's political agenda. In fact, in the more than 5 years that President Bush has been in office, he has not used the veto authority he currently possesses to veto a single piece of legislation that would lower our deficit or reduce the debt.
Who knew that in the year 2000 the Supreme Court would choose America's first prime minister and relegate Congress' role to that of an advisory committee.
Someone said recently that this Republican Congress has been simply a rubber stamp for the President. I politely disagree. My view is that at least a rubber stamp leaves an impression.
We have heard, and we will continue to hear, that almost all our Governors have something akin to line item veto authority. This, however, should not be used as a reason why we ought to do the same at the Federal level. In Florida, for example, the Governor's expanded veto authority has clearly shifted powers long held by the State legislators to the executive branch. We cannot let this happen here. We, the legislators, not the executive branch, should determine the legislative agenda.
Ms. Slaughter, in our meeting the other day, said where is it that this divine notion of what ought to be in the power of the purse is over there at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, no matter who occupies that office?
Now, once you take an even closer look at this bill, it gets even worse. The bill's provisions mandate that no amendment can be made to any rescission bills while in committee. This heavily restrictive ``all-or-nothing'' approach to the legislative process is quite damaging. Moreover, it totally undermines proponents' arguments that the President's ``all-or-nothing'' power to veto is what must be curbed.
The bill also stipulates limited debate in both the House and the Senate. It certainly does not answer the question of what happens if the Senate votes one way and the House votes another on one of the measures that the President has determined should be rescinded. These requirements do nothing but upset the delicate balance of power that our Founding Fathers crafted.
A footnote right there: Didn't the Supreme Court already tell us once before that veto in this particular fashion was unconstitutional, the line item veto?
If this bill passes, consensus, the ultimate cornerstone of the legislative process, as well as the principles of democracy itself, will most definitely be lost. Furthermore and most importantly, I do not think it wise or in the best interest of the American people for the legislative branch, this House that the Founding Fathers gave the power of the purse, to delegate more of its powers to any administration. Republican, Democrat, Independent, Green, wherever the President comes from, they should not have the power constitutionally mandated for the legislative branch to have. Administrations have continually abused our trust and usurped our constitutional authority.
For more than 5 years, the delicate system of checks and balances that our country depends on has been compromised all too often. Whether using so-called signing statements, and I wish I had to time to explain to the American public that dynamic, and I might add used by President Clinton as well, but not as much as by President Bush, which include caveats to bills, or tapping our phones, or wildly interpreting authority given by the PATRIOT Act, this President has shown little to no regard for Congress' coequal authority for control over the management of the country.
We cannot let this President, or any President for that matter, upset the balance needed to run this country. Granting line item veto authority to the executive branch would not only be offensive to democracy, it would be a serious mistake. It would undermine the United States Constitution, and it would be the kind of mistake we cannot afford to pay.
We are not children in this body, Mr. Speaker. We do not need to enshrine in law a paternalistic relationship between Congress and the President.
I urge rejection of this rule, and I urge rejection and entreat my colleagues to defeat the underlying bill.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, excuse me. Will my colleague remain for me to use some of my time to ask him a question before I yield to my good friend Mr. Miller?
And I might add my good friend and fellow Floridian, and he is my good friend.
Let me ask you, Mr. Crenshaw, do you feel that this House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate, or the Congress, is in a deficit spending environment at this time? Can you answer ``yes'' or ``no''?
Right. And every year since the President has been in office, we have been in this deficit spending environment; would you agree?
Then tell me what is down and what is up? Did we not raise the debt ceiling twice?
Reclaiming my time, you say that this will be a little bit more. Our good friend Paul Ryan, who is an author of this legislation, yesterday in my dialogue with him, he agreed that this legislation gives the President the power to do five messages in regular legislation and 10 in an omnibus. Do you think by any stretch of the imagination that the American public believes that this is going to reduce the national debt?
Can you answer ``yes'' or ``no''?
Reclaiming my time, we do not live in Alaska, and no affront to you. I am delighted that we have $1.8 billion coming to Florida for coastal protection, but the President could have line itemed that, too.
Mr. Crenshaw, you served in the State legislature. And under Democrats and Republicans that had the line item veto, the simple fact of the matter is they have used it in a partisan fashion more often than not. That is among the fears.
Thank you for the dialogue.
Mr. Speaker, at this time I am pleased to yield 4 minutes to my good friend from California (Mr. George Miller).
