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Mr. Speaker, I take this time for the purpose of inquiring of the majority leader the schedule for the House. Mr. Speaker, I will be glad to yield to the majority leader for the purposes of informing us of the proposed schedule for next…
Mr. Speaker, I take this time for the purpose of inquiring of the majority leader the schedule for the House.
Mr. Speaker, I will be glad to yield to the majority leader for the purposes of informing us of the proposed schedule for next week.
I thank the gentleman for providing us with that information. The leader points out that the Medicare prescription drug bill will be on the floor.
First I would like to know, Mr. Leader, if you know which day of the week or days of the week can we expect to see the Medicare prescription drug bill on the floor?
It would be the intention of the leader to have this bill finished prior to the end of next week?
Reclaiming my time, Mr. Leader, obviously this will be one of the most important bills that we consider during this session of the Congress of the United States, and I would ask if it is the gentleman's intention and the leadership on your side's intention to provide a rule which will allow the minority to offer such amendments as it deems to be appropriate, to offer a substitute that it deems to be appropriate, and to provide sufficient time to debate those amendments?
I yield further to the gentleman from Texas.
Reclaiming my time, we appreciate the fact that the gentleman will be, I am not sure I heard you, you will be giving us a substitute or you will consider giving us a substitute. I am not sure I understood.
Reclaiming my time, Mr. Leader, we understand that, but everybody on this floor, every Member, perhaps not the American public, but every Member knows that the majority, when it needs a waiver of the rules to present something on the floor that it wants to present, waives those rules.
So when I said something that the minority wants to offer, I meant that, very frankly, if the democratic process is going to operate openly and effectively so that there can be different alternatives considered, alternatives that we believe are appropriate, as well as, obviously, the majority can present the alternatives it deems to be appropriate. Clearly, if one fashions a bill so that the alternative we believe is appropriate is not consistent with those rules and will not give us a waiver, you effectively have precluded us from offering that substitute or those amendments. I mentioned the substitute, but I also would hope that there would be a willingness to make in order numerous amendments from the minority side of the House.
As I have pointed out, Mr. Leader, we represent approximately 140 million Americans on this side; you represent approximately 150 million Americans. That is pretty close. The Americans who sent us here obviously would want to see their alternatives considered by the full House. And if they are rejected, so be it. But I would urge the leader, particularly on a bill as important as this, as controversial as this, having such ramifications to 40 million Americans on Medicare, that you would be, you and the Speaker and the whip on your side, would urge the gentleman from California (Mr. Dreier) and the Committee on Rules to be as broad in their approval of alternatives as they could be.
I see the gentleman from California (Mr. Dreier) is on the floor. I carry around with me, as he knows, quotes. I do not know how many people carry around quotes of the gentleman from California, but I carry around quotes of the gentleman from California in my pocket. From time to time I bring them out. He made the point as a minority Member that a Member ought to be given the ability to offer alternatives; and if they lose, they lose. But in a democratic institution that prides itself on being the people's House, all of the people's representatives ought to be given an option to offer their alternatives.
I yield to the gentleman from California (Mr. Dreier), the chairman of the Committee on Rules.
Mr. Speaker, reclaiming my time, I thank the gentleman for his comments. As we all know, the Committee on Rules is the least representative committee in terms of distribution of numbers, and that was true when we were in charge, so I understand that. It is not a criticism. That is the way the Committee on Rules is run. It is an agent, if you will, of the majority. It is how the majority runs the House.
We are not deluded on our side, anymore than you were when you were in the minority, deluded to the fact that you would be able to make an impact in committee. So very frankly, taking under consideration seriously our request is interesting and we are appreciative that you will take it under consideration.
But more basically than that, the gentleman has sole authority to do it. You can do it any way you want. We understand that. But our expectation is that on a bill of this magnitude and importance, that we will be allowed not only to offer a substitute, but amendments.
I will tell the gentleman that we understand the strictures of the Republican budget and, by the way, our budget, both of which have close numbers, we had $528 billion and I think you had $5 billion in terms of a number of items in your budget. But the fact is, we understand those strictures. And if those are the only strictures which we are confronted with, we will work within those restraints.
I yield to the gentleman from California.
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for his representation. Let me, reclaiming my time, make another observation.
In times past, the defense bill being, for instance, the authorization bill which we passed very quickly a few weeks ago, we had spent 6 days, 7 days on that piece of legislation. This legislation is going to have an extraordinary impact on millions of Americans, and we would hope that there would be sufficient time to debate the bill and, again, substitutes and amendments, so that we could fully air its ramifications to those millions of people, and to Medicare itself.
Obviously, there are different points of view on how to get to where we all want to get, or at least most of us want to get. I think there is a substantial difference on whether or not we want to see a program in a viable, ongoing, healthy Medicare, or whether or not Medicare is eliminated or shrunk very substantially and the private sector is in charge of whether or not to offer such benefits. That is a significant policy difference between us, I think; and it needs to be debated.
So not only would I urge that we be given the amendments and substitutes that we seek, but also the time to develop those amendments and positions
on those amendments, as it is appropriate for the American public to understand the perspectives of the parties and of the individuals offering amendments.
I yield to the gentleman from California.
Mr. Speaker, reclaiming my time, I appreciate that. I think we have made our point. I do hope that the chairman, although we may differ on intents, but in any event, I think the gentleman is absolutely correct, nobody has introduced something like that. Nobody has been so bold as to introduce a specific proposal, although many have been bold enough to discuss that objective and result, I say to my friend from California. Some have been that bold to discuss that result, if not introducing such a bill.
Mr. Speaker, I thank the chairman of the Committee on Rules.
