Mr. President, just before we broke for the recess, I spoke here on the Senate floor for a short amount of time about the nomination of Jeffrey Sutton to be on the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals and about the deep concerns I have about…
Mr. President, just before we broke for the recess, I spoke here on the Senate floor for a short amount of time about the nomination of Jeffrey Sutton to be on the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals and about the deep concerns I have about this nomination. I want to take more time today to explain my concerns that Mr. Sutton, I don't believe, will be able to put aside his own deeply felt and deeply held ideological views; that he will not be able to put aside his determination to be an activist judge and give people a fair and impartial hearing, especially when it comes to cases dealing with civil rights and, more specifically, when it comes to cases dealing with rights under the Americans with Disabilities Act.
I had the opportunity to meet with Mr. Sutton for over an hour and a half in my office. We had a great conversation. I found him to be very personable. I listened to my friend from Ohio talking about how bright he was, that he is an accomplished attorney. I will grant all of that. He is a very bright, capable, and accomplished attorney. He has a great resume: Ohio State Law School, first in his class, and former Ohio Solicitor. He has argued cases before the U.S. Supreme Court, and he has won many of them. But qualifications are just one aspect of whether or not a person ought to have a life tenure--think about it: life tenure--as a Federal judge.
Qualifications are certainly important, obviously. But that is only one part of the equation. The other part has to deal with this person's views. What is the historical analysis of what this person has both said and written in terms of how he would view his role as a Federal judge?
So, again, I think we have a responsibility as Senators to take into account both the qualifications but also this other side of the agenda as to whether or not this person would be a Federal judge who could give a fair and impartial hearing to those who come before him.
These are not occasions on which the Senate ought to just rubberstamp a nominee. This nominee was brought up on the evening before we went out for the break. No one was here. Now it is a Monday, and there are no votes today, so Senators are drifting back from their 2-week spring recess, and we are supposed to vote on Mr. Sutton tomorrow. I hope the majority leader will allow us a little bit more time to discuss this rather than asking Senators just to rubberstamp this nominee.
I can tell you, after careful review of his advocacy, both inside and outside the courtroom, I am not convinced that Mr. Sutton would be able to put aside his personal agenda. I am not convinced that someone with a disability rights or civil rights claim would get a fair shake from Mr. Sutton. Especially, for me, I cannot support putting someone on a Federal bench who has worked to undermine the Americans with Disabilities Act.
Again, many of my colleagues know that when I first came to the Senate in the mid-1980s, I began to work, as I had done in the House, with many disability groups around the country to finally address the glaring omission from the 1964 Civil Rights Act, that glaring omission being Americans with disabilities.
So at that time I became chairman of the Disabilities Subcommittee on the then-Education, Labor, and Health Committee under the great leadership of Senator Kennedy. In fact, before I took over, it was Senator Lowell Weicker, a Republican, who had introduced the first version of the Americans with Disabilities Act, who became a great champion, and still is a great champion, for Americans with disabilities. So it was really a bipartisan effort in those days to get a civil rights bill through that closed that loophole of not having a Federal civil rights bill that covered people with disabilities.
As many of my colleagues knew at that time--maybe some do today--I had a brother with whom I grew up who was deaf. I saw how he had been treated as a child, growing up, and as an adult, and how he was discriminated against simply because he had a disability.
He was sent away at a young age halfway across the State of Iowa to attend the Iowa State School for the Deaf. In those days, they called it the ``School for the Deaf and the Dumb.'' As my brother once said: ``I may be deaf, but I'm not dumb.'' But that is the way people were treated. In other words, if you had a disability, you were segregated, you were taken out of your home, out of your home community, without any consideration for the family or anything, and you were sent to an institution someplace; in this case, it was a school for the deaf.
While he was there, my brother was told he could be one of three things: He could be a baker, a shoe cobbler, or a printer's assistant-- and nothing else. Well, he did not want to be any of those, so they said: OK, you're going to be a baker.
