Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume. I cannot find anything of what the gentleman from Texas just said in the budget. I am still looking. None of those policies exist. All of that is just kind of created out of whole…
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
I cannot find anything of what the gentleman from Texas just said in the budget. I am still looking. None of those policies exist. All of that is just kind of created out of whole cloth. I have looked through it. There is no tax on veterans. My goodness, what kind of rhetoric is that, taxes on veterans. My goodness. Not in here. You cannot find it. I defy you to find it. I don't see a tax on veterans.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Kansas (Mr. Ryun) and a member of the committee.
Mr. Chairman, I yield to the gentleman from Alaska (Mr. Young), the chairman of the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, for a unanimous consent.
(Mr. YOUNG of Alaska asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
I have to put on my glasses, these numbers are so small. I have to tell you, on page 63, I have it right here: veterans goes from $71.9 billion to $74.6 billion. $71.9 billion to $74.6 billion. I am trying to think now, mathematically that sounds like an increase. Maybe I am missing something, but 71 to 74. Let's see, that's a bigger number; 74, bigger, not a cut. That is an increase.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Alabama (Mr. Bonner), a distinguished member of the committee.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Indiana (Mr. Chocola), a member of the committee.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Mario Diaz-Balart), a member of the committee.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from California (Mr. Daniel E. Lungren), a member of the committee.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 minutes to the very distinguished chairman of the Education Committee, my friend from California (Mr. McKeon).
Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
Does the gentlemen know that the Spratt alternative does the exact same thing?
But is the money in there in this ``reckless'' plan the gentleman was suggesting?
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 3 minutes.
Mr. Chairman, let me just say to start with, I cannot let that go. In this body we have had bipartisanship with regard to national defense for quite a long time, and I hope that continues. But the irresponsibility of the statement that was just made has got to be called on the carpet.
The Spratt alternative, everyone has a right to come to the floor with an alternative, and I have enormous respect for the gentleman from South Carolina. We are friends. We work together on budgets. He has the full right to come here. But don't come to the floor and tell us that we have an irresponsible plan, when your plan has the same numbers, number one; and, what is more, fills whatever gap you were just talking about with something called the ``tax gap,'' which is a $290 billion pipe dream that somehow you are going to collect money on past taxes from people who didn't pay them.
Good luck. I would like to see you try. But that is how you fill the hole, I would say to the gentleman from New Jersey. And what is more, and I will bet it is in your press release already, you claim balance by supporting the Spratt substitute.
There is only one way you can claim balance, only one way. Do you know what that is? The way you claim balance is if you spend no more money on Afghanistan, no more money on Iraq, no more money supporting troops in the field, no more money for body armor, no more money for any benefits to those troops that are serving us so well over there in the Gulf.
So for you to come to the floor, when we have bipartisanship on national defense 99.9 percent of the time around here, for you to come here and for you to suggest somehow that it is reckless for us to put that in our plan when you not only put it in the plan but then somehow claim balance, there is only one of two ways: You either have some secret plan to bring the troops home immediately, similar to evidently what was proposed by the gentleman from Pennsylvania here not that long ago, or you intend to have no money for those troops in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Now, my guess is that is not true, and my guess is I just went over the line. My guess is that is not what the gentleman intends, and my guess is that when the bill comes to the floor and when the very distinguished gentleman from Missouri, the Democrat ranking member and when the very distinguished gentleman from California, the chairman of the full Committee on National Defense and Armed Services comes to the floor, that that will not be the case whatsoever.
But for you to increase the rhetoric down here about some irresponsible defense plan is irresponsible.
I hope we can put that partisanship back in the bottle, because it ought to end at the shore when our men and women are fighting in harm's way, and I hope that the gentleman will check that rhetoric next time he comes to the floor, because we can have disagreements over a lot of things, but when the numbers are the same for the same reason because we have the same passion and concern about our men and women, please, I would ask the gentleman not to heighten the rhetoric so he can put out a press release.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
Yes, they are. In fact, we put into the budget an emergency reserve fund for the purpose of funding that war, the same way Mr. Spratt does, the exact same amount.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 1 minute.
First and foremost, we added $1.3 billion back into the budget for that very purpose on CDBG. So the gentlewoman is mistaken on that point.
