Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 30 seconds. I will include at this point in the debate the supplemental views that I and my Democratic colleagues wrote on this bill which lay out our concerns about this bill's shortcomings. I think they will…
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 30 seconds.
I will include at this point in the debate the supplemental views that I and my Democratic colleagues wrote on this bill which lay out our concerns about this bill's shortcomings. I think they will be sufficient to explain why so many of us have such grave misgivings about this bill.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 minutes to the distinguished gentlewoman from Connecticut (Ms. DeLauro).
Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the distinguished gentleman from Texas (Mr. Green).
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 10 seconds.
Mr. Chairman, I simply want to say that I agree with the remarks of the gentleman from Texas, and I hope the committee will listen to what he said.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the distinguished gentlewoman from the District of Columbia (Ms. Norton).
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 4 minutes.
Mr. Chairman, this Labor, Health and Education bill is supposed to be that portion of the budget which invests in our children, which opens the door of opportunity for young people, which opens the door to the doctor's office or to the hospital for people who live life on its underside and do not have access to regular health care. It is supposed to protect the interests of workers. This bill falls far short on all fronts.
This bill does nothing to help workers, to protect workers against the efforts of employers to chisel on overtime pay. It falls billions of dollars behind the No Child Left Behind legislation in terms of meeting our obligations to support the education of our
children. It brings to a screeching halt the healthy expansion of after-school programs. It does, in so many ways, fall short of where we ought to be; and it does that because the majority, as I said earlier, has made a decision that its top legislative priority is ever more and always to provide very large tax cuts to people who are already very well off.
I really believe that there is no way to fix this bill, because this bill is the result of two past decisions. It is the result, as the gentleman from Ohio has said, it is the result of the Republican majority's passing a budget resolution which provides inadequate room for education, health, and worker-protection programs. It is also the result of the second vote which occurred on this House floor just a few weeks ago on a resolution that I offered to try to amend that budget resolution so that it would be a somewhat more progressive product that we could be proud of.
At this point, the only way that you could help this bill is to move it on to the Senate in the hopes that the Senate will provide better numbers so that in conference we can provide more resources for education, health care, and worker-protection bills that are so crucial to the welfare of this country's population.
I would say, Mr. Chairman, that there is only one way in the long term that we can fix this problem, and that is to put a different person in the White House and a different majority in the House of Representatives and the Senate. Because what is really at stake in this election, in my view, as someone said on the other side of the aisle, what is really at stake is whether or not this country is going to continue to build a social safety net for the middle class, for the broad working class of this country, or whether we are going to say, in effect, ``Sorry, but everybody is going to be on their own. You are going to rely on the luck of the draw. If life treats you happily, you will come out as one of life's winners; and if life does not treat you so happily, sorry, but you are on your own. We have no obligation to help in any significant way.''
This bill does a number of things for people, but it does not do nearly enough to meet the rising challenges that we have. And I regret very much that we are in that position, but there is not much we in the minority can do to change it except to make clear what is happening. So I urge Members to remember that as we go through the bill this afternoon.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 1 minute, and I would simply say to the gentleman the issue is not whether we should have cut taxes. Obviously, any time the economy is underperforming, it is perfectly legitimate to cut taxes over the short term. FDR invented that, and I am fully subscribed to that Keynesian approach to economics.
What I do not subscribe to is the idea that in the context of cutting taxes we have to give people who make $1 million a year a $127,000 tax cut. I think we could very well limit the size of that tax cut. That is the only tax cut that we have objected to and tried to change in order to finance this bill.
I yield to the gentleman from Florida.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 1 additional minute, and I would simply say in response that a very small portion of the people who would be affected by our amendment are small businessmen. Very small portion. The fact is that this House has to make a choice. Do we think it is essential to provide a $120,000 tax cut to people making over $1 million a year; or do we think that we ought to use some of that money to provide better opportunity for education, better health care for 45 million people that do not have it, and some additional protection for our workers in what is becoming every day a more and more brutal world market?
Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 minutes to the gentlewoman from New York (Mrs. McCarthy).
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 3 minutes.
Mr. Chairman, I would simply like to say that I react to the gentleman's numbers with a touch of humor because the argument he makes is similar to the child who kills his parents and then throws himself on the mercy of the court because he is an orphan. The fact is if you look at the historical record over the last 10 years, if the House Republican majority had had its way, we would have appropriated about $20 billion less for education over the last 10 years than the Congress wound up appropriating. The House Republicans had to be led kicking and screaming into supporting the increases which he now tries to claim credit for.
I would point out this is the same Republican majority which tried 10 years ago to abolish the Department of Education and tried to make savage cuts in education 3 years in a row before they finally got religion.
I would also point out that in President Bush's first year, it was the Democrats who led the effort to add $4 billion to the President's education budget, and I am happy to say we finally persuaded the Republican majority to agree with our request.