Again, because he had a disability, because he could not hear, it was, I guess, accepted or thought that people had to be told what to do; they could not decide for themselves. Their horizons were limited. That was the real world in which I grew up, the real world of what happened to people with disabilities--travel, accommodations, jobs, employment, everything.
So we in Congress began to look at this. What was it like in this country to be a person using a wheelchair? What was it like to be a person with cerebral palsy? What was it like to be a person with blindness? What was it like to be a person who was deaf, like my brother? What was it like? What were their lives like? How did they live? And how did our Constitution cover them? Were they equal to us? Were they equal to the nondisabled community in America? Or were they somehow discriminated against because of their disability?
We in Congress did not just rush through a law, like Mr. Sutton says. We did not just have a bunch of staff with laptop computers and they just sort of turned it out. We laid the groundwork--years, years, years of accumulating data, of findings, of investigation, of hearings--a legislative record fully documenting the overwhelming evidence that discrimination in this country against people with disabilities was rampant--not a little bit here, not a little bit there, but rampant.
At the time of the drafting of the ADA, we took care to make sure that this important civil rights law had the findings and the constitutional basis to pass muster with the U.S. Supreme Court.
Here are some of the things we did: 25 years of studies by the Congress, going clear back to 1965 with the National Commission on Architectural Barriers; in 1974, the White House Conference on Handicapped Individuals; in 1983, the U.S. Civil Rights Commission published ``Accommodating the Spectrum of Individual Abilities,'' with a comprehensive report on discrimination against people with disabilities; in 1986, the National Council on Disabilities--I knew them well; they were the first group I started to work with when I came to the Senate--15 appointees by then-President Reagan, and their report documenting pervasive discrimination and the need for an omnibus civil rights statute.
I am not going to go through them all, but, again: study after study, 17 formal hearings by congressional committees and subcommittees, a markup by 5 separate committees, 63 public forums across the country, oral and written testimony by the Attorney General of the United States, Governors, State attorneys general, State legislators.
We had in excess of 300 examples of discrimination by State governments in the legislative record--300 examples--and yet in the Garrett case--I will speak more about that; and I was there; I was sitting in the Supreme Court the day Mr. Sutton argued the case there-- Mr. Sutton said--and I could not believe my ears when I heard
it--he said there was really no evidence that this was needed, that basically States were doing a pretty good job, that the ADA was not needed. There were over 300 examples of discrimination by State governments.
It took the tireless work of Democrats and Republicans, and when it passed the Senate, it passed 91 to 6. That is pretty overwhelming support. In the House, it passed 403 to 20. Attorney General Thornburgh, Republican Attorney General, the Chamber of Commerce, President Bush, the first one, stood with us. Why did we all stand together on the Americans with Disabilities Act? It was the right thing to do. Justice demanded it.
At the time he signed the ADA into law, President Bush had many good things to say about it. I ask unanimous consent to print in the Record President Bush's statement.
A lot of the work we did is being termed irrelevant. Somehow, according to Mr. Sutton, we did not do enough. You may be wondering why I go into all of this. Mr. Sutton says we didn't have the findings, basically.
When I look back on the Supreme Court decisions handed down in the last few years, I am troubled that a lot of the work we have done on civil rights over the last 30 years is in jeopardy. In particular, I see a chipping away of the Americans with Disabilities Act, the bill that symbolizes the inclusion of people in our society. Mr. Sutton has held the hammer and the chisel.
That is why I am convinced Mr. Sutton does not possess all of the qualities needed to serve a life tenure on the Sixth Circuit. I am not convinced that someone with a civil rights claim could walk in the courtroom and be confident they will get a fair shake.
It is not the person himself that troubles me. It is his ideology. It is where he is coming from. It is what he has said and written and advocated. He has advocated for the proposition that civil rights protections for persons with disabilities belongs in the hands of each of the 50 separate States. His arguments before the Supreme Court articulate that States can do a better job of it than Congress and that we did not find enough evidence.
We found the evidence, and it is there in the record. I don't know how anyone in the real world could say: Disability discrimination in a constitutional sense is really difficult to show.
