Mr. Speaker, we should thank the heavens that we have got such an honest person like the gentleman from Texas (Mr. DeLay). They do not make people like that anymore. The gentleman from Georgia who spoke so eloquently about the welfare bill…
Mr. Speaker, we should thank the heavens that we have got such an honest person like the gentleman from Texas (Mr. DeLay). They do not make people like that anymore.
The gentleman from Georgia who spoke so eloquently about the welfare bill that we are talking about today, and those who made these nasty, disparaging remarks and left the floor, this is honesty. This is the United States of America.
I wondered why, why would these good people, albeit Republicans, why would they drop a provision that only costs $3.5 billion that would help 12 million kids and 6.5 million working families? It is because in their minds if one is not an investor, one is on welfare.
Do we get where they are finally coming from? Have Members listened to the debate? They said refundable tax credits. That is not a tax credit. You can work every day, you can pay Social Security taxes, you can pay Medicare, you can raise your family, you can join the Army, you can fight in Iraq. But guess what, look into the Republican book and see how you are listed. As a hardworking American, as a mother and father concerned about their children, someone struggling every day to make ends meet, to pay the rent, to pay the mortgage, to pay the tuition? No. Look under welfare.
Then, of course, if we really want to find out who they think deserves tax relief, look at the hardworking people who get their dividends every day while they are at the clubhouse. Look at those that clip the coupons. These are the people, as they would say, who pay taxes; and they are the ones who get relief.
But when they said that they will never, never, never give welfare to these families, the President of the United States said, enough is enough. We got a bipartisan agreement. True, it is $10 billion. Swallow it, go home. But they said, no, no. No welfare.
Let us give them an offer that they have to refuse. For $3.5 billion, they are asking this hardworking family to pay back, for this, $82 billion. I do not know how this would work, whether the family gets $100 a year. But I do know one thing, that this deficit that they keep building on day after day, month after month, and the gentleman from Texas (Mr. DeLay) said they will be coming back, but each time they borrow money to give tax cuts to the coupon-clippers and those who get the dividends, they are asking the kids and the grandkids that we are trying to help today to pay for it. But $82 billion for $3.5 billion? That is so shameful.
Mr. Speaker, reserving the right to object, it is my understanding that the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means has the opportunity to be recognized for 1 hour debate, and I want to know whether that was included in his request, which I understand from the Parliamentarian the gentleman is entitled to, to discuss this issue.
I yield to the gentleman from California.
Mr. Speaker, I remove my reservation of objection.
Mr. Speaker, I have a parliamentary inquiry.
Mr. Speaker, could the Parliamentarian or the Speaker tell me, does the eloquent statement made by the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means mean that he did not intend to use the hour of debate that he has?
No, I made a parliamentary inquiry. I was not objecting to the previous question. I asked whether or not what the gentleman said meant that he did not intend to debate.
Mr. Speaker, I offer a motion to instruct conferees.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, I move that the managers on the part of the House in the conference on the disagreeing votes of the two Houses on the House amendment to the Senate amendment to H.R. 1308 be instructed as follows:
One, the House conferees shall be instructed to include in the conference report the provision of the Senate amendment that is not included in the House amendment that provides immediate payment to taxpayers receiving an additional credit by reason of the bill in the same manner as other taxpayers were entitled to immediate payment under the Jobs and Growth Tax Reconciliation Act of 2003.
Two, the House conferees be instructed to include in the conference report the provision of the Senate amendment, that is not included in the House amendment, that provides families of the military personnel serving in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other combat zones a child credit based on the earnings of the individuals serving in the combat zone.
Three, the House conferees be instructed to include in the conference report all of the other provisions of the Senate amendment and shall report back a conference report that includes additional tax benefits not offset by other provisions.
Four, to the maximum extent possible within the scope of the conference, the House conferees shall be instructed to include in the conference report other tax benefits for military personnel and the families of the astronauts who died in the Columbia disaster.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Maryland (Mr. Cardin), a distinguished member of the Committee on Ways and Means.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr. Frank).
Mr. Speaker, in the interests of saving time, I ask unanimous consent that H.R. 1308 and H.R. 1307, both passed by the Senate, be considered and accepted by the House, and that way we can send the bill immediately to the President and we can get out of here early, without amendment, of course.
I am sorry. I cannot hear what the Speaker is saying.
Not for unanimous consent, without objection from the chairman of the distinguished Committee on Ways and Means? He does not object.
I am correct? I can do it? What is it?
Mr. Speaker, I have a parliamentary inquiry.
Mr. Speaker, if I ask for unanimous consent and no one objects, would the Parliamentarian tell me why I cannot be recognized?
Mr. Speaker, if the gentleman from California (Mr. Thomas) does not say anything, Mr. Speaker, then there is no objection. So, I have unanimous consent until such time as he objects.
Well, could I ask unanimous consent that the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means be given an opportunity to instruct the Speaker that he has no objection to accepting the Senate bill as passed?
Well, the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means knows that we will not allow parliamentary obstacles to move this bill that the Senate has passed in a bipartisan way and that the President has supported it. Now, I know a lot of time and money has gone into building up this $82 billion, but since the distinguished chairman has said that he wants to move this bill swiftly and the initial bill only cost $3.5 billion, if we knock off the $72 billion put on the Senate bill, it would seem to me, even with a little help from the Parliamentarian, that we could expedite this bill by not instructing the conferees to do anything which the chairman already has indicated he does not intend to do but, rather, to just have it pass as is. I do not know why we cannot do this. But I will get the Parliamentarian and get together with the chairman and see what we can do to expedite this.