If the House Republicans had had their way, $3.4 billion less would have been spent on education of the poorest children in America than was actually appropriated, and 1 million low-income children would have been eliminated from the Title I program; $3.1 billion less would have been spent on the education of children with disabilities than was actually appropriated if the House Republican majority had its way; $524 million less would have been spent on safe and nurturing places for children in the after-school hours than was actually appropriated if the House Republican majority had its way; and the maximum Pell grant would have been smaller in 5 of the last 10 years than the level actually approved, again if the House Republican majority had its way.
So I guess I am willing to accept the fact that the Republicans now want to borrow the money that we succeeded in
putting into the education budget and borrow it so they can make on their own competing claims the education budget. I do not much care as long as we've got the money.
With that, Mr. Chairman, I urge Members to find every opportunity possible to support more resources in this bill for education, health care, and worker protection.
Mr. Chairman, I yield the balance of my time to the gentleman from Maryland (Mr. Hoyer), the distinguished minority whip.
(Mr. HOYER asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Chairman, will the gentlewoman yield?
Mr. Chairman, we also would be happy to accept it on this side of the aisle. It is a good amendment.
Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. Chairman, let me simply say the gentleman is absolutely right. This is a program that was begun by Secretary Shalala, who recognized that it is not enough to provide money to health centers if we do not also provide a thoughtful way to coordinate programs and services. This is what makes some of these efforts workable, and I think it is a disgrace that at a time when we have seen the number of uninsured increase from 40 to 45 million people, that we are eliminating a program that is crucial to providing service in more than 20 communities around the country.
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
Mr. Chairman, I must also reluctantly oppose the amendment, because I think it has an unintended effect. The amendment, as I read it, would actually result in a small across-the-board reduction in funding for virtually all public health agency programs, including the National Institutes of Health. I do not think that is what we want to do.
Secondly, I would point out the gentlewoman has made quite clear in her remarks that she is attempting to add funding for a specific disease. In all of the years this subcommittee has funded the National Institutes of Health, it has never dictated to the National Institutes exactly how much money they should spend on any specific disease, and I do not think we ought to start now.
So I reluctantly would have to oppose the amendment and say that what we really need is an overall increase in funding for NIH so that we can attack lupus and dozens of other diseases that are causing great pain and suffering to people around the world.
Mr. Chairman, will the gentlewoman yield?
Mr. Chairman, I want to say I am sure it is not the intention of the gentlewoman from Texas to fund this amendment by providing for an actual reduction in NIH, but the way she has drawn the amendment, it has that effect. I understand that is not her intention, but that is the effect of the amendment as written.
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the requisite number of words.
Mr. Chairman, I want to say that I absolutely agree with the gentleman who just spoke, and I congratulate him for the comments that he made. Everyone who has looked with any care whatsoever at this issue understands that there are massive ethical considerations surrounding this question. We need to try to work our way through those ethical considerations in a way that will bring people together on some very fundamental questions, rather
than pulling them apart. I think the gentleman has pointed to one way that can be done.
I would caution those in this society who think that we can somehow stop science from engaging in the kind of research just discussed by the gentleman from California, I would caution those who feel that we can stop that kind of research. We cannot. That kind of research will go forward. The only question is whether it will go forward in the United States or whether it will be somewhere else, and whether or not it will go forward under the auspices of the National Institutes of Health with all of the ethical considerations that they try to bring to bear on this issue, or whether it will be conducted by scientific teams that are not quite so careful about the ethical considerations involved.
I think that the gentleman from California has pointed out how we could move people forward on this issue in a way which is not destructive of anyone's ethical values. We need to start recognizing that we are dealing with real situations, real human beings; and humanity is not going to allow politicians to get in the way of attacking some of the medical problems that have been discussed by the gentleman from Rhode Island or by the gentleman from California; and I congratulate both of them for raising the issue this afternoon.
Amendment Offered by Ms. Jackson-Lee of Texas
Mr. Chairman, I reserve a point of order against the amendment. We do not have a copy.
Mr. Chairman, I withdraw my reservation, and I move to strike the requisite number of words.
Mr. Chairman, I would simply say that I would appreciate it if Members have amendments to offer that they at least provide each side of the committee with a copy of the amendment. I think it is a disservice to the House when amendments are sprung on the committee and we have no opportunity to review them. If we are shown them ahead of time, we can help Members draft them correctly so that they are in order.
So it seems to me it is in the interests of both people who offer these amendments and it is in the interests of the House for Members who are planning to offer amendments to provide us copies. It would seem to me a simple matter of common courtesy.
Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment to the amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I certainly have no objection to the gentleman's efforts to provide funding for the block grant program. I think we ought to do that, but I offer this amendment to illustrate that the budget resolution adopted by the majority has put this committee in a position where each time a Member of either the majority or minority party tries to save a deserving program, they are forced to gouge another deserving program in order to pay for it.