That is what Jeffrey Sutton said on National Public Radio October 11, 2000. You will hear a lot of talk, probably today and leading up to the vote tomorrow, that Jeffrey Sutton was representing his clients. He said this on National Public Radio. He was not representing a client. He said: It is really difficult to show disability discrimination in a constitutional sense.
The unfortunate history of unequal treatment of persons with disabilities in our country has been locked away in institutions for years: People with mental disabilities are subjected to involuntary sterilization; persons with severe hearing loss labeled, as my brother, deaf and dumb; and for way too many years, those who were blind forced to sell pencils on the street corner for a living.
Mr. Sutton seems to have an extremely limited view of our authority as Congress to legislate in this important civil rights area, as well as others. From his arguments before the Supreme Court, he seems to believe each State does its job to protect the constitutional rights of persons with disabilities as the State sees fit. After what I saw, what I heard after all these many years, all the hearings and the record, I can't fathom anyone would actually reach the conclusion that the States were doing a good job protecting people with disabilities. Some States, yes, had pretty decent laws on the books covering people with disabilities. Other States did not.
But I ask, as an American citizen, as a citizen of the United States, should your civil rights depend on your address? Should your civil rights depend on the State in which you happen to live?
I believe the Constitution and civil rights cover us all. And what we found during all these years, all the hearings, the record, was that there was a patchwork quilt of laws around the country so if you were in a State, maybe, that didn't have very good laws and protection of people with disabilities, the only way you could ensure your civil rights was to move to another State. I don't believe that is what the Constitution intends when it covers all Americans with civil rights.
Again, people will say: Mr. Sutton was just defending his clients. He was duty bound to advocate on behalf of his clients.
I am a lawyer. I know the professional code of conduct. But that doesn't tell the whole story. Mr. Sutton has written articles, participated in radio talk shows and panel discussions, where he has expressed his own personal views--not his clients', his views. That kind of publicity is not required by his role as a lawyer advocating on behalf of clients. It is clear to me this lifetime appointment would be detrimental to the civil rights that protect all Americans. He zealously advocates for States rights at the expense of individual rights. Persons with disabilities, senior workers, people of color, and underprivileged children deserve better.
More than 400 disability rights and civil rights groups agree. This chart depicts that. More than 400 have come out in opposition to Mr. Sutton being on the Sixth Circuit.
Jeffrey Sutton did not have to talk to the Legal Times about his pursuit of federalism cases. I want to speak about not the clients he has represented but what he said outside of the courtroom. In a November 2, 1998 article, the reporter writes that Mr. Sutton told him he and his staff were ``always on the lookout for cases coming before the court that raise issues of federalism or will affect local and State government interests.'' He is quoted as saying:
It doesn't get me invited to cocktail parties, but I love
these issues. I believe in this federalism stuff.
From the cases he has aggressively pursued, his view is that State power trumps the rights of U.S. citizens. I believe in States rights, too, to do certain things. One of the geniuses of our system is 50 different States experimenting in doing things. But when it comes to basic human rights, civil rights, we are all U.S. citizens. As I said, we should not let a State decide what our civil rights are. That is decided by the Constitution. My freedom of speech should not depend on whether I am in Iowa or California or Georgia or wherever. It is the fact that I am a U.S. citizen, here in this country. The Bill of Rights covers us all regardless of the State in which we may happen to live.
On National Public Radio he said:
As with age discrimination, disability discrimination in a
constitutional sense is really very difficult to show.
That was on National Public Radio, October 11, 2000. I guess, according to Mr. Sutton, all of the hearings we had, all of the markups, all of the public forums, all of the witnesses, all of the examples, do not mean a thing. What matters to him is his narrow view that it is up to the States to take care of this.
Now, again, on that same NPR radio broadcast, Mr. Sutton said:
I think it's a positive attribute of this system of divided
government that when 51 different sovereigns [including the
District of Columbia there], 51 different legislatures [we
don't have that here in the District of Columbia] tackle a
difficult social problem, they all arrive at different
approaches, and the ultimate idea and really transcendent
purpose of federalism is to have them compete for the best
solution.
