Mr. Speaker, I want to thank the gentleman from Colorado (Mr. Tancredo) for his persistence on the illegal immigration issue. He has brought his message to this body and to outside this body. Without his leadership, I do not think as many…
Mr. Speaker, I want to thank the gentleman from Colorado (Mr. Tancredo) for his persistence on the illegal immigration issue. He has brought his message to this body and to outside this body. Without his leadership, I do not think as many in this country would be aware of the huge cost that illegal immigration places on the taxpayers of the United States.
I have heard people in this body and in this Chamber and in the halls of the committee rooms talk about the deficit. Well, one way we can deal with the deficit is clamp down on illegal immigration. If we put a halt to that, there would be less hospital charges to Medicaid that our States and that the Federal Government would have to match; there would be fewer demands on our social service system; fewer demands on our food stamp system; fewer demands on an array of other services.
Also, we would not have to deal with the situations that occurred a few weeks ago with the tragedy of 18 or 19 persons dying in an overheated, piled-up trailer. We could save money in this country and have less of a deficit if we could halt illegal immigration.
But my reason for being here tonight, and I want to thank the gentleman from Colorado for yielding to me, I wanted to relate an example of how our policies with the United States Treasury Department, coupled with the views of the Mexican Government, cost us the United States taxpayers' funds.
There was a gentleman from Mexico named Mr. Gamez. He came to my office four times trying to find out where the Mexican identification cards were for his sister, for his mother, and for his father. He had a green card and he was legally in the country, a very nice person.
I had the opportunity to talk with him about why he so critically needed these Mexican identification cards right away. This was in April, at the time that taxes were due. He was filling out his income tax returns. He needed these cards so that he could send them to the United States Treasury in an application process for an individual taxpayer identification number. They have a little form you fill out, a blank for the type of identification. This says country/State of the issuing ID, the ID number, the expiration date.
He wanted the Mexican ID cards to get him a U.S. taxpayer identification number. He lived in the United States; but his father lived in Mexico, his mother lived in Mexico, and his sister lived in Mexico.
He said, I do not have any children, but I am helping my mother, I am helping my father, and I am helping my sister. He wanted to get the taxpayer, the U.S. taxpayer identification number using the Mexican ID number so he could claim them as dependents.
I said, well the way I look at that is what you are doing, you are taking money out of the United States at the expense of the taxpayers, because I have heard a number of workers in my area complain that those with green cards have a much bigger check than those who are natives of the United States of America and have dependents that live in their homes, if they have them, and we can readily ascertain how many dependents they have.
I noticed on the forms with the sister's name on it, with the mother's name on it, with the father's name on it, they were listed as a Rocky Mount, Virginia, address. I said, are they living here in Rocky Mount with you? Oh,
no, they are living in Mexico. But I can apply for these numbers and then I can count them as a dependent, and then there will not be any taxes withheld out of my check, and I will not have to pay any income taxes.
I said, How did you learn about all of this? He said, well, the Mexican officials were schooling me on it. He did not use the word ``schooling.'' ``Schooling'' is a parochial term used in Franklin County. It is how one gets an education on how to get yourself more money.
That is what he was doing. He wanted to get those Mexican IDs to get his U.S. taxpayer identification number so he could put their names on his 1040 form and get back a refund. I do not know how much he was making, certainly it would depend on those factors, but he would be able to claim three additional dependents in addition to himself.
He said the Mexican officials were helping him. They told him to come and see me. Maybe they just said that blanket, not me personally, but go see your Member of Congress if you need to get your ID cards. So he came to the office four times before I had the opportunity to personally meet with him.
But I questioned whether this was valid under the United States Tax Code, so I had a meeting in my office with the persons from the IRS. As I understood what they said, what he was doing is valid under the U.S. Tax Code and valid under our IRS rules and regulations. This is an example of how our money is being shifted to another country. I really wonder whether we should be encouraging situations like this. I think not.
I have heard tonight before the gentleman from Colorado (Mr. Tancredo) and the other gentleman from Colorado had their chance to speak how bad the tax cut bill was that passed.
I got to thinking, you know, what if there were not an adult sister, an adult mother, and an adult father, but it was three children. If the bill like the complaints were made had passed, even though this gentleman would have owed no U.S. income tax, did not owe any, did not pay any, we would be sending him a check in the mail if their position prevailed; a further drain on the United States Treasury, a further drain on the United States economy.
I think we need to take a close look before we buy into this argument of let us make the child tax credit refundable, because George Bush and those of us who voted for the previous tax cuts did such a good job with the current child tax credit that many of those earning between $10,000 and $26,000 are not paying any Federal income taxes. They do not owe any; they do not pay any. Therefore, they do not get a check back. It is for those who have paid Federal income taxes. If someone is making $10,000 a year and paid some Federal income tax, they can get it back under the plan we passed.
But I am just wondering how much schooling the Mexican officials are giving that talked with Mr. Gamez, and are going around the country educating, and I use that word in quotes, those with green cards to suck more money out of the United States.
I think we need to be wary of that. And that causes me much concern when the advocates say how the tax bill was not fair to those that are not getting a refund, which means a check in the mail. You did not pay any income tax, you did not owe any income tax, but we are going to send you a check anyway.
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for allowing me to tell you about this specific situation in the town of Rocky Mount, Virginia.