Yet at the same time, that same budget resolution made it possible for the government to provide every person in this country who makes $1 million or more a year with a $127,000 tax cut this year. What this amendment points out is that if we simply reduce that $127,000 tax cut for millionaires by $125, so they would be stuck with a whole $125 less than $127,000, if we did that, we would not have to cut into the Even Start program.
I am not the sponsor of the Even Start program. The sponsor of the Even Start program was a former Republican Member of this House who was a Republican chairman of the Education and Labor Committee, Bill Goodling. I do not think we ought to be going after that program in order to do what the gentleman wants to do. So I am offering this amendment simply to illustrate that there are other ways to deal with this problem that are much more socially just and economically sensible.
I do not see why we ought to be cutting into funding which helps families of disadvantaged children learn to read and write. I do not see why we should be cutting into that program in order to fund the other block grant program. But this is the kind of robbing-Peter-to- pay-Paul situation that we have been backed into by the majority and by the White House.
Mr. Chairman, I offer this amendment in the hopes that the majority will not strike it on a point of order, because I think this is a much more civilized way to deal with what the gentleman is trying to do.
Point of Order
Yes, I do, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Chairman, the gentleman seeks to strike this amendment on a point of order. I would point out that the purpose of the Budget Act is to force Congress to make choices, to choose between priorities in the process of putting together a comprehensive budget. What the majority has done by the way it has used budget resolutions and the process of reconciliation is, instead, to fragment the budget process so that the Congress never gets to deal with the trade-offs between revenues and expenditures. That, I think, is a fundamental corruption of the original intention of the Budget Act.
I wish that the majority party had not determined to walk down this road, but they have; and under the approach that they have established in the House, I must concede the point of order, but it is too bad because it means that we are going to be gouging one good Republican program in order to pay for one good national program.
Mr. Chairman, I also reserve a point of order.
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the requisite number of words.
I yield to the gentleman from California.
I yield to the gentleman from Ohio.
Mr. Chairman, reclaiming my time, I thank the gentleman from California, and I fully agree with his statement.
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
Mr. Chairman, there are now more than 8 million people out of work in this country; 3 million have been out of work for so long they have exhausted their unemployment compensation benefits. We have more than 1.5 million fewer private sector jobs than we had 4 years ago, and the administration's response to that has been to impose new regulations allowing employers to chisel workers on overtime protection, despite the fact that cost of living has risen twice as much this year as last year, despite the fact that gas prices, college tuition, and health care costs are going through the roof.
I had planned at this point to offer an amendment with the gentleman from California (Mr. George Miller) which would block most of the sections of that new rule with one exception: We would have allowed the changes to go forward that improve the situation for workers that make between $8,000 and $23,000 a year. But now I have been told that if I intend to offer that amendment tonight, the majority will shut down the House for the evening.
The record will show that the minority on every single appropriation bill has cooperated procedurally with the majority, even when we have not agreed with the content of those bills, in the interest of comity in the hopes that somehow we could reach compromise and accommodation as we move through the process.
In spite of that cooperation, the majority by the end of this fiscal year will only be able to show that they have passed 1 and possibly 2 of the 13 appropriation bills. I want it made clear that the reason for that miserable record is because of the rigidity of the majority and because of their refusal to work with the minority or even other members of the majority in the other body. This is part of a long pattern of procedural abuse.
On prescription drugs, the majority held the vote open for 3 hours when they did not get the result they wanted. On the PATRIOT Act, the Sanders amendment was held open for 40 minutes until enough arms could be broken on the majority side. On vouchers on the D.C. bill, the roll was held open for 50 minutes until the majority could achieve a different result. On campaign finance, the House was kept at bay for 2 hours before the majority moved ahead.
I would simply make this point, Mr. Chairman. The majority is busy trying to bring the nicer points of democracy to Iraq. It would be nice if they would recognize those same niceties here at home.
I want to make one further point. People are asking me, why are you cooperating procedurally on bringing the Labor, Health, Education bill to the floor when you are so opposed to its contents? Well, there are two reasons. First of all, because we believe on the minority side that these issues ought to be debated even if we do not win. Secondly, very frankly, I want the record to show in the end that even though the minority has given the majority every single procedural cooperation that we could, that the majority has still not been able to perform because of its own rigidity and because they refuse to work with anybody, because they refuse to compromise with anybody.
It is outrageous after we have been asked for so long to bring this bill to the floor, they now want to pull the bill so they have another chance to twist arms overnight.
Do you really want to put workers in so much of a corner that you will not even allow us to have a vote on this overtime provision? We already won this vote once in the House, we won it once in the Senate, and yet the majority leadership arbitrarily stripped it out of the bill last year. Now you are trying to play the same game this time. I hope that every majority Member who intends to vote for this amendment tomorrow, if the House comes back into session on this bill, I hope you will stick with your conscience overnight and not cave in to pressure by tomorrow morning.
Mr. Chairman, I demand a recorded vote.