He wasn't representing a client here. These are his own personal views. What happens when a State wins in these competitions? Do they get a prize? What about the people who are in the ``losing'' States? Are they out of luck? As I said before, do they have to move to another State?
After listening to all of the testimony on the ADA over a several years period of time, I find it hard to believe the 50 States were competing for the best solution on disability discrimination.
In 1997, Mr. Sutton served as a moderator for a panel discussion sponsored by the Federalist Society. As the moderator, Mr. Sutton criticized States for sacrificing ``federalist principles in order to obtain near-term politically favored results.''
I am not certain I know what that means, but I do know it is an opinion. He wasn't representing a client. It is his opinion. I think it is an opinion that State officials should challenge things like the ADA and civil rights laws that cover the elderly, and the Violence Against Women Act.
According to Mr. Sutton, the reason they don't contest a lot of this is because they don't want to upset the respective constituency with what those constituents would probably consider bad policy. I can think of a lot of people in my State who would consider it bad policy to allow discrimination against people with disabilities. Mr. Sutton said he was ``frustrated that, in the pursuit of particular political goals, the States are not rising up together and defending their authority against the encroachments by Congress.'' Frustrated? To me, that is a personal opinion, a personal emotion. I think the majority of us experience frustration when someone is adamant about disagreeing with us. We get frustrated when someone doesn't agree with our point of view. So he is ``frustrated that States are not rising up together''-- these are his words--``and defending their authority against encroachments by Congress.''
If he is frustrated, he must think that is what they should do. Maybe he is agitated because the States and Federal civil rights laws are different than what he would want. Maybe most States don't see them as encroachments on their State authority.
A lot of States are not joining in his extreme views on congressional authority to pass civil rights laws. Some States see it differently than Mr. Sutton. Fourteen State attorneys general signed on in support of Patricia Garrett in Garrett v. Alabama. Arizona, Connecticut, Illinois, Iowa, Kentucky, Maryland, Massachusetts, Missouri, New Mexico, New York, North Dakota, Vermont, and Washington wrote saying that Congress had the authority to enact the ADA. The 14 States I just named opposed Alabama's position represented and argued by Mr. Sutton.
Mr. Sutton seemed to favor a States rights philosophy in civil rights based on a personal opinion about what Congress is and what Congress does and how we do our work. Listen to this on the Violence Against Women Act, on which we had extensive findings that supported the passage of that law. He said in an article for the Federalist Society-- again not representing a client, but in his own writing:
Unexamined deference to the VAWA [Violence Against Women
Act] factfindings . . . would give to any congressional
staffer with a laptop the ultimate Marbury power--to have the
final say over what amounts to interstate commerce. . . .
Evidently, we Senators and Congressmen, with all these hearings, all of the investigations, all of the public forums, all of the testimony we have, all of the examples we have compiled--it doesn't mean anything. Evidently, we don't do that. We just have staffers with laptops and they churn out civil rights legislation.
Finally, in another article for the Federalist Society in 2001, Mr. Sutton stated his belief that federalism is a ``zero-sum'' situation in which either a State or Federal lawmaking prerogative ``must fall.'' He wrote:
The National Government in these types of cases invariably
becomes the State's loss and vice versa.
Think about that. Passing the Americans with Disabilities Act becomes a State's loss. How can Mr. Sutton hold such a view, that we break down the barriers of discrimination long held in our society against people with disabilities; and he says the Federal Government wins, the State governments lose. Well, quite frankly, we all saw it differently-- Republicans and Democrats. We saw this as a win-win. Everyone wanted this. American citizens wanted it when we broke down these barriers. Statutes like the ADA set a minimum bar for the country. States can always do more, but we passed a minimum bar. To me, that is not a zero- sum game. I don't see the Federal Government winning and States losing on that. I see all of us winning when we become a more inclusive society.