Mr. Speaker, before yielding to my good friend from Wisconsin, perhaps it would be helpful if we have a little bit of historical foundation. Sometimes we forget these great people that met and debated for a long time before they determined the form of government that we should have.
But one of the things that they established most immediately in Article I, after the Preamble, ``We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America,'' Article I, Section 1, colleagues: ``All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and a House of Representatives.'' Not a President.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2\1/2\ minutes to my friend, the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Kind).
(Mr. KIND asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
I don't believe he said that. I want to continue along those lines. Evidently the previous speaker doesn't know what Governor Jeb Bush just did, but that is another story.
I want to keep the Constitution before us. What it says in that same article, which, incidentally, was the first article, the article creating the President was the second article, in the first article, ``No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time,'' by the Congress.
I am pleased to yield 4 minutes to my good friend from Tennessee (Mr. Cooper).
(Mr. COOPER asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I am very pleased to yield 2 minutes to my good friend from Massachusetts (Mr. Neal), a distinguished member of long standing on the Ways and Means Committee.
(Mr. NEAL of Massachusetts asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, because of the limited number of speakers that I have left, I will reserve my time and allow my colleague from Florida who has more time and maybe more speakers to proceed.
Mr. Speaker, I am very pleased to yield to my good friend, the gentlewoman from California (Mrs. Capps), for 1\1/ 2\ minutes.
Mr. Speaker, my good friend from Pennsylvania began his remarks by quoting Ben Franklin who also was from Pennsylvania. Let me also say to you what Mr. Franklin said. At the conclusion of the Constitutional Convention in your home State and his, Benjamin Franklin was asked, What have you wrought? He answered, A Republic, if you can keep it. He did not say a monarchy.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 30 seconds.
The gentleman my good friend Dr. Gingrey from Georgia said we are over here railing while they are getting ready to pass later today the line item veto and repeal the ``death tax.''
Let me tell you what we ought to be railing about. Yesterday, we pulled the Voting Rights Act, an opportunity for its reauthorization. This Nation has an immigration crisis, and you are getting ready to take a dog-and-pony show on the road.
Fifty-five million Americans do not have health insurance, veterans' identities have been stolen because of incompetence, and gas prices are at an outrageous high, and here we are discussing something that ain't going to balance the budget.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I continue to reserve the balance of my time. I have no further speakers other than myself, and I am prepared to close.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself the remaining amount of our time.
During the course of this debate and discussion, I have cited to the United States Constitution frequently. I remind my colleagues that article I of the United States Constitution created the Congress. Article II created the President of the United States. Article III created the courts. The Founders must have had something in their mind as to what was first, and as it pertains to the power of the purse, they made it exactingly clear.
In this same Constitution, there are four sections dealing with powers of the President, 10 sections dealing with the powers of Congress.
Mr. Speaker, I will be asking Members to vote ``no'' on the previous question so I can amend the rule to provide that immediately after the House adopts this rule, it will provide for separate consideration of legislation introduced by Representative Spratt that provides a comprehensive approach to controlling our spiraling deficits without stripping the House of Representatives of its power of the purse.
Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to insert the text of the amendment and extraneous materials immediately prior to the vote on the previous question.
Mr. Speaker, before we turn over our constitutionally granted power to the executive branch, let us vote on a measure that will actually reduce the deficit, rein in irresponsible spending and help to bring accountability back to the House's legislative process.
Mr. Spratt's bill does many things to encourage deficit reduction. It reinstates pay-as-you-go rules for both mandatory spending and revenues. It amends the Congressional Budget Act to stop the reconciliation process from being used to make the deficit worse or the surplus smaller. It enforces the 3-day layover requirement in the House rules to give Members adequate time to review legislation. It adds earmark provisions. The bill protects important mandatory spending like Social Security, Medicare and veterans benefits from any expedited rescission process. It prohibits the President or executive branch officials from using the rescission authority as a bargaining tool or even a source of blackmail just to secure votes.
In all fairness, when Mr. Clinton was the President of the United States, the first thing that he did with the veto power he had was veto something in toto.
It will be used in a partisan manner.
It is important for Members to know that defeating the previous question will not block the underlying bill, but by voting ``no'' on the previous question, we will be able to consider the Spratt alternative bill.
I urge all Members to vote ``no'' on the previous question.
Mr. Speaker, on that I demand the yeas and nays.