Plus, I am glad the gentlewoman is at least one of the Members who have been willing to come here and be honest about her lack of support for the war and what that means for the budget priorities. If you do not support the war and you do not support the funding, it makes it clear why you would not put it in there and then claim balance.
We are not trying to pretend to anybody that there are not going to be expenses in the outyears. We just do not know what they are. And nobody on either side knows what they are going to be. The Pentagon does not even know what they are going to be. We hope that they are minimal, but we have at least put the funding in the budget to demonstrate that.
The difference is that in this alternative I think we are starting to see the glimmer of what the plan is really about, and that is a secret plan to bring the troops home, do it immediately, not fund in the outyears, claim balance, and as a result not support what we are doing.
That is fine if that is what you want to do. I am glad you are at least being honest about that and that is exactly what is being planned in this budget. By not putting the money in there, by claiming balance, it is clear that there will be no more money for the war in Afghanistan and the war on terror after this budget year.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Garrett), a distinguished member of the committee.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 4 minutes to the gentleman from North Carolina (Mr. McHenry), a very distinguished member of the committee.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 1 minute.
I am sure I misunderstood what the gentleman just said. You mean to tell me he supports tax cuts? My goodness. He supports cutting taxes for people? I can't believe my ears. At a time of deficits? At a time of national debt? At a time where we are not meeting our obligations the gentleman is supporting cutting taxes?
My goodness. There is not a scientific scintilla of evidence that cutting taxes is right, he says, but yet he supports cutting taxes? My, my goodness. Why would the gentleman be supporting cutting taxes for people at this desperate time in American history? There must be a reason.
I believe I have the time, Mr. Chairman.
I just am shocked. There is no scientific evidence, Mr. Chairman, but we are understanding that the gentleman, and that there might even be in the Democratic substitute tax cuts? Why would we do such a thing when there is no science, when we have desperate times, when we have deficits? Why would we do that?
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
I hope my colleagues understood what I was trying to point out, and that is it seems very convenient for Members to come to the floor and decry the irresponsibility of tax cuts and yet propose them themselves. Isn't that interesting? Oh, but they are targeted, the gentleman will say. They are targeted. They are targeted for the exact right one person they want to target it for.
Our tax cuts reduce taxes for every taxpayer in America. We didn't pick and choose the winners. We didn't decide who was appropriate and who wasn't appropriate. Every taxpayer in America, every taxpayer in America got tax relief under this plan, and it is working because, as the gentleman fails to understand, last year alone there was a 15 percent increase in revenue.
Because there is scientific data to show that when you allow people to spend their own money, as opposed to having to come crawling to you to have a little bit of it back for the dignity that they seek from a big government; when they make those decisions for themselves, they make better decisions, and the economy grows and it expands.
We have had 18 quarters of economic growth and expansion with 5 million new jobs created. There is your proof, and that is the reason why the gentleman comes down now and says, yeah, I am kind of for those tax cuts; kind of like them now. I don't want them for everybody, I will pick and choose who I want. I have decided who the winners and losers in America are going to be because I can make that decision. I am smart enough to do that.
Well, on this side of the aisle, we believe everybody in America is a winner. Every taxpayer deserves that kind of respect, and that is the reason why we reduce taxes for every American. Every American is a winner in our vision of America.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 minutes to the gentlewoman from Michigan (Mrs. Miller).
Mr. Chairman, at this time I yield 3 minutes to a distinguished member of the committee, the gentleman from New Hampshire (Mr. Bradley).
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 2 minutes just to compliment the gentleman on his turn of phrase. There isn't anybody in the body who does it better, and I have enormous respect for him as well.
But let me suggest that it is an attitude about who are winners. I certainly understand as the gentleman knows very profoundly that there are people who struggle in America. No question.
But if you have an attitude about them being successful, about them being able to be successful and being able to be winners without crawling to you, without crawling to me, without having to crawl to anyone or be dependent on any government or any government check, that is a different attitude than the one I hear so often from colleagues who come here saying that the only way they will ever survive is if government is there, and that is not how our country was founded, as the gentleman knows better than anyone. That is exactly why we believe everyone in this country is a winner.
Let me also suggest to the gentlemen that when the President spoke from that well saying he would not pass off to a new generation the challenges of this generation, that speech was given approximately 8 months before September 11, 2001. In those 8 months before and in the 5 years since, we have learned a lot, haven't we.