So, again, it is not Mr. Sutton's clients who are driving these issues. It is not just the fact that Mr. Sutton advocated for his clients, as we will hear and have heard and will continue to hear. It is what Mr. Sutton himself believes. It is how he feels. It is his views on whether or not we here in the Congress have the authority to pass civil rights legislation. According to him, no, we don't. The record, Mr. President, was replete. We didn't just pass it overnight, as I said.
We had case after case after case, and I can mention a few. There was the zookeeper who would not admit a child with mental retardation to the zoo because it would upset the chimpanzees. Another child with cerebral palsey was kept out of school because the teacher said his appearance ``nauseated'' his classmates.
What does all this discrimination do to those children with disabilities as they grow up? We had a woman who said:
We can just go on so long constantly reaching dead ends. I
am broke, degraded, angry, and have attempted suicide three
times. I know hundreds. Most of us try, but which way and
where can we go?
Well, in Mr. Sutton's America, she cannot go to the U.S. Congress. Despite all of the evidence, Congress did not have the power to pass the Americans with Disabilities Act because of States rights. We appointed a task force, led by Justin Dart. We went all over the Nation and had 63 meetings, as I said. Justin Dart heard from over 8,000 people in 50 States. He gathered stacks and stacks of letters into evidence. Just as an example from a health administrator who is blind. He wrote:
When I walked into the office of one department head, he
looked at me and said, ``Ah--if I knew you were blind, I
wouldn't have bothered bringing you in for an interview.''
Prior to the ADA, that was all right. A person could be denied a job because he was blind, even though he was fully qualified for it.
We have to go back to July 26, 1990. Well, let's go back to July 25, 1990. On July 25, 1990, if one was a person of color, say an African American, and they saw an ad in the paper for a job for which they were qualified, and they went down to interview for this job and their prospective employer took a look at them and said, get out of here, I am not hiring black people--probably would have used a word worse than that--on July 25 of 1990, he could have walked out of that door, gone right down the street to the courthouse and filed a lawsuit for a violation of his civil rights.
The same day, July 25, 1990, a person using a wheelchair sees an ad in the paper for a job for which they are qualified. They roll their wheelchair down there, go in the door, and the prospective employer looks at them and says, get out of here; I am not hiring your kind; cripples, get out of here. I do not want anybody like you around here. The person rolled their wheelchair out of there and went down to the courthouse on July 25, 1990, but guess what, the courthouse door was locked. They could not get in because they had no cause of action.
On July 25, 1990, as it had been for hundreds of years before, to discriminate against a person on the basis of their disability was not a violation of their civil rights. But on July 26, 1990, after President Bush signed it into law, if a person rolled their wheelchair down there and someone said, get out of here; I am not hiring people in wheelchairs, they could roll their wheelchair down to the courthouse door and, just like African Americans, or national origin, religion, or sex, they could then get in the courthouse door. Think about that. Before that, they could not do anything.
I will be honest and say some States did have certain laws on the books that might have protected people with disabilities. A lot of States did not. That is why we found this patchwork quilt. So a person's civil rights depended upon what State they lived in. We said, that is not correct. We said, that should not be so.
Well, Mr. Sutton's view that the Americans with Disabilities Act is not needed would turn us back to July 25, 1990, where one could be discriminated against.
I suppose Mr. Sutton might say, well, that was then; this is now. States are more enlightened now. Surely they would not do anything like that now.
A couple of years ago--I think 4 years ago, if I am not mistaken-- Patricia Garrett, from Alabama, had breast cancer. Patricia Garrett is right here in this picture. She went for medical attention, had surgery, chemotherapy, and then she returned to her work as a nursing supervisor.
Her boss wanted to get rid of her, not because she could not do her job but because her boss did not like having people around who were sick and had cancer. So Mrs. Garrett lost her job. She had to take a lower-paying job, but she decided to fight back. This was in 1997.