On the appropriation bills, again, this is a concern that we have, because we have heard some discussions, Mr. Leader, about having restrained rules for appropriations. As the gentleman knows, more often than not, when we were in the majority, we brought many appropriation bills to the floor without a rule. As the gentleman knows, under the rules, appropriation bills do not need a rule.
Can the gentleman tell me what the majority contemplates for appropriation bills as they come to the floor and the rules that they may be coming to the floor under?
I yield to the gentleman from Texas.
Mr. Speaker, reclaiming my time, I appreciate the gentleman's assertion of what we have done in the past and that he hopes we can continue to do that.
The intelligence authorization, when does the gentleman believe that that would be coming up? I yield to the gentleman.
Mr. Speaker, I saw a grimace, and I thought I would give time for communication between the people who know what is going on like our staff here and the gentleman and myself.
Okay. Fine.
The MSA bill. When does the gentleman expect that? We are trying to get sort of the flow of bills so we can be prepared. The Medicare bill we assume is going to come late Wednesday and Thursday, and then these other bills will come earlier. The MSA bill, when does the gentleman think that will come?
I yield to the gentleman from Texas.
I thank the leader.
Now, Mr. Leader, one of the things I was very concerned about in hearing the schedule, it has now been just short of 7 days that we passed the child tax credit legislation that many of us have expressed real concern about. We went to conference that same day, as the gentleman knows.
Can the gentleman tell me whether or not the conference is meeting? Can the gentleman tell me whether we expect to consider a conference report so that prior to July the 6.5 million families and the 12 million children that were left out when it came out of conference might be helped? Can the gentleman tell me whether or not there is either the conference proceeding or whether or not there is any expectation that we will take a conference report up on the floor next week prior to going home for the July 4th break? I yield to the gentleman.
I thank the gentleman for that information. I also thank him for his excitement and because he is so excited about passing this, I want to tell him, and I say this very seriously on behalf of our leader, the gentlewoman from California (Ms. Pelosi) and myself, we are prepared to give you unanimous consent to take the Senate bill from the desk, put it on the floor and pass it by unanimous consent. We were excited about it, too. But much more than being excited about it, we think it is an essential act of fairness to assist some of the neediest working tax-paying families in America who were left on the cutting room floor when it came out of conference. And if you share, as I think you do, or at least you express that excitement and enthusiasm for accomplishing that objective, we may not be able to accomplish everything. But we can accomplish some things. And we ought not to have everything fail or some things fail because we could not do everything.
And I say very sincerely to the leader, on our side, we are prepared to give unanimous consent on Monday night, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday or Friday or Saturday or as long as we want to stay here next week for the purposes of passing that, so those families who were included but cut out in the conference would be included and would participate in the advantages under the tax bill that has already been signed by the President.
I will tell you, Mr. Leader, very seriously that these 6\1/2\ million families, these 12 million children will, frankly, not understand that the perfect of what you just spoke was the enemy of the extraordinarily good, which is included in the Senate bill. And I will tell the gentleman further, during the Senate bill, unlike the bill that we passed in the House, the men and women in combat who fall within the income constraints which were covered in the Senate bill were not covered in the House bill. And while we certainly agree with you on helping all of the military who qualify, we certainly believe that the folks in combat whose combat pay is now counted against them for qualifications under this bill, would be helped by the Senate bill. So I think we could help the men and women in combat first.
And I will tell you also, Mr. Leader, we are prepared to offer unanimous consent for a companion know bill as we pass the Senate bill to fix the problem or address the problem of which you have spoken with reference to the military. But we ought not to, Mr. Leader, with all due sincerity, if we are excited, if we believe this is an important thing to do, if you wanted to make it permanent, you could have done so, of course, you did not make it permanent. You did it 5 more years than we did it. We were in the constraints of the Senate bill.
We would like to make it permanent as well. However, what we would not like to do is have July come and there be no relief for these families which is going to happen if the perfect, if the objective of doing everything defeats us in doing something.
Well, the bill passed, I think we disagree on some of the information, Mr. Leader, that you have just said. I do not think you are accurate on some of that information, but be that as it may.
The gentleman is accurate on that. As you know, in the Senate bill, we increased from 10 to 15 percent the credit that would be available to them. That was dropped, as you know, in the conference.
That is correct.
That is correct.
The House bill has not been taken up, Mr. Leader. It is very nice to say and, reclaiming my time, that it is in the House bill. It is permanent in the House bill. We do a lot of things in the House bill. On our side, we did not believe the House bill was going to be taken up, and we said that, which is why we said we ought to take up the Senate bill and pass it and do something, even though we were not doing everything, and we still maintain that position. And as I am reminded, and I would remind the leader, this House voted to instruct the conferees to take the Senate bill.
So we are simply giving unanimous consent to do what the House has already voted on that same day last Thursday to do, and that is, pass the Senate bill. That is what we instructed the conferees to do. So it is not as if we are asking for something that the House has not voted on to do and to accelerate the passage of this legislation so we can help these families.
Reclaiming my time, Mr. Leader, I hope we are not going to give people the impression that a body that passed a bill 94 to 2 would not agree to us passing their bill because, frankly, I do not think that is the case.
I understand what you are saying, and I understand that they have been told you are not going to take the Senate bill; and, therefore, they need to go to conference. So they are bowing to practicality. What I am saying is we ought to bow to needs and to practicality and pass the bill. And I am saying to you that we can give you and will give you unanimous consent to do exactly that so that these folks can get that which they will not get, and that is, the additional payment which was provided for in the conference but not reported out of the conference, and, therefore, we are going to leave 200,000 armed services personnel not advantaged as others were in the bill.
We are going to leave 6\1/2\ million families with 12 million children not advantaged, as was the intent of the Senate, and I think most of the House.