Meanwhile, Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from the sovereign State of California (Mr. Matsui), the distinguished senior member of the Committee on Ways and Means.
Mr. Speaker, the gentleman from California, nobody wants to dispute anything we say?
Then Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Levin), a distinguished member of the Committee on Ways and Means.
Well, just a minute. If the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Levin) needs 30 seconds in order to get a response to his question, notwithstanding the fact that the majority is not using their time, I will be glad to do it.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from California (Mr. Becerra), a member of the Committee on Ways and Means.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Doggett), a member of the Committee on Ways and Means.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Washington (Mr. McDermott), a member of the Committee on Ways and Means.
(Mr. McDERMOTT asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Tennessee (Mr. Tanner), a member of the Committee on Ways and Means.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2\1/2\ minutes to the gentleman from South Carolina (Mr. Spratt), the ranking member of the Committee on the Budget.
(Mr. SPRATT asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentlewoman from California (Ms. Watson), the distinguished former Ambassador.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, I intend to close the debate on this issue, hoping that perhaps the conferees would have an opportunity to review what has been done by the Senate and what has been done by the House, and to recognize this all started with us trying to help 6.5 million families and 12 million kids.
Why this was dropped by the majority, this provision that was in the Senate bill, I do not know. Why it was so vigorously resisted by the Republican leadership I do not know. Why they continuously referred to giving assistance to hardworking people throughout the United States and our military people as being welfare, I do not know.
Why they do not understand that a stronger America, a productive America, an increase in the purchasing power not just for those who clip coupons but for those who work every day, that have to buy clothes for their kids and pay for prescription drugs and pay rent, these are the things that really spur the economy.
It would just seem to me that somewhere we could find some type of compassion, to say we made a mistake, we left it out. And even for political reasons to be able to say, since the Senate has reached some type of bipartisan agreement, we looked it over, the President wants us to get relief out there as fast as we can; it is $6.5 billion more than we expected, but we will accept it.
What went into the thinking when people said, this is not going to happen? There are a lot of other things that are more important than that. The President can suggest, but he cannot vote. Then all of a sudden someone said, oh, no, we have to find some way politically that we can vote for it but make certain that it never sees the light of day. What can we possibly do to get a positive vote on this but to make certain that the Senate cannot accept it?
I was not privy to what happened, but one thing is clear: That other body knocked down the President's request from a tax cut for $726 billion. When they got finished with that, they knocked down the House tax cut from $550 billion to $350 billion. So it appears as though the Senate is very, very concerned about the size of the deficit.
Now, I know that that does not concern us in the House. I am glad to see the distinguished chairman of the Committee on the Budget that is here, because God knows he picked the wrong time to head the Committee on the Budget. They just threw that away. But things change, and maybe we will see better days.
But if they really wanted to find out what is it that they could do to politically irritate the Senate and to have them reverse themselves on the child credit, some demon could have whispered in their ear, Why don't you increase the deficit more? And they would say, yes, why not double it?
So we would come out in the House with a $20 billion, go to conference and adjust it, and it will be $15 billion. But then they said, but if you do that, you still would have a child credit bill. We want to make certain that when the majority leader says that it is not going to happen, it is not going to happen.
So then they said, Why not increase it to $30 billion, $40 billion, $50 billion, $80 billion? Bingo. The House will accede to the President's request and consider the legislation for giving child tax credits to working people by increasing the deficit by $82 billion. See how they like that.
See how the bleeding hearts like that? You really want to help the working families?
Well, this is what the deal is: We will give the working families a break today, but when it comes time to pay down the deficit, those kids are going to pay and they are going to pay big time. That is the decision that you are leaving to the Senate. It is shameful because I do not doubt the dedication of members of the other party. You just have a different way of looking at government. You really believe that government should be so small that we will reduce the revenue so low that we will starve each and every program that we believe in.
Some of those programs will not go away by legislation. You cannot kill Social Security by privatization. You cannot kill Medicare by vouchers. You cannot kill Medicaid by block grant. But there is one thing, whether you are a bleeding heart, a liberal, a Democrat or a moderate Republican, if the money is not there, then the leader is right, it is not going to happen. And let me tell you, every bit of taxes that we reduce here, that tax comes up somewhere. It comes up when Governors try to say, well, maybe we can fill up the gap, but politically they cannot. They have a limit on how much taxes they can raise, how much money they can borrow. And then it gets down to the cities, and, God knows, I know it. We got a good mayor, trying to do all of the things that the Congress has said in terms of homeland security, but we are closing fire departments, we are closing clinics, we are closing libraries. And while you are cutting taxes here, guess what we are doing in the great city of New York with the working people?
They are not getting welfare. They are working every day. They have got kids, but they are paying more for buses, for subways, for buying food and clothing, for day care, everything. They are paying more, including paying for Social Security and Medicare expenses.
So I know a lot of you think that these working people that we are trying to protect are welfare recipients. You do not pay taxes, you do not get tax relief. Well, they deserve some relief. They are entitled when we are giving the people back, those who pay taxes, God knows who makes America great, except those people who work every day, hoping that life will get better for them and a lot better for their kids.
And so if you want to say that that is not the Congress' responsibility, leave it to the United Jewish Appeal, leave it to Catholic Charities, leave it to the Protestants Council, but leave us out as the Federal Government. Let local and State government do it.
If you believe that, then what you do is starve the great reserves of this country. And if you cannot kill the programs legislatively, you kill them by not having the money there. So what you are saying is that one day when you accomplish your purpose, we will be paying more in interest on the trillions of dollars that we have borrowed than we will be able to pay for the programs that America has been so proud of.
Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I object to the vote on the ground that a quorum is not present and make the point of order that a quorum is not present.