I would suggest that we are working hard together, often in a bipartisan way, to ensure that we do not leave terrorism to the next generation, to ensure that we do not leave Katrinas to the next generation, and to ensure that we leave prosperity in our economy to future generations.
Certainly there are short-term challenges and there are short-term deficits that we need to deal with. But to suggest that the President somehow woke up today with the same challenges he woke up with the day he made that speech is either trying to not be honest about history or forgetting it, or trying to suggest that it did not happen, and I don't believe the gentleman would suggest that one way or another.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 minutes to the gentlewoman from Tennessee (Mrs. Blackburn), who is not a member of the committee.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Burgess).
Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Alabama (Mr. Bonner), a member of the committee.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I have no further speakers, and we are prepared to close. I believe I have the right to close the general debate, and we are prepared to close debate at this point.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself the balance of the time.
Mr. Chairman and colleagues, this is always a challenging debate because what, unfortunately, is not part of the discussion, in the debate back home in particular, is that numbers very rarely demonstrate results; that when you talk about a budget, when you hold up a document which, it is interesting, I have heard so much debate today about we are cutting this, we are cutting that, we are slashing, we are eliminating, all sorts of things.
The budget of the United States basically is 43 legislative pages long, and you can't find those in here because what the budget does is it sets a framework, is all the budget does. It sets a framework, no different than what families do around their kitchen tables every day. They set a framework, a budget. And then as the bills come in, they apply those bills to that framework and determine whether they are over, whether they are under, what
they can afford, what they can't afford, if there is an emergency what they are able to borrow, how much they are going to be able to invest in their kids' college or whatever it might be. Those are budgets, and we have no different course of budget right here.
It is a framework. Within that framework many decisions will be made this year, decisions about education, decisions about homeland security, decisions about national defense, decisions about what we are going to do in order to meet many needs, many challenges, some choices, some circumstances that we know will rise this year and years to come.
We have decided that in order to write this budget we had to anchor it to some pretty important principles, and that is what we tried to do.
First, what are our strengths? As a nation, the most important strength we have is our people. I mean, that is what this is about. Those are the three first words of our Constitution, ``We, the people,'' not government, not bureaucracy, not government programs, not entitlements, not any of that, but ``We, the people.'' That is what is the strength.
And our people, I will tell you what, when you allow, when you unleash them, when you empower them, when you give them the incentive of American ingenuity to go out and do things, I have got to tell you, it is unbelievable to watch.
In my own home State, you see farmers produce the food for the world. You see that in so many places around our country. You see small businesses, I am sure in the gentleman from South Carolina's district, my friend, create jobs and opportunities and services and manufactured goods that not only supply the United States but supply the world. And when you unlock the economy, when you allow people to make those investments for themselves, I will tell you what, it is a wonderful thing to watch. And that is something beautiful about our country that has really been the reason why we are the economic wonder of the world, why we are the economic leader of the world.
There is no question that there are other places around the world that would love to be like the United States when it came to our ability to invent, our ability to create, our ability to serve so many people, not only here in the United States but around the world. But if we don't continue to build on that strength, it could very well be lost, and that is the reason why as part of this budget plan we continue the work to grow the economy, because that is number one.
The second item that this is built on is our military strength, our strength of power, our strength of being able to defend freedom here in this country and around the world. And there is no question that there will be differences of opinion on every side about this conflict or that conflict, but there is bipartisan agreement always on the fact that our United States military is number one. It needs to stay number one. When we put a man or a woman in uniform and ask them to go away from their family or their community, we make sure and we ensure and we do everything we can within budgets like this and like the budget that Mr. Spratt is presenting and like all budgets, we ensure that they have the best, that they can be the fastest, they can be the strongest. And certainly there are going to be differences of opinion of exactly how that can be accomplished; but the goal is the same, and our budget accomplishes that.
We also believe that we need to defend our Nation differently than we ever have before. I understand that there are some people who come to the floor who think it is pretty easy to write a budget. Just do this, just do that. Try to do it after 9/11. Try to do it after wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and the global war on terror. Try to do it after Katrina. Try to do it when 13 million people are crossing our borders unchecked.