Six years later, she is still fighting in the courts about whether Congress had the ability to pass a law that applied to her because Alabama did not. She had to litigate whether Congress could pass the
Mr. President, no doubt Mr. Sutton is a very bright individual. He is very capable. He has argued cases before the Supreme Court. I don't argue his qualifications--not a bit. But I do argue his views--his views which, if he is permitted to take a seat on the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals, I believe would mean that when Mrs. Garrett or my nephew Kelly or other people with disabilities walked into that courtroom, or wheeled their chairs into that courtroom--that Mr. Sutton wouldn't see a person. He would not see the years and years of discrimination against people with disabilities. He would not see what that individual person has to put up with day after day.
He would only see one thing: What is the State law? If the State law did not cover it, then we in Congress have no power to act.
That, Mr. President, is an extreme view--an extreme activist view--of the role of our Federal judges, and one which this Senate should not accept.
I yield the floor.
I thank the Senator for the dialog. I thank the Senator for his statement, but I thank the Senator for his great leadership in the 1980s.
When I first came here in 1985 and became a member of the Labor Committee under the leadership of Mr. Kennedy, the Senator from Massachusetts, we were beginning to develop, as the Senator knows, at that time, the underlying legislation for ADA. It was the Senator from Massachusetts who provided the great leadership that brought us together--Republicans and Democrats, Republican Attorney General, Republican President, States attorneys general, Governors--all over the country, coming together saying, finally, we have to do something about this.
That is why Mr. Sutton's view is so disturbing in how he approaches this matter. As the Senator from Massachusetts so correctly stated, a lot of people are saying he was representing his client. However, he was on an NPR radio interview--not representing a client there, he was representing himself--in which he said disability discrimination in a constitutional test is hard to show, difficult to show.
The Senator from Massachusetts alluded to how much work we had done to show that, 25 years of study. The first study done by Congress showing discrimination against people with disabilities was in 1965, the National Commission on Architectural Behaviors. Finally, in 1989 we passed the Americans with Disabilities Act. Mr. Sutton says that is not enough.
As the Senator from Massachusetts pointed out, we had 17 formal hearings by the committee of the Senator from Massachusetts and the subcommittee which I chaired. Five separate committees marked up this bill. We had 63 public forums across the country, led by Justin Dart, head of the President's national committee--8,000 pages of testimony-- as the Senator mentioned, the Attorney General of the United States, Thornburg, Governors, State attorneys general, State legislators. But especially as it pertains to the Garrett case, Mr. Sutton basically said that Congress had not made a showing, that States were not living up to their responsibility to protect people with disabilities. There were 300 examples that came into our committee regarding discrimination by State governments. Mr. Sutton says that is not enough.
I wonder aloud to my friend from Massachusetts, how many do we need, 325? Is it 350? What is the magic number to show that State governments were violating constitutional rights of their citizens? With 300 examples, Mr. Sutton says that is not good enough.
I thank the Senator from Massachusetts for his statement, for his lifelong advocacy and support, especially of people with disabilities. I have geared my remarks on that--and for his advocacy and support for the Americans with Disabilities Act.
People say Mr. Sutton is a nice guy and all that kind of stuff. I suppose he is. I spent an hour and a half with him. I found him to be a very pleasurable individual. The Senator from Ohio said that he does not have any bias against people with disabilities. I don't contend that. I know the Senator from Massachusetts does not contend that Mr. Sutton has any personal bias against people with disabilities. However, his rigid ideology in that we in the Congress cannot pass national laws protecting the civil rights of people with disabilities sets the clock back 25 years or more. So that is the problem with Mr. Sutton. He has this rigid ideology that says people may be hurting, people may be discriminated against because they use a wheelchair or they have cerebral palsy or they are deaf or they are blind, and isn't that just too bad, our hearts go out to them, but we can't do anything about it unless the State does something about it.
I find that to be the primary reason why Mr. Sutton should not be on the circuit court of appeals. If he wants to be on the State bench some place, at a State court he can espouse that, but not as a member of the circuit court of the United States.
I thank the Senator from Massachusetts.