We have enormous challenges with regard to homeland security. We meet those challenges as part of this budget. Will there be differences of opinion in priority of how to meet those challenges within the rest of the process that we will engage in this year? Yes, of course, and there should. But we ought to also limit that spending and say this is how much we are going to dedicate to that, and, again, our proposals are similar.
But in addition to that, we also know that the government can overstep its bounds. It can spend too much. And just like every year, we hear about pork barrel spending. We hear about earmarks. We hear about those special projects. Part of the reason that we have those is when we have unlimited funds to spend, people get pretty creative on how to spend it. Either as a constituent coming from Iowa or as constituents from around the country, I have never had a constituent come into my office and say, Jim, this project I am about to show you is not worthy of funding. In fact, they never tell me that we are spending just enough. They almost always say we would like a little bit more.
So what a budget does is it says there is the top line; that is the most we can spend. And while there are certainly worthy projects that we need to fund this year, there are also projects that need oversight, scrutiny, need to be reformed, need to be changed, need to be put off until next year, or here is a word that we rarely say particularly in an election year: How about ``no,'' we are not going to fund that; it is a crazy idea. And to look them in the eye and be able to tell them that is certainly a difficult job, but it is one that we have to do. By setting that top line on spending, we accomplish that. Again, this is what this budget does.
Finally, let me say that we do one more thing that we believe is very important, and it is a lesson that I learned one of my first years here in Congress during the great Mississippi flood of 1993. But, unfortunately, I and every one of my colleagues have relearned it almost year after year after year, and that is, regardless of what we have put in these budgets, there are unforeseen circumstances that will occur whether we like it or not. It could be an earthquake. It could be a flood. It could be the biggest hurricane in our history hitting almost a direct hit on one of our most cherished cities.
No matter what we put in this budget, we may have a war. We may have a terrorist attack. We may have things happen that are outside of our control. But we know that they are probably out there and that they are lurking, and so what we have put into this budget is not only a fund in an emergency way to deal with that war, but, also, for the first time we have set money aside recognizing that we may have that earthquake, we may have that flood, we may have the tornadoes like we had this last weekend, and we had darn well better set some money aside for that rainy day, just like that family sitting around that kitchen table saves just a little bit to deal with what might be a leaky roof or a refrigerator that goes on the fritz.
We have got to deal with those problems, and I believe this budget accomplishes that. And it does so in a way that recognizes what I tried to say in this debate. We believe in those people that we represent. We want them to be winners. We know there are challenges. We know there are people who need our help regardless of their ability to help themselves. And even though that is certainly the compassion of this country, we ought to respect the fact that dignity does not start with a government check. Dignity does not start by somebody crawling to a Federal agency and saying please help me. That is not dignity in America. Dignity does not start with a government check or with a big government bureaucracy.
Dignity starts by recognizing our personal freedom granted to us by our Creator, not granted to us by a government bureaucracy or granted to us by the United States Congress. We fought a revolution over the fact that we are free and that our dignity starts in our heart because it is given to us by God, not by government, not by anybody else. And for us to continue to perpetuate the myth that the only way to distribute compassion in this country is by handing out freedom or handing out government or handing out a check to people, that that is the only way they will get it, I believe that is an unfortunate juncture that we find ourselves in in this country.
Our budget does not continue to perpetuate the belief that in order for you to have dignity, it is found in these pages or it is found on this floor or it is found somewhere in Washington,
D.C. The most dignified things that happen in this country are the decisions that are made by people and families in freedom in the United States of America, and the only way that can continue is if we continue to perpetuate that freedom.
So while there is certainly going to be a lot of rhetoric about how for some reason we are cutting programs, we are slashing this, we are gouging that, when it comes right down to it, it is because we do not believe that these programs measure our compassion as a Nation. The only way that is measured is by getting people to be able to help themselves and creating the opportunities to pass on to the next generation. That was done for me by my parents. That is something that I hope to do for my kids, and it is something that we all hope for. And it is not something we look for from government.
So I hope that we, over the course of the next days or time, pass this budget, which sets a blueprint down that not only measures our ability to deal with certain challenges. It sets resources aside to deal with challenges that may be unforeseen, and it recognizes that freedom starts with the individual. It does not start in this Chamber or in this